BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:32 PM

I'm a Canadian who lived in the USA for 10 years, Georgie. I remember not one thing to be jealous of. Not one. Canada is like heaven in comparison. You are living in the single most feared and detested country in the World at present...not because of its population (most of whom are very nice people) but because of its criminal government.

If you think anyone is jealous of you guys you must be high on something...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:35 PM

I didn't mean to hurt you, Georgie. I'm sorry that i made you cry. I didn't mean to hurt you, i'm just a jealous guy, Georgie...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM

My hat is off to the Canadian that whacked the Taliban guy but the guy that left the US is welcome to leave.

He left some space for the Cubans that manage to get past the sharks and wash up on the beach in Florida. Ya know that Evil state run by the evil Bush Republicans that steal elections?

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 07:40 PM

At the best of times you make little sense. When you take medication, you make even less. Stop taking the meds before you write to here. Let us have a baseline from which to see whether you're smarter than the average Labrador Retriever. From there we may have a way to talk.

Right now, you need a proctologist to help you brush your teeth. Dipshits like you who insult my country for no good reason can kiss my ass. I can give you a few things we should be insulted for, but you're too fuckin' stupid to understand any of them because they deal with human rights violations, and you wouldn't consider the violated people to be human anyway.

Not to be insulting or anything, but please fuck off until you graduate high school.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 07:58 PM

Dickhead:

You Canucks think you are the only people allowed to hurl insults.

I call it a counter insultancy.

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:22 PM

Oh, just ignore it and it'll go away. Maybe when it has got all the bullshit out of its system, it'll come back and talk some sense...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:26 PM

No, shitface, not the only people allowed to, but we know how. You, on the other hand, are as erudite and accomplished with the language as a drunk parrot. You are also a really stupid person given the insults you HAVE 'hurled'. And while we're at it, hurl is something one does after drinking too much. I expect you will hurl soon. Now fuck off and read a book.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:32 PM

Have you sought professional help for that superiority complex of yours?

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Dudley
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:35 PM

What do you get when you take an Englishman and beat his brains out?

A Canadian.

DDR

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:35 PM

You bet. The doctor told me to seek out idiots like you because you help it along. So far, it works.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:41 PM

Dear Dudley,

And that still leaves the average Canuck sixty IQ points up on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 08:59 PM

Guys, I really hope you're using condoms, because any mistake on your part could very seriously hurt your country.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:00 PM

Lucky Brucie, the man in the middle.

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Bunky:
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:10 PM

Hector St John de Crevecoeur:
"What then is the American, this new man? He is either an European, or the descendant of an European, hence that strange mixture of blood, which you will find in no other country. I could point out to you a family whose grandfather was an Englishman, whose wife was Dutch, whose son married a French woman, and whose present four sons have now four wives of different nations. He is an American, who leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds"

Hector St John de Crevecoeur went to Canada as a young man, served for a time with Montcalm in the war against the English, and later passed over into the United States, to become an exuberant American. He married a New England girl, and settled on the frontier. During the period of his 'cultivating the earth' he wrote the Letters from an American Farmer, which enjoyed great vogue in their day, in England especially, among the new reformers like Godwin and Tom Paine.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/CREV/letter03.html

B

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Willie-O
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:12 PM

"Georgie"? You sound about as clever as that other George does.

Rich, I'm thinkin about what to put on my own sign. CU there maybe!

I'm thinkin maybe "49% bright"...


Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:30 PM

Well, Georgie, I AM a lucky guy. I am lucky enough to realize that my dislike for the stupidity and ugliness of your government should not then make me transfer that dislike to the American people. I will reserve that dislike for people like you and your boy friend. Frankly, you have begun to bore me. I rather enjoy getting into it with intelligent people. It's just toooo easy with you. Have a nice day, sweetums.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:19 PM

brucie - I think you are lucky guy, too. Were you born in Canada? That makes you really, really lucky. You must have very good karma.
I immigrated to Canada in 74 because I thought 'the shit was going to hit the fan' in the States. I think my feelings were about 30 years off the mark but I've never looked back. Canada is a great country!

Why would anyone in Canada be jealous of the U.S.? Name one thing that is better in the U.S.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:12 PM

The weather.

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:17 PM

Actually, that's a pretty funny suggestion, Georgie.

Not as a reply to dianavan, but as a welcome for the prez.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM

You made a joke! Good boy. GOOD boy!

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:39 PM

Guest, Georgie -

Not good enough. The weather in Vancouver is far better than the weather in any number of States. Besides that, what good is the weather if you can't breathe the air?

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:49 PM

LOL

However, southern cooking is great. (And Chicago hotdogs--just in case Martin sees this thread.)

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:03 AM

I betcha the BC bud up there is great too. That is a big reason to emigrate. Sorta takes your mind off of the details like those terrorists that enter through Canaduh and cross the border to blow up something in the US.

