BS: Has anyone noticed....UK

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:55 PM

and your point is....

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Penny S.
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:50 PM

There's another side to this.

Where I live there's a flat now owned, without notifying the head landlord, which I as secretary embody, by a management company, which manages jobs and accomodation for East European women working at a local internationally owned hotel. Every few months the occupants change. It is a two bed flat and has six people in it. The nationality changes and is mixed, so that there will be Latvians sharing with Poles or Hungarians. One of the latter was looking for an alternative, very worried, a while before changeover time, but we couldn't help, and I am suspicious that this might have been connected with the discovery that a non-slave Hungarian woman was married to an English tenant next door.

It does look as though talking among themselves and with others around is restricted by these moves and arrangements. I had some trouble telling them they could pick the blackberries in the garden. And as for last year when they needed to know that the sewer had been cut by the builders next door.....

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Wolfy
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:18 PM

well so i have read all the comments from all the euro sympathisers and all the dark insidious creatures that want to sell my country,England, to this thing called Europe.

Very soon now we will rise up and proclaim England an independent nation. There will be sedition in Europe. We will declare war again on the frogs and the creepy spanish and woop there greasy butts like we have done through the centuries.

And.... all the Euro sympathisers will be put to the sword

Power to the People      ENGLISH PEOPLE!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: folk1e
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:12 PM

I feel sorry for these guys ...... they come over here, work for a pittance and when they have saved enough for a nice house back in Poland they get back there to find that everyone else had the same idea and the shortage of housing has led to hyper inflation! Their only way out will be to come back here for another couple of years (but they will not be able to afford to work for the minimum wage then) until they have the dosh in the bank. Then when they get back to Poland they find .......

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 01:43 PM

It's even worse than that in Texas...

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 01:17 PM

If we sent back all the immigrants it might make the sheep a bit nervous.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 11:43 AM

Har! Har! Har!

Dave Polshaw, thanks for the best laugh I've had yet today! Wonderful post.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Mr Happy
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 11:05 AM

I'm in agreement with Mr Polakow, send all immigrants to Britain back to where they came from!

But where to start? Where to finish? When the whole place is empty?

I don't know where I'd end up, having English, Irish, German, Spanish, & who knows what other mixed ancestry going back into the mists of time.

I'd like to know how to define 'native peoples' - anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:36 AM

I saw it taken seriously at our folk festival once by a rather inebriated young lady at a singaround where it was performed. We had to explain very slowly amdist falling about in fits of giggles. She never came back and I am not sure if she thinks Swinton Folk Club is full of raving Nazi's!

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Fudged
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:26 AM

I'm sure EB had his tongue firmly placed in his cheek when he wrote that one - but it's true, he'd never get away with performing it in case someone took it seriously.
I agree with those who talk about the advantages of a multicultural society and that many immigrants are taking up jobs few of us would touch (to be fair, though, there's also the argument that it helps keep wages low).
Personally, I'd welcome as many as want to come here. In Scotland we have a dwindling population and bags of room. I have four kids and an English wife, so I reckon I've done my share :) - so let 'em come! Even the weather's better than it is down south these days :)

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: goatfell
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:13 AM

my sister noticed this as well, I have Polish Cousins so I can't really say anything on the matter,

Eric Bogle learnt the power of song when he wrote this, it is about these nutters BNP and the like that rant and rave about Europe and the immagrants that are working over here and yet they go for Indian meals or chinese meals or other world meals ie french or American or even Australian meals or buy as they say forigen clothes.

I Hate Wogs
-Eric Bogle

I'm a dicky-dye Australian guy and me name is Blooey Schmidt.
I love this sunburned country and I'm bloody proud of it
And I love our simple way of life and the things we all hold dear
Like V.F.L. and Big Ben Pies and foamin' Tueeze beer
I love our open friendliness where a man can make good mates
In fact in all Australia there's just one thing I hate:

I hate Wogs, they live like dogs
Some eat bananas and some eat frogs
Soome wear turbans some wear clogs
All the bloody same to me 'cause I hate Wogs.

They can't speak proper English and they never seem to learn
And the awful guff that they call food would make your stomach turn
It's always dipped in garlic sauce or fried in olive oil
I've never tasted any meself, but I bet it all tastes vile!
What's wrong with good Australian food, you Slovaks and you Poles?
Good healthy stuff like pie and sauce and chips and chigger rolls

'Cause I hate Wogs, they live like dogs
Some eat bananas and some eat frogs
Soome wear turbans some wear clogs
All the bloody same to me 'cause I hate Wogs.

