SunCube Fiasco

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:51 AM

The man is a GENIUS...just look at what else he has invented!
Wait for it....A ROTARY OVERUNITY DEVICE
Well I guess a 100% efficient starlight powered Suncube would be a walk in the park after that!


Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:15:26 +0930
From: Greg Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [e-mail], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple Rotary Ou Device

Hi All,

Just a short note to try to answer those questions I can.


1) There is NO outside power source.

2) The device contains only ceramic magnet and
ferromagnetic materials (some balsa, a few
bearings and some plactic "U" channel as well).

3) The device produces rotary torque. Can be
stopped with very little pressure from two
fingers on a steel 4mm shaft.

4) The device has been moved to the middle of
my lounge and my back garden. It still works.

5) The device will not auto start. However the
energy necessary to start is only that required
to overcome friction.

6) I don't think the device is worthy of a Nobel
or my picture on Business Week. I know of several
other devices (Finstrud, Gary, Kawai,Bob Shannon's
Barkenhausen Effect Battery and many US patents)
which show magnetic devices can do work. For
some strange reason, we seem to "Not want to
believe" or maybe just want to believe in our
own area of research as the "One true path".

7) I have posted enough details and ideas for
those of you who REALLY want to duplicate the
device to do so. Read my postings.

8) Much work still remains to be able to light
a 1 watt bulb. When I can do that, I will make
available through Stephan's and Bill's OU web
sites a Mpeg of the device working. If I can't
light a bulb, it will still make a nice toy and
maybe a starting place for someone else.

9) The magnets don't appear to be getting weaker
or colder, but then I am not generating much
power yet.

10) I still call the effect DNMEC (Direct Nuclear
Magnetic Energy Conversion). Like my flux gate
DNMEC effect, both these effects revolve around
ferromagnetic and magnet interactions. I believe
the Kawai motor is another variation of the DNMEC
effect (like the Rod & Coil we discussed earlier).

Come on guys (and gals), start thinking outside
of the square. There is always more than one way
to crack eggs.

Stop talking .............. BUILD SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!

--
Best Regards    Greg Watson Consulting    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson    Adelaide, S. Australia    61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax

Crack Eggs?
I think it's his brain that's cracked....will the fun never end!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:06 AM

But wait...there's more...
I can hardly believe my eyes........
Please...stop it Greg....my ribs are hurting!!!


>> To tell you the truth our first 100 MWs or so of SunCubes will be
> installed in solar farms with high security fencing and 24 / 7
> security guards. So even then there will be no units available for
> public viewing.
>>
>> Do you realize what a solar technology that can generate kWhs at
> fossil fuel prices is worth (Trillions of $$) and how many will do
> anything to steal the IP. Not one 3J CPV manufacturer sells units to
> the public. Guess why? Well maybe one (Practical Instruments) but
> what they have is nothing special and their $ / kWh are still well
> above fossil wholesale.
>>
>> So my refusal to go public is just solid business practice
> designed to protect GGE IP against those who have sworn to steal it
> and put GGE out of business.
>>
>> Soon you will be able to buy SunCubes in our solar farms well
> before you can get them on your roof. BTW once our solar farms are
> up and running we will lobby governments worldwide to discontinue
> their rebate and feed-in tariff programs as they are they a waste of
> tax payer money. Sure this will destroy the flat panel industry but
> they have lived on tax payer handouts for far too long.
>>
>> Greg
>>

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:48 AM

Hi,


I cracked a rib last night laughing my ass off.





H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 09:41 AM

Ok - we have a lot of physicists on this list - what is the energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight? How many orders of magnitude?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:39 PM

Hi Greg
I'm here to help you, really I am.
How about you save the cost of the 24/7 security guards (lethal force mandatory) and simply take out a patent on your amazing breakthrough technology.
I am prepared to invest my life savings in your marvelous solar farm.
Just to satisfy my accountant's curiosity...could you please provide costing details again of your "below fossil generated Kwhs".
Please include the development cost of the proposed Megawatt static inverter as I am unable to find any of those on Ebay.
Please explain again why your "Toytown Style" solar farm is superior to other well funded and proven solar technologies and in particular solar thermal. The solar thermal plants of course are able to store the heat generated, meaning that they can generate power at night and do not require your amazing "cloud predictive technology"
Hope you are well and not working too hard at saving the planet all by yourself.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 01:24 AM

energy flux density of starlight Vs Sunlight seems to suggest approx 4 orders of magnitude, it seems to me - that's about 10,000 relative times... or have I made an error somewhere - this is on this page

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 07:36 PM

Quote from Greg
Hi Andy,

The SunBall's electronics needs VERY little power to operate. Even street
light and moon light will drive the electronics. The drive motors need some
light to move the SunBall. On a clear morning there is more than enough
power even 30 minutes before dawn. The motors only need a fraction of a watt
to drive the SunBall so if there is light the SunBall can move.