"Ressam has said he met Haouari through mutual friends in Montreal after he immigrated there in 1994 and "lived on welfare and theft" -- at times with the defendant. They planned to open a grocery store to further a counterfeit credit card scheme.

"Ressam, speaking through an Arabic interpreter, said after taking the ferry from Victoria, Canada, to Port Angeles, Washington, "they stopped me. They asked me, 'Where are you going to,' from what I understood. ... They said, 'Open the car,' and started searching. I ran."

Thanks to Canada's well-known, lax immigration and refugee system, five Middle Eastern men are currently being hunted in the United States as suspected Muslim terrorists.

Incredibly, in the middle of a world-wide war against Islamic extremism, the five men, who landed in Toronto on Christmas Eve from Pakistan via London, were allowed to go free after claiming refugee status. And, as soon as they were released onto Canadian streets, they headed for the United States,
helped across the border by a professional smuggling ring that may have slipped 14 other people across that day.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:06 AM

That's right, it's everybody ELSE's fault. You stick to that story, son.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:10 AM

Tell your security people to pay attention to their jobs. We let 'em in, you let 'em out. (That is a thinly veiled reference to the family of bin Laden who were allowed to leave without being questioned.)

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Georgie
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:00 AM

Yes Dad, I think you Canucks are much better at blaming everybody else. I like the "lived on welfare and theft" part. You need a lot more of Immigrants like that. I do like Moosehead beer though.

Bin Laden's family disowned him way back.

Brucie: An Englishman is an American with his brains beat out so that puts Canucks two steps down the evloutionary chain.

GW

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:02 AM

Your thinking is right 'up there' with your English.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:03 AM

I'll leave you to imagine right up where.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:07 AM

...I like the "lived on welfare and theft" part...


Yes, I guess we all have our pleasant memories of the good old days. Sorry things aren't going so well for you now.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:08 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:29 AM

Brucie:

Was there a misunderstanding are you just trying to find something wrong because you cannot argue with the logic?

When you do not have anything to offer you go into the liberal elitist mode. You impress yourself that way.

90% of your posts are ad hominem attacks without logic or merit

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

   1. Person A makes claim X.
   2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
   3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

   1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
      Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
      Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
      Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:49 AM

90% of your posts are ad hominem attacks without logic or merit


I'm interested. Where do you get your statistics from? Do you make them up out of thin air or pull them out of your pimply ass with the rest of your "logic"?

Because I can make up statements too. For instance, I'd say 90% of brucie's posts are good-natured, intelligent and humorous, especially in a typically Canadian self-deprecating way. And I'll bet my statement is more accurate than yours. But then you can probably be forgiven for not recognizing the humour since it likely goes over your head.

Say bye bye now to your "logic", Sammy-George. It's time for your Mommy to flush the toi-toi. Bye bye now....

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:55 AM

Guest U.S. and Guest Georgie - My guess is that the U.S. has far more 'illegal immigrants' than Canada. Lets not forget the Cubans and the Mexicans down your way.

Of course, its economically viable to overlook 'wetbacks' who will work for less than nothing. Those 'Disneyland' hotels are crawling with migrant workers who are transported to their jobs daily by nasty, racist, bosses. The real money is made in ripping off the guests but when you report a theft, they tell you to call the police and the police can't do anything without a name and of course you'd have to appear in court a month later when you're already back at work.

So - give it up. Our immigration policies are no more lax than your own. Quit trying to blame your greedy, foreign policy moves on Canada. You have a piss poor record of opening your arms to refugees. We embrace refugees and immigrants. You abuse them.

Maybe thats one of the reasons they decided to bomb you and not us.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:45 AM

90% of your posts are ad hominem attacks without logic or merit

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

Look, pal, I don't trust ANYone who has to use Latin when he argues against commercials for grits. They are not hominums, they are hominy grits.

I tried being polite with you, but your bad manners resulted in the same from me. When you wish to speak politely--and when you're willing to answer questions that are posed to you--you will receive civility in return. Until then, PFO.


(Thank you, Cluin.)

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:32 AM

Cluin:

Perhaps 90% was an exaggeration but I still see ad hominem attacks from you and Brucie.

Sexual references, baby talk, comments about the pimples on ones ass are not of adult character and are not legitimate elements of debate.

Is this a trend among the liberal elite in Canada? Do you all think you are superior beings above criticism? I see no self-deprecating remarks or humility of any kind. Just a superior attitude.

I do not agree with the wetback status either. Never said I did. If it was up to me they would be acroos the border by sundown today, never to return. Do you eliminate this problem in Canada by making all of the illegals legal?

