BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:36 PM

>>From: M.Ted
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 08:05 AM

Both of you are getting worse with age, Jack--I have no issue here, save civility, and both you and the blushing bride have serious boundary issues. And worse, you aren't much fun.<<

So you are protesting incivility by being condescending and sarcastic.

OK, fine.

At least now we no where you stand.

BTW, I try you have fun, but for me, having my whole family and culture slagged every twelve months isn't much fun for me. Its tough to be light hearted about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: gnu
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:31 PM

Well, it's Friday afternoon. Been a long, hard week in many ways. Just came from the beer store after I was at the bank after I was at the lawyer's to pick up the cheque for the hunting/fishing camp I sold. Thought I'd sip an ale and let the stress ebb away, so I came in here to see if there were any revalations.

BTW, Don't hunt anymore. Last time I fired my old dirty thirty at a deer it wasn't at the deer. First shot was over it, then in front of it to turn it back to the woods, then into the trees behind it to keep it moving. Otherwise, the inexperienced hunter on stand down the road might a shot the little six-pointer. Only reason I had the gun with me was in case a bears.

Anyway, I read >>Do deer hunters gather in large groups then herd deer them then kill them in large numbers?<< Yeah. And they use hounds to do it, as well.

M.Ted. Ya know, if ya keep shovellin shit, yer gonna dig a hole so deep, ya mightn't never git out.

Peace... that thar caribou stew was mostly fat n gristle.

I was eatin caribou, moose, deer NB), ruffed grouse (NB), speckled trout, seal flipper pie... and a wee bit of Lamb's Navy one night in the Codroy Valley north a Channel Port-aux-Basques (look it up ye ferriners). Me buddy's neighbours were over and one young lass of the tender age of 96 never said peep until the pie. She simply smiled, listened, nodded, and was just so sweet. Talk turned to the cod... the Portugese and Spaniards and Russians... the Feds and their biologists and their quotas... the rise in water temp... the scallop draggers.... the moratorium... Mary cleared her throat and there was silence. She raised her head and glanced about the tale, ackowledging each, as if to say, "Thank you for the floor.", and said, "It's the fookin seals."

After the laughter subsided, talk turned to other things, and Mary never said peep until the goodbyes... at 3AM. It was the best laugh of the night and I shall never forget it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:22 PM

The evolution of a thread . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:12 PM

Also, M Ted, I would like to point out that I have made no personal attacks on you in this thread (nor any other thread, as far as I can remember), while you have made two on me here in this thread. It seems to me that you're also not on very firm ground when you point fingers at others about not being civil or very much fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:13 AM

I didn't realize there was a problem between you and me, M Ted. That's too bad, but I'm not going to censor my opinions because you might dislike me if I don't. I find it rather perverse of you that you accuse me of having boundary issues because I'm am telling people to correct the problems in their own back yard before they go pointing fingers at other peoples' back yards.

Attacking my personality is just another (in my opinion, rather childish) way of trying to win an argument with personal attacks in the absence of any kind of real argument.

And I'm not getting worse with age. I've always been this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: meself
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:52 AM

Another helpful contribution ...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:44 AM

Them Seal Whackers

Look at them seal whackers
Ain't they fun
Slippin' on ice
And packn' them guns

Packin' them long guns
Packin' them short
Whackin' them seals
Is a real fine sport

Whackin' them females
Whackin' them pups
Whackin' anything
What done show'd up

Don't need no per-mit
Ain't this a racket
Pick you a seal
Walk up and whack it!

             ~ me

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: meself
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:39 AM

Oh dear.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: M.Ted
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 08:05 AM

Both of you are getting worse with age, Jack--I have no issue here, save civility, and both you and the blushing bride have serious boundary issues. And worse, you aren't