I don't think we'll be seeing Greg back here...he prefers groups with a lower collective intelligence.
That is why he did so well with his OverUnity tosh...those groups mainly attract the tinfoil hat brigade.
The solar scam was a good plan also...lots of good folks really do want to do something good to save energy and if you don't have a technical background it is easy to fall for the hype.

The way the law works in Australia it is quite possible he can carry on like this for a while longer.
Immoral....yes
Unethical....yes
SLEAZY....yes
but illegal?....possibly not

Here is a classic bullshit from his own sunball forum (now closed)

Hi All,

Green and Gold Energy (GGE) have signed a Letter of Intent with the owners
of the Modbury Triangle Shopping Centre (MTSC), Modbury, South Australia,
Australia to install at least 750kW peak, 2GWH annually of SunBalls.

This will, to our knowledge, make the MTSC, the first solar powered shopping
centre in Australia.

This will be enough SunBalls to effectively take the MTSC off the grid and
have a significant effect on the local distribution companies (ETSA) peak
network demand. The long term cost of the SunBall generated kWh is
significantly below the lowest peak price the directors of the MTSC could
obtain from local electricity retailers and will represent a significant
saving on electricity expenditure.

GGE and the MTSC directors will also investigate the avoided network cost
advantaged available to ETSA due to a lowered peak hot summer afternoon
network demand.

The directors of the MTSC will investigate installing a SunBall viewing and
data information facility so interested shoppers can view how the
electricity that is powering the MTSC and the lights above their heads is
being beamed from the sun, captured and converted into electricity that very
second.

Installation is expected to occur in the 3 qtr of 2006 and will be done via
GGE retail partner Gene Solar Electric P/L with the cooperation and
involvement of other local Adelaide solar dealers.

Additional commercial buildings controlled by the owners and adjacent to the
MTSC may also be converted to SunBall power potentially taking the total
group installation to about 1.3MW.

More details of this exciting and Australian first project are available in
the news section of the GGE web site.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball


Hi JR & Rick (copy sent to SunBall group),

From my research electricity costs (inc tax) in New Mexico about $0.09 /
kWh. As a 4 SunBall system would generate about 3,050kWh annually in New
Mexico that is an annual saving of say $275. Then in add in the New Mexico
Renewable Energy Certificates (Green Tags?) which are geared up 3 to 1 per
solar kWh (in New Mexico) or about $60/MWh based on a Green Tag price of
$20/MWh. This generates an additional annual income of about $185 giving us
an annual income / expenditure reduction of:

$275 - Reduced electricity bill
$185 - Green Tag sales income
-----
$460 annual advantage.

Then if we achieve our target $5,250 for a 4 SunBall installed system you
would get a payback period of 11.4 years without any rebates. Of course any
rebates and/or increased electricity costs would further lower the payback
period.

If your electricity suppliers offers net metering and a Time of Use tariff
with a peak period which matches the SunBall generation profile, you will
further benefit as you can sell SunBall generated kWhs during higher prices
peak periods and buy back much lower priced kWhs during shoulder and off
peak periods.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Hi Andy and all the other past and future demo site responders,

I have noted your responses and when the time gets closer I will get in
contact with out.

What I will arrange to install is a single SunBall with a wireless
monitoring electronics package (no AC grid connect) which will link back to
our web site with a 5 minute live updated data feed and sky point picture.

All demo sites will be offered a 4 SunBall AC grid connect system for 25%
off normal retail in return for the use of their home / business. This offer
can be taken up anytime in the 12 months following the official US SunBall
launch. The demo / monitoring SunBall will then be converted into AC grid
connect (one of the 4 units on offer) with the wireless monitoring
capability retained for the life of the SunBall.

Basically you will get the monitoring SunBall unit for nothing provided you
agree to the continual monitoring.

All the best,
Greg Watson
Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
[phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Online SunBall discussion group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sunball

Did it ever happen?
No .....of course not!!!!!

Sigh

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 02:49 AM

Hi all,



Watson has moved into the Yahoo SunGrid Group like a parasite in search of lessor humans(sorry but they are dumb).

Thw Watson Parasite does great harm to the solar industry in Australia whilst lessor humans entertain such a parasite.


H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 03:51 AM

Hi,


RE: Energy flux density

Interesting and I would tend to agree however remember ones relative position being Earth/Space and your terms of reference were sunlight and starlight.

More intersting would be to determine why matter in our universe wants to move by itself, versus being moved for a long time by the unusual universal forces in space. ?