And the local chip shop down the street is run by a bloody Greek
He's open sixteen hours a day and seven days a week
And every cent that you spend there on a pie or on dumsim
Helps to send back home to Greece for a bastard just like him!
Oh, I never eat there meself 'cause I couldn't touch Wog meat
I usually eat at the Chinese caf' that's just across the street!

'Cause I hate Wogs, they live like dogs
Some eat bananas and some eat frogs
Soome wear turbans some wear clogs
All the bloody same to me 'cause I hate Wogs.

I was queueing down at the Registry, a-pickin' up me dole
In front of me was a Yugoslav, in front of him a Pole
Behind me was a Eyetalian, behind him was a Turk
Those lazy migrant bastards do, they never bloody work!
But in spite of what the papers say, there's work for those who want to
The wife and twenty-seven kids is all the work I'm going to!

'Cause I hate Wogs, they live like dogs
Some eat bananas and some eat frogs
Soome wear turbans some wear clogs
All the bloody same to me 'cause I hate Wogs.

So send the bastards home to Spain, and Italy and Greece
And maybe when they've all gone home, we'll get some bloody peace
To sit in the shade of the killabar tree and drink beer all day long
And run amok with a flat-bed truck, down by the billabong
And every night at twelve o'clock to show that we're not slaggards
We'll stand and sing our national song, "Advance Australia", backwards!

He doesn't sing this song anymore I wonder why.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: skipy
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:08 AM

LOL
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 08:59 AM

It is extemely worrying. I mean - all these wops, dagos, spics and spades working all the hours possible at rates that us good English lads wouldn't get out of bed for. They are taking all these jobs that no one else wants. They have to pay for accomodation and food, like us. They have to live, like us. Yet they manage to do it and still send spare money back home to wogga-wogga land and krapnicski. Makes my blood boil. What's wrong with going down the dole like the rest of us and pissing it up the wall while talking total bollocks down the swastika and crown? Shows us up no end. Send 'em all back...

Cheers

:Dave Polshaw (ex Polakow)

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 08:28 AM

What worries me is that many here are having a friendly chat with what I consider to be a troll. George, I agree with you totally.

I consider myself lucky to live in Sydney, a very multicultural city with a huge range of interesting cultures and food. My suburb is a good example. Although it is only a small shopping centre, a stroll through many of the interesting food shops is a fascinating culinary experience. I like having my horizons broadened!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Crystal
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:59 AM

One of my best friends has polish grandparents who came over here after WWII, they wanted to integrate so chose an english surname (Which she jokes is actually Scottish!). My friend is English to the core, with a good degree in History and English, a journalism qualification and a large amount of modeling work, on which she pays a lot of tax! Who says integration can't work?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Bonzo 3 legs
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 06:58 AM

Rather the educated Polish waiter/waitress than sloppy English young thing who can barely speak English!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:43 AM

In answer to the original question, no I can't say that it worries me if Poles, or extraterrestrials for that matter, are working in the local shops. I worry about a lot of things about the way the country is going, but that isn't one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:15 AM

I think that should remind everyone that the presence of Poles in the UK is nothing new. Lots of Poles arrived here during and after the 2nd World War. In my class at school, in Eastern England, in the 50s and 60s, loads of kids had Polish surnames.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 02:58 AM

That was a great trawl through the muddy waters, GUEST, James. Introducing two of your phobias, I mean: The influx of Poles/East Europeans in the UK and fear of Islam, all in one thread. What is the next one, I wonder - gays? socialists? left-handed banjo players? Anyway, you caught lots of willing takers of the bait.

I have lived here for almost 19 years, my wife is English, my children have dual nationality. Yet I never applied for UK citizenship. Ask yourself why not. The true answer would give you quite a clue.

Alternatively, go home. Lock the door. Purify the water, get your news from the TV. Less aggro, you'd be doing yourself a favour.

And the rest of us too.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,another frightened xenophobe
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 02:46 AM

yeah, absolutely right GUEST,James..

don't it just worry the shite outta you
that there are far more sneaky foreigners on this planet..
way.. way.. outnumbering us true Brits !!!!!



