BS: The Dark Knight

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:44 PM

Don, I think you will be pleased with the Alfred played by Michael Caine.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:05 PM

Don, the one thing about comic books - they grew up. Sometimes faster than we did. I guess it started with Jack Kirby and Stan Lee and the gang at Marvel in the 1960's changing the image of what a comic book and a superhero should be. Comic books became compelling reading material instead of a diversion for kids.   Marvel built a universe where the heros were flawed, the same as the rest of us, and they basically resurrected an industry that had all but died out.

DC had to change with the times, and by the 1970's Batman returned to his original dark roots. (The early books had Batman using guns and killing the bad guys - but the tone changed to the goody-goody superhero by the time Robin hit the scene.)

In the 1970's, Batman dropped Robin (who became Nightwing) and even after fans brought the character back with another alter-ego, the second Robin was killed off.   The Joker would also cripple Barbara Gordon (aka Batgirl), and the tone of the book would come close to what Burton attempted to portray, and the home run was hit with the latest screen version of Batman.

This ain't your Grandpa's Batman!! The movie matches what is taking place in comic book these days - publications that are no longer aimed at kids.   

These characters are modern mythology - unique universes that create stories that entertain, educate, and inspire.

It if the furthest thing from creative atrophy that you can imagine. Some of the finest storytellers come from the pages of comic books. Even Stephen King wrote a series last year. It may not be everyones cup of tea.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:16 PM

Uh—Ron, I hate to mention this—I hate to have to mention this—and I'm not going to go into detail here, but ye gods! I grew up too, you know. I used to draw the stuff (still do now and then) and I've kept up with the evolution of comics, and on into graphic novels, and I have a couple of friends (e.g., the aforementioned Nora) who are very much into comic books and the collecting thereof. On one of my bookshelves, within arm's reach, I have a couple of books on the history of the comic book and several books on cartooning and illustration, along with a copy of Stan Lee's How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. And in the other room, quite a collection of comics and graphic novels, from the late 1930s right up to date.

In this field as well as in folk music, my mind did not shut down in the early 1960s. I've been here all this time, and I have stayed awake and alert.

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Good grief, Jack! The woman has delusions of something!!

The lovely and elegant Ingrid Berman and Madonna don't even inhabit the same universe!

Who does Madonna want to play Rick?

Maybe Leonardo DiCaprio, or maybe Russell Crowe. He has a nice dark suit. Ah! Here we go! Brad Pitt.

Good that she's the only one—so far—who wants to do it, but just in case, I'll keep working with those spring-loaded grip exercisers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:30 PM

"I've been here all this time, and I have stayed awake and alert."

Uh, sorry Don. Based on your earlier post I did not think you were alert to what was happening. I'm surprised at your reaction if you have been following the trends. Most fanboys seem to welcome the recent films.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:35 PM

Does anyone remember the TV series of Casablanca from the 1980's - with David Soul as Rick?   It died after a few episodes. I think there was an earlier series back in the 1950's.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: ranger1
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 11:41 PM

I never liked the Tim Burton Batman films. Michael Keaton just didn't do it for me as either Bruce Wayne or Batman. On the other hand, I love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Christian Bale seemed to fit my memories of the comic better.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 12:23 AM

The only modern actor I see as Rick is Harrison Ford and he's about 15 years too old.

I have to say Don that I can't think of a worse possible Ilsa.

Well maybe one worse possibility than Madonna... Katie Holmes as Ilsa and Tom Cruise as Rick. Cocktail in a war zone!

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Becca72
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:01 AM

I saw The Dark Knight yesterday and LOVED it. The best Batman film so far, IMO. Heath Ledger was brilliant as The Joker.



Oh, and I'd rather watch The Dark Knight over Citizen Kane any day of the week.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:39 AM

Glad you enjoyed it Becca72. I loved it too, and agree it is the best film of the franchise so far. I was underwhelmed by the first Nolan/Bates film, but thought this one was great.

I too thought Ledger was good, and the best Joker of the franchise so far. His performance will be a tough one to top for future Jokers.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:45 AM

And I know I said yesterday I liked the first Michael Keaton/Tim Burton one better. But I only saw the film on Sunday, and I must say, it has grown on me. So now, I put it on a roughly equal footing with the Keaton/Burton film that launched the franchise as it is today.