H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

"why matter in our universe wants to move by itself"

You've got that back-asswards - once moving, it doesn't want to stop, unless energy external to itlsef is apppled and absorbed.

Regarding installation of PV units on roofs of shopping centres, as described - such activities are for real in some parts of the world.


"ones relative position being Earth/Space"

I have no clue what you are talking about, and I suspect you don't either...

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 08:32 PM

Er Hlper...he won't find any lessor (or even lesser) humans here!
Mudcatters are way nicer and smarter than most.

Anyhow, back to Keef's tireless crusade against Greg The Scammer.
Here is a snippet of his latest words of wisdom
(from a contributor)
Hi Greg,

One thing that might help you in the future in your efforts to put a
Suncube solar farm in a remote part of South Australia is the fact that
potentially vast amounts of geothermal energy are also in this part of
South Australia also which will need power lines to get its output to where
it is needed. But then the potential geothermal energy will probably dwarf
what can be generated by solar energy and the geothermal energy will be
available non-stop. But the potential geothermal energy is going to take a
while to be exploited. I predictably haven't noticed any effort by John
Howard to do anything about this.
..................................
And here is how Greg spins this his way
.................................
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Tue Jul 3, 2007 5:34 pm (PST)
Hi Bill,

There are 120,000 TWs of energy available from the sun on the surface of the
planet. We humans currently use 13 TWs or 0.01% of what is available. Sorry
mate but solar totally stomps on geothermal availability (you are reading
too may of their investment IMs) and we can deliver at a fraction of the
cost that they can and we can build plants just about anywhere there is good
sun. Which are a LOT more places than there are hot rocks, which cool down
over time.
...........................................

That is of course..utter crap
The source of heat within the hot rocks is actually very low level radioactive decay in the granite rocks. The heat source is virtualy inexhaustible. The main obstacle is provision of a high power transmission line to the source.

However Greg still thinks his "Noddy in Toytown" Sunpubes plan is much
better.

As I always say....
What an idiot!
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 08:26 PM

Well...have a look at what the "investors" get for their money
Sundog!

That is a VERY appropriate mascot.
The suncube IS a dog!

Pity about the investors though. They can't sell suncubes (much too secret).
What they have to do instead is find enough mugs to put up another few billion dollars to build the lunatic solar farms which will of course need to be guarded round the clock in case anyone steals the secrets!!!

I think it's Greg that has had too much sunshine.
He's gone troppo!!!

"never give a sucker an even break" W. C. Fields.

"Give me all your money" Greg Watson

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:19 AM

Hi all,


To this very day Watson still maintains his claims of solar farms and rooftop designs, with no real and material evidence to back his claims except "mock ups" of the apparent SunCube.

He has made many claims that have not happened along with many timelines that have passed.He and GGE have made the claims and made them public, notwithsatnding any claims of privacy and IP protection,as there is no IP to protect.

The solarfarm scale of 3x3 suncubes would fail even if it were real.
New and real CPV is coming which has real solar farm trackers which are large.

There are several other organisations in Australia from Qld that with NSW are looking at importing such CPV technology very soon.




H.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:07 PM

Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof

Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin

Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm

Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM

Do it yourself scam guide
Just follow these simple instructions!


Scamming for Dummies

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 07:16 PM

From the sungrid forum....

Banned
I have banned Keef for a week. I am not messding around, NO personal attacks. Chris


Meanwhile Greg the Scammer is free to spout his bullshit and attempt to suck in more idiots.

Good luck with that Greg

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hlper
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:06 AM

Hi Keef,


Be careful of Watson's "replicated energy release" and ambient heat creating kinetic energy and pushing along a steel ball.

It is a shame so many people lack basic education in physics.

Fancy all that BS by Watson to explain the simple fact that the extra energy came from the potential energy associated with the magnetic fields of the two magnets that were already placed;as soon as the steel ball was then placed the potential energy was absorbed in pushing the ball.

Electrons most always orbit in atoms whether in metals like Iron or non-metals,unless in extreme situations.Room temp and thermal energy are associated with atomic vibrations right down to absolute zero where Bose-Einstein determined that another state of matter exists and all atoms clump together and vibrate in harmony(0 deg.Kelvin).
In space temp.is around 4 deg. Kelvin due to background radiation.

H.=Hawking

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 11:38 PM

Hi Hlper
Yes I know that part is all bullshit, and I don't claim to be a rocket surgeon like Greg.
He has now totally corrupted the Sungrid group and you and I are no longer welcome!
Personally I haven't lost anything except a lot of time over this.
He has annoyed me sufficiently that I will not be happy until I see him get the kind of publicity that he so richly deserves.
I'll keep plugging away and I will fix him properly soon enough.
Have you noticed that the famous Emcore letter has totally gone from his website?
Even the more discrete link that he gave above http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/EmcoreGGE.pdf
does not work any more.
Here is an appeal to everyone reading this thread....please spread the word....copy and paste all you like and lets give this scammer all the publicity he craves.
The filthy hypocrit keeps banging on about CO2 and how he alone can save the world...aaaargh.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 06:52 AM

Keef

What do you really want, apart from your battle against GGE?