..and all of 'em just waiting to pounce on our precious dead-end skivvy jobs..

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: suzi
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 02:16 AM

Yeah James ... It worries me. They will take over the world one day,

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 12:43 AM

Yes, and yet my town of Orillia STILL lacks a genuinely fine Chinese restaurant! Oh, it has any number of mediocre ones that serve the standard Chinese-Canadian fare...

There was one genuinely fine Chinese restaurant here for about a year. It had REAL Chinese food. Boy, was it good. Its owners could not make a living in Orillia.

That was because only I and about 5 other people in this town would eat there! (sigh) You see, they didn't have "chicken balls" and egg rolls and stuff like that on the menu. You know, the stuff they have everywhere else?

We don't have a Thai restaurant here either.

This darned town definitely needs more immigrants.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 12:02 AM

Foolestroupe, I would bet that it is excellent. Here in Canada we have much the same; cities have almost every cuisine, and a number of restaurants have the chefs who are into 'fusion,' blending, as you say, not only styles but ingredients that seldom have been associated before. I haven't dipped into Ethiopian and and there are others I haven't tried yet, but I know I won't be disappointed.
Of course the old cuisines aren't ignored either, it's hard to beat prime Alberta beef cooked extra rare and just seared ('blue' as it is called here) and served with Yukon Gold potatoes and a bottle of Chateauneuf du pape.

Selections in the food stores have increased accordingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 11:27 PM

Australian Cusine is considered one of the most Metro/Cosmo in the world - we have probably more different ethnic originating groups than anyone else - and their foods to match. Now we have blending of many such styles.

Yum!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 10:04 PM

well call me old fashioned if you will, but I think young English lads could do worse than shag a Polish lady. they are all extremely beautiful (with those high slavic cheekbones like Nureyev). And I think the Polish blokes should attempt to screw as many English broads as possible.

This would improve the bloodline no end. And its the way things have always been. The Romans, the saxons, The Normans, the GI's(in the last war) - now its the Polish. Good luck to our gallant Polish allies!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:32 PM

Typo: Make that "the early 80s", not the early 70s. There were no computer companies in Toronto in the early 70s. At least none that I can recall. There were a whole slew of them by around '83-84, which is when I had that job.

Kermit is still with me, by the way. I found him in the vacant building when the company was starting up, and I've had him ever since.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 08:57 PM

Ha! I'll tell you what worries me, James...I was working in a small computer company in the early 70s, and one of my co-workers was a recent immigrant from Warsaw, Poland. She was smart, capable, attractive, and a good worker. But she hated frogs. I found this out because I had a stuffed Kermit the Frog figure who was the company mascot. I used to take him around on coffee breaks on stuff like that, so he could check up and see how everyone was doing.

"Get him away from me!" she said, glaring at the frog.

"Why? What's the problem?" I asked, very puzzled.

"I hate frogs!" she said emphatically.

"You can't mean that," I replied. "Nobody hates frogs. Especially, nobody hates Kermit."

"I do," she snapped.

I soon found out that she hated not only frogs, but almost ALL animals, except possibly dogs. I found that very worrisome.

On that basis of that, I have decided never again to trust anyone from Poland! They hate animals. ;-)

*****

Note: The above story is 100% true...except for the last little part. I have NOT decided never again to trust anyone from Poland. That part is a joke, okay? That's why I put the smiley after it.

I have no idea why she hated most animals, but she was fine aside from that one peculiar characteristic. I think maybe she had spent too much time in the city or something...

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: redsnapper
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 08:11 PM

Not particularly, why should it? Turkey is a secular Muslim state by the way.

RS

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 08:04 PM

Aren't the Turks muslims? Does that worry anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: redsnapper
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 08:04 PM

Germany's economy has been rocked by the process of unification, not by the Turkish community there. And the UK is, in my opinion, enriched by the presence of hardworking people like the Poles. The British can also move freely around the EU to work, but few do (I have and have benefited from the experience).

RS

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:56 PM

Well, in my part of the US, it's Mexicans. But you know what? I don't WANT to work my butt of in sugar beet fields all day in 100 + degree weather thinning sugar beets, then when the job is over, crawl in the truck and travel on. I garumdamntee you that migrant workers don't make even minimum wage.

