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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 07:18 PM BTW, GfinS... Romney collected $22M in June from donors $250 and down but... Romney collected $83.8M from 34,000 donors which averages $2400 per donor... Throw in the Citizen Cowards United $$$ going into Crossroads, et al, and what we are seeing is an all out push by the very wealthy to shut everyone up but Boss Hog... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Jul 12 - 07:42 PM Jack, what I meant in plain words is that the banks that got robbed were bailed out by the taxpayer. No one will get elected on an austerity budget designed to pay the national debt within a reasonable time. People don't want to hear that and see millionaires and billionaires being created in and with Washington's help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:20 PM To paraphrase William Wordsworth, Franklin Delano Roosevelt! Thou shouldst be living in this hour!I had high hopes for Obama, but I have been somewhat disappointed with what he has managed to accomplish so far. I'm fully aware that he has had a Congress that is Hell-Bent on blocking everything he has tried to do—and frankly, I'm not psychic, so I don't know what all goes on behind the scenes. Nor, for that matter, do others around here who claim they do, even though their information comes from sources like Livingston's Liberty Alerts and other Right-Wing and Tea Party blogs. But Roosevelt had tremendous force of personality, and in similar circumstances—the country in the depths of the Great Depression and a Congress that tried to block everything he tried, he got us out of the Depression, put the country back to work, and instituted a number of regulatory agencies to prevent the Force$ of Darkne$$ from doing it all over again. And NO, he didn't get us out of the Depression by starting World War II, like a lot of Republicans and other ignoramuses try to claim!! We were well out of it before Pearl Harbor. I was there, and I'm an old enough Old Fart to remember! It's taken Ronald Reagan and a bunch of other of Wall Street's puppets over thirty years to dismantle or render impotent the regulatory agencies that Roosevelt started, and Surprise Surprise, look where we are NOW! Roosevelt may have had to govern the country from a wheelchair, but that man could kick butt when he needed to! I wish there were someone out there with whatever it was that Roosevelt had. I'm sure as hell not going to vote for Romney. Kucinich isn't running, nor is Ralph Nader. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Ayn Rand's ideal world, and if he gets in, I'm leaving for Alpha Centauri, even if I have to swim all the way! That leaves Barack Obama. If anyone has a viable better alternative, let them speak out, or forever stuff a sock in it!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:27 PM That bailout was planned and made necessary by Henry Paulson. Put it this way If the Secretary of the Treasury stand up and says in effect "If the banks aren't bailed out then confidence in the banking system will collapse." Then it does not matter if that was true or not the nanosecond before he said it. It becomes true from that moment on. I think there was a good chance that Paulson saw this coming for a while a and orchestrated the timing it to maximize the benefit to Goldman Sachs and the damage to President Elect Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:30 PM Romney will get elected pushing austerity... The entire TeaPub party is all austerity with 100% of deficit cutting on spending cuts... But when you have enough $$$ to sugar coat it and run negative ads against the other guys then the monkey's will pull the correct lever... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:34 PM Bobert He is not technically pushing austerity, he is saying that the stimulus from tax cuts will create jobs and lower the deficit. Just like it did under Reagan and Bush. Which of course, in the long run, they didn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 09:50 PM Bobert: "But when you have enough $$$ to sugar coat it and run negative ads against the other guys then the monkey's will pull the correct lever..." Ah!..Nice to see you are reading my posts, and understanding them, in a good way! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 10:02 PM I'm not reading your posts, GfinS... (Then how did you know what GfinS wrote, Boberdz???) Okay, I read one... But back to JtS... Yes, Romney, if you take the sugar coating off, is saying that he is 100% for austerity because he ignores that a thriving economy is dependent on public employees... You take them out of the equation and you have a major problem at any time, recession or not... These people serve the rest of the country... They do all kinds of shit that is really shit... They fight fires... They take water samples... They keep terrorist from hurting out people... They educate our kids... They... They... They... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 10:08 PM No wonder nothing dumb was said in the next post! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 11 Jul 12 - 01:49 AM Jack, we agree on something at last. Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. I do not blame Obama for the bailout. I blame Bush, completely and entirely. It wasn't like Obama had much of a choice figuring he picked up a bad hand from day one of his administration. They were not his debts and neither were Iraq and Afghanistan his wars. He just had to sweep up on desolation row. Were I voting in this election I would place it on Obama. I think a Republican win would herald the last days of the USA as you know it. Too many aspects of American politics (it gives Canadians a picture of what we too are fast becoming--we always try out shit that fails somewhere else, usually prompted to do so by big money interests for what reasons I'm sure I could only guess at) are tied to money. That is not what the early dudes who designed The Constitution had in mind. I think they envisioned people serving their government for a few years and then going back to their farms and towns to resume their occupations. These days they do investments and stay until they get caught doing something illegal, immoral, indecent or just downright stupid. Few of the early HR folks had squat to invest. Now it seems you can't be a politician without having an investment portfolio, and if you don't have one going in, you will when you leave. That aside, I think there is a need for a fourth party in the US, but one with a chance to force both Republicans and Democrats into line. Money has to be taken away from those who have it, not those who don't. The influence of money over government as it stands today is beyond ubiquitous--it is also blatant. Too many decisions to protect the moneyed classes, leaving the only explanation--too many judges are being told what the law is, and here we thought they knew that before becoming judges. Take away the people's voice and voila, one would have a communications system much like that exemplified by present-day media in the USA. And it is ultimately controlled by very few people. Despite being in breach of what once were called anti-monopoly laws and Competition laws (often called antitrust laws), it seems that bit by bit the laws have changed and if not welcome at least accept the breaches. My reference to a fourth party was a tacit recognition that lunatics already have the Tea Party, but since they seem to come from the Republican training camp they likely fall in that group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:14 AM Bruce, The Tea Party is a subset of the GOP. In the beginning they were a bit of a coalition. But since 2010 they have been nothing but the fanatical branch of the GOP. We have the Greens and the Libertarians but they are a couple of percentage points, each. The way I see it, before we have a third major party, which would be wonderful, then everyone who is not a fundamentalist-constitution-distorting-tax-is-of-the-devil-Koch & Art Pope sponsored lunatic, has to band together and defeat those who are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:54 AM Here is what is going to have to happen before the US can get back to "we the people"... Someone like Romney will have to be elected with enough TeaPubs in both chambers of Congress to almost crush the New Deal... Then the people who are so anxious to parrot the TeaPub fight song will clearly see that they have been voting against their own interests... If Obama gets bought out then we might be a step closer to riding our country of the "me, me, me" mentality of the Koch borthers and their super wealthy pals who, BTW, are cowards because they are spending hundreds of million$ on attack ads while hiding in their castles... The Magna Carta goes back to 1215 AD and in it is the principle of one having the right to face one's accuser... No more with Citizen Cowards United... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:36 AM Then the people who are so anxious to parrot the TeaPub fight song will clearly see that they have been voting against their own interests... Why should they? They've been voting against their own interests for generations, since way before the current cancer that is the Tea Party, and the Boobocracy will contiue to do so until they vote themselves into a grave. As far as crushing the New Deal, we're already most of the way there, and the Boobocracy is cheering on the destruction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:45 AM There is a point in time when the pea-under-the-shell game loses it's entertainment value... When the Romney/TeaPub express goes after these folks Medicare and Social Security the push back is going to be fierce... And the TeaPubs and Romney are so out of touch they will try it... Look what happened when Paul Ryan so much as suggested privatizing Medicare... The TeaPubns are playing with fire and don't know it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:44 AM Like Obama's college transcripts? Which shell are they under? "When President Obama gave the commencement address last week at the Air Force Academy, he congratulated the cadets for excelling at one of the most demanding schools in the country. But decades after Mr. Obama completed his own college course work, his academic performance is still a mystery. Before and after his election as president, Mr. Obama has refused to release his college transcripts from his days as an undergraduate and a law school student. Most presidents' academic records are made public by the time they reach the highest office in the land, either with their consent or by someone else digging them up. There's no reason why people shouldn't know, said Stephen Hess, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who focuses on the presidency. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:46 AM goes after these folks Medicare and Social Security the push back is going to be fierce Sorry, but no. The Boobocracy is IN FAVOR of privatizing both. By the time they realize - assuming they ever do - they've been screwed it'll be too late. Ya gotta have more faith in Good Old American Stupidity, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:26 AM There's no reason why people shouldn't know, said Stephen Hess More to the point, there's no reason why they should. Or is this what the lunatic "Birthers" have moved on to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:23 PM Has anyone released Obama's Occidental College transcripts? No, the transcripts haven't been released (federal privacy laws forbid it), nor has any court of law "ordered" them released. (Source: Occidental College) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:54 PM So once again, Sawzaw is making it up as he goes along. Or getting his information out of one of the Right Wing internet septic tanks. If they made Barack Obama editor of the Harvard Law Review, he couldn't have been doing too badly academically. Check the smorgasbörd again, Sawzaw. Maybe you can find a dish with a clue on it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:03 PM Wow that really hurts. My lip is all poked out cause Don beat me up on the playground again. What did he do at the Harvard Law review? But what is Obama hiding? Is Romney hiding his? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:37 PM He was EDITOR of the Harvard Law Review. As I said. It is a very prestigious and highly respected law journal. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:46 PM "What did he do at the Harvard Law review?" I think that as the editor. It probably means he edited it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:51 PM You have heard of the Harvard Law Review haven't you, Sawzaw? Careful. Don't trip over your lower lip. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:01 PM Mighty tough not to trip with a swollen lip and foot in mouth... Yo, Greg F, I disagree with your premise that there won't be push back when a Romney/TeaPub administration goes after Social Security and Medicare... George Bush tried it and got bloodied... Paul Ryan tried it and got bloodied... AARP is already running ads with the subtle message of, "Don't mess with us" and is certainly aimed at the TeaPubs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:43 PM SIGH Does he also believe in the tooth fairy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:01 PM Well??? He does... All four of them... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:12 PM To vote, or not vote for a person, based on their skin color, is 'racism' and 'bigotry', wouldn't YOU, of all people, would say??..and listen to you now!! Closet hypocrites! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:17 PM This just in... Romney claims to have met with black leaders after his NAACP speech today but... ...NAACP leaders say it's not true... Seems Romney has some black folks on his paid staff and he met with his employees... Now you funny, too, Mitt... And a liar, but hey??? No one is perfect, Mitt... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:55 PM Here is an example of *real* bigoted racist: "First of all, I do find the term Negro offensive and patronizing. With that said, I too am concerned about the continued variance on educational and emplyment between blacks and whites. I believe a national discussion on race is long overdue and America very much needs to not dance around *slavery*. Slavery still haunts our society some 140 years after the Emancipation Procamation. We also need to refocus resources that will provide hope to the inner city population, black and white. We are not doing a very good job on the. I remember when the summer jobs program was funded somewhat adaqutely and it had a level of success. We also need to spend oney on a PR program that offers some alternatives to the "cool" to be either *less cool* or *more cool* depending of ones defination. I think that people who feel disenfranchised are not going to walk the extra mile for acceptance. I'm not say that some won't but the most won't. Unfortuately, we're not going to move on creating a more hopeful society under the current administration. Not that the last one was all that great, but it was way beyond the current administration. Bobert I don't consider Condi a token Negro but very much a house Negro. I consider Condi squarely in the house Negro category. No racism here Just fact. Condi Rice would be no safer in some of the nieghborhoods I know down in D.C. than Bush, Boss Hog or George Wallace, fir that matter... [does this mean the people in those areas are violent racists?] Bobert In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring. Oh sure, he'll promote lots of folks to the position of House Negro but you can be sure that these folks won't get any higher than that position, Condi being Exhibit A... Bobert First of all, Dougie, I know my way around a dojo, so neither House Negro Condi of House Negro Colin scare me in the slightest. If either or both of 'um make a move toward me you'll be helping them up off the floor. No brag. Just fact. Secondly, if they were standing right here, right now in front of me, yeah, I'd confront 'um. They are House Negros. Study a little "History of the South". I took it in college. And that was in Richmond, Va., the capitol of the Confederacy. C & C are very much House Negros in that they do the massa's bidding... They are not folks in power but probably less powerful than the average guy on the street since they have both sold out to whitey That's what House Negros do... Sell out... Problem I have with Clarence Thomas isn't that he's trying to get along but with whom... His decisions are not world view decisions... They are, excuse me, Uncle Tom decisons... He is, IMO, what was once know as a Porch (house) Negro Well