Whether you liked the original Burton film or not (and over 50,000 fandom letters were received by the studio howling against the casting of Keaton and Burton to do the film before filming ever begain, so there are many who were opposed to the very idea of those two being involved), you must at least give it it's due for being able to launch this franchise into the stratosphere.

If Burton hadn't been successful enough, you wouldn't have today's Batman to swoon over!

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:22 AM

Whoa. Didn't see this one coming. Just read this over at the Beeb. The PR & producer folk won't be happy with this development.

Batman star held over 'assault'

Batman star Christian Bale has been arrested by detectives investigating claims he assaulted two family members.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said a 34-year-old man had been arrested in connection with an allegation of assault, and remained in custody.

Mr Bale is alleged to have lashed out at his mother and sister in his suite at London's Dorchester Hotel on Sunday.

The Welsh-born actor stars in the title role in the latest Batman film, The Dark Knight.

"A 34-year-old man attended a police station in central London by appointment and was arrested in connection with an allegation of assault - he currently remains in custody," a police spokesman said.

The Hollywood star attended the European premiere of The Dark Knight last night in London's Leicester Square.

He had been due to meet radio journalists at the Dorchester to promote the film on Tuesday afternoon.

It has been reported that the assault allegation was originally filed at a police station in Hampshire.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed it had received an allegation from another force.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Alice
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 03:49 PM

what's that saying... something like all press is good press?

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 03:53 PM

He has been released and is denying the allegations. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:05 PM

That's exactly what I woulda done. Always deny the allegations.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:59 PM

Hmmmm, could be a pulbicity stunt, I hadn't thought of that. And the timing of the allegations and his casual "appointment" appearance days later does suggest it could be something along those lines.

But it seems to me there are limits to that old saw, Alice, and domestic violence and child abuse are two that leap to mind.

Now if he'd been caught with a prostitute, evaded taxes, been found w/drugs in possession, punched up a few in a pub brawl, that sort of thing, it would only add to his star cache and celebrity legend.

But shoplifting (of all things) pretty much wiped out Winona Ryder's career. I certainly never anticipated that shoving a few designer dresses and belts in a bag would send so many round the bend, but there you have it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 05:05 PM

Sorry, meant to include this little gem from the Hollywood Reporter story:

Bale's arrest coincides with a major ad campaign for the film and for Burger King, in which consumers are encouraged to give in to their "dark side." In one ad, a young man refuses to give up his seat to an old lady carrying heavy bags.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM

DV

If I may borrow the logic of someone else on this thread. If you didn't see the arrest you are not qualified to talk about it.

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:30 AM

More shocking news about the accusations against Mr. Bale, this time from my son. He tells me the actor is actually the step-son of Gloria Steinem.

Does anyone know if that is true?

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:13 PM

I saw the movie lst night and enjoyed it a lot. Easily the best Batman movie so far. But what really got me excited was to see the trailer for this movie:

The Watchmen

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 02:33 PM

He is Gloria Steinem's stepson.

The film I'm really looking forward to is The Spirit.   Probably my favorite comic book hero of all time!   Frank Miller appears to be doing a good job based on the limited clips that have been shown.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,DV
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 02:39 PM

It looked very slick, but like more vigilane dystopia stuff, of which there has been LOTS lately in popular entertainment. Did you see Street Kings with Keanu Reeves and Forest Whittaker, for instance? I saw it because I love Forest Whitaker, and it was directed by the guy who wrote Training Day, which I really enjoyed.

What's up in the cultural zeitgeist with that, do you suppose?

I ask, because I don't inhabit the world of comics and graphic novels.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 03:28 PM

>>What's up in the cultural zeitgeist with that, do you suppose?

Two wars, the perception of corrupt government, economic uncertainty, global warming, urban decay, the mere fact that someone like G. W Bush could be elected. Kids today have reason for disillusionment and "Zeitgeist". There were a lot of similar things, I thought, during Viet Nam.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 03:43 PM

It is also interesting to note that the character of Batman, and the comic book industry, came of age in the late 1930's - a time of corrupt government, economic uncertainty, urban decay, and the threats of war around the globe.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:13 PM

This guy has an interesting take on it. Though he doesn't seem to know the whole history.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:55 PM

Interesting take, but I think it is a stretch. Joker= 9/11? Hmmm.