There are LOTS of things wrong with LOTS of immigration systems, and I can't begin to go into them here.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:26 PM

The Turks have been in Germany for decades, in large numbers. Country's completely destroyed.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 07:12 PM

I don't call anyone "racist" in a discussion like this, gnu. I normally assume that other people have some understandable reasons for feeling the way they do, and I figure if I listen carefully I'll find out what their reasons are.

For the same reason, I don't call people "sexist" in a discussion.

It's like punching someone in the nose to use such words.

I think that there have been both good and bad things about how immigration has affected Canada. I've seen much that is good about it, and I've seen privileges abused as well. Sometimes people will take outrageous advantage of a bureacratic setup, and they get away with it. No one likes to witness that.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:34 PM

Not here, LH. Here, we have ******s who can't speak a word of English or French (against the immigration laws) paying $2.2M (can you say governement sponsorship?) for a commercial property that was built up over MANY years of hard labour under lease by couple of local people whose families have been scratching a living out of this area for over seven generations.

Call me racist. Go ahead. I call it unfair.

"The country has not been destoyed."

Maybe not, But these people were. And, they are not the only ones. They ain't rich. And, they will never be as rich as the the ones that bought them out of their life's work.

Call me racist. Go ahead. I call it unfair.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:29 PM

I have a plumber friend on the South Coast. He used to be self employed but the Polish plumbers coming into England and working for next to nothing have more or less put him out of business.

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Folkiedave
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:24 PM

The standard of service in Spain is light years in front of that in GB.

And my take on this for what it is worth is that is a very metro-centric view of the world. And it used to be Australians that filled the bar jobs in London.

Otherwise it is a result of the EC.

Live with it.........or campaign against it...........but watch the economy collapse if you do............

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,james
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:19 PM

might it be that the government want those who don't want to work here, to move to spain, and get the Polish to do manual tasks and only keep the brainy brits here.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:19 PM

The value of immigrants in the restaurant business is a fact of life all over the world. To stick to the UK, immigrants were serving up good food many years ago. I remember my first sojourn in the UK, some 50 years ago. In one major city I remember a place run by Cooks Islanders, with help (students) speaking a variety of languages, that had good continental cooking. Also found decent Chinese, East Indian and Lebanese food. A place run by locals I had the misfortune to visit served me inedible dried-out ('roast') chicken with soggy oatmeal which, seemingly, had been the stuffing.

Turkish cuisine can be quite interesting. I would look forward to it!

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 06:04 PM

Sounds like the same sort of complaining I've been hearing in Canada since the 1970s. The country has not been destroyed in the process. ;-) One thing has happened, though. The city of Toronto has become transformed into what seems more and more like a multi-cultural community of Third World peoples...Asian, Caribbean, and African, along with the earlier strong communities of Italians, Portuguese, Greek, Jewish and all the other European cultural groups and nationalities. It was basically an Anglo stronghold when I was a kid. Those days are gone forever...except at the level of the very rich.

So now you have Toronto: a big international city. And you have the rest of the province of Ontario: basically the Anglo community that used to dominate Toronto. Two very different worlds.

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 05:48 PM

Doesn't bother me - I'd rather be served by an intelligent and keen Polish waiter/barman than some gurning 'couldn't give a toss' local.
One of the reasons they do the jobs is because the minimum wage seems good to them, despite the crap hours. Without them our service industries would collapse (not to mention the fruit and veg industry)

Subject: RE: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,crazyhorse
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 05:41 PM

It's called the EU James. They have a right to work in the UK, it seems that (according to NI figures) over 700,000 have come in the last couple of years, now most of them must be doing something usefull eh?

They will, in time, learn English and maybe we'll grow to love beetroot who knows.

I myself have taken the opportunity to work in Holland, Belgium & Germany, it's amazing what you learn.

Subject: BS: Has anyone noticed....UK
From: GUEST,James
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 05:31 PM

Our shops and restaurants and cafes are being staffed by the Polish. They don't smile, they can't speak or understand English and wear name badges with an English name on it. Is it really so, that we have no unemployed people that can fill these vacancies? Are the numbers of british unemployed going up and the vacancies being filled by seasonal workers from Poland? What's gonna happen when the Turks come over next year? Shouldn't those who have been unemployed and claiming benefit for over 6 months be forced to take these jobs? Does anyone care?