danged, pdc, shes a lot easier on the eyes than the other porch negro, Colin Princeton wordnet: whitey, honky, honkey, honkie ((slang) offensive names for a White man) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:09 PM Sorry, Sawz, but as per usual, like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the entire world I just scrolled right on by your shit... But have a nice night... B:~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:22 PM Bobert, the way you answer Sawzaw, is making it look like you have no answer...and he's kicking your butt, with facts, or allegations(whatever), and you just call him a bunch of names, like you're the 'ninny'. I'd suggest, if you have some decent facts, or info, to counter him, then lay it out. You say the Democrats are so 'right on', but your responses are 'right out of second grade'. That goes for Jack and Don, or any of you who support him, as well. THAT WAY, maybe we could all 'learn' (Read: be indoctrinated with the same talking points)..and a more intelligent dialogue can take place. Nobody is interested in your unsubstantiated opinions, but rather WHY you think the way you do, in regards to your beliefs! Who knows, you might convert someone....if your guys rap held water...but nobody knows what it is! We know what Sawzaw is pointing out, and like I said earlier, he's making you guys look completely immature....then again..maybe you are, but you are assuming that 'everybody' knows, down deep inside, why Obama is so great....but all we know, is that he is acting like a desperate, candidate, surrounded by frantic froth machines. OK??..Give it a whirl....you may or may not convince Sawzaw, but there are other readers..and quite a few 'undecideds'....and from what I've read, you guys are the BEST case for NOT voting for Obama, if his following, can't give a straight answer....God only knows, he doesn't!! Respectfully, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:17 AM Bobert really knows how to string two intelligent thoughts together. The shit I posted was his shit and it stinks so bad he can't even stand it himself. "In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:52 AM At the speech, Romney told a predominantly Black audience that he was gonna do away with inessentials such as Obamacare. He was booed. Guess he forgot he was addressing people who don't have offshore accounts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:42 AM NAACP conference is not just any "predominantly Black" audience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:09 AM I'm aware of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:28 AM Yo, GfinS... I no longer read Sawz stuff but in scrolling by it can't help but notice "Bobert" so that can mean only one thing... OCD still not in check... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:31 AM Romney gets points for at least speaking before the NAACP... Loses points, however, for not doing his homework and tailoring the speech to his audience... At best??? A draw... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Allan C. Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:13 PM I don't know why everyone is so intent upon badmouthing this guy. Romney simply can't help that he is so used to fondling big money, so used to having friends who OWN race cars, so steeped in the vapid waters of his party and its policies that he is entirely out of touch with the reality that real people who live more normal lives face on a daily basis. The scary part will come when he chooses a running mate. Just imagine what life would be like if Romney gained the presidency and then some sort of OTHER catastrophe occurred that would force his chosen VP into office. Frankly, as to this last, I find it hard enough to believe in most of the presidential candidates I've encountered in my voting life, much less finding any VP or would-be VP in whom I would trust the presidency. But this is just my own opinion and brief rant. That said, I bid you all good day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:25 PM Well, well, well... Seems that Romney has now been "caught" in the BIG LIE of all BIG LIES... The Washington Post will be reporting tomorrow morning that Romney stayed on as CEO of Bane Capital 3 years longer than what he is saying publicly... He's in the deep shit now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:53 PM Honest, officer, I have never seen that gun before and I have no idea how it got in my holster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM The liar lied about being CEO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:38 PM Conway Twitty wrote a song entitled "This Time I've Hurt Her More Than She Loves Me".... One line in that song goes: "The last lie I told her was the one she didn't believe..." This one might be that last lie for Romney... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Jul 12 - 11:18 PM Evidently Mr X is more racist than Romney. He believes "In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power." Did Romney ever say anything like that? I heard Condi was on his VP list. I betcha Romney know how many jobs need to be created to break even. But Jack? Blowhard #2? He is too busy with his anti Romney hate, hate, lie, lie campaign to deal with facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:54 AM "Not to split hairs, LH, but I think that token is a tad threadbare. And it really doesn't covey how Condi and Colin have served the massa. They are house negroes, very much in the tradition of the Old South. They are like white people in that they are of privildge. During the days of slavery they were generally the cruelest people on the plantation. Token I'd take. House negroes is a differnt story becuase they themselves are dangerous people..." B****t |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:06 AM This type of thing detracts from the fact that Powell was a moderate voice until his resignation in 2004. He spent too much of his time arguing with Cheney and Rumsfeld. "House Negro" my ass. He was never any such thing. He is one of few people who actually stood up to the Bush administration. He was the one who wanted to enter into talks with nuclear powers and potentials like Iran. Say what y'all want about Powell, that won't change the facts. He was a good man for a Republican. I wish we had a few of him around today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 12:48 PM Is rigging the NAACP crowd lying? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:04 PM From Rachel's blog......"Mitt's Latest Mendacity".....I did the copy and paste in honor of Sawzshit.................... 1. In an interview with Fox Business Network's Neil Cavuto, Romney insisted, "Obamacare is killing jobs." There is literally no evidence to support this claim in any way. 2. In the same interview, Romney, asked about his tax returns, said, "We have of course released all of the financial statements that are required by law and then released two years of tax returns." Actually, he's only released his tax returns for one full year. Two years wouldn't be enough, but it'd be an improvement. 3. Romney also told Cavuto, of the existing disclosure, "So tax information is there and other financial disclosure is there." I wish that were true, but the whole point of the recent controversy is that "other financial disclosure" isn't there. We learned about his shell corporation in Bermuda based on one year's tax returns, but we don't know what other disclosures exist because Romney has kept previous returns hidden from the public. 4. Also on Fox Business, Romney said his tax disclosures include "the same information" John Kerry released during his 2004 campaign. That's plainly false. During his presidential run eight years ago, Kerry released five years of tax returns, and during his Senate campaigns, made a habit of releasing several years' worth of tax documents as part of a commitment to disclosure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Criticizing President Obama's tax-cut plan, Romney said the proposal constitutes "a massive tax increase." Well, that's obviously a subjective matter, but in reality, 98% of Americans would get a tax cut under the plan. 6. Attacking the same plan, Romney said the White House plan "is the sort of thing only an extreme liberal could come up with." "Extreme liberals" aren't the only people who can think of middle-class tax cut, and there's really nothing "extreme" at all about the president's proposal. 7. At a town-hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colorado, Romney claimed Obama is "putting money into energy companies, solar and wind energy companies that end up making their products outside the United States." Every aspect to this claim is patently untrue. 8. At the same event, Romney claimed, "This president has increased the rate of new major regulations by about threefold over his predecessor." That's false. Obama approved fewer regulations in his first three years in office than Bush did in his first three years. 9. Romney added, "I'm going to look at all the programs we have in government and ask this question: Is this program so critical to America that it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?" At a minimum, that's misleading. The implication here is that U.S. debt is financed by the Chinese, but this isn't true -- China only holds about 8% of the nation's debt. 10. Romney went on to say he's "going to get rid of ObamaCare" so the government won't have to borrow more money. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act will save over $100 billion over the next decade, and over $1 trillion in the decade after that. Romney has it backwards -- we would need to borrow more money if he does "get rid of Obamacare." 11. He added that "dreams are being crushed when taxes go up and up and up on job creators." Taxes haven't gone up; they've gone down. In fact, Americans' federal tax burden has down and down and down, reaching a 30-year low after Obama cut taxes in 2009. 12. At the same event, Romney said the Affordable Care Act "cuts Medicare by $500 billion." Romney says this a lot. He's not telling the truth. 13. He also said "no, no, no" to the notion that he would "cut" Medicare. Romney endorsed Paul Ryan's House Republican Budget plan, which ends the Medicare program and replaces it with a private voucher scheme. 14. In response to a question about the tax code, Romney argued, "For me ... this campaign is about the middle class, and about the poor. It's not about the rich. The rich are going to do fine, whosever elected." First, Romney intends to give the wealthy a massive tax cut (while they keep their existing massive tax cut). Second, Romney said in February he's "not concerned about the very poor." 15. In his speech to the NAACP, Romney went off-script and said, "You know, there was a survey of the Chamber of Commerce. They carried out a survey of their members, about 1,500 surveyed. And they asked him what effect Obama care would have on their plans and three-quarters of them said it would make them less likely to hire people." That's not what happened. The Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest. 16. Responding to an interview the president did with CBS, Romney argued, "President Obama believes that millions of Americans have lost their homes, their jobs and their livelihood because he failed to tell a good story." Based on what Obama actually said, there is no universe in which that makes any sense at all. 17. Romney's campaign claimed that health care premiums "are $4,893 higher per family than President Obama promised" in 2008. The claim is both deeply foolish and completely untrue. 