If it is a working CPV-system,whether for privat or industrial use,
we might be able to help you in the near future.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 10:24 PM

Hi Mr Enterwent
What I realy wanted was exactly what Mr Watson was promising.
A solar system that for a price of about $1500 would give me 600 Kwhours per year. On the promise of that I foolishly bought a small electric fridge (rated at 300 Kwhours per year). I also bought a 100 Watt "flattie" (as Watson scornfully calls them), a chinese wind generator (don't bother..not much good) and a cheap generator to be going along with until my wonderful Suncube arrived.
Along with the other 4000 prospective customers I have recieved no explanation or apology for the about face.
This annoyed me somewhat and therefore I started doing some research.
It is quite obvious that the Suncube could never have done what it was claimed to do. For myself I could easily make do with a ground mounted unit. For the average customer, a roof mounted system is preferred, however the Suncube would have been a near impossibility to roof mount.
The other thing that I want is to expose Mr Watson for what he really is and to help prevent more people being hurt by his actions.
Those who have paid money for production or distribution rights have no chance of getting their money back.
The Suncube will never be available for retail sale.
The solar farms are an impossibility, even allowing for Watson's distorted costings ($600 per suncube total budget for the complete solar farm!).
If you do have a cpv system coming up that will do even half of what the sunpube was claimed to do then I'll buy one for sure.
I'll also be happy to tell the world how well it works.
BTW I used to tell everone how great the Sunball was going to be...sigh
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 03:20 AM

Hi Keef,

thanks for your reaction.

We are realy trying to develop a small solarfam with an cpv -system,
almost ready for commercial use, as a pilotproject.

I'll keep in touch, wenn we are ready for it.

Please give me direct email-connection. I do not want to hang all information out of the window. Mine you can use is: [e-mail]

enertwent

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 11:08 PM

Thanks Mr Enert?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:23 AM

Mr. Keef,

now it is twice you did not take the notice to spell even our company-name correct. Why not? Not realy interested? Then please tell us. Do you think we are as folish as other people you were connected too in the past?
Maybey you are already influenced too much!
We thought
1e. helping you this way,getting a good contact in AU, with the possibility getting an alternative for a good on grid unit too, and telling people down under what there is really available.
2e. Get a good contact, but for now, we are not sure anymore, looking at your reaction until now.

So if you are really interested, re-read the messages and let us know what and if you really want the contact.. We are an EU-Company, interested in the AU-market, but only in the serious way and we thought you might be a possible key to it. Sorry if we are wrong with it.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 11:38 PM

I can understand Keef's cynicism - why no web address, why no domain, just an AOL email addy?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:55 PM

Hello Enertwent
Sorry if I spelled your name incorrectly...it is much harder to spell than Keef is!
Please don't read any offence into that, I am genuine and I would be genuinely interested in obtaining a system.
I am away from home at the moment and having a few hassles using public computers.
My usual residence is NSW North coast.
I am intending to leave on a 6 month holiday shortly, going to UK and Ireland to pursue my musical ambitions and to drink heaps of Guiness and Murphys stout.
Since you are in EU I could easily make contact with you. (I hold Australian and EU passports).
I am very interested in any business or employment opportunities in the solar area.
I am qualified in electronics and salesmanship and have run my own business.
I won't give out my email on a public forum but you can send me a message via Mudcat private message...just join up then we can get in touch.
Regards
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 09:10 PM

Hello Mr Enertwent
I have sent an email to your AOL address
Please be in touch.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Enertwent
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 04:52 AM

Good morning Mr. Keef

Your plan sounds good.

I like the Idea travelling around.

If possible we can arrange a meeting during your stay in Europe.

I just confirmed the emailaddres.

I'll keep in touch with you trough that address.