If you notice, I never tell people to go away. This is a clear indication that you feel that you own the forum and you can decide who can post and who cannot.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: DougR
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:38 PM

RichM: so don't leave us in suspence! What choice words of insult to our president did you finally decide to write on your "welcome" sign?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:26 PM

Please make a choice soon! The thread drift here has turned into a whirlpool.

Good luck!

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 02:08 PM

Dear GUEST US:

Kindly PFO?

There's just no pleasing you, is there?

Yer pal,

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 02:17 PM

Fallacy: Ad Hominem


GUEST US

You not only are fairly stupid, but you are also a plagiarist. Google the above site, SVP. That's where his hominy grit stuff came from. Too stupid to argue on your own behalf? Crook. Next time, credit your source.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 03:06 PM

I'll say one thing for George Bush.

he does polarise attitudes doesn't he.

He gets things going, somebody mentions Bush and the fur and feathers start to fly.

perhaps a bit of respect is due. He won all those votes. you have to respect that. Somwhere down the line he represents the will of the American people.

Maybe you wish someone else won, but they didn't. If he screws up really badly the other lot will get a turn in four years time - less if he gets impeached or something. Thtas how it works and we all know it does work.

If you need to welcome him, wave a flag and cheer, if you don't, stay at home and snarl at the tv.

Some idiots chose him, but on balance a lot more of nice people did as well. If you watched CNN and Fox - you would have seen some of them before the election stating their preference. And most of them seemed nice. Lets hope for all our sakes they were right.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:11 PM

GUEST,US/GEORGIE/WHATEVER, you really are a passive-aggressive little SOB, aren't you? The long winter evenings must just fly by around the old homestead. Please extend my sympathies to your circle of friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:58 PM

Aah, I wondered what had happened to great uncle Sam after he got defrocked in the Fallujah thread! Here he is, peddling Latin and and knowledge when he couldn't even understand a simple sentence insulting him, and let it stand. And DougR eagerly aligning himself with any Brucie- or Cluin-basher... You deserve better than that, Doug...

OK, shall we feed the troll? I just want to see him squirm again. (Hey, I have a perverse side too, it's not all nicey-nicey...)

" the Canadian gene pool has been contaminated by the wimp gene - GUEST,US, where did you learn your genetics? Oh, I see, from GUEST, Georgie: "An Englishman is an American with his brains beat out .

I see the conversation from our esteemed GUESTs is down to its usual level already...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM

Guest, U.S. -

The point is that most of Canada's immigrants are legal and have papers while many of the immigrants in the U.S. are illegal and have no paperwork. So pointing the finger at Canada's "lax immigration laws" is blaming another country for a problem that really belongs to the U.S. - not Canada.

The U.S. should be accountable for their own immigration problems instead of trying to put the blame on Canada. I seem to recall that alot of the terrorist rcvd. their flight training in the U.S.

It is highly irresponsible to deflect criticism by blaming others.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:18 PM

I wouldn't lump DougR in with the obnoxious guest, El Greko. Doug has class and the balls to stand up and state his beliefs proudly, without hiding behind different masks. We may have very differing opinions politically and idealogically, but I respect DougR and we'd likely be friends face to face.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:29 PM

Lets try a traditional sign for Bush.

YANQI GO HOME!

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:29 PM

How about 'SEE WHAT YOU'VE STARTED?'

Of course, only we'd know we were refering to a heated debate on Mudcat...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:45 PM

BI:

It hasn't even begun to get heated. Just a very low simmer right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 08:20 PM

A few more good ideas...

A "whoopee" cushion on his chair.

A chair that sets his pants on fire...which would be appropriate, don't you think?

A lot of heel-clicking and Nazi salutes at the public gatherings whenever he begins to speak.

Give him a present...a large globe of the World with little oil rigs all over it in the right places, all marked "Property of the USA".

Or...an exploding cigar, like they used to sell in comic books when we were very young.

Or...a little toy Diebold voting machine. When you vote "Bush" on it, Bush gets 1 vote. When you vote "Kerry" on it, Bush gets 1 vote and Kerry gets half a vote. When you vote "Nader" on it, Bush gets 2 votes, Nader gets a tenth of a vote, and Kerry gets ZIP! Unless you are Republican, this gets boring pretty fast...but if you ARE Republican you will play happily with your diecast Diebold for days!

Or...a little statue of Karl Rove with a smug look on his face and holding a diecast Diebold replica in one hand and a glass of champagne in the other.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 08:29 PM

I haven't heard of anyone sneaking across the border to Canaduh to blow up anything. Is there something there worth blowing up?

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 08:33 PM

Yeah. You are just displaying your ignorance. There's the giant goose in Wawa, the giant nickel in Sudbury, the giant egg in Vegreville. Hell, come on up. We'll teach you to read a map and send you on your way. Bring skis if you come in the summer. That way, we'll know it's you.