BS: Welcome back Boris

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 08:56 AM

ok -the sun isn't a very posh paper- unless you 'read' the sport perhaps. uncle boko 3 legs - new name? same politics?
p and l, pete

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 May 12 - 10:29 AM

""One swallow doesn't make a summer, and one Boris doesn't make a trend.""

And one mid term dip doesn't make a loss at a general election. Look at the last fifty years and see how often it meant nothing.


""posh = people who think it's OK to go into someone's business premises and trash it because they can pay for the damage afterwards? (And I know someone who directly knows a restaurateur that happened to in Oxford.) And it's OK because they talk proper?""

That really isn't worthy of you Penny. Only a very few idiots act in that way, and there are as many dustmen and ditch diggers as posh twerps in that group.

There are two differences however:-

1. The posh boys make the national press, while the ditch diggers and dustmen get sympathy for their hard upbringing.

2. The proprietors get the damage paid for by the posh boys. I'm not sure that applies to the others (and I've heard quite a number of working class lads talking about taking sums of money on a night out which would pay for my one week holiday this year).

In reality, of course, POSH simply means people who speak correct English with proper pronunciation and has nothing to do with money, or I'd be able to afford two weeks holiday.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 May 12 - 10:48 AM

What baffles me is why did so many people vote Labour in the recent elections?

OK, so the Tories are evil, and the party of the posh, rich and selfish, but what has Labour got to offer these days? It's just another right of centre party which slavishly supports the madness of neo-liberal, free market economics. Apart from some inept social engineering they are virtually indistinguishable from the Tories (perhaps not quite so posh?). They also have an idiotic and insufferably smug rank-and-file who all seem to be living in some sort of imaginary Ramsey-MacDonald-Red-Flag theme park.

Listen up, all you Labour Party supporters: LABOUR ARE NO LONGER THE GOOD GUYS - so stop f***ing voting for them!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 10:56 AM

"What baffles me is why did so many people vote Labour in the recent elections?"

Because the British mob are like sheep baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 11:16 AM

so bonzo - not british then? where are you from then elevates you above us mere woolly souls? of course labour trade on an amount of largely outdated and sentimental capital(?) that they are on the side of ordinary people. i think for the majority of its supporters that is largely still true - at least in comparison to the tories who are unashamedly on the side of the wealthy and powerful. new labour was a high-jacking of a party and an ideal that will be forever tainted and damned as cosying up to global capitalism and illegal war.i would never vote for them again given the choice of green or Socialist but many people do have a preference for being represented by someone who they know who has recognisably similar concerns - at least at local level.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 12 - 12:54 PM

" ... but many people do have a preference for being represented by someone [Labour] who they know who has recognisably similar concerns - at least at local level."

Oh, Peter, if only that were true! In the city where I live the Labour council is only interested in two things: aiding and abetting property developers and airport expansion. The only party who take a really active role locally are the much maligned Lib Dems (who, of course, have been decimated).

I'm also have great doubt about local Labour's commitment to democracy. A large majority of local Labour councillors represent wards where hardly anyone bothers to vote (all the most powerful and influential councillors represent such wards). Before the election one leading councillor was crowing about making our city a 'one party state'. Finally, one of my Labour councillors doesn't even speak to me because she knows that I don't automatically fall into line and support her party (I thought that this just applied to me - but yesterday someone told me that she is well known for having this attitude). At least the LibDems, the Greens, the Socialist Workers etc. (we don't seem to have any Tories these days) are all prepared to debate the issues!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:13 PM

English as tuppence.........

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:21 PM

"the presentational skills that seem to come easily to posh boys and PR liars. (we all know what 'posh' means by the way.)" ---
.,,.,.
In fact, pete, we could all think of 20 or 30 different overtones for the word; nearly all of them wearisomely ironic-pejorative. Occasional exceptions occur: "It's going to be quite a posh occasion, so put on a suit and tie, please", could be quite a vanilla thing for a wife to say as the couple prepare to go out, e.g. ~ but generally my pejorative view of 'posh' as pejorative will hold IMO. And, as such, it has, like 'bourgeois' or 'capitalist' lost thru over-definition any real meaning it might ever have had. Words like that I think best avoided in serious discussion; their use reflects badly on the unthinking nature of the remarks being made in which they occur.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:37 PM

You can call Labour all you want bonzo3braincells, but the Tory's and the Fuckwits still got a stuffing last Thursday.

The people have spoken.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:41 PM

Call me Dave,' I want a Boris in every city ', you might do Dave but the British people have told you to fuck off, question over and done with.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:56 PM

I vote Labour because the majority of the wealth in this country is in the hands of people who see no responsibility to the people who made this country what it is. At least people like Henry V111 spent money raising armies and defending the place.

