BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 12:53 PM

So many well informed experts on this site it amazes me.

Absolutely amazes the hell out of me. People who don't live in Britain telling us how bad it is. People who would rather believe what newspapers tell them than the truth. People who like to say the war has been won and then get some sort of kick trying to goad the 'losers' into some sort of action. What is this world coming to.

Tsk, tsk.

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,Oglagh na hEireann
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 01:20 PM

DIVIS SWEENEY

You are doing the cause no good by making an arse of yourself and us on a forum such as this. While you're away sunning yourself and delivering this shite, we are finding ourselves deeply embarrassed by the issues that are being raised here.

This sort of thing just stirrs up trouble, especially while Gerry and Martin are trying to soften old Paisley up - you're as bad as that Stone fella - at least he was their embarrassment.

Got to go - me and a few of the boys have to go down to the Markets to beat the bejaysus out of an errant son of Erin who said something we didn't like.

THe men of Oglagh na hEireann (punishment squad)

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Alison M
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:02 PM

Guest Oglagh na hEireann, if you were a true republican then you would help defend Divis, as Divis always defends the republicans from Ireland. I think you should read back through his posts again before making a judgment about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Another one who doesn't live there - c'mon tic, tac and lest we n'er forget toe.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Black Beauty
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:37 PM

I think what Divis Sweeny has given an excellent account of Northern Irelands troubled past and some are just picking on him.

Northern Ireland isn't the troubled Province it once was and the killings and bombings seems to be over. Let us welcome that.

It's a country with a brigh future. This country has a European worker programme which allows foreign workers to enter it country legally to meet the needs of their new economy.

We must welcome a new begining and allow the people to stand up and speak for themselves without old voices from the past.

They will find the future they want themselves and resolve their own differences if left alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 03:18 PM

I am a newcomer to this Site, I will not try to deceive anyone a friend told me to look in and pbserve the thoughts and opinions of lots of people who have never been to Ireland.
The role of the British Army is the chief topic of your squabble, one guy says, he could be British, not sure, he says he seen some terrible things done by the Army in Belfast, please tell us what kind of deeds, that would explain a lot, otherwise those of us who have never seen our Army abroad would be grateful if he explains. thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 03:33 PM

no wonder why there problems in Northern Ireland when these people can't take their blinkers off and stop having such tunnel vision.

its about time you lot forgot about the past

because what happened in the past happened in the past and in the past it must remain.

stop holding gruges for God sake and live in the world today.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

They will find the future they want themselves and resolve their own differences if left alone.

I know you are quite new to the site, Black Beauty, so I had better explain. There is nothing we would all like better that to leave NI alone - But we can't. Look back and you will find that the vast majority of threads about Northern Ireland and the Bastard Brits are actualy started by citizens of that province.

Now there is no real enemy to fight against - Almost everyone admits that the fight has been won by the Republicans - They feel the need to fight against past injustices. A very worthy windmill to tilt at but hardly wanting to be 'left alone'. Anyone who suggests tha they leave the past where it is is accused of wanting a cover up so I expect you will become a target yourself in the not too distant future. Sorry:-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,Oglagh na hEireann
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:21 PM

Alison M

I've re read Divis' posts and reported back to the boys. After detailed discussion lasting ten seconds we've reached a unanamous decision:-

    He's an arse........... and he talks shite!

Our decision is final.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 06:26 PM

Goik your now Oglagh ?

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Alison M
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 07:18 PM

Guest Oglagh na hEireann, fair play if you want to live in the past, as you are not who you say you are in this case. No one from the organisation "Oglagh na hEireann" would be against Divis for anything he says. So I am guessing you are pretending to be a republican supporter who really is someone that supports loyalists/unionists. There I have said my piece on this thread so good bye.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 08:07 PM

Youre right Alison....likely its someone from that infantile 'Loyalist' site still lurking.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 09:32 PM

I predicted that no PIRA apologist would ever talk about Jean McConville or Kathleen Feeney. But here's the nearest that you are going to get:

Divis Sweeney - 16 Dec 06 - 09:39 AM

"The PIRA has already said sorry for shooting Kathleen Feeney in Derry.