I never bought that whole X-Men/gay scenario either. I did see the point, but to me they represent any group that is misunderstood and ostracized.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 05:33 PM

I agree with you Ron. The Xmen had bigotry against mutants. As an allegory you could plug in whatever group you want. If the persecution of any group in our society is represented, it is the group portrayed in the origin story of the Magnito character. Even then, one to one, parallels are as you say, a stretch.

Obviously, as some one who hasn't seen Dark Knight, I'm not qualified to have an opinion about terrorism. ;-) but I think that the guy in the CBC article was saying that the movie was "post" 9/11, and that this Joker was written to play on our fear of terrorism.

In my mind, even that was a bit of a stretch. There were plenty of movies before 9/11 where the villains were terrorists. But I think what this guy is trying to get at, and what intrigued me the most was that this villain, this Joker, in the film was engaging in terror tactics for their own sake and not as part of any wider cause. If that is true, it is interesting and makes him a pure archetype of pure unexcused menace, such as Jaws' shark or Alien's Alien. I'm now, very much looking forward to the moving appear in my Blockbuster queue.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 09:44 PM

Its the fastest movie ever to reach 300 million.

314 million in 10 days.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 11:57 PM

Hmmm. Well, I saw the movie a couple of days ago, and my reaction to it is neutral.

As a Batman movie, it's a very good one...I figure it gets 9 out of 10 strictly as a Batman movie.

As a movie that I personally enjoyed seeing, however, it barely rates a 5 out of 10. I just don't identify with the story, I don't find it moving or believable, I am not attracted to the extremely dark viewpoint of the film, I could not think of the characters as real people or identify with them...despite some quite good acting.

Of the Batman movies I've seen, I only liked one of them, frankly, and that was the one previous to this one ("Batman Begins"?). I actually did enjoy that film as a fine and entertaining piece of adventure fiction.

The Dark Knight was well filmed, well acted, well done for what it was, but it left me cold. It was the sort of movie I was already forgetting as I walked out the door, and I certainly have no impulse to ever watch it again. What for? Nothing there I would want to see again.

I note, however, that the critics are wild over it. Why is this? Is it because Heath Ledger died, thus giving the critics all a chance to wax lyrical about his bravura and necessarily last performance? I think that probably has much to do with it.

Was it an interesting study of the dark and tortured side of the Batman character? Yeah, I guess so. But for some reason I just didn't care. Like I say, this movie left me cold (as have most of the Batman films).

As for 911, there was one thing definitely done to evoke 911 in people's subconcious minds and get them to see the movie: the movie poster showing the Joker's crooked grin as a flaming, jagged, long hole in the side of a skyscraper. That visual image was meant to link in people's minds with their memories of the flaming, jagged holes made by the 2 airplanes that hit the Twin Towers. It seems like a rather manipulative way to advertise a movie to me, but it doesn't surprise me that they would have done that. After all, they want to sell tickets, right?

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:13 AM

It seemed to me that the movie is getting high marks because it was supposed to get high marks. The cinematography was grand, the effects were spectacular. Way the hell to much boring dialogue, and the story line was average, at best. Bale seems to me to be a caricature of the character in this one. Ledger was fine, but I don't get the Oscar talk, other than as a tribute.

It was when I was considering going to see it again to figure out what I missed that I realized that the movie is getting reviews based more on hype and the unfortunate demise of Mr. Ledger than its merits. Maybe a B+, IMO.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:25 AM

That, in a nutshell, is pretty much how I see it, Mick.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 01:37 AM

There is talk of it overtaking Titanic as number one all time. But I don't see that happening. From what i have read it does not have as much appeal to the female audience.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 02:34 AM

No kidding. I can't imagine why most females would want to see this movie.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 09:11 AM

Because their boyfriends will take them to see it? And a lot of women - not all - are attracted to bad men.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 10:38 AM

I disagree about women and Batman. There is a great appeal for younger women. My daughter has already seen it three times, and she reports most of her friends are going as well. Heath Ledger is a factor, but I think it is more of generational thing.   