But what do the present lot do? they just sit on inherited wealth and play the markets. They tried to run the factories with sixty and 70 year old track - didn't occurr to them to reinvest. Then when they started losing money - they blamed it all on the unions. Then when their industries folded they put it all in tax havens.

The tories are the allies of these over rich, over privileged bums.

labour has in part paid back the debt the country owed to the men who fought the wars by giving their kids a better life, free education, health care, better housing than was available pre-war.

Yets its a curates egg. Blair lied to us about WMDs. However the tories wanted us in that war as well. But if you're not absolutely stinking rich and you vote tory - youseem like a bit of a mug to me.

Having said that, I quite like the patrician style of Boris. It reminds me a bit of Macmillan who always used to sleep in a new suit, because he said new clothes looked 'inexpressibly vulgar'.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 01:58 PM

boko-'english as tuppence' - but you feel yourself above the rest of us mob. why?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:00 PM

Right, Al. What Boris has got, say what you will of him, is "style" in ♠♠♠♠♠♠

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:01 PM

"You can call Labour all you want bonzo3braincells, but the Tory's and the Fuckwits still got a stuffing last Thursday."

Do I take it that you're a Labour supporter, Dave? Anyone who supports Labour these days has no justification for calling anyone else a "fuckwit"!

If Labour supporters were really anti-Tory Socialists they would be working much harder to transform their pink-skinned, blue-centred party.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:22 PM

I cannot, for the life of me, fathom how anyone could trust the judgment of an adult who can't even manage to comb his own hair, or even have the self-respect to get a decent haircut.

He looks and sounds like a complete fuckwit - truly a sausage short of a barbecue.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:29 PM

Re the hair, & the affectation of a sort of bumblingly distrait quality ~ he always seems to me, mutatis mutandis to be aiming at something of the same sort of 'marmite' anti-style as our dear late friend Peter Bellamy. I think he triumphantly pulls it off. YMMobviouslyV.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 06 May 12 - 02:33 PM

Oh, I think he has plenty of 'sausage' in good working order, from the various gossip one reads about. I can't imagine what women see in him, but there's no accounting for taste!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:03 PM

allez les francais -la neighbour who just keeps on giving! eric cantona, emile zola, vin, simone de beauvoir, camembert, serge et jane, zinedine zidane, les filmes boring but stylish, daniel auteuil, balzac, sartre, la guillotine, camus, isabelle hupport,le grand jambon -gerard depardieu! et maintenant, un petit hope against les austerity orcs! salut comrades!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 03:19 PM

Cor! Franglais!

How posh!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:12 PM

mais oui -franglais! la tongue de les gods (et ils sont about as posh as vous can get) pourez-yersel un grand tasse de vin rouge et get la marsellaise on you tube - preferablyment serge gainsbourg chantetit en une reggae-stylee while eric cantona kicks out contra la racisme. c'est insouciant, mon braves!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:34 PM

And the socialists are so easily wound up - good job I inherited from my hard working parents!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:38 PM

Spanish babies fighting over a dummy!

This has some significance I think!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 May 12 - 04:50 PM

Actually, Newport Boy, as a Londoner myuself, and along with nearly a million fellow Londoners who also voted against Johnson, I have every right to complain - especially as being a bus user I have already face a 50% increase in bus fares and in outer London an 80% increase in the cost of the daily oystercard 'workers???' sorry overpaid, overbloated, nasty, greedy Boris clones who lined their pockets at they ****ed up the economy had their fared kepted comparitivley down.

I hope that if the nasty ignorant buffoon if he doesn't keep Livingstone's promise to cut fares, will at raise the London statuory minimum wage to a 6 figure annual sum so that care workers, and those in sh** jobs that make life in London worth living have to make choices of wheter to p[ay bills or travel to work

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 12 - 06:01 PM

Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone are both entertaining enough stand up comics, and Boris's slapstick act as an amiable buffoon straight out of Jeeves seems to have come across better than Ken's slighly dated Cheeky Chappy.

But watching the French election coverage I was struck by how all the Presidential candidates shared one thing - they knew how to speak inspirationally in public. A skill apparently completely unknown in English politics, with the possible exception of George Galloway. I suppose they've been told that a rather slimy conversational style is what is required.
.........................
I note that almost all of the voters in the London election failed to use their second vote in a meaningful way. For it to mean anything, you cast your first vote for the person you'd really like, and the second for the one among the two people you know are going to come first and second whom you dislike less.