Kathleen died during an operational engagement with the British army.

An internal investigation confirmed a shot from a volunteer killed her."

Complete and utter bollocks. Now do you remember that heart rending story that Divis told about Majella O'Hare. Can you recollect the detail he went into to describe the circumstances of her death? Now what about Kathleen Feeney, naw, you won't get any PIRA aologiser explain the why and wherefore about her death. Mainly because if you took a look at both you will find that Majella O'Hare died as the result of a tragic accident, whereas Kathleen Feeney died because one of Divis Sweeneys heroes deliberately targeted and shot her and placed the blame on the British Army. Unfortunately for Divis and his dinner guests the man who did shoot Kathleen Feeney had a conscience and owned up to what he had done in 2005, for three decades Divis and his comrades in arms made capitol on this heinous crime that had been committed by the British Army, of course they all knew it as the lie that it was - The Provisional IRA deliberately shot an innocent fourteen year old girl just to make the Brits look bad - OK Divis how many others were there - Ball is in your court you prove it.

Oh and while you are about it tell us all about Jean McConville.

There are times Divis Sweeney when just saying that you are sorry just doesn't quite hack it.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:19 AM

It's "Óglaigh na hÉireann" you imbecile.

2 kneekappings and an ankle job for you me bhoyo

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:21 AM

Anyway: Soldiers convicted of crimes in the North?

Bloody despicable.

TROOPS OUT NOW!

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 04:00 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_McConville

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:08 AM

Teribus, one has to note how quickly you pass over on the murders committed by the British army, as if the were acceptable.

I have discussed the case of McConville with a lot of friends (you not being one of them) many times, but not on this site.I see no purpose in discussing it with you. All you seem to be capable of is defending the murderous actions of an army who have been publicly exposed in the European Courts of Human justice for "torture and ill-treatment" in fact if I am correct another member here exposed you some time back as boasting that you did a bit of this yourself.

No volunteer went out to shot a child to blame it on the British army EVER. Can you support your claim ? No didn't think so.

Yes I have repeated the apology from the PIRA Army Council several times on this site. Can you repeat the apology from the British army ? No of course you can't because they are much like yourself, because in their view they did no wrong so no apology needed.

What's the chances of you and the other blind mice allowing this thread to get back on course and face the fact your murdering soldiers still think crime pays in the North of Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,Oglaigh na hEireann
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:14 AM

GUEST 03:19AM

"It's "Oglaigh na hEireann" you imbecile."

It's "kneecapping" to you and the bhoys.

Is an ankle job a bit lower than a b**w job?

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:30 AM

I say, another one of John's guest posts. Good show old boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:51 AM

Divis, the European Court did rule that use of white noise and light was torture, so it was quite rightly stopped.
Before that most countries would have regarded it as acceptable for interrogating war prisoners (which PIRA wanted to be).
Remember, people were not being tortured for their political views.
At the height of the troubles, declaring any view was perfectly legal.
The issue was detonating car bombs in town centres and shootings on the street.
A failed interrogation meant more violent death.

Jean McConville was drageed away from her terrified children, tortured, mutilated, and then killed by YOUR local PIRA unit.
You have dropped heavy hints that you were a member.
You are in NO position to lecture anyone on the treatment of prisoners.
You would not even tell her poor family where you dumped her body.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 05:54 AM

And Jean's dreadful crime?

She offered words of comfort to a dying soldier.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:09 AM

Point 1 Divis I do not believe I have ever passed over murders committed by anyone.

Point 2 Divis you have been asked to tell this forum about Jean McConville - I have got no desire to discuss the matter with you - what I do want is that Jean McConville's story be told by someone who says he supports the murdering scum that dragged that poor, completely innocent, woman screaming from her house in front of her children, to torture and murder her within 24 hours of her having been beaten senseless by members of the same organisation.

Point 3 Divis you say with what appears to be utter conviction that - "No volunteer went out to shot a child to blame it on the British army EVER" - well here's what Mr P. O'Neill said about it:

Text of Irish Republican Army (IRA) Statement on the Shooting of Kathleen Feeney on 14 November 1973, Quarry Street, Derry, (23 June 2005)

"On 14th November 1973, 14-yearold Kathleen Feeney was shot dead in Quarry Street, Derry.

