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Subject: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Donuel Date: 15 Nov 07 - 05:36 PM A mother spoke of alternative safer sex acts to her 11 and 15 year old sons. to be exact she discussed fellatio. She even showed them a dildo! The 11 year old was heard to talk of this sex ed talk and someone got child services and the police involved. She was arrested. Then she plead guilty to avoid her sons having to testify against her. Yipes ignorance is still being enforced by law in 2007 Jeez, With friends of the kids like this who needs enemas. The talking cable news bimbos were shocked shocked and felt deeply for how this will warp the children's lives forever. I gotta get out of this excuse for a country before the inqusition reignites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:20 PM Put it in context please Donuel - which State was she in? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Bill D Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:33 PM waiting for the puns on "state" |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Nov 07 - 07:51 PM I thought parents were supposed to be responsible for their children's sex education; presumably she thought she was educating them in safer sex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Nov 07 - 08:07 PM And if it had been a father and his eleven and fifteen-year-old daughters telling them about fellatio and showing them a dildo?... |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Bobert Date: 15 Nov 07 - 08:17 PM Well, I'm sho nuff gald that I put "the talk" off with my son until he had allready been married and could have explained a few things to me... 'Er else I could be doin' hard (leave it alone...) time... Danged you can't win... The Christian Right says that they don't want no sex-ed in schools 'casue its the parent's job and then the patrent tries to do it an' ends up on jail... Beam me up, Scotty... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Donuel Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:05 PM http://www.wiscnews.com/pdr/news/255942 Wisconsin warning the mug shot of the mother may haunt you |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: katlaughing Date: 15 Nov 07 - 09:37 PM Smalley pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of exposing a child to harmful material ... Wonder if she had any National Geographics around. Though, it did say one of her sons told authorities he didn't think what she did was appropriate. So, that's okay, then, let the kid be the judge of the adults. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Peace Date: 15 Nov 07 - 10:42 PM "Son, sit down. I want to talk with you about sex." "Sure, Dad, what do you want to know?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:54 AM So my parents should have gone to jail for letting me read a couple of Freud's papers/books when I was 9? And my sister definitely should'a been John |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: GUEST,and member - Pretend I'm a Secret Santa Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:27 AM Oh, boy, am I in trouble. I've had The Sex Talk individually with all of my kids. I even suggested to my daughter that she would benefit from knowing how to please herself and not always expect intercourse alone to get her there. She wasn't 18 yet. I gave her a book and a vibrator at the time. But hell, she was 17 when she started at the university. I figure if she's old enough to walk into that lion's den, she'd better know she has permission to figure out things for herself. If she hadn't already. (And here I've been feeling a little neglectful about not politely inquiring if she figured it out. I don't need the details--I only want her to be happy and fulfilled.) How paranoid is life in the U.S.? I live in county in a state where sex toys are illegal to sell. I've just admitted to some kind of crime. Sheesh. Joe, please leave it unidentified, even if you can tell who posted this. Thanks.
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:51 AM In the article it sounds like her mistake was in discussing her first person experiences. That would be off-putting to a lot of people. Kids entering or in puberty will find the simple idea of their parents having sex hard enough to contemplate, let alone learning the details. A clinical discussion of how-to would have been sufficient, dildoes optional. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: katlaughing Date: 16 Nov 07 - 02:15 AM You're probably right, SRS. True confessions, I let my son sneak a copy of "Everything you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask" into his bedroom and pour over it with his cousin. I think he was 12 at the time. By the time my girls were interested in knowing more, it was out of print (and pre-Internet search) so we moved on to Dr. Ruth's book. I even provided one to my daughter's friend whose mother was hopeless at helping her daughter to understand anything about life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Slag Date: 16 Nov 07 - 02:27 AM Ok, now children I can't tell you what I did to make you or bring you into the world. I can't show you a model so you'll just have to drop your drawers and examine the insturmentation you have at hand. And speaking of hands... Gee, your Dad's never around when I need him. I feel sorry for this lady. I really believe she was doing the best she could with the understanding she has. Most of us would have taken a little different approach but man! she was trying. How many kids get NO instruction. I guess the judge considers STDs and unwanted pregnancy the lesser