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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Nov 00 - 11:42 AM I could hardly believe it when I saw the title of this thread, so I ignored it for awhile. Now, having investigated, I find it is a treasure trove of humour, indeed. However, to wax serious for a moment here, I think we might all ponder as to why the word "penis" raises such concern in people's minds? Why should it? Why should it be any more controversial than "ear", "foot", "leg", etc. It's a part of the body. Surely all parts of the body have an equal and essential right to be appreciated and respected. Why are so many swear words associated with the penis (or the vagina)??? Or sex generally??? Pretty sick situation. These are indications of a culture that's got a serious problem around sex, largely due to the misguided efforts of 3 churches over the past few thousand years...the Jewish, Muslim, and Christian churches. I certainly don't blame Jesus for that. I blame a long succession of guilt-haunted priests and religious authorities, who have misused his name. Too bad Jesus couldn't have stopped by and given them a good stiff lecture and straightened them out. (How's that for Freudian language, eh?) Mind you, they'd probably just have burned him at the stake or something like that...as an impostor or a heretic. Hooray for Jesus, and phooey on the flippin' churches! (most of 'em, that is) |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 11:50 AM OK,here we go.This is a bit on the wordy site but a couldnae figur oot whaur tae"cut it aff" so tae speak !! Btw ,ah never wrote this,ah got it aff the net. Now that I've got your attention, I'll go back and tell the whole story. Apologies if it gets a little lengthy, but this yarn deserves to be spun well. BTW, TAE THE MAN UPSTAIRS,FEEL FREE TAE DELETE THIS IF YE LIKE AS IT'S NO FOR WEAK STUMMICKS.
BACKGROUND
After I was circumcised as an infant, the wound was not taken care of with sufficient diligence, and it healed incorrectly. Portions of the raw edge of the remaining foreskin bonded to the glans, a little bit above the lower edge of the glans. This left a series of "skin bridges", basically sections of foreskin which can't be retracted, because they are fused to the glans at one end and the shaft at the other. These varied in width from about 1/16" to 1/4", and were attached off and on over about 2/3 of the circumference. This was never a major problem. It was a long time before I even realized it was abnormal. Everything functioned properly, but there were a few minor problems with it which made me wish I could fix it. Mainly,
It was a cosmetic defect -- it didn't look good.
It was tough to keep clean under the bridges -- I had to swab it with a Q-tip now and then to knock down smegma buildup.
Some of the most sensitive parts of the glans were hidden under relatively insensitive chunks of foreskin, robbing me of the proper stimulation which was mine and every man's birthright.
Now, all a doctor would do it sterilize it, numb it, cut it and bandage it. "Hell, maybe I can do that!", I thought. The problem was how to kill the pain. I experimented with cutting myself (with an x-acto knife), but seeing as it always hurt like hell before I even cut anything, I never went through with it.
Recently, I came back and studied the situation. Again, the problem with the self-surgery approach was dealing with pain. There had to be some way of numbing the area, but how? One winter day, it hit me.
SURGERY KIT Cuticle scissors (1 pair)
Rubbing alcohol (1 bottle)
Antibiotic ointment (1 tube)
Anti-bacterial soap (1 bottle)
Gauze pads (lots, various sizes)
Ice cubes (iodine added to water for sterility)
Clean Washcloth (freshly laundered with lots'o bleach)
Well-lit work area (the kitchen table)
PROCEDURE
Wipe down work area with alcohol. Clean penis with soap and water, then with alcohol. Wash hands thoroughly. Soak scissors in alcohol. Holding the ice cube with the washcloth (to prevent your fingers from going numb), apply the ice cube to the target area. Hold for 5 to 10 minutes, until area is numb.
Using the cuticle scissors, sever the skin bridge as closely as possible to its connection with the glans. Then sever the foreskin end of the bridge in such a location as to leave an even edge on the foreskin.
Use gauze pads and direct pressure to stop the bleeding, then apply antibiotic ointment and bandage.
THE OPERATIONS
Though the operations are not painful if done correctly, the healing process is a real pain in the ass. It also takes a certain state of mind to be able to cut your own flesh. I would kind of put myself into robo-man zombie mode for the operations, in that I never dwelled on what I was doing, I just mechanically plodded through all the steps without thinking about how totally gross it was.
