BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

Theres too much weird shit going on in Britain, when it comes to this subject. Nobody is really unbiassed.

About forty years ago I took some kids for a stroll in the country just outside Peebles. there were foxes crucified on every gate I took the children past. I wonder what that was all about. Like something out of An American Werewolf.

However as it seems to cause genuine pain to a class that has pissed us all off. I can't help thinking - maybe we're onto someting that will set the country right.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:42 AM

Most of the people I know who are really pissed off by this are ordinary rural working class people. Next time you see a pick-up with a 'Bollocks to Blair' CA sticker, take a good look at who's driving. It won't be Arabella Strangely-Browne or Tarquin ffuchs-Tightly, I can promise you.
And I'm certainly not upper class - I'm a builder and smallholder for heaven's sake. You're probably posher than me!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM

Give up Gervase! Some of this lot see anything to do with country pursuits as some sort of ongoing Class struggle dating back to The Enclosure Act, and it's all MY fault for shooting!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:43 AM

At last .....fted, got it! I knew that expensive education would come in one day.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:46 AM

that's the real problem with you country types. you just don't understand our way of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:29 AM

There are REAL problems with living a rural life - the very worst thing those who kill foxes for fun have done - is to encourage those people (some who cannot even afford to live or buy property in the areas they were born in) - is to pretend they give a f*** about these people and their REAL problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 12:59 PM

Once again, is there a chance we can isolate discussion of shooting game animals from a discussion of the UK class system?

All aristos are *not* into game shooting. All people into game shooting are *not* aristos.

It'd also be nice if people didn't confuse fox-hunting and game shooting. Yes, some of the same people do both. Big deal - the BNP apparently are dead keen on folk music too, but that doesn't make us all neo-Nazis, does it? :-/ FWIW, all Countryside Alliance supporters are not in favour of fox-hunting - as I'm sure you know, Shambles, fox-hunting just happened to be the tip of a rather large iceberg of farmers being crapped on from a great height.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 02:01 PM

just happened to be the tip of a rather large iceberg of farmers being crapped on from a great height.

Graham - You must have been stuck in that 'chippie' with Gervase.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 06:46 PM

It's no good Grab, his record is well and truly stuck. No point in trying reason, irony, sarcasm or thermite - the man's just about impregnable to anything but one of Spaw's more personal insultments, and I'm not going to stoop that low.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:47 PM

Farmer, small holders, dirt farmers - I have a lot of time for. I was born in Lincolnshire - I understand all that. I was born understanding it.

Thats why I hate you tory bastards so much. You are so exploitative of these people. The towns are your playground where you display all your wealth, political power, etc.

how long lordy, how long!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:05 AM

weelittledrummer is the most perfectly balanced person on Mudcat - displaying, as he does, "chips" the size of oak trees, one wedged firmly on each shoulder.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:19 AM

Which Tory bastards is wee chippie referring to? He says 'you' so I assume he's talking about some here? Anyone care to 'fess up, because it's not me. I was Labour, and am now Plaid.
And how long before what - the Tory bastards start displaying their wealth and power somewhere other than the towns? No thanks, you can keep 'em. There are no Tory bastards within many a mile of where I live, and long may that remain!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:31 AM

It's no good Grab, his record is well and truly stuck. No point in trying reason, irony, sarcasm or thermite - the man's just about impregnable to anything but one of Spaw's more personal insultments, and I'm not going to stoop that low.

Gervase there is nothing personal in this for me. I have not called you any names. You have a view and I have a view. Nothing that you have said has suceeded in changing my view (very much anyway).

But I do think that it should be possible for anyone with a view to be able to argue and fight for their view without involving others or needing to appeal for any like-minded to gang-up and shout-down any opposing view.

It is that aspect of this argument that has been so devisive for our country and there is no need to continue that approach on this discussion forum.

That the poster you refer to by name and who is seen and currently encouraged to name-call on our forum - is sad - but this is perhaps not an example that others should feel they should follow (or even refer to)?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:32 AM

Well I'm a Tory, as far as I'm aware not a bastard, and my landowning is limited to some houseplants. Sorry to dissapoint.

Re Eating what you kill, and vice versa, I don't as I'm not a good enough shot, and a flat isn't the best place to butcher something. I have been helping with the livestock on my uncles farm, and eaten plenty of that though, which is closer than most people get to their food.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:36 AM

I guess I must have been. Good job it was a chippy with 24-hour access to the news then, so I could find out what was going on outside...