BS: Popular Views on Palin

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:04 AM

Apparently someone did yell, "kill him!" in response to Palin's incitements against Obama at a Florida event, but Palin just ignored it. Hardly surprising, I suppose. According to the top strategist in the McCain campaign, "If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we're going to lose".

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:32 AM

Carol I was doing a pic of a giant mossquito sucking money from the puckered planet Earth dry. That was the sucking sound.

MSNBC Oberman show replayed the angry Palin mov with a guy yelling KILL HIM as well as the crowd yelling that Obama was a terrorist in response to the question Obama, who is he.

As angry mobs go, they were not stirred to a 3rd Reich frenzy but they damn well better put some brakes on inciting a crowd to murder lest they become somthing more than accomplices.

My dear State Police of Maryland went on a mission for a state senator to round up domestic terrorists against the war.
As a result some 400 people were listed as terrorists right here in Maryland. The police captain did make a public apology to two nuns who were listed as terrorists and banned from many priviledges other citizens enjoy like a checking account or commercial flying. The rest will be notified by mail before the peace terrorist police records are supposedly removed from the national data base.

The police involved have all been found innocent of any wrong doing.
Some new reccomendations have been made that written reprimands will be given officers for capriciously listing citzens en mass as terrorists without a diligent investigation.

VERE R YOOR PAPERS! AHA YOU R A TERRORIST! take them away.


we are close people, very close.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:58 AM

"How in the world can conservative commentators write with a straight face that this woman should be vice president of the United States? Do these people understand what serious trouble our country is in right now?

We are in the middle of an economic perfect storm, and we don't know how much worse it's going to get. People all over the world are hoarding cash, and no bank feels that it can fully trust anyone it is doing business with anywhere in the world. Did you notice that the government of Iceland just seized the country's second-largest bank and today is begging Russia for a $5 billion loan to stave off "national bankruptcy." What does that say? It tells you that financial globalization has gone so much farther and faster than regulatory institutions could govern it. Our crisis could bankrupt Iceland! Who knew?

And we have not yet even felt the full economic brunt here. I fear we may be at that moment just before the tsunami hits — when the birds take flight and the insects stop chirping because their acute senses can feel what is coming before humans can. At this moment, only good governance can save us. I am not sure that this crisis will end without every government in every major economy guaranteeing the creditworthiness of every financial institution it regulates. That may be the only way to get lending going again. Organizing something that big and complex will take some really smart governance and seasoned leadership.

Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber. But putting the country in the position where a total novice like Sarah Palin could be asked to steer us through possibly the most serious economic crisis of our lives is flat out reckless. It is the opposite of conservative.

And please don't tell me she will hire smart advisers. What happens when her two smartest advisers disagree?

And please also don't tell me she is an "energy expert." She is an energy expert exactly the same way the king of Saudi Arabia is an energy expert — by accident of residence. Palin happens to be governor of the Saudi Arabia of America — Alaska — and the only energy expertise she has is the same as the king of Saudi Arabia's. It's about how the windfall profits from the oil in their respective kingdoms should be divided between the oil companies and the people.

At least the king of Saudi Arabia, in advocating "drill baby drill," is serving his country's interests — by prolonging America's dependence on oil. My problem with Palin is that she is also serving his country's interests — by prolonging America's dependence on oil. That's not patriotic. Patriotic is offering a plan to build our economy — not by tax cuts or punching more holes in the ground, but by empowering more Americans to work in productive and innovative jobs. If Palin has that kind of a plan, I haven't heard it.

.." (NYT Ed)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

"Whether or not I agree with John McCain, he is of presidential timber."


                      And Obama is not!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM

Rig,

I have to disagree. It does appear that Obama is capable of being president- but I do not support either his stated ( with unspecified means of getting there) points, nor the ones that he has supported in his (few) votes as a public offocial.


I would NOT say that he is not qualified- just not what I would want to have as president.


And, IMHO, his election would lead this country to nuclear war far more surely than McCain (or Palin).

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:19 AM

Wrong again, Rig,. The difference is that McCain is of a different kind of timber from the neck up--knotty oak, I think.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:23 AM

Whereas Obama is like poplar- fast growing, but not durable or long lasting.


As I said, Obama would be a good president if he changed his policies, metyhods, and viewpoint- ie, if he becomes a Republican ( and yes, a Goldwater Republican would do.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM

I think the word you want is "popular".

The idea that he is a lightweight has no grounds, imho; he has demonstrated ttoughness and flexibility, breadth of visiona nd historical perspective. You will see a change of gears after the election, when he is free to get down towork without having to tiptoe through the rednecks.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:19 AM

"...McCain is of a different kind of timber from the neck up--knotty oak, I think."