Since the ice cube could only numb a small portion of the penis, and since I could only tolerate so much trauma to my dick in one session, it took 6 separate operations, spread out over a two week period, to cut/remove all of the skin bridges.
Operation #1 (Day 1)
The test cut. I chose a small thin skin bridge, about 1/16" across. I held the ice cube on for 5 minutes. The ice caused a peculiar kind of "cold ache", but it wasn't that bad. I gingerly made the cuts, and sliced through with no pain at all. There was some minor bleeding, but because of the speed at which I worked, I had finished and had the gauze on it before the wound had any chance to bleed significantly. After about 10 minutes the bleeding was stopped and I bandaged it up, no problem at all. Only a tiny little speck of flesh had been removed, rather unimpressive looking.
Operation #2 (Day 3)
Operation #1 turned out so well, I decided to go for big game this time. The target was the mother of all skin bridges, about 1/4" across and very thick and meaty. Again, I made the preparations and applied ice for 5 minutes.
I made the first cut along the glans, and was surprised at how much I had to bear down on the scissors. This skin was surprisingly tough. I finished that cut, and then turned my attention to the cut on the foreskin side. Wanting to get it done quickly, I decided that two large, powerful snips should do the job. I bore down and made the first cut, and realized with a shock that IT HURT LIKE HELL.
Well, it turns out that due to the thickness of the skin bridge on that end, the cold hadn't penetrated deeply enough, and it hadn't gone numb. So, I was left with a problem. I had a half severed bit of foreskin hanging off me, and no anesthetic. My only recourse was to finish the cut. I thought, "Shit. This will hurt". So I lined up the scissors, closed my eyes, and as quickly and powerfully as I could, I made the snip. My prediction was correct; it did hurt (don't you hate when you're right about things like that?). I managed to avoid shouting out, instead opting for a few simple gasps and whimpers.
I resolved to hold the ice on for much longer in future operations.
I spent the rest of the evening with nothing on below the waist, sitting in front of the TV with a few brews (this became standard procedure for all forthcoming operations). Any motion tended to make it break open and bleed again, so I moved around very little. I was functioning (that is, walking) almost normally again by the next day, but it took about 5 days before this one completely stopped oozing blood.
As I gingerly hobbled back into the kitchen for another brew, I spotted IT, the severed hunk-o-foreskin that I had left on the table. It was of fairly good size, about 1/2" by 1/4" and maybe as thick as a piece of bacon.
Suddenly, strange thoughts entered my skull, and a raging mental battle between good and evil ensued.
EVIL: "Eat the foreskin."
So, I ate it. Turns out it was very tough and chewy, kind of like biting a little piece of rubber. I chewed for about 5 minutes, but didn't make any progress on breaking it down, so I swallowed it. It had a little bit of blood flavor at first, but after that it had no flavor at all; rather disappointing in that respect. Maybe I should have cooked it.
Operation #3 (Day 10)
A medium sized cut. I held the ice cube on much longer (10 minutes instead of 5), so there was no problem with pain. Not nearly as much bleeding, but still a respectable amount.
A word about erections: they were a bad thing. Any hard-on would tear the wounds open and start them bleeding again. This would be a problem for about 3 or 4 days until the wounds had healed sufficiently. Basically, I had to spend a long, long time without even thinking a nasty thought. Of course, when I was asleep I had no control over the process, which would always result in me waking up with a dick that hurt and bloody bandages. I was really lovin' life at moments like these.
Operation #4 (Day 12)
Another medium sized cut, but with the added bonus of having a small vein (about 1 mm in diameter) running through the skin bridge. Now, the blood supply for the penis mainly runs through blood vessels buried deep inside. When you get down the the small vessels, the circulatory system becomes more of a spiderweb, with redundant paths going to every point. So I knew it wasn't actually dangerous to cut it, but it was still a kind of psychological obstacle. I expected this one to be a heavy bleeder, and I wasn't disappointed. It took about a full hour of direct pressure to get the severed ends of the vein to close up. Otherwise, not too much of a problem.