consequence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Nov 07 - 02:51 AM Absolutely insane. Although Jacqui had already had that discussion with her two kids by her first marriage before I entered the equations, and although we felt it more appropriate for the opening up of the subject to be "mother daughter" with our daughter, I was always around for the discussions and we made damn sure that our daughter knew what she needed and wanted to know before the knowledge was "critical path". Probably the biggest single responsibility a parent has towards the later life of their children is to equip them for a happy sex life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Amergin Date: 16 Nov 07 - 02:56 AM I think I would find it creepy if my mom was to talk to me about her giving some guy head....and then pulling out a dildo....what was she doing with it? Demonstrating? |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Liz the Squeak Date: 16 Nov 07 - 05:34 AM I suspect that is the crux of the matter... using the first person and having a sex toy to hand. Presumably as the children are both boys, she wasn't telling them what they could do with it? If Limpit asks me questions I answer her honestly and truthfully. I know how difficult it is, being the only one who doesn't know what the hell is going on. To say I entered adulthood as a greenhorn would be an understatement - not QUITE in the league of 'Carrie', but not that far shy of it. Mind you... we're not so far gone into StateNannydom that I'd feel I was breaking a law for telling her just what goes where and why. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Nov 07 - 07:23 AM "I let my son sneak a copy of "Everything you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask" into his bedroom and pour over it with his cousin." Perhaps "pore over it"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Nov 07 - 07:25 AM Good job she didn't buy them a bike as well! G |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Nov 07 - 07:59 AM ... well pouring over it may have led to a sticky situation ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: BanjoRay Date: 16 Nov 07 - 08:21 AM Being shown a dildo would be enough to make any teenage boy feel inadequate! Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Nov 07 - 08:25 AM One must appreciate that "American Women" are, according to apparent international reputation, so "cold," that one of the most important things a young lad can learn is how to turn the damned thing on and off for her. That may well be the limit of his "sexual participation" for a great many years - if the rumors and reputation are true. His mother should teach him at least how to twist the switch. But I don't believe all of the rumors I hear, and probably don't have a sufficient sampling to arrive at a statistically significant conclusion from personal experience. So far with my significant partners it's a little better than 50/50 against this one; but maybe I've just been lucky. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Nov 07 - 09:45 AM American women have an international reputation for being "cold"??? I didn't know that. Hmmm. Maybe it's the effect of too much time spent in large shopping malls. How do French women rate in this respect? |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Alan Day Date: 17 Nov 07 - 05:27 PM The UK has a strange attitude towards sex and the human body.Hundreds of people complained recently over a programme about Women and their Bras being the wrong size. Horror upon horror a few breasts were shown during the programme. A woman wrote " I have never been so disgusted and my children were watching at the time. A few years before of course they were feeding from her breast. An erect penis is banned from TV and Cinemas although most blokes wake up with one. At what point does the human body become disgusting to look at although we all have one? How can children be taught sexual behavour if some adults themselves cannot accept the wonder of the human body and are disgusted to even look at it? Al |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 17 Nov 07 - 05:34 PM I saw the bra programme and I've always thought that a lot of women never get measured but do it themselves. I'm sure some women spend a lot of time in discomfort or not looking their best because they are wearing the wrong size. It was one of the programmes in this series that was worth watching and I think it's the kind of thing all teenage girls should see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Nov 07 - 05:40 PM Interesting points to ponder, Alan. Is sex something we want to see in public or do we want to keep it private? And to what extent? Where do we draw the line? People have varying views on that. The same goes for seeing various parts of the body in public. It's not really so much a moral issue as it is an issue of what people feel comfortable with...or not...and that depends entirely on their own acquired understanding of culture and how they relate to various aspects like sex or nudity. I agree that there is nothing disgusting about the human body or about sex. However, it might be seen as desirable in many cultures to keep certain bodily and sexual matters private...not on public display. How do we feel, for example, about someone squatting and emptying their bowels in public or on the TV or whatever? Most of us don't want to see that! ;-) Dogs, however, don't care a hoot about it, it doesn't offend them, so it's not really a moral issue...it's a cultural issue. Cavemen probably didn't care about it either. It all depends on what you are used to, and what you consider normal permissible public behaviour in YOUR culture. That varies. At