The Dark Knight is reflecting contemporary society and morals and all the conflicts.   I still disagree about the Joker and 9/11 - the makeup was nothing more than an artistic vision of trying to turn a comic book character into reality.   The idea of the Joker falling in a vat of acid and having his skin turn white and hair green would not fly with this type of movie. The idea of the scarred mouth and makeup was a way to make the character seem real, I sincrely doubt there was any idea of trying to reflect an image of the twin towers.

This movie has stayed with me, and most people I've talked to are saying the same thing. It challenges the audience while entertaining them - something rare in summer blockbusters.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Becca72
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 11:27 AM

As a single female in her mid 30's I really really enjoyed it. I went alone; no one talked me into it. I really didn't know anything of Heath Ledger before this so he wasn't a factor for me.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 03:03 PM

Well, it's a matter of individual taste, obviously.

I've seen other movies that I loved which got 1/10 of the attention from the critics that this one is getting...and I've bought a copy of them to keep. I wouldn't even bother renting "The Dark Knight" again for two bucks. Not that I hated it. I didn't. It was more or less okay. I just remember walking out of the theatre and thinking..."I'm already forgetting that movie..." This happens when I can't emotionally identify with anything or anyone in a film. I have to be strongly emotionally moved to say I really liked a movie...or I have to find it pretty funny....or quite entertaining...or something like that.

In this case...well...nope.

How in the world did the Joker manage to fill at least one major hospital and two city ferries with enough bombs to completely destroy both of them? How do you do that...and no one notices you doing it????????????? And no one stops you? And no one calls the police or the bomb disposal squad? And you get away with it? Riiiiiiiiight....

Yeah, I know, it's just a comic book story. It's a fantasy. But, really, did the guy have magical powers or something? He would have had to, to be able to set up things like that. He would have to just snap his fingers and "POOF!"...hundreds of bombs are set, wired, and detonators placed in any desirable location in the city, ready to go at the touch of a switch held in his hand.

Man, I bet Osama Bin Laden wishes he could do stuff like that. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:31 PM

>>He would have had to, to be able to set up things like that. He would have to just snap his fingers and "POOF!"...hundreds of bombs are set, wired, and detonators placed in any desirable location in the city, ready to go at the touch of a switch held in his hand.

Man, I bet Osama Bin Laden wishes he could do stuff like that. ;-)>>

Isn't that what a lot of folks are claiming happened at the WTC, with George Bush as the Joker I mean.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:34 PM

"Man, I bet Osama Bin Laden wishes he could do stuff like that. ;-) "


ooo.. satire!!!!   :)

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:42 PM

Bush v Batman

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 06:19 PM

"Isn't that what a lot of folks are claiming happened at the WTC, with George Bush as the Joker I mean."

Exactly, Jack. Only if so, it certainly wasn't done in one day. And it doesn't have to have been George Bush who was in command. It was probably done well in advance...like about 3 weeks in advance...by large crews of well-trained technical personnel, dressed in perfectly normal looking construction equipment, and they did it on a large number of vacant floors in those buildings, and they did much of the work afterhours, and there are numerous witnesses who testified anyway to an unusual amount of unknown construction activity which they could hear happening on those vacant floors...floors which the public had no access to. You could not exit the elevators onto those floors. Furthermore there was a lot of strange dust that accumulated in the lobbies in the last weeks prior to 911. It was remarked on, but no one knew what was causing it. It was supposed, though, that it must have to do with the noisy, but unseen construction activities on some of those vacant floors.

Now, it didn't have to be George Bush who planned that. It simply had to be someone...some group of people...with the necessary high-level connections and the money to do it.

Someone far better equipped, in other words, than the Joker.

It would have taken time to do it. It would have taken very careful planning. It would probably have been an operation where very few of the little people taking part in it knew exactly what the hell was going on...but they simply did what they were told to do. That's how a chain of command usually works. The cogs in the machine do what they are told to do...they don't have to know what the purpose of it is, and they often have no idea what the real purpose of it is.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 06:25 PM

dressed in perfectly normal construction equipment?