Operation #5 (Day 14)
I was planning on more time to let the others heal, but due to changes in the way skin tension was being applied to the remaining bridges (because I'd cut some others away), one small bridge was getting a lot of stress and starting to hurt. So I chopped it quick and easy, no real problems.
Operation #6 (Day 15)
The problem with operation #5 was that it just transferred the stress to the next bridge down the line. So even though I had about 3/4" of flesh left to cut, I resolved to do it all at once in one last cutting frenzy.
Due to the size of the operation, it took a while to complete (maybe 1 minute total), which gave the blood a chance to flow. I had to stop a few times and wipe away blood so I could see what I was doing.
Strangely, this didn't bother me at all. It seemed perfectly normal that I should be wiping up copious amounts of blood flowing from my bleeding pecker which I had sliced open myself.
Actually, it seemed kind of cool at the time, which led me to speculate at the time that I had gone insane, which I also thought was pretty cool.
Anyway, except for the excess blood which had dripped on to the chair, it went quite well. The only thing that really grossed me out was when I noticed I had blood all over my hands. If any psychoanalysts want to analyze that tidbit for me, feel free, though I really don't care.
The wounds are now completely healed, and the results are good.
Mainly:
Without the skin tension holding things back, total dick length has increased by 1/4". (Of course I've measured the length of my dick. Like you haven't?)
It's a great topic for dinnertime conversation. Women generally seem to find it quite interesting. Men generally turn kind of pale. With my newfound surgical skills, I've been contemplating a few more self-surgical procedures. You know, mole removal, wart removal, nose jobs, the whole vista of cosmetic surgery. I'll need some help for that mole on my back, which means training an assistant. Ah, the future looks interesting indeed |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:01 PM At first I was afraid this thread was just an attempt by a sore atheist to get the Christians riled up. But golly gee, of all the people riled up, none of them seem to be Christians. Which is fairly predictable. So far the Christians I've seen here on Mudcat have been pretty secure in their faith. As somebody (Lewis? Chesterton?) said, nobody runs down the street yelling, "The sun will rise tomorrow!" except people who are afraid it won't. It's people who are insecure in their own beliefs that can't stand to hear others talking about theirs. I'd love to hear more about what the Pagans, Jews, Muslims, etc. believe. Aside from this being interesting and helping me to understand and appreciate my own beliefs (and correct them where they err), the more you know about somebody, the harder it is to objectify them and make them "the enemy." But what do I know? I like folk music.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:25 PM Couldnae hae said it better masel Alex. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Troll Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:38 PM LJC, you are STRANGE. I like that in a person. Ten minutes with the ice, huh? (I have similar problems) Guest jon, go take a flying leap. Praise is nice people and doesn't deserve ANY crap from YOU. Whatever your problem is, take it somewhere else if you can't remain civil. If you don't like Praises posts, the answer is real simple but I'll spell it out for you so you will be sure to understand. DON"T READ THEM. There. Wasn't that easy? And if you are a good boy, next week we'll teach you to tie your own shoes. troll |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:46 PM 1. On "Penis Envy:" Freud was a filthy old misogynist who projected his insecurities on the neurotic old ladies he treated. What he really envied was the fact that they were "getting it" and he wasn't. IMHO. 2. LJC, you failed to address the real question that arises from your lurid tale, at least for us guys. HOW DOES IT AFFECT PERFORMANCE?!