I wonder if that failure to use the second vote effectively was intentional or just that the voters aren't too clever in understanding how this strange voting system in London works.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 May 12 - 06:09 PM

SPB ~ you have every reason to feel disappointed; but, if you have any pretensions to believing in democracy, surely no 'right' to 'complain' that more people disagreed than agreed with you? What about their 'rights', then?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 May 12 - 06:19 PM

well if Boris is that bad - you have to wonder how bad the guy was that he beat.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 May 12 - 07:06 PM

Well, let's talk some sense.

In fact Boris has done absolutely nothing of any value as mayor of London (save implement some previous Labour plans) and has failed to show any grasp of policies or appreciation of the lack of viability of his glib assurances. For reasons that I do not understand people regard Ken as a megalomaniac but his policies have always been better for the bulk of Londoners. This election in London was not decided on policies but on some sort of foolish personality cult.

More dangerously, the mayoral election was however probably decided by badly biassed press coverage, the London evening papers (and City AM) being in effect part of Boris propaganda machine - or as Boris's educated and nuanced expression would have it "fucking bollocks".

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 May 12 - 07:25 PM

If the election of the Mayor was decided on policy then I can't complain about the result of the election. However, we live ina society where we can speak openly about the wrong-doings of those who hold power.

Those who hold power have responsibilities not just towards those who support their policies, but to society as a whole.

But... I think the result of the Mayoral election was based on the less disliked personality.

One good result was that a certain party which I won't mention by name as it would attract the troll(s) got wiped of the map.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 12 - 01:57 AM

I also wonder why the vast majority of the UK population, who live outside London, have to be assaulted non-stop by this 'Landon Mayor' horse-shit every time we switch on our TVs or radios, or pick up a newspaper?

Why don't the media (and, for that matter, all Landoners) realise.......WE DON'T GIVE A FLYIN' F**K ABOUT YOUR SHITTY DIPSTICK MAYOR, HE'S A TOTAL F***IN' NONENTITY AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED!

I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about those two pricks whose election, or even existence, makes not one iota of difference to my life.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 May 12 - 02:09 AM

You can call it 'sense' if you like, Richard; but it won't make any difference to the result, teehee.

I suppose that's why you chose your nickname, BWM. Headinsandman might have been better. Do you really never visit the capital and hope to be able to drve where you want to be, or that your tube train or bus will actually arrive? Goodness how sad...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 12 - 03:07 AM

Of course I understand that, Michael and yes, I do have the occasional weekend dahn Landon (I take the train, BTW, I leave the car at home). I realise the importance of the election to those who live and/or work in Landon, and I have no objection to the appropriate media-coverage in that area.

But for those who don't live and/or work in Landon (and we are the vast majority it's of far less consequence, and therefore the media-saturation becomes.....well, absolutely ball-aching. Surely, you can understand that?

It wouldn't be quite so unbearable if the candidates (and, in particular, the incumbent) weren't such insufferable twats.

BTW and FWIW, I had you down as one who rises above childish insults and name calling ("I suppose that's why you chose your nickname, BWM. Headinsandman might have been better".

You disappoint me.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:09 AM

But it is right that an Eton boy is Mayor.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:40 AM

"childish insults and name calling" - what, you mean "fucking bollocks"?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:41 AM

Well, Bozo, the Headmaster, teaching-staff and house-staff of Eton should hang their heads in shame that they have turned out such a scruffy, arrogant, ignorant clown.

I thought that Public Schools stood for the highest possible standards. Clearly I was wrong. Thank God I went to a State Grammar School.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:52 AM

Thank you for the implied compliment, BWM, and I grieve to have caused you such disappointment by failure to maintain those Olympian heights of courtesy and urbanity you purport to have observed in me!

But surely you can see that your chosen nickname had a peculiar, nay irresistible, reference and relevance to the point you were making? You really do insult a bit easy, it seems to me.

~M~

I always leave the car at Trumpington Park & Ride & come in by Nat Xpress coach to Mile End or Embankment. It's not just London traffic that is so bloody, but London parking!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:59 AM

School playground...........!!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 May 12 - 07:55 AM

BWM and MGM - both delightful company. Don't know you Bonzo - but neither of those guys would say offensive things to each others face.

In the north we have this sort of annoyance factor. The BBC never seems to know anything about us - even in something important like the miners strike, there were geographical howlers in the news every night.

And yet they seem to want us to know who the mayor of London is. Would they know the mayor of Weymouth, Cambridge or Nottingham.

The mayor of Weymouth plays the spoons quite well at the folk club. That never gets in the news.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 07 May 12 - 08:19 AM

I see this is as usual becoming a slanging match, originated and continued by a troll. Come on, it's obvious from the start of this thread (and his constant postings on others) that it's pointless having a sensible discussion with him. When he posts stuff like "But it is right that an Eton boy is Mayor" he's clearly on a mission to annoy.