                      And Obama is wormwood!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:33 AM

Ah, Rig, let the scales fall from your eyes, my friend. You gotta be able to see quality when it is in front of you, or you will live a fearful live hemmed in by imaginary demons.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:42 AM

Where does this idea that Obama is over young to be president come from? He's already older than Clinton or Kennedy when they became president. And he's some years older than Teddy Roosevelt.

As for experience, his CV is more extensive than Lincoln's was, for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM

McGrath, you weren't paying attention. McCain is supposed to be Teddy Roodevelt.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:15 PM

"...or you will live a fearful live hemmed in by imaginary demons."


                      Yes, there are demons out there, all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:56 PM

No, poplar is right...


Many poplars are grown as ornamental trees, with numerous cultivars selected. They have the advantage of growing very big very fast. Trees with fastigiate (erect, columnar) branching are particularly popular, and very widely grown across Europe and southwest Asia. However, like willows, poplars have very vigorous and invasive root systems stretching up to 40 m from the trees; planting close to houses or ceramic water pipes may result in damaged foundations and cracked walls and pipes due to their search for moisture.

Fast-growing hybrid poplars are grown on plantations in many areas for pulpwood and used for the manufacture of paper.[8] The wood is generally white, often with a slightly yellowish cast. It is also sold as inexpensive hardwood timber, used for pallets and cheap plywood; more specialised uses include matches and the boxes in which camembert cheese is sold. Poplar wood is widely used in the snowboard industry for the snowboard "core", because it has exceptional flexibility.

Poplar was the most common wood used in Italy for panel paintings; the Mona Lisa and indeed most famous early renaissance Italian paintings are on poplar.

Due to its tannic acid content, the bark has been used in Europe for tanning leather.[3]

There has been some interest in using poplar as an energy crop for biofuel, particularly in light of its high energy in - energy out ratio, large carbon mitigation potential and fast growth.

Poplar wood also, particularly when seasoned, makes a good hearth for a bow drill. It was picked as the material for the bones of "Buster", the crash test dummy used in the TV show MythBusters, after some experiments revealed that it fractures under approximately the same loads as human bone. Poplar is sometimes used in the bodies of electric guitars and drums.

A folk tradition noted among Michigan miners in the early 20th century asserted that poplar wood was used to make the cross upon which Jesus Christ was crucified.[9]

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:28 PM

I am well aware of the uses of poplar, Bruce, but the underlying fact remains that it is a mischaracterization of Senator Obama, not based on specifics or factual observations as far as I can tell.

OF course we all have _some_ snarky opinions here and there.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:49 PM

Read the details, Amos:



advantage of growing very big very fast.

poplars have very vigorous and invasive root systems

with fastigiate (erect, columnar) branching are particularly popular,

it has exceptional flexibility.

in light of its high energy in - energy out ratio, large carbon mitigation potential and fast growth.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

But do they put out hot air like Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Mark Ross
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:10 PM

In my latest quest for financial stability I am now offering at discount rates the new Mattel product, The CARIBOU BARBIE!

Comes with an M-16, a snowmobile, and a sexy pair of librarian glasses.


Mark Ross

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM

No moose hunter worth his/her salt would use an M-16.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:32 PM

Not sure you can even kill a moose with a .223 round

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:57 PM

Pillar of salt Much better value than a moose hunter.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:01 PM

I wonder what the story is behind the one that looks like a mushroom?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: TIA
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

So, a pilrimage by a group belonging to Palin's denomination claims to have killed Mother Teresa with their prayers, and Palin's supporters shout "kill him" when she mentions Obama. All with no repudiation.

Pro-life? Horsepucky.

I would love to see things from our priest's viewpoint, but I just can't shove my head that far up my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:48 AM

Yes Carol, but usually we say, "this fridge is in a right mess, so we shift a few jars about, wipe the salad box, and shut the door quick before any of the nasties who live in the back can get out!

What we should be thinkin' is, "this old fridge is about fucked. The light doesn't work any more, the temperature control is erratic and the vacuum pump is ready for the broth pot.

So we shut the door quick to keep the nasties in, take it to the junk yard and tip it in the crusher....simple.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:51 AM

A revolution is a revolution..... Anything to get a nice new fridge!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 04:00 AM

Maybe we have different visions of what's possible, then. That's ok. I think both visions have validity and are valuable for helping to move the world in the direction it needs to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 07:53 AM

"I would love to see things from our priest's viewpoint, but I just can't shove my head that far up my ass."

                   TIA - Are you saying that your priest is in agreement with the group belonging to Palin's denomination?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 10:39 AM

Palin in contradicting McCain whose base doesn't like him. She is the favored one and when
she would become president, she would carry on the Bush/Cheney/Rove agenda. That's
the plan on which the Republicans are banking. Sarah Barracuda is Bush in a dress.