Enertwent.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 03:09 AM

Hello again folks (and Greg)
I've been busy having a life and trying to ignore the Suncube lunacy.
However, the latest installment is just too good to keep to myself.
If you go to
Suncube Fantasy
You will see that Greg is claiming to have ordered 120 Mwatts of solar cells for use in his Suncubes. This would be sufficient to produce 400,000 Suncubes at a price of ($1500 each as stated previously) making a total of 600 million dollars! Not bad for an unregistered small trader.
But wait there's more!
The photograph shows his "test area" which is the roof of his shed.
Bit late for the testing Greg...you've allready committed to building 400,000.
Anyway the photograph nicely demonstrates the stupidity of his plan.
We see a row of poles about 2 metres apart aligned East West.
Because the photocells are connected in series in each Suncube, even a partial shadow will cause the output to drop to zero.
I'd love to see what happens in the early morning and late afternoon,
the tracking mechanism will be going beserk! Should look like a row of clowns at Luna park.
This is all good stuff but still not as good as the latest on Greg's very own bullshit bulletin.
He has been invited to USA to advise Al Gore.
He has meet up with the Prince of Saudi Arabia??
And now this classic

Here you go....quote
(sorry if it's a big mess but Greg can't be bothered to edit)
SunCube Solar Appliance
Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)
1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1e. China From: Bernie Meyer
1f. Re: China From: Greg Watson
1g. Re: China From: Bernie Meyer
1h. Re: China From: Greg Watson
2a. transport costs From: Dave Kimble
2b. Re: transport costs From: Greg Watson
2c. Re: transport costs From: Dave Kimble
View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages
1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" [e-mail]   cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:18 am (PST)
Greg,

excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories
IEC certification
Producing in China
Changing Direction a million times
setting up of demo site

So where is the business plan?

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these agreements?

Is everyone just a doormat?

Cello



Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words


From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market didn't buy it.

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1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:42 am (PST)
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.

Cello

## Greg

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
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To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" [e-mail]   cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:07 am (PST)
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
knows.
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1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:49 am (PST)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
## In progress both in Australia and China. The Adelaide cell assy facility
wil product over 300 MWs per year of cell assemblies using robotics. The
required dirt / dust free room is almost finished. Photos in a few days.

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using
inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
## You missed 100% Australian owned and operated facility. How do you come
up with inferior parts? Trying to downgrade the product are we? Another
agenda do we have do we? We and our cell supplier do offer a silicon flat
panel equivalent warranty. Please tell me of another CPV supplier who can /
will match that.

## Inferior parts? Cheap shot I suggest.

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game
of snakes and ladders.
## Incorrect. We initiated licenses worldwide and are now giving them what
they need to get rapid traction. As for twists and turns do you really
expect us to reveal on a public forum where we are really going? I'm sure
you know of what I speak.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully
you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
## There will be a copy on the web site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with
investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these
twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid
business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a
tool to obtain finance.
## With respect there have been very few deviations. Our thrust is very
simple. Solar farms that deliver fossil fuel competitive kWhs with matching
retain distribution. Rooftop solar that doesn't need rebates to deliver cost
effective solar kWhs. You somehow think these goals are somehow easy? Just
snap your finger and they happen? There is no one even remotely close. No
one.
## The only deviation was to back away from direct retail sales. If you are
a long time "Cubie" then you know our first market thrust was distribution
and not direct retain. We were blocked in that effort by flat panel
distributors and pulled back to direct sales. In actuality we have now gone
back to where we were when we started. We make it and they distribute it. We
have a product that will very significantly dent existing flat anel sales.
Don't think marketing a very distuptive product is simple or follows
conventional marketing rules.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
## Well those that are, are very pleased. Our Indian, Israel, Spanish,
Korean, Japanese, US, Australian and Middle East / North Africian parteners
have all visited in the last 4 weeks. The 105 MWs of cells we ordered are
taken and we are proceeding to order another 200 MWs. We may even build a
cell fab plant in Adelaide.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
## Meding what fences? We are moving rapidly to open retail distribution
channels worldwide. If you expect installation rebates then go to the
silicon guys. If you want the lowest $ / kWh them buy SunCubes. Your choice.

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:

Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1e. China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" [e-mail]   a1j7g3
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:30 pm (PST)
You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1f. Re: China
Posted by: "Greg Watson" [e-mail]   greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:40 pm (PST)
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China

You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below

Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.

Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?

Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.

We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability

Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.

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1g. Re: China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" [e-mail]   a1j7g3
Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:35 am (PST)
Hi Greg,

It's great the facility is 100% Australian, but sad it had to come to that. It would have been nice if Australian labour could have been used in Australia, but there are probably lots of good viable reasons to manufacture off shore - and quantity is most likely a major factor.

Bernie

Greg Watson wrote:
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China


You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.

Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.

The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.

Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below
Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

Greg,

Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;

Changing factories

## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?

IEC certification

## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.


Producing in China

## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?

Changing Direction a million times

## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.

Setting up of demo site

## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.

So where is the business plan?

## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.

What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?

## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.

Is everyone just a doormat?

## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?

Cello

## Greg
*** Cello

Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,

As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?

If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.

Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.

Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words

What about a retraction or correction? Sur

Subject: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Keef
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 03:11 PM

Wanna buy the Harbour Bridge?
Well this man goes one better!
Suncube ripoff

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:08 PM

There was a thread on this a while back. Is this gonna be SSDD?