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 06:49 PM

Oh, my....well equipped!

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 06:59 PM

"That's how a chain of command usually works. The cogs in the machine do what they are told to do...they don't have to know what the purpose of it is, and they often have no idea what the real purpose of it is. "

But, as we saw in the Dark Knight, the plan always has a flaw and is discovered before the major damage is done - and they catch the criminal!

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 11:57 PM

We saw The Dark Knight last night, partly just to see what all the hoopla was about. The theater was full in the second week of release.

I thought Ledger's Joker was great. A super hero movie needs a really scary, threatening villain to make me suspend belief and get into the story; otherwise I just sit there in the dark and think, "Hey, I'm sitting here in the dark watching a story about a billionaire running around at night in a rubber bat suit and beating up guys. What's the deal with that?" Ledger's psychotic Joker was plenty scary enough pull me into the story. I especially liked that they left him a bit enigmatic instead of creating an elaborate backstory.
- Phil

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 12:16 AM

" the plan always has a flaw and is discovered before the major damage is done - and they catch the criminal!"

Yes. That's what happens in the movies, Ron. Alas, real life is neither so neatly arranged nor so kind.

Was John Kennedy saved at the last moment? Was Bobby? Was Martin Luther King? Was Lincoln? Was the Maine? Was the Hindenburg? Was the Reichstag? Were the Twin Towers?

Nope. Major (in fact total) damage was done in all cases.

Plans can have many flaws and still succeed.

Example: The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

flaw number 1: The American aircraft carriers were safely out at sea when the Japanese airstrikes came in.

flaw number 2: The Japanese sank a bunch of old American battleships...ships which proved to be of relatively little use in the coming war.

flaw number 3: They neglected to destroy the fuel tanks and naval repair facilities at Pearl. If they had done that, instead of sinking some old battleships, then the US fleet would have had to rebase itself in distant California rather than in Hawaii, and it would have made a huge difference to the Japanese logistical advantage.

flaw number 4: The Japanese attack was seen coming in on American radar. Fortunately for the Japanese, the radar report was misunderstood and no alert was sounded.

flaw number 5: The Japanese could have sent in a third attack wave and smashed up the oil tanks and repair facilities anyway. They didn't.

flaw number 6: It was not a smart move pschologically to hit Pearl Harbor, because it infuriated the American population, thus making America's will to fight like a will of iron.

So there you had a whole bunch of flaws in a plan. Nonetheless, the Pearl Harbor attack plan basically succeeded in its tactical objectives. It achieved surprise and great damage at a small material cost. It was a major tactical victory for the Japanese...but a Pyrrich one in the long run.

All of which has nothing to do with Batman movies...but I do enjoy history. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 11:36 AM

LH - it was a movie, there are flaws in logic that need to be suspended.   No human being could fly from rooftops, the tricked out car could not operate the way it was portrayed, the odds of Batman being able to keep his identity a secret are slim, the Joker would probably have been plugged before it ever came to that point. Disbelief needs to be suspended to get to the real messages. You are right though, the conspiracies you talk about have nothing to do with Batman movies.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 05:03 PM

Oh, I'm prepared to do a certain amount of suspension of disbelief, Ron, for sure, when it comes to a Batman movie or any other such movie. I just thought they took it a bit far with the hospital blowing up scene, but they have to please their audiences, of course, and audiences like really BIG explosions, not half measures. Audiences expect total absolute mayhem, and the movie industry keeps raising the bar on that.

Can you imagine the living a person can make doing explosion effects for the movie industry? Blowing things up real good?   ;-) Man, it's just what every ten-year-old boy dreams of doing as a career!

KA-BLOOOOEYYY!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 05:28 PM

You are right - the hospital scene was a bit far-fetched, and the boat as well. It works in the pages of comic books, and film to some extent, but when you put reason to it - it won't work.   Of course, 99% of the films being released would fit that catagory!

By the way, they actually blew up a building for that scene - it was not CGI.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 05:43 PM

Is that right? Wow. I thought it looked pretty damn convincing.

It's just the sort of job Calvin (of Calvin & Hobbes) would want to have when he grew up.

Subject: RE: BS: The Dark Knight
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:44 AM

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