The IRA in Derry, in a statement, denied that any of its volunteers were responsible for the death of Kathleen Feeney. In a further statement, the IRA in Derry claimed to have carried out an operation against the British Army in retaliation for the death of Kathleen Feeney.

The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann has been asked by the Feeney family to examine the circumstances surrounding the death of their sister and to publicly acknowledge that she was killed by the IRA.

The IRA leadership agreed to do so. We found, as the Feeney family have always believed, that Kathleen was hit by one of a number of shots fired by an IRA Active Service Unit that had fired upon a British army foot-patrol in the Lecky Road area.

The IRA accepts responsibility for the death of Kathleen Feeney. Our failure to publicly accept responsibility for her death until now has only added to the hurt and pain of the Feeney family.

The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann wish to apologise unreservedly to the Feeney family for the death of Kathleen and for all the grief that our actions have caused to them."

P O'Neill,
Irish Republican Publicity Bureau, Dublin

The statement from the IRA was released through the 'Derry Journal' on 24 June 2005.

Now Divis can you explain to us all why the discrepancy in the dates - 14th November 1973 and 24th June 2005 - what took them so long Divis?

Can you also explain this rather twisted piece of logic that appears in this PIRA Apology that you seem to think is so noble:

"In a further statement, the IRA in Derry claimed to have carried out an operation against the British Army in retaliation for the death of Kathleen Feeney."

Now Divis explain to us all why and how an operation against the British Army was carried out in RETALIATION for a murder committed by the PIRA. The whole purpose of this statement is to apologise for that murder. The British soldiers on patrol could not possibly have killed Kathleen because they did not fire a single round. That added to the fact that in 1973 the British Army were using L1A1 SLR firing a 7.62mm round, the PIRA normally used US weapons, "their little Armalite's" firing a 5.56mm round, so it must have been fairly easy to work out who had done what at the autopsy.

Two years after her death an 18 year old was charged with her murder - note murder, which means that in this particular case the prosecution service believed that they had enough evidence to prove that Kathleen's killing was deliberate, not accidental. The youth was found Not Guilty as it could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he fired the shot that killed Kathleen. What was interesting was that the Judge was firmly of the opinion that the verdict was correct and that strong indications existed that Kathleen had been killed by another more experienced gunman - the killing was deliberate not accidental.

Point 4 Divis in 1973 who was the Officer Commanding the PIRA in Derry? From the fact file on Martin McGuinness we get - 1971-73 Officer - Commanding Derry Brigade PIRA. As the commanding officer of the IRA's Derry Brigade in the early 70's he personally fought countless gun battles with British soldiers and organised the destruction of the commercial centre of his native city. Of the city's 150 shops only 20 were left trading. One third of the 320 killed in Londonderry attributed to the troubles died in street clashes and gun battles during this period (54 of them members of HM Security Forces). I suppose that Kathleen Feeney was among the 266 non-HM Security Forces killed. Now what exactly had they done Divis? While the clamour is loud for enquiries into cases involving the Security Forces, most notable being the Bloody Sunday Inquiry concerning the deaths of 14 people. Where is the clamour for the Inquiry into the deaths of the 87 people that Martin McGuinness as Officer Commanding in Derry ordered, or sanctioned, to be executed?

As for thread drift Divis - not in the least - read the title - You and the rest of the murdering scum you appear to be so proud off always contended that they were "soldiers" didn't they? Still you, Ard, Den and the rest of your fellow travellers only ever look at one side.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Alison M
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:10 AM

Oglaigh na hEireann, what ever you want to call yourself on here. I have had death threats before thrown at me. Threating to shoot me is your answer is it? You are no republican, your a loyalist that is trying to cause trouble in this forum. If you are a member of FAIR then go back there. Divis does not have to answer any of you, but he does to tell the truth. Debating with him is one thing, but ganging up on him is another thing, which is unfair!

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:21 AM

Did you know McConvile ? Do you know at first hand anything about this case ? maybe your just repeating what you read and then voice your side of it, just as you did in regard to the Northern Bank robbery, which didn't seem to go too well for you.