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:51 PM Ah dinnae hae clue Alex,as ah said ah never wrote it.Mah Willie is workin fine,ta very much. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:54 PM LJC, daen't they ca' it a "pego" up in Caledonia? |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: annamill Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:57 PM With all due respect, and love, for my Christian friends, and having proved to my satisfaction That Jesus Christ had a penis, am I the only one who has other questions regarding his manhood?? (I tend to ignore flaming) I never heard anything about him being married that I can remember, though there were questions bandied about regarding Mary Magdelana weren't there? hmm, interesting thought. Never occurred to me before. He was a man though. I'm not playing or being facecious, just curious. Love, annamill |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:05 PM Never heard o it Matt. Regardin the Big Yins marital status if ye can get yere hauns on the book"Holy Blood-Holy Grail" ye can unfold anither piece o the puzzle.Noo ah'm no endorsin the book, ah'm jist sayin it is very interestin. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:07 PM The stuff about Mary Magdalene is 1. very recent, and 2. usually brought up by people attempting to discredit Jesus, or who have some other axe to grind. Any historical evidence we have indicates he was a single guy throughout his earthly life. Does this cast aspersions upon his "manhood"? That seems a very cynical and prejudicial view of singleness.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:08 PM Little John,it sounds like your surgical efforts were much more successful than my attempts to remove my own appendix under a general anaesthetic.However,if I finally do succeed,I will marinate it,bread it,and send it to you by post with a bottle of Coleman's Mustard. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:12 PM Sounds guid LJ. Talkin aboot Colemans mustard,did ye know that they made their money aff the mustard that fowk never ate? There wis aye a big blob on the plate when aw the food wis gone. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: annamill Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:17 PM Oh MT, I wasn't attempting to discredit Jesus, or casting aspersions upon his "manhood". To me he was just a man, and I'm just curious if he was like other men in his needs. He certainly died like a man with all the pain and agony any man would feel. Why wouldn't he have other manly feelings too? And, for goodness sakes, why do feel having sex would diminish him in any way? SEX IS GOOD! Love, annamill |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:23 PM I know you weren't trying to disparage Jesus, Annamill, but many have. I'm sorry if what I wrote made it sound like I was blaming you. Sex is good but it's not the only good, nor the highest. The historical record shows he was single. The religion he belonged to reserved sex for marriage. Hence, we believe he was celibate. Does this mean we think sex is bad? No, it does not. Indeed, it doesn't imply any opinion about sex one way or the other.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:33 PM LJ....I think you may have |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: The Shambles Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:46 PM In pre Viagra days, it brings a whole new concept to 'Stand up Stand up for Jesus'. Pumped full with irony.....
To be serious for a moment. Whether the 'Son of God' was intact I would not know. The historical Jesus undoubted was. But then again, if his rather unusual unusual, for those days, un-wed state is to be believed, it may account for why he was un-married. I suspect that this un-wed state was a little bit more of St Paul, the spin doctor. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Amos Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:52 PM Good or bad, sex sure is human. And given that he was on his thirties or later when he got nailed, Big J had the normal experiences of the flesh. That means he got erections annd was conscious of the DNA-driven electricity that starts snapping and popping around human bodies in the presence of certain signals. whether extremely subtle (such as telepathic links, minute glances, faint traces of chemistry or certain electronic wavelegths) pr gross (such as direct flirtation, suggestion, contact, etc.)
I don't think anyone who has grown up male has managed to stay unaware of these dynamics, and I think the whole question of cultural overlays defining what one "should" do in the presence of such stimuli should be omitted from the question as trivial and irrelevant. Some of the reasons: I doubt anyone could correctly and clearly describe the real cultural signals that a youth of his time and place and heritage would have been exposed to; although it is kind of fun to speculate on what it would have been like growing up over at Mary and Joe's place or places, learning to walk, discovering toilet training (how did they manage that?), learning to point when you pee, and learning where all the local paths, hidey-holes, good fort places, best trees and cute neighborhood similar-aged girls were. What do you reckon it would have been like at around eleven to thirteen to start to go through the boy-to-man transforms, voice, hair, balls and all, at the same time as you were beginning to notice your own forect path to the Infinite and All-Powerful of the whole Universe? Mary, who was in on the whole scheme, would probably have known better than to yell at him to stop talking to himself, it'll stunt