the one extreme you have prudishness and suppression. At the other extreme, you have gross exploitation of humans simply to make money or to create a sensation (which normally makes money!). Either extreme is a form of social illness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: frogprince Date: 17 Nov 07 - 05:51 PM I've lost the specifics on an item that was in the paper a couple of months ago, in which a woman protested a nude statue that was put out in public. The lady complained that she "was forced to explain what a penis was to her daughters". It apparently didn't occur to her that, if the girls had no baby brother, this may have been more of an appropriate opportunity . |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Bill D Date: 17 Nov 07 - 05:59 PM Here you go...All you need to know about sex what? you are dubious? A synopis here |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Naemanson Date: 17 Nov 07 - 06:28 PM Bill D - Thanks for that link. That site is a great resource above and beyond the old sex ed text. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Nov 07 - 06:33 PM So basically, keep it clean, keep it to yourself and eat lots of cornflakes then. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Nov 07 - 09:58 PM I remember my father and mother discussing a book that they thought extremely trite from their youth--something with a title along the lines of "What Every Young Man Should Know." Apparently very restrictive in the knowledge it imparted. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Liz the Squeak Date: 18 Nov 07 - 04:04 AM So it didn't include things like 'put the seat down after you pee', 'there are other positions besides comatose' and 'never fart in bed and hold her head under the covers'? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Mooh Date: 18 Nov 07 - 08:00 AM Can't believe the boys didn't already know about it all. Don't they surf porn sites, don't they gossip on the school yard, don't they have imagination? Can't imagine this happening in Ontario, but I could be wrong, it's pretty weirdly PC (or whatever) these days. Here, give me a hand with this... Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: SINSULL Date: 18 Nov 07 - 08:20 AM The key here is that one of sons after being taken to a counselor by the mother told the counselor that he was uncomfortable with the talk. I will bet that those were not his words. Nothing was said in the artical about whether or not the children were removed from the home. If not, then what the hell was this all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Alan Day Date: 18 Nov 07 - 05:42 PM The strange thing is that a few hours into a Mediteranian holiday a woman lying naked on a beach is quite exceptable, as is a nudist beach.If a woman or man wants to sunbathe nude what is the problem? Two girls recently lying on a beach in the UK noticed a CCtv camera pointed at them.In pure fun they exposed their breasts to the camera and were prosecuted for indecency.For me the camerman was the one that was being indecent. I once was amused by a couple engaged in having sex in broad daylight in a park.Strangely not too far away from a path.The most amusing was the passers by doing a double take on what was going on.The woman apart from being a little red faced when she got to her feet walked away with her lover as if it was a common experiance.(pardon the pun).My bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich and a bottle of orange went down well. Al |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Nov 07 - 07:05 PM Young people always find the idea of old people having sex "gross". They need a bit of educating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Nov 07 - 07:28 PM Well, they are usually under the impression that sex didn't really exist until they discovered it. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: The Walrus Date: 19 Nov 07 - 05:51 AM Who was it wrote "... Sexual Intercourse began in 1963, Between the 'Lady Chatterly' Trial And the Beatles' first LP..." " |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: gnomad Date: 19 Nov 07 - 06:26 AM Sexual intercourse began In nineteen sixty-three (Which was rather late for me)— Between the end of the Chatterley ban And the Beatles' first LP. My Dad's last boss, Phillip Larkin, in 1967. It was rather too early for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Nov 07 - 05:01 PM I wanted to make sure my kids got reasonable sex education, and I figured my ex was too uptight to do it, so I told them a lot - to the point where they were a bit uncomfortable. I didn't get to fellatio and dildoes - I think that would be going a bit far. People need to know about fellatio and dildoes, but some things are better learned from books. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Bill D Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:51 PM My parents told me 'almost' nothing. I vaguely remember my father trying to link dogs mating to 'birds & bees', but I'm not sure I really showed much interest. When I did get interested, I didn't even LIKE 'peer-group' jokes and obvious confusion on many points, so I actually want to the library and read things and added that to common sense and worked most of it out for myself. (and back then, Micky Spillane was writing "I, the Jury" and such, and 'imagery' was added..*little grin*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:12 PM As a girl, you aren't supposed to read Spillane or Fleming. The only literature deemed suitable for my teenage years was Thomas Hardy (who probably thought fellatio was an Italian painter) and Jane Austin, or the sort of Mills and Boon romance where the raciest bits went something like 'his muscular arms enfolded her softly yielding body dot dot dot'. It's no wonder I'm still not sure what it's all called! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: skarpi Date: 20 Nov 07 - 01:18 AM jesus , you have a sick law in the USA but its okei to get the kids games that shows you how to kill and beat up people ??? and then you are suprised how the young people has become . teach the kid something about good and healthy sex , well if the parents dont do it then who will , the school? is he willing to do that in the USA ? is not someone who is ready call the police if the school does that ?? jesus maria , I feel sorry for you out there all the best Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Nov 07 - 02:49 AM Was it Jack Nicholson said "Show a tit, it's "R" rated. Cut a tit of, it's "PG""? |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Donuel Date: 20 Nov 07 - 11:45 AM jesus , you have a sick law in the USA but its okei to get the kids games that shows you how to kill and beat up people ??? this country a corporation has all the rights of an individual citizen. Corporations also have priviledges of an international entity to evade taxes and use NAFTA priviledges to reverse local laws and zoning. A real person in this country has fewer rights privileges, social help, income and freedom than any time over the last 20 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: robomatic Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:14 PM George Carlin did a wonderful bit as part of "The Seven Deadly Words". What if we took the word 'kill' off our television set and put in the word "f-" "Sheriff, we're goin' to f- ya now. But we're gonna f- ya slow!" I am truly devastated when the world shifts to emulate Donuel's version of it- |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: GUEST,Billl the sound Date: 21 Nov 07 - 07:40 PM When is sex education going to include practical lessons? |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: JohnInKansas Date: 21 Nov 07 - 07:56 PM At Newsweek [quote] In Trouble For Show And Tell By Roya Wolverson NEWSWEEK Updated: 1:20 PM ET Nov 17, 2007 For Demarcus Blackwell, having the "sex talk" with his 15-year-old son was "kind of embarrassing." But that was nothing compared with the idea of explaining sexual harassment to his preschooler. "He doesn't have the slightest clue about sex anything," says Blackwell, of Waco, Texas, whose 4-year-old son Christopher was suspended last year for sexual harassment when a female school aide reported that the child buried his face in her chest when she hugged him. "How do you explain what's a better kind of hug?" Blackwell is one of a number of parents whose kindergartners and first graders are being suspended, often for days at a time, for sexual misconduct based on behavior like hugging, poking and pinching classmates or school staff. In Ohio, 74 first graders were suspended for "unwelcome sexual conduct" last year, up from 52 in 2005. In Virginia, at least 13 kindergartners have been suspended in each of the last three years for "sexual touching." Massachusetts and Maryland also note recent increases in rates of pint-size offenders. Some educational professionals are shocked that states are even collecting data about sexual harassment among children so young. "For real? I'm suddenly scared that my daughter shows her panties all the time," says Amy Rezzonico of the Arizona Department of Education ... Experts, however, say the hard-line approach is punishing normal developmental behavior. Five- and 6-year-old kids "need to touch," says Nan Stein, a senior research scientist at the Wellesley Centers for Women. "Whether it's 'show me yours and I'll show you mine' or snapping each other's clothes, let's not confuse sexual behavior with sexual harassment." Blackwell, whose attempt at explanation only baffled his son, says that Christopher is "asexual." That may have changed since the words "sexual harassment" entered his vocabulary. [end quote] No comment required? John |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: skarpi Date: 22 Nov 07 - 01:49 AM a " hug " is an sexual harassment:>( o dear , what next ?? ALL the best Skarpi Iceland |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Emma B Date: 22 Nov 07 - 06:40 AM When is a hug "sexual harassment"? I had a poignant example of this when working as a Social Worker. A young man of 18 years with Down's syndrome moved from the chidrens' home (where he had been treated as a lovable/loving infant and exchanged rewards of hugs with his carers) to an adult sheltered environment. On his first venture into independent life he had approached a young woman on the street and unexpectedly greeted her with a warm hug; she was understandably taken aback and felt that the incident ammounted to an "assault". Finding the "right age" at which "normal" development involves touching and "sexual exploration" and where "inappropiate sexual behaviour" might even be an indication of sexual abuse is not easy as developmental rates can vary from child to child. My own personal feelings are that, for many, 11 years of age is a little young to discuss details of fellatio or sex toys unless the youngster requests information themselves having heard something in the playground or on the net. I'm not really suprised that a child of this age could be made to feel acutely uncomfortable by his mother discussing her personal sexual activities with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: woman pleads guilty of sex ed From: Becca72 Date: 22 Nov 07 - 07:55 AM Sounds to me like the teacher's aide in John's article needs to get into another line of work... |
