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Lyr Req: Andrew Rose (Stan Kelly)

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Subject: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 03:19 PM

Have just stumbled across this fine song and tune. can anyone help. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 03:59 PM

Barry Finn does this one. Wait and he will show up


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:17 PM

I have only ever heard this song sung by Christy Moore.

I've found this version which is very slightly different to the one I've heard but it may not be what you are looking for.

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/sea-shanty/Andrew_Rose.htm


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Subject: Lyr Add: ANDREW ROSE
From: RTim
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM

Is this the one you want? - Tim Radford

ANDREW ROSE

Andrew Rose, the British sailor
Now to you his woes I'll name
'Twas on the passage from Barbados
Whilst on board the Mary Jane.
Chorus:
Wasn't that most cruel usage
Without a friend to interpose?
How they've whipped and mangled,
Gagged and strangled
The British sailor, Andrew Rose.

2. 'Twas on the quarter-deck they laid him,
Gagged him with an iron bar;
Wasn't that most cruel usage
To put upon a British tar?

3. 'Twas up aloft the Captain sent him
Naked beneath the burning sun,
Whilst the mate did follow after,
Lashing him till the blood did run.

4. The captain gave him stuff to swallow;
Stuff to you I will not name,
Whilst the crew got sick with horror,
While on board the Mary Jane.

5. 'Twas in a water-cask they put him;
Seven long days they kept him there.
When loud for mercy Rose did venture,
The Captain swore no man should go there.

6. For twenty days they did ill-use him,
When into Liverpool they arrived.
The Judge he heard young Andrew's story;
"Captain Rodgers, you must die."

7. Come all ye friends and near relations,
And all ye friends to interpose;
Never treat a British sailor
Like they did young Andrew Rose.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:54 PM

First person I remember hear singing it was Jim Mageean....

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 04:55 PM

There are two versions in the DT here: Andrew Rose and Andrew Ross.

Also look at the thread Lyr Req: Andrew Rose (from Mike Harding)

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 05:32 PM

RTim's version is pretty much the version I sing & it's also what Roy Plamer gives inhis "Oxford Book of Sea Songs". Roy gives an in depth bacground of the details behind this true & tragic tale.
Captain Rogers, a 37 year old Swansea man took command of the Sunderland barque the Martha & Jane in 1856 when she put into Barbados for repairs, where Andrew Rose also boarded her & signed on. The 2nd mate Charles Seymore, after finding fault with Rose's work ave him a beating. Rose jumped ship but was brought back by the Police. After sailing the 2nd mate beat him again as well as the captain & 1st mate William Miles, this became an almost daily occurrence. For singing a hymn he was gaged with an iron bolt for 1 1/2 hrs, the captain taught his dog to bite him. The 1st mate did send him aloft to furl a sail naked & whipped him up & down the rigging. He was forced into a water cask, which was then headed up with onlythe bunghole left open & then rolled around the deck after that it was lashed to the ulwarks for 12 hrs. Finlly he was suspended from the mainmast by a rope around his neck until he almost suffocated, 2 or 3 days later he lost his reasoning & died. His body was dragged to the ship's side toss over with out ceremony.
When tthe ship reached Liverpool on June 9th, 1857 the captain & the 2 mates (2nd & 3rd) were arrested, tried & found guilty. Despite a reommendation from the jury for mercy the were all sentenced to hang. The log claimed Rose went "rotten from the inside" & his treatment went unrecorded. The 2 mates sentences were commuted to imprisonment but Rogers was hung on Sept 12.

I used this song to start off the Blood & Gore workshop at the Getaway recently but the song isn't as gory as the truth.

Barry


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Subject: Lyr Add: ANDREW ROSE (Stan Kelly)
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 08 Nov 07 - 05:56 PM

I have the version by Stan Kelly on a Topic EP called The Liverpool Packet. There was Andrew Rose, Maggie May, Lowlands Away and Hullabaloo Belay. Accordion accompaniment was by an young man called Leon Rosselson!

Stan's version was a shorter variant on that already posted:


Andrew Rose, the British sailor
Now to you his woes I'll name
'Twas on a passage from Barbados
All on board of the Martha Jane.

Chorus:
And wasn't that most cruel usage?
Not a friend to interpose,
When they whipped and stripped and mangled,
That British sailor, Andrew Rose.

2. Up aloft the Captain sent him
Naked, and with nothing on,
While the mate did follow after,
Flogging till the blood did run.

3. In a harness cast they put him;
Seven long days they kept him there.
When for mercy he did venture,
None to help him did not dare.

6. So for long they did ill use him,
Till in Liverpool they lie.
The Judge he heard the shameful story;
"Captain Rodgers, you must die."

7. And then his friends and near relations
Cheered him after all his woes.
Don't ever treat a British sailor
Like they did young Andrew Rose.


Lhiats,

Bobby Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: Newport Boy
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 03:48 AM

One minor correction to Bobby Bob's Stan Kelly version. In verse 3, it's a "harness casK" not cast. A harness cask is a tub lashed to the deck and used to store mainly salted provisions.

I've been singing this version since I first heard Stan sing it in about 1959 at Soho Square. Leon Rosselson introduced him by saying "Stan & I did sums together at Cambridge". Typical Rosselson understatement!

Phil


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Andrew Rose by Stan Kelly please.
From: folkwaller
Date: 09 Nov 07 - 12:26 PM

Many thanks to you all.


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