your growth, and such like maternal responses. Joseph apparently got all his insight into the lad second hand, which he was obviously willing to do. So maybe he would occasionally slip into some kind of paternal archetype like, oh, telling th eboy he'd better not sass his Mom any more if he knew what was good for him. How do you handle that if you're only 13 or 14 or so and saddled with half-built muscles and a hot-line to God??? Interesting temptation, I imagine. (If my folks don't start treating me better I'll get them blasted! That's what I'll do!!) Or, conversely, did he spend his whole maturation endowed with a kind of otherworldly tranquility beyond all normal physical and cultural measure? Dunno. But given that he was made in the human form, there is no question, if we accept the premise, that we have to include erections, seminal fluid, sweat, spittle, and all the other concomitants of running a meat-based body around. Otherwise we are not being consistent to our own assertions -- in other words, just dicking around. A |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:58 PM HAH! I'm surprised it took the armchair psychologists this long to level their bogus charges of mental instability to anyone who doesn't choose to philosophize or mitigate or excuse poor taste. LOL! Of course, no chance of their projecting their own psychoses on others, yes? Yo, Trollo! Talk about Big Diddly's middle school humor! Pretty pitiful attempt. Maybe this week someone can teach you to wipe your own butt. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: annamill Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:59 PM I still love you Amos! You just put my thoughts into words. Thanks. Love, annamill |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:04 PM Is that what you were doing, GUEST Jon? Sure sounded to me like you were just being an asshole. Still does. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: bbelle Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:11 PM Personally, and this IS my personal opinion, I find the title of this thread offensive, and am embarrassed that I even ventured in. Having said that, I have obviously broken my vow to myself to not venture into any thread with trolling components. I am Jewish and find the title and original subject matter disrespectful towards my friends who do believe in Jesus. No matter what I think about "Christian" threads, this is disrespectful. And, I would expect the same support should someone attack my faith and feel confident it would be forthcoming. Alex ... as for educating yourself on the religious beliefs of others, I commend you for your thirst, however, mine are personal and I never feel the need to discuss or explain them. They are what they are. I'm sure others will be more than happy to assist you. Jenny |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:30 PM Thanks for your insightful commentary, Mouse. Am I supposed to call YOU a name now? You forgot your cute little rebus, by the way. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:33 PM Never a dull moment,eh? For those ye wha wid like tae inquire intae the subject o the "Big Yin" withoot stertin anither WAR hae a look here, http://www.freeweb.org/freeweb/newage/jesus.html?p
Noo regardless o beliefS,Christian or Otherwise this is very interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Tinker Date: 03 Nov 00 - 03:37 PM Annamill, You aren't the first to question and there are treatise out there of "complicated" scholarship and international best seller status which set out to explain that a) Jesus and Mary Magdeline were married. b) Had a daughter and two sons c) This lineage is the basis of the divine rite of Kings d) Arthurian Legends and the Holy Grail also come out of this quest. etc. etc. Oh,did I mention the conspiracy to keep this information out of public reach? I enjoy a good intellectual tangle, but this one is CONVOLUTED & COMPLICATED. If anyone has any interest you can find it here...
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2301/bookish.html |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 03:40 PM Ah, a conspiracy theory! This should juice up the thread!
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Troll Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:07 PM I learned that LAST week, Jon Boy, while you were in remedial breathing class. Next week we are going to take on drinking from a glass. Tryn to be on time for a change. troll |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:30 PM Troll, who are you answering and regarding what?
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: annamill Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:37 PM Moonjen, did you read all the postings? No one attacked anyone's religion, there are just questions and curiosities. Agreed some of the postings are a bit childish, but we ignore those, right. Basically, this is an interesting thread and when I get home, if I'm not wiped, I'm going to explore those links. I mean, you know Moses and David was married and had children. We know almost nothing of Jesus's life before age 32 and death. I'm curious. Love, annamill |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Greg F. Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:45 PM Troll, I think you meant that last post to go HERE, didn't you? Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Mrrzy Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:28 PM (Shamefully admitting not having read the whole thread but wishing to add a thought) - aah, but did he have a BELLY-BUTTON? |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:50 PM Why wouldn't he have a belly-button? Maybe you're mistaking him with Adam.