Why are you so fixed on her case ? There are many cases of children being murdered by the British army we could talk about. And there is also collusion isn't there ?

Her case is something I will not be going into with any of you, there is simply no point. So let's talk about this thread Den started.

British soldiers charged with rape, GBH, domestic violence, robbery,glassing some kid at a dancehall and murder. Local papers often cover it. Hard to believe these guys are actually paid to keep law and order !

What's wrong are you saying these guys (the peace keeping force)wouldn't do such things ?

Thread drifts don't work with me sorry. Why not start another thread about McConville if your so interested in the case ? did you not try this before on other subjects in the past when you didn't get the answers you required on one of your many thread drifts ?

Right let's talk about this thread of Den's.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:31 AM

Sorry Teribus, you would need to address your questions to Derrys fourth Northern command. I know nothing about them. I think you may find it was a M1 which was used .30 if that's any help when you address them.

Thanks Alison, it's not a loyalist, it's a member from here I was told last night. Hope all is well with you.

Right Teribus, what about this thread Den started, are you going to get back on track ? Oh sorry your another thread drift member, suits you to take the bad look of this "peace keeping force."

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 06:40 AM

Oh, sorry, Divis, forgot to mention the following.

With regard to PIRA Officers Commanding - as an old-boy of the organisation maybe Divis could tell us who was Officer Commanding in Belfast the night that Jean McConville was beaten? Who was Officer Commanding in Belfast the following night when she was taken to be tortured, executed and mutilated? The Officer Commanding PIRA in Belfast at the time, the man who would have had to have given the OK for the operation was a certain Gerry Adams.

Now Gerry, god bless 'im, actually told Jean's eldest daughter Helen that he couldn't possibly have had anything to do with her mothers abduction and killing because he was in jail at the time of her slaughter - NOT TRUE - fancy that Gerry Adams telling lies, oh dear - Fact of the matter was that Gerry Adams Officer Commanding was not interned until July, 1973, seven months after the murder of Jean McConville.

That good people is why the PIRA will continue to lie and deny with regard to the circumstances of Jean McConville's dissappearance and death. Because, you see, nobody was ever charged so the crime is still on the books. The murder of Jean McConville is not swept under the carpet by any Good Friday Agreement, anyone involved in her death can still do time for her murder - including the man that ordered it.

This article from an SDLP Spokesman also indicates why the PIRA will never talk about Jean McConville:

MAGINNESS: KILLING OF JEAN MCCONVILLE A WAR CRIME

SDLP Justice Spokesperson Alban Maginness said republicans cannot continue to evade the truth of what happened to Jean McConville.

Mr Maginness said: "It is just not enough to say the killing of Jean McConville was wrong or should not have happened. Nor can Mitchell McLaughlin excuse her death because it happened in the context of conflict.

"She was killed 'without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all judicial guarantees which are generally recognised as indispensable', and that constitutes a war crime in the definition of the International Criminal Court. The Provisional IRA is subject to war crimes law just as much as the British government.

"A second war crime occurred by the IRA's ' refusal to acknowledge deprivation of [her] freedom or to give information on [her] fate or whereabouts'.

"Sinn Fein claims to support international law, the International Criminal Court and the International Convention on Human Rights Its leader should make clear whether this support applies to all crimes or only ones which happen far away or are the responsibility of the British forces."

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:21 AM

Divis let's go back and take a look at Den's thread. What was it again, oh yes, over a 6 year period, 1346 members of HM Forces have been convicted in courts in Northern Ireland, that number includes traffic offences, but unfortunately there is no breakdown of actual offences.

Den, Divis and Ard wish to convey the message that all 1346 were in the category of serious crimes, i.e. murder, rape, robbery and theft. This is patently untrue and they know it - it has been shown that whereas 1.5% of soldiers in Northern Ireland have been convicted of a "crime" - note motoring offences are not crimes - 1.9% of the population of Northern Ireland have been convicted of crimes (motoring offences do not feature in this percentage)

OK Divis let's have a look at Murder shall we?