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:12 PM

Keef -- didn't you already have a long thread about this, with counterpoint from the accused?


'S up wid dat, man?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 04:41 AM

How much you charging for the Harbour Bridge?
Does it include shipping?
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: jeffp
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 09:02 AM

Here is the original thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Grab
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 01:14 PM

Here comes the new toss,
Same as the old toss...

Subject: RE: BS: Solar Scammer down under
From: Keef
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 03:41 PM

Sorry folks...should have just carried on with the old thread.
Naked grab for publicity in an attempt to put an end to the scam.
(mudcat gets up on Google much quicker than the SunGrid thread ever does)
Can I have this thread tacked on to Suncube Fiasco pretty please.
BTW I found waybackmachine
A fantastically useful place to go.

Love to all
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 02:21 AM

Well the story continues

update on the sorry suncube saga

Follow thread forward or back for a ripping yarn!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:14 AM

It took a long while but I FINALLY got their attention!!

Gigantic Solar Scam Down Under

The power of Mudcat!!!

Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 02:04 AM

Ballad of Greg Watson
Lyric update

The Ballad of Greg Watson       8-Aug-08 06:59 pm   
Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof

Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin

Like....Proof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm

Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HARRRR!

Well Greg he's building factries
In Indya and Korea
But Keef he said
Hey Greg..just cut the crap
And get on out of here
Your proposals are preposterous
Your aim is very clear
So take your stupid Suncubes
And insert them in your rear!

Segue
Know when to hold em
Know when to fold em!

Pssst
Wanna buy the entire GGE operation
Zolar pulled out of the deal,
couldn't afford the three dollars!


Oh Lordy, where to start?

Mebbe try here


http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_E/threadview?m=tm&bn=6046&tid=33914&mid=33914&tof=1&rt=2&frt=2&off=
Or here>


http://www.citronresearch.com/index.php/2008/03/25/citron-research-updates-emcore-nasdaqemkr/

Will the fun never end?

Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 10 Aug 08 - 02:25 AM

But wait.....there's more

http://www.citronresearch.com/index.php?s=emcore&submit=Search

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,hoff
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:56 AM

I was intrigued with the suncube concept, but would like to ask a question of greg,(since you do not return my emails) The claim is that 5 or 6 cubes will supply power to an average home. Excuse my ignorance, however if the typical american home uses 25 kw per day, how is it that 5 500 watt cubes will supply enough power?

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 25 Oct 08 - 10:17 PM

I think that Greg has finally realised he can't win.
I have had some interesting conversations with him on this board and many others.
I still don't have my "summonds from his legal council"
To catch up on his most recent outpourings of pseudoscience click here
Watson's whoppers

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,hoff
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 05:32 PM

Keef... interesting blog talk with Greg. I was about to order a container of suncubes from his company, however after many unreplied requests for more info, I decided to dig a little deeper. Thats when I came across your conversations. WOW, what a fucking mistake that would have been.... Our company has a factory, in which we would like to produce low cost solar for many of the poor here in the Caribbean. Any help you can offer will be appreciated. Hoff

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:07 AM

Hi Hoff
Yes the suncube by the containerload did sound good.
My friend Brian thought so and had the following exchange with Watson

        
Attn General Manager GGE

Dear Sir
          I represent a community wind power project based in North Yorkshire UK. We have the funding and land available to create a wind farm but we have unfortunately run into some opposition because of the visual impact and possible noise problems. I have been following the progress of the Sunball/ Suncube since watching a television program which showed how the device works. We are in an area of Yorkshire which enjoys more sunshine year round than almost any other part of the UK.
We are interested in setting up a trial solar farm utilising your Suncubes. There is some urgency with this matter because since the proposed wind farm can not proceed, we may in fact lose the funding and grants that we have allocated for the project.
I have visited your website and noticed that you do have a limited number of Suncubes available for immediate delivery.
Could you please provide more details on the cost per unit, and advise what is the earliest date that you will be able to ship the products.
Regards
Brian Edwards
North Yorkshire Power Cooperative


        
Reply
        
        
        from        Greg Watson
reply-to        Greg Watson ,
to        Brian Edwards ,
date        Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:27 PM
subject        Re: proposed solar farm UK
        
hide details 8:27 PM (11 hours ago)
        
        
Reply
        
        
Hi Brian,

GGE are now taking orders for and shipping bulk SunCubes at the lowest $ /
Watt PV cost on the planet. Such is the power of CPV. Here is what we quote:
===================

Thanks for the enquiry about bulk SunCube pricing and availability. You
should note that GGE will not sell / deliver SunCubes to any country
assigned to GGE's SCIG licenses.