18. In a speech in New Hampshire, responding to the new jobs report, Romney complained, "The highest corporate tax rates in the world do not create jobs." American corporations do not pay the highest tax rates in the world. 19. Describing economic policies that would improve matters, Romney added, "Opening up new markets in Latin America. The president hasn't done that in three and a half years -- no new trade agreements." I don't know why Romney keeps telling this lie, but he does. 20. In the same speech, Romney added, "Failing to effectively crack down on China for cheating and stealing American jobs -- that has not helped." Obama has already cracked down on China in ways Romney doesn't seem to understand. 21. Romney went on to say, "The president's policies have not gotten America working again." Of course they have. 22. Asked about his lack of specific ideas on the economy, Romney argued, "I don't think I've seen any from the president that -- that show what he's planning on doing." Romney doesn't have to like the American Jobs Act, but he shouldn't get away with brazenly lying about its existence. 23. In response to a reporter's question about health care, Romney said, "You know, I've spoken about health care from the day we passed it in -- in Massachusetts and people said, is this something that you'd apply at the federal level? And I said no." He's clearly not telling the truth. 24. Commenting on his plans to eliminate the deficit, Romney argued, "What I describe in my plan is a series of changes to programs and elimination of programs which save more and more money over time, so we're able to get America to a balanced budget in eight to 10 years -- not in the first year, but eight to 10 years." There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Romney says his plan "can't be scored," but independent budget analysts have found his agenda would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add trillions to the national debt. 25. At a fundraiser in Montana, Romney told supporters, "The great majority of small business -- 54% of American workers work in businesses taxed as individuals. So when the president wants to raise taxes on individuals as he's proposed from 35% to 40%, he kills jobs. If your priority is crushing people, vote for him." Only about 3% of American small businesses would be affected by the higher rate, and there is literally no evidence to suggest Clinton-era top rates on the wealthy "kills jobs." In conclusion, Jay Rosen argued yesterday that Romney and his team appear to be running a "post-truth" campaign, working under the assumption that the media isn't equipped to report the lies. It's a story that's "too big to tell." It's a fair point, and with just 115 days until the election, it's a dynamic well worth watching Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Stringsinger Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:18 PM Romney is almost the caricature of the mustachioed "big bucks" man in the Monopoly game. He looks and acts like a cynical elitist businessman who will buy and sell this country to the highest bidder and down the river. He will succeed unless people wake up to the real American values, not just runaway Capitalism but the kind under FDR that made this country great. What are the real American values? 1. Respect for workers as well as bosses. 2. Respect for honest unions. 3. The "Right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (not low-paid drudge jobs) 4. Genuine patriotism that respects all Americans. 5. Hard work that is rewarded by honest wages not the ill-gotten gains of the corporate crooked CEO's 6. Respect for the Constitution and it's amendments which are today being violated at every turn by cynical and shady politicians. 7. Reinforcing the voter rights and not allowing them to be co-opted by crooked politicians and think tanks. 8. Every civilized country in the world has a right to decent health care without lining the pockets of crooked insurance companies. (Single-payer!) 9. Government regulation of all the corporate and business wrong doers, that includes Libertarians who abnegate their responsibility to others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:48 PM Generally hate to bring up polls because most of them are rigged to achieve a expected outcome but Pew over the years has been fairly accurate and if today's report is accurate Romney is slipping and Obama moving up 50-43... That's two polls released in the last couple days that show Obama holding a 7 point lead... Guess a lot of folks are seeing that Romney is indeed less than honest... ____________________________________________________________________ As for Condi and Colin??? I'll stand on my earlier statement in the context that it was written... B~ ____________________________________________________________________ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 04:33 PM I saw a clip of Hanity asking Sarah Palin if those poll results was the "Liberal Media" deliberately skewing the results to make Obama look better. Then I asked myself who in their right mind would ask such a question of SARAH PALIN? Then I remembered Sean Hanity is not in anybody's right mind. |