2001/2002 - 29
2002/2003 - 28
2003/2004 - 21
2004/2005 - 27
Over this period that gives a total of 105 murders - All committed by members of HM Forces Divis?? Ratio of Troops to Population is 1:114, and it has already been shown that the civilian population are more likely to commit such a crime. So naw Divis, I don't think so, I would imagine very few if any at all.

OK Divis let's look at Rape shall we?

2001/2002 - 131
2002/2003 - 143
2003/2004 - 182
2004/2005 - 156
So over the period that gives a total of 612 convictions for Rape - All committed by members of HM Forces Divis?? Ratio of troops to population is 1:114. Here again I would venture to suggest that the vast bulk of those convicted of Rape in Northern Ireland were part of the civilian population and not members of HM Forces.

Are you and Den starting to get the drift Divis.

Members of HM Forces currently serving in Northern Ireland are generally more law abiding than the local population.

Just as Britain does not top any Yobs League, as figures show different and there is no league.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:23 AM

So you are certain Gerry Adams was in Belfast at the time of this action ? You are certain he was area OC and in a position to give orders? Please tell us more Teribus.

So Gerry Adams wasn't interned on the Maidstone in 1972 ? you said (Gerry Adams Officer Commanding was not interned until July, 1973)

So this card he and my brother signed on the Maidstone in 1972 is a fake ? Two bastards, wait till I see both of them.

Always check your facts Teribus before you come on here and make a fool out of yourself. Oh by the way, how do you know he was area command ? He was never charged under such a title, sorry you said Alban Maginness said it. Was he sober at this stage of his life ?

Yet again you so pubicly get your facts wrong, nothing new in that, usually you vanish for a few days when this happens. Don't let me stop you.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:29 AM

Oh come on Teribus, your facts and figures have been discredited by the previous one (Gerry Adams not interned until 1973) not true Teribus he was interned in 1972. So just leave the figures, doubt anyone can or will believe you now.

Ah it only takes one slip up, doesn't it. In your case there have been a few slip ups. I have just been advised to read your posts on the Iraq war, have you slipped up there too ?

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:53 AM

Sorry Divis, it's you that want to get your facts straight.

Now remember that Jean McConville was taken from her home on the night of 12th December 1972

Gerry Adams was BRIEFLY imprisoned onboard the Maidstone in 1972, but that was earlier in the year wasn't it Divis? Because the PIRA insisted that he attend talks with William Whitelaw that year and those talks took place late June/early July 1972. So the lying little tinker was out and about in December 1972.

So Gerry's lie told to Jeans daughter Helen still remains a blatant lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:58 AM

how can you have peace in northern ireland when mudcatters can't agree to put the past behind them, because protestant and catholic are just as bad as each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 08:07 AM

So let's get this straight. In your earlier post you were certain Gerry Adams wasn't interned until 1973. Is that correct ?


Now your say he was interned in 1972 after it was pointed out to you. Is that correct ?

Come on Teribus, get the facts straight before you post, your confusing me.

Anyway, can't stop heading into "The Dubliner" for lunch here in Torrevieja. Nice little Irish spot in Spain. And they are always so keen to hear the news from home. Divis getting well known over here now. Always a lot of very nice English people there for Sunday lunch.

Enjoy your day.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 08:20 AM

"Now Gerry, god bless 'im, actually told Jean's eldest daughter Helen that he couldn't possibly have had anything to do with her mothers abduction and killing because he was in jail at the time of her slaughter - NOT TRUE - fancy that Gerry Adams telling lies, oh dear - Fact of the matter was that Gerry Adams Officer Commanding was not interned until July, 1973, seven months after the murder of Jean McConville."

What I have said in that quote is perfectly correct. The period of time in question is December 1972. What Gerry was trying to convince Jean's daughter of was that in December 1972 he was incommunicado, by dint of the fact that he was inside, doin' time, doin' bird, or whatever. He wasn't, was he Divis??? What Gerry's previous was is immaterial. Accept it he lied and has been caught out in that lie - just as well he didn't tell that to police eh Divis, they take a very dim view of people who lie to them in the course of a murder investigation.