You think McCain has temper management problems? Just think of what Sarah would do.

World War III (wink wink)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 01:56 PM

Yes. Perfect agreement on being "pro-life" by assertion.
But turning a blind eye to the Mother Teresa claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:08 PM

Palin is living in a glass house, throwing faux stones.
You would think she would realize her own recent connections to the anti-American Alaska Independence Party (whom she, as governor, told to keep up the good work) would eventually come to the awareness of the rest of the country.
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"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."
The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")

snip

Vogler wasn't just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That's right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran."

Olberman, msnbc

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Also an article on this subject from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. today, Alaskan Independance Party, the last refuge of a scoudrel

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:11 PM

This quote is important from the article by Kennedy:

"Palin's husband Todd remained an AIP party member from 1995 to 2002. Sarah can be described in McCarthy-era palaver as a "fellow traveler." While retaining her Republican registration, she attended the AIP's 1994 convention where the party called for a draft constitution to secede from the United States and create an independent nation of Alaska. The McCain Campaign has reluctantly acknowledged that she also attended AIP's 2000 Convention. She apparently found the experience so inspiring that she agreed to give a keynote address at the AIP's 2006 convention and she recorded a video greeting for this year's 2008 convention. In other words, this is not something that happened when she was eight!"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:12 PM

Washington Post article about an ABC interview of Joe Biden with Diane Sawyer.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 06:52 PM

California would probably get out of their financial abyss if they did seceede.

Isn't the Country First slogan getting more Ironic everyday?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 08:04 PM

McCain, you have some 'splainin to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 09:31 PM

More on Palin and the anti-American AIP today in Salon.
Investigative report from Alaska, "Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin's political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy. "Her door was open," says Chryson — and still is."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 10:25 PM

At least she has more executive experience than Barack Obama, and wasn't associated with an organization as subversive as ACORN.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 11:10 PM

more executive experience perched on top of an iffy BA out of U. Idaho in journalism and a little time on television. Compare that to Harvard Law school, editing the Law Review, and all of the rest that came before their respective careers and she loses, hands down.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:03 AM

Of course, an affirmative action candidate with a degree from Harvard means...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:09 AM

Don't kid yourself, and you're not fooling anyone else either. But fortunately, Obama isn't running against that twit Palin, now, is he?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:12 AM

George W Bush had eight years of executive experience at the state level before he was elected president, and he's one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 08:06 AM

Yes, well, I find that very hard to argue with. And, of course, he had undergraduate and advanced degrees from Ivy League Universities, so that doesn't mean much either.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:51 AM

Mightn't Alaskan insdependence be quite a good idea? For the USA anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:52 AM

Could we sell it back to Russia?

maybe it will save our economy

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:57 AM

Texas has a "weak governor" system. Perfect for Bush. And a lot of Texans tried to warn everyone else what a jerk he was, but few were listening.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

Riginslinger-

I was struck by your comment above that Palin "...wasn't associated with an organization as subversive as ACORN." Clearly you did not follow up the link to the Salon. com report of Palin's active support for the Alaska Independence Party (AIP):

click here for report

Or maybe you weren't impressed with AIP's denouncement of the United States; their statements certainly rival anything that Rev. Wright has come up with. Palin evidently was not a card-carrying member of this party but she made presentations at their general meetings and worked for more than 5 years with its leadership; when elected Mayor of Wasilla Palin tried to appoint Steve Stoll, the leader of the AIP and a member of the John Birch Society, to take her former Town Council seat; the effort failed. When elected Governor, Palin continued to work with AIP leaders.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by "subversive."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

Whatever Palin might have done, she didn't get down on her knees and wallow around in front of a maniac for 20 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:13 AM

How do you know that, Rig?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:16 AM

rig-
Have you seen any info on Palin's church--complete with witchcraft, speaking in tongues and laying on of hands?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

Investigation in Alaska is now revealing the details of Mr. Palin's subpoena response, including this:

Page 1, Line 17: "(Wooten) illegally shot a cow moose without a permit"

    Palin of course leaves out the fact that his entire family knew the moose was shot illegally in 2003 but that didn't stop him and his family from butchering and eating the meat, only to file the complaint two years later when Wooten was divorcing Sarah's sister.

Page 2, Line 16: "In 2005 and 2006, State Trooper Mike Wooten was the subject of a court ordered domestic violence protective order."

Palin of course leaves out the fact that the order was granted while Wooten was out of state taking his step son to Portland. While he was away, Sarah Palin and her sister went before a judge in Palmer and convinced the judge to grant the order without any evidence of domestic violence. Upon his return, Anchorage Judge John Suddock questioned Palin's sister and immediately revoked the order, calling it an egregious abuse of the legal system.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:15 PM

Maybe somebody got indigestion, the delayed variety.

XG