Bulk SunCube prices are:

1) US$1,050 each for 200 SunCubes
2) US$990 each for 1,000 SunCubes
3) US$950 each for 2,000 SunCubes and greater

Prices are FOB our factory in Glynde. Payment terms are via LC (irrevocable
at sight) via TT (40% with order and 60% on shipment).

Limited warranty is 5 years on parts and workmanship with a CPV receiver
manufacturers warranty on degraded output of max 20% loss after 20 years.

Shipment for the first 200 SunCubes is 60 day after receipt of order and
payment. For orders of greater than 200 SunCubes we will advise the shipping
schedule in lots of 200 SunCubes. SunCube shipping can be scheduled over a
max of 3 months, if so desired, as long as the min is 200 SunCubes per
shipment.

As each SunCube is equivalent to 500 Watts of fixed flat panels, in terms of
annual kWhs produced, these prices are world best and rate the SunCube as
the lowest cost producer of solar kWhs that can be bought today. US$1.90 per
flat panel effective Watt. No other solar technology that you can buy today
can come close. Don't forget the SunCube INCLUDES a smart 2 axis tracker
that minimizes cleaning and storm damage by stowing with the lenses facing
down overnight.

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au



        from        Brian Edwards
to        Greg Watson ,
date        Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:10 AM
subject        Re: proposed solar farm UK
mailed-by        googlemail.com
        
hide details 8:10 AM (6 minutes ago)
        
        
Reply
        
        
Hello Greg
Thank you for your reply, the Suncube does look as if it will be ideal for our needs. Could you please send a copy of the warranty documents as our shareholders will be requiring that. We will also be needing a copy of the performance specifications.
If these are satisfactory then we intend to place an immediate order for 1000 Suncubes for our solar farm. If these perform as expected then we anticipate expanding the project to produce 1 Megawatt peak.
Thank you for your assistance

Brian Edwards
North Yorkshire Power Cooperative

        
Hi Brian,

Sorry but we don't do samples. The output data is in the IV curve. http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/Documents/Eko20080421_093622.pdf Lead time is as stated. For annual kWh production we use the sites annual DNI times 35%. SunCube spacing is generally 2 mtrs NS and 3 mtrs EW. The SunCube mounts into a 2 mtr long section of galvanized water pipe which is set 1.3 mtrs into the ground. It can be pile driven in firm soil. I have attached photos of the Azimuth drive, tracker PCB and off axis shield. Each SunCube has an inbuilt 2 axis smart tracker. Max operational wind loading is 125 kph. Stow, which is lenses pointing at the ground, can withstand 200 kph. Stow with lenses down also reduces lens cleaning and bad weather damage

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, [phone]
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Brian Edwards
    - Show quoted text -
    To: Greg Watson
    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:40 AM
    Subject: Re: proposed solar farm UK

    Hello Greg
    Thank you for your reply, the Suncube does look as if it will be ideal for our needs. Could you please send a copy of the warranty documents as our shareholders will be requiring that. We will also be needing a copy of the performance specifications.
    If these are satisfactory then we intend to place an immediate order for 1000 Suncubes for our solar farm. If these perform as expected then we anticipate expanding the project to produce 1 Megawatt peak.
    Thank you for your assistance
    Brian Edwards
    North Yorkshire Power Cooperative



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Hello Greg
Thank you for your prompt reply. I am very impressed with your design which is clearly a big improvement on the other products on the market. The DNI figure for our location is 2.4 Kwh per day so that yearly energy will be (x365 x 0.35) = 307 Kwh per year.
This does look like very good cost/ performance.
As the project coordinator I have a responsibility to the shareholders to ensure that their money is wisely spent.
Are you able to provide any reassurance that the Kwhours as calculated are achievable.
What is the situation with repair and warranty claims. Do you have an agent in UK?

Thank you for your assistance
Brian Edwards



If you would like to see the wonderful photographs go to flickr.com
and enter suncube.
My friend roversbreath has posted some nice photos.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 02:21 AM

Things seem to have gone rather quiet at the Suncube factory.

Doors are locked at the Suncube factory

Due to a cargo cult mentality which has affected many would be purchasers of the Sunpube I have been censored on many forums and some folks have called me a "psycho stalker" etc.

I thought this was a million dollar scam but I was wrong.
It is a BILLION dollar scam.