Oh and of course, having been caught out on that little Porky, he obviously tells the absolute truth about everything else - You'd have a hell of a job convincing me about that - it would appear that you lot are the ones who can't even lie straight in bed.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Black Beauty
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 08:37 AM

Please move away from the past and think of the future. None of you will gain anything from all of this. It's not important anymore. Tell us of your hopes for 2007.

Love
Charlotte

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 08:41 AM

Re thread drift.
It was the fourth post in the thread, by Republican Ard Mhacha, that extended the discussion from last 6 years, to the 70s and the Troubles.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 09:25 AM

I agree completely, Charlotte. Just look for any anti-English threads in the last few months and check who started then to see who you need to convince though. I agree with a lot of the sense spoken by many of the Republican contributors to this forum but I am not convinced that repeatedly starting anti-English threads is the way forward in any peace process:-(

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 10:15 AM

Terribus, you know nothing about the British illegal occupation of Ireland, even less about the Republican response to it.

You are a Canadian Orangie who has been posting offensive material on Mudcat for several years. If it's not the Democrats it's the Liberals or whatever you think will cause hurt and offense.

The people of Ireland very well know that their war for independence was led by an American Republican. Nothing has changed since those years and the Orangies would do well to pay attention to that fact.

*R*E*P*U*B*L*I*C*A*N* America fought and won sereral wars against Loyalist British forces. Doncha know any history?

Yer monarch is STILL a joke to us.

And ex British Army thugs come out here where they think nobody knows them. But guess what? we know who they are and where they are. Lets leave it at that. But if ya wanna slug it out, we'd be glad to oblige.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:20 AM

GUEST,sorefingers, another "Plastic Paddy"??

You're right, I don't know anything about the British Illegal occupation of Ireland. Because there is nothing illegal about the fact that Northern Ireland forms part of the United Kingdom. All surveys and polls seem to indicate that between 62 and 69% of the population of Northern Ireland wish it to remain so.

So I am a "Canadian Orangie", whatever that is. Sorry but you are wrong on both counts (Nationality and political/religious affiliation).

"*R*E*P*U*B*L*I*C*A*N* America fought and won sereral wars against Loyalist British forces. Doncha know any history?"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Now let's see Revolutionary War, where it was basically Brits fighting Brits, basically lost through complete and utter lack of interest - we did have a very good discussion about this war on another thread.

War of 1812, when the United States of America allied itself with Napoleonic France, The French lost the Napoleonic Wars, the Forces of the United States of America did not succeed in "liberating" Canada, basically because the Canadians did not want liberating. Looking at things from the perspective of the US the war at best could be described as a draw.

The Fennian Rebellion of 1866 or 1869. No this is one that Hollywood really should make a film about, it would make the best comedy ever. This crowd of complete incompetents couldn't even organise a bottle party in a brewery. This was one you said you'd won? Hells teeth they couldn't even find Canada, let alone invade it.

When have the US and UK fought apart from on those three occasions? Or does that what "sereral" means - three.

"Yer monarch is STILL a joke to us." Well according to most from the UK who post on this Forum, apparently not half the joke your President or your electoral system is to them.

Oh and this next bit is as priceless as it is typical:
"And ex British Army thugs come out here where they think nobody knows them. But guess what? WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE. Lets leave it at that. But if ya wanna slug it out, we'd be glad to oblige."

The threat "But guess what? we know who they are and where they are" I wondered where I'd heard that before and guess what it was something I read with regard to Jean McConville:

"Jim Cusick wrote that years after Jean's disappearance when the eldest girl began, with her husband, to find out what had happened to her mother, some individuals in Sinn Fein were less than helpful:

Sinn Fein figures tried on several occasions to try and block the McKendrys, continuing to threaten Seamus and Helen. The couple and their children were forced to flee their home in Poleglass because of threats. They moved to a mixed area in south Co Down but the threats continued.

The publicity given to the cases of the 'disappeared' meant that the McKendrys continued to be given some support. A couple of months after being forced out of west Belfast, the couple were invited to a reception at the American consulate in Belfast. A Sinn Fein guest at the party came over to Seamus and pointedly asked how Seamus's father was getting on and mentioned that he lived at Crossgar in Co Down. He then said to Seamus that he knew that he and Helen were living not too far away, either.