He's ALWAYS doing it - "The socialists are so easily wound up - good job I inherited from my hard working parents!!". The first bit is of course true, not just of socialists, but of anybody - look at the way "Dave" Cameron goes all crimson and Bullingdon when anybody has a go at him. The second bit is impenetrable - did our scribbler inherit a good job from his parents? Sorry, 3/10.

He produces the following explanation for the recent local election results - "Because the British mob are like sheep baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!". Now there's a diamond-honed mind at work. Who needs Nick Robinson and Evan Davies when we've got him?   

There you go - he's wound me up now. Must be the echoes of fourth form debates/shouting matches at my Alma Mater.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 12 - 09:15 AM

"Thank you for the implied compliment, BWM, and I grieve to have caused you such disappointment by failure to maintain those Olympian heights of courtesy and urbanity you purport to have observed in me!"

It was indeed a compliment, Michael - I'm always pleased and entertained to read your well-reasoned contributions. Whilst I may ofttimes disagree with your arguments, I can never fault the style with which you make them!

"But surely you can see that your chosen nickname had a peculiar, nay irresistible, reference and relevance to the point you were making? You really do insult a bit easy, it seems to me."

I understand the point, Michael, and you might well be right that I insult a bit easy. But, as the kid who was bullied at school, until he found out at around the age of 13 or 14, that the way to deal with an aggressor is to give him a fuckin' good knuckle-sandwich (several, preferably), I do occasionally take offence somewhat early in an argument. My apologies are due on this occasion, I feel.

"I always leave the car at Trumpington Park & Ride & come in by Nat Xpress coach to Mile End or Embankment. It's not just London traffic that is so bloody, but London parking!"

As it takes only an hour and 40 minutes by train from Retford to KX (an hour and 30 from Newark), it's far preferable to driving the God-awful A1, infested as it is by homicidal HGV-drivers and young, lunatic-driver bimbos in flashy, overpowered company cars (the kind of cars they could never hope to drive were they not provided by their employers). And, of course, I can read a book as I travel on the train.

Enjoy the rest of the Bank Hol.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 May 12 - 09:45 AM

Really quite OK ~~ no apology necessary, but thank you.

Good Bank Hol to you too. It's raining here! Bah!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 10:33 AM

I quite agree - enjoy the Bank Holiday, even though the weather is diabolical.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 May 12 - 11:11 AM

Still fine here, but it's looking black o'er granny's (as we say out here in the Backwoods!) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 12:07 PM

I like that, the sun just came out here!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 May 12 - 12:15 PM

I stll don't get it. the mayor goes and shakes hands with pensioners, meets royalty when they deign to appear, opens fetes, says well done everybody....

thats what mayors do.

Boris as soon as anybody else. how could it matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 May 12 - 01:01 PM

""More dangerously, the mayoral election was however probably decided by badly biassed press coverage,...""

By which, I take it, you mean that the press had the bad taste to let slip that Red Ken is as unscrupulous, greedy and corrupt in his financial affairs as any "arrogant posh boy"?


""I stll don't get it. the mayor goes and shakes hands with pensioners, meets royalty when they deign to appear, opens fetes, says well done everybody....

thats what mayors do.""

You are right Al! You don't get it!

That is what most mayors do, but the London mayor is different. He has administrative powers similar to those of a company CEO and can make policy decisions which are implemented on his authority.

Just as an aside, it may have (in fact in one case it definitely has ) slipped by unnoticed, but the BBC headquarters are in Manchester and most of their programs come from studios there, so perhaps we will, in the fullness of time have cause to piss and moan about coverage down south.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 May 12 - 01:52 PM

weif that's how London does it -they're daft. They should do it as democratically as all the other councils.Why go to the bother of electing councillors if you'ree going to pass on executive power to some 'Mayor' - makes no sense at all. I can't believe it is, as you say it is.

Incidentally Don, I've done lots of gigs for old aged pensioner Londoners and to a man and woman they had nothing but praise for Red Ken. I think maybe you are overstating your case a bit.

Doubtless he has his faults, but many Londoners really liked him and he was elected despite Thatcher wriggling and jiggling with democratic process with the aim of ousting him.

Why am I reading your post and getting the impression that you are gibbering with rage....?

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 02:16 PM

I think we should all be worrying about this hideous new Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro - a former air hostess no less, who is making a thorough nuisance of herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 May 12 - 03:39 PM

Good name though

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 May 12 - 03:53 PM

Very dyed hair - like most Argentine ladies!

Subject: RE: BS: Welcome back Boris
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 May 12 - 04:41 PM

The mayor of Weymouth plays the spoons quite well at the folk club. That never gets in the news.

That's pretty scandalous!!