Start here!
Suncube....nightmare on Wall Street

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 07:12 AM

Hello again Hoff, sorry I forgot to respond to your call for help.
Let's start with the basics.
Solar is too expensive to be a viable option for the majority of people.
Price has always been about $10 per watt, even shopping around for the best possible price you are still looking at about $5 a watt.
(compare this with a 1Kw Chinese petrol generator available for say $300...plus some petrol of course).
Even with (inefficient) government subsidies the amount of solar installed is minuscule.
So along came CPV. The hope was that by using a small area of (expensive) high efficiency triple junction photocell, the price could be reduced.
Problem is that the cost of reliable accurate tracking devices that are required mean the cost per watt is not that much lower.
High temperatures and thermal cycling stresses mean that there is some doubt about the long term durability and serviceability.
Add to this the many dodgy operators like GGE and Sunrgi who have made hugely exaggerated performance claims.
A number of frustrated would be Sunpube buyers started a self help forum SunGrid
If you go to the start of that forum you can see the many ideas that were kicked around.
Unfortunately it fizzled out after Watson started "contributing"
and is now heavily censored because the forum owner doesn't want to upset Watson.
I'd love to see the price/performance of solar follow the same pattern of Personal Computers and consumer electronics and improve by many orders of magnitude.
I don't really believe there is a conspiracy by manufacturers to keep the price high. The price is headed downwards but we really need to get down to about $1 a watt before we'll have a huge public take up of solar.
I'm still working on the problem and I'll be happy to help you if and when I can find the breakthrough idea.
BTW I have a friend in Belise which is in your part of the world.
He knows a lot about solar also.
Good luck with it all.
Keef

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Hoff
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 12:51 PM

Oh yeah, the CHEERS article was authored Hoff, (still pissed at greg here in the caribbean)...............

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: Keef
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 05:27 PM

Hello...I'm back again.
Just in case anyone is interested, here is an update on the SunPube fiasco.

Greg Watson managed to suck in a USA company called Emcore that supply the 3J photocells needed for a SunPube type device.
Watson convinced them that he would be buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of photocells.
Emcore proudly boasted about these orders and their shareprice went UP (a lot!)
Then Keef spilled the beans...and the share price went DOWN (a lot)
Shareholders REALLY don't like Keef

Shareholders launch a class action against Emcore and say bad things about Watson
Class action

detail of complaint


All this....and still not a single SunPube available for purchase anywhere in the world.
Despite many complaints to ASIC and other authorities, these blatant scammers persist.
Here are 2 more of my favourites

Lutec
Cycclone

and then there was the Firepower Fiasco

FIREPOWER


What can I say......AAAAARRGH!

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Sunny
Date: 06 May 09 - 12:08 AM

Geez I'm glad I found this blog. I was just about to sign up for a minimum order of 100 units. Cheers Keef.

Subject: RE: SunCube Fiasco
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 06 May 09 - 05:25 PM

Tell us more Sunny
I am still battling it out with Wacko Watson on the Yahoo finance board.
Here's my latest effort the thread is called BIG FAT LIE.

BIG FAT LIE

BTW you should read all about the Firepower scam Firepower scam

Australia is the world leader in these sort of scams because our laws are weak and NOT ENFORCED.
I have reported Watson to ASIC and as usual they will do nothing because there is not 100% proof.
In the meantime it is CARRY ON SCAMMING.
Believe me this is just the tip of the iceberg, there are many other companies cashing in on the environmental concern.
If they're green....rip em off...AAAAAARRRGH!

Subject: BS: Keef tries to stop Scammers down under
From: Keef
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 09:20 PM

You may have seen my thread SUNCUBE FIASCO
thread.cfm?threadid=102146&messages=8

I sent off a complaint to ASIC the Australian Securities and Investment Commission.
After about a year they replied that they could not take any action at this time.
Recently we had the great
FIREPOWER SCAM

Once again ASIC was warned but did NOTHING.

So, the way it stands now is that any Australian company can start up one of these scams.
All they have to do is CLAIM that they have a new invention ( green or solar is a good field in which to operate)
Then they can make wild unproven claims and lure in investors.

My original target Mr Greg Watson of the infamous SunCube is still going with his scam. He has operations in India and Korea which have set up showpiece "solar farms" complete with hidden batteries to dupe the innocent.
Mum and Dad investors are now being eagerly sought.

Because Watson is just a trifle annoyed with me for spoiling his scam he has now resorted to publishing my full name which is Keith Edward Leech and quoting some of my other mudcat posts in an attempt to discredit me.
Fair enough I suppose.
Now, I don't mind the sticks and stones BUT he really went to far when he and his accomplices called me a MORRIS DANCER!!!
Not that I've got anything against Morris dancers BUT ...he has got me confused with another feller by that name the wrong Keith
Would the real morris dancing Keith care to step forward and defend his reputation?


Here is the latest one to get on the bandwagon
Latest Aussie Solar Scammer

Same deal, just a mock-up of a "too good to be true" device
ZERO products sold but millions of dollars raised from small investors and the sharemarket.

Legal? Apparently so
Honest? Of course not

What can I say, except perhaps...AAAAAAAAARRRRGH!!

Regards to all...and remember...if it SOUNDS too good to be true!!