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Troll Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:06 PM No, Greg. It went where I wanted it to go. I was just answering Guest Jon's post to me. In kind. troll |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: bbelle Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:07 PM anna ... I was referring to the original intent of the thread, which was most certainly to denigrate those who have a strong belief in Christianity. One has only to read the posts of Guest,Jon to know that. Had a mudcatter asked the question, I believe the title would have been more respectful. Jenny |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:33 PM Nothing of the kind, Jenny. I stated at least once above I have nothing whatsoever against practitioners of any type of superstitious magic,Christianity included. I do denigrate vulgar display, questionable taste, and persistance in a behaviour others have said is offensive to them. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:36 PM Alex - I thoroughly appreciate your comments above in your 03-Nov-00 - 12:01 PM posting. Very well said. I originally expected this thread to possibly be somewhat disrespectful, and took a few days before I investigated it, but actually I think it's mostly been very good. BTW, there are some very interesting alternate sources (to the Bible) which suggest that Jesus: a) fell in love once, and considered marriage, but decided against it for various reasons having to do with his spiritual work (see: The Aquarian Gospel of Christ - by Levi) b) actually did marry Mary Magdalene and had children by her (I can't give you a title on that...maybe ask Little John Cameron about it...I bet he knows) Either of those may in fact be the true story. The books in question are entirely serious, and deeply respectful of Christ and of his Gospel in every way, although they differ in some areas from the commonly accepted version of his life. I think that a reading of them would only deepen and confirm a Christian's faith, regardless of whether or not the premises set forth in them were accepted or not by the reader. This assuming that the reader in question is not deathly afraid of even considering a new wrinkle on an old story. Such a person is basically unreachable, since he figures he ALREADY knows it all. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:46 PM Thank you, LH. Actually my reason for not reading those books is that I trust the people who compiled the NT and who defined Xianity in its early days to have done a good job, so I don't think I'm likely to believe them, and I have enough things to read without delving into long-solved debates (we're talking centuries here) which brighter minds than mine (i know, not hard) have already wrestled with. But if you were over at my house and we were drinking wine (i dislike beer) together and pulled it out and said, "read this" and the passage was short enough, I certainly would. Guest Jon, do you really not think you will ruffle feathers by calling Christianity "superstitious magic"? Or that it's not offensive and insulting? You say you denigrate persistence in offensive behavior; yours is offensive. Now that you've been told, you will either stop doing it, or give the lie to your stated morals. Moonjen: Thanks for your concern on our behalf. But really, we get this sort of "Jesus' Penis" thing all the time, and while it's offensive and obnoxious, most of us don't lose too much sleep over it. This is nothing compared to the "GUEST" on the other thread who said she wished I had been aborted. Now THAT is troublesome. Everybody have a great weekend, and DO try to be civil.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:33 PM Mouse, I haven't singled Christianity out. Its only one of the many forms of superstitious magic a.k.a.'religion' practised around the globe. Christianity is no better nor worse than the others. But I take your point as to being put on notice. Tell you what- let's try a compromise. Praise has been told repeatedly over many months by many people that they object to her witnessing & such. You get her to pack it in, & I will, too. Deal? Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Tinker Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:34 PM Little Hawk, the other may well be Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Laurence Gardner which I gave a web adddress to above. Sorry MT but it's about 500 pages of footnoted history. It's very involved but I did read all of it a few years ago.I found it a little much to swallow whole, but it raises some interesting questions. As a female Christian I've a lot less faith in the infalibility of the early church fathers to decide conclusively what is "appropriate" and "acceptable". Those wonderful Irish folks infact were still ordaining women as priest well into the 6th century. And Brigid was a Bishop. But there's just enough message and light to keep me journeying and digging out the buried bits of past now and then.... Tinker |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 03 Nov 00 - 08:40 PM The wis a braw pint ah,though a had tae leave there tae as an argyment stertit there as weel,aboot whit side o the road ye walk if ye are LEADIN a horse an cairt.Seems ye cannae go oneywhere withoot a barney. Ah mentioned H.B.H.G. Book awready LH but as ah said then it is jist an interestin book. "As far as ah'm concerned"the ane wi the answers is The Grail Message"IN THE LIGHT OF TRUTH"ah telt ye aboot it afore.Yese'll hae tae find it yersels as ah dinnae mind the url.It'll be on yer search engines nae doot. Hi Tinker,the early Celtic church wis different aw thegither fae the Roman ane.When the High Heid Yins in the Roman church decided that they wid tak ower the show an that ye had tae believe them or ye wid be set on fire or tortured that wis when the ball wis up on the roof. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Troll Date: 03 Nov 00 - 10:25 PM Moral standards that are open to compromise are not moral standards at all. They are simply expedients. this lack of true moral standards suggests a real need for a system of ethics such as are found in religion, philosophy, and the like. I do not know why, Guest Jon, you seem to have such a problem with Praise. I have personally found her to be a very warm and caring woman. I have never seen her force her aid on anyone who did not want it but to those who ask it, she gives unstintingly of her time. Her faith is who she is. The few times that I have seen someone take offense at something she has said, she has apologized and tried to explain why she said it. Obviously, there is a history here of which I am unaware.Perhaps if you stated plainly what you have against Praise, the rest of us might be a little more understanding of your position. Or you can continue on your present course. It's really up to you. troll |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: katlaughing Date: 04 Nov 00 - 02:21 AM Two highly recommended books, "The Secret Doctrines of Jesus" and "The Mystical Life of Jesus." Both can usually be found at the used books sites, such as Bibliofind. The author is H. Spencer Lewis. The were written in the 20's or 30's, can't remember exact date, so the vernacular is a little formal and odd, but they shed a lot of light, IMO, on some of the things brought up in this thread. kat |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 04 Nov 00 - 04:20 AM I am just surprised that no one has posted song lyrics-- |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 00 - 01:53 PM Wrong, Trollo!! Are you sitting on your brains? I've said this before, and I'll try one more time (this is in English, now. Make sure the simultaneous translater is on): I am NOT directing this only or specifically at Praise. Get it? She is one of a group. She has, however, chosen to elect herself as spokesperson for the MCCC (Mudact Christian Coalition) and as such, I suggested to the Mouse that he deal with her. OK? Oh, and you missed a bit on your left hemisphere- try wiping again, maybe with both hands? |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: Troll Date: 04 Nov 00 - 01:57 PM Guest Jon. Your posting merely proves my point. troll |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: little john cameron Date: 04 Nov 00 - 02:04 PM JON, read whit ye jist said.Troll,yere richt on. ljc |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: mousethief Date: 04 Nov 00 - 02:13 PM Jon, I don't make deals with bullies. Further, I challenge you to point me to a thread where Praise was proselytizing rather than just talking about her faith. If you are an honest man, you will stop insulting religion by calling it "superstitious magic" or other such epithets. It's up to you to show us just how honorable you are. It's not up to us. You said, "I do denigrate vulgar display, questionable taste, and persistance in a behaviour others have said is offensive to them." You didn't say anything about how the offender was being treated, or what his/her opinions were about those he was offending. If you continue being offensive, you are nothing but a hypocrite. People who are only nice to people who are nice to them, or whose opinions they approve of, aren't honorable, they're just wily. Again, my statement must stand: the Christians here have dished out far less abuse than they have received. If you don't like that, it's time for you to do something about it: namely, stop being abusive. If you find any Christians being abusive, by all means let me know. I'll chew them out too. Civility is not an option if a community is to thrive. It is a necessity.
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 04 Nov 00 - 06:28 PM It is worth noting, Jon, that your opinion that of the hundreds millions religious people in the world (and of their respective religions) are followers of superstitious magic, is very simply, your opinion--doubtless, you have your reasons for believing such a thing, but it isn't implicitly true, and when you carry on the way you are, you seem to be saying that nearly everyone in the world is wrong but you-- I think that you probably will need a more graceful manner, and a more organized presentation, if you want to get anywhere with your ideas--
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,Jon Date: 04 Nov 00 - 08:00 PM Thanks for the civil post, Ted, but you're belaboring the obvious- what are any of the items on this forum but the opinion of the person that posts them? Unless you're suggesting that certain individuals hear speak with God's authority? I'll work on my presentation skills for next time- I'm sure that the Hallelujah Chorus will pick up again before too long. I count religion but a childish toy, And hold there is no sin but ignorance. -Christopher Marlowe (ca. 1589) Yours in Christ. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Jesus' Penis From: GUEST,dtking Date: 04 Nov 00 - 10:00 PM Well, this was a fascinating thread. I would have ignored it, except for the 99 replies. Some of them are thoughtful, curteous and entertaining. The topic may be trivial or offensive to some, but at its core is the universal quest for clues to the nature of god. dtk |
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