"It was just to tell us THAT THEY KNEW WHERE WE WERE and to shut up," said Seamus, who ignored the threat."

How pathetic, threats may impress you sorefingers, my reaction to them would be to advise whoever comes to come loaded for bear, neither the Scots, or the English, have ever been susceptible to threats, or cowed by them, particularly when they are uttered by morally bankrupt, contemptible scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:31 AM

I bet that felt like having a good shit Terry!

behave yourself and calm down. Pull a cracker, crack a not.... or something.....!

and don't call the bloke next to you, 'contemptible scum'!

i suppose some of these people feel its just a game. But people are watching, and being influenced. and descending to abuse is setting a bad example.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:34 AM

Predictable Terribus.

You are what you say, all of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:37 AM

Teribus the fake, ooopz the Canadian fake!

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,Oglaigh na hEireann
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 11:48 AM

DIVIS SWEENEY

While you're boring the arse off the clientel of that feckin theme pub in feckin Spain, back here in Belfast we're trying to organise a damage limitation campaign. All kinds of feckin shit is about to hit the feckin fan because of the feckin hornets' nest you have stirred up concerning matters we thought were dead and feckin buried.
The Big Man is none too pleased and has said that if you don't feckin stop you'd be better off staying in feckin Spain. Who the feck do you think you are? Walter feckin Mitty?

Oglaigh na hEireann (the organisation for the terminally deluded)

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,OrangeOrder
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:05 PM

Because King Willie played with his does not mean you can do it too. While the canny Fenians organise a revolution in Scotland you are out here daydreaming.

Go to the bathroom and wash your skull to be ready for Rock McBatts.
Orange dicipline

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:11 PM

Guest sorefingers - Would you please note that threats against people are not permitted on this forum. I am quite surprised that the moderators have not yet deleted yours. I imagine it is only a matter of time. Or does we know who and where you are intimate that you are going to send them Christmas cards?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:28 PM

DtG would do well to recall that the Muddy was founded and existed for years soley as an American Blues and Folk music site before the UK folkies found it, AND it is still an American website. You should also be aware that for years we just made fun of Politics and the rest here.

You might like to chew on the fact that here in the USA, unlike the UK, free speech is guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights incoporated into our Constitution. So before you round up a posse you need to come out here, because from where you are at there is absolutely nothing you can do.

And I don't make threats, I don't need to. Ex-British Army thugs out here know who they are and those who try to hide their criminal disgusting history give themselves away by that very act. We don't need to look for them, they lead us to them every time.

Anyway every war criminaol, Nazi, British or anyother for that matter is fair game OUT HERE.

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:48 PM

Sorearse

"criminaol" ?? Go straight to gaol.

Is that how it's spelled west of the Emerald Isle?

Where's "friendly fire" when you really need it?

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:58 PM

Looked very much like a threat to me. Still does. You suggest that Teribus is an ex British Army thug, living in Canada and go on to say that you know where such people live. Why else say it if it is not an attempt to intimidate? I know full well that this is a US site and should be dedicated to Folk and Blues music. If it means so much to you to keep it so why are you posting to this thread? I also point you to mudcat editorial policy.

We try very hard to preserve freedom of expression here at Mudcat, so we edit and delete messages as sparingly as we can. However, part of that freedom is that people should feel safe to be here and express their ideas without fear of being bullied or threatened. Heated discussions are generally considered "protected" around here, but if you find a post that is seriously offensive because it is a threat or a personal attack, let Joe or Pene (or Max) know about it and we'll take a look at it.

I did point this out knowing full well that threats against anyone supporting the English are the exception to the rule of course. Us Bastard Brits get all we deserve and should all be killed at birth.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:01 PM

Unsurprisingly Northern Ireland now has the highest rise in racist crime in the UK. Particularly racist attacks against children. It's drug seizures have also doubled and homophobic attacks are rising at a rate of knots.

I suspose the British Army are to be blamed for these too?

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:10 PM

Oh, and before anyone else gets on their high horse about constitutional free speech I suggest you ask the 'Communists' subjected to McArthys

Subject: RE: BS: Soldiers Convicted of Crimes in NI
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 06 - 01:13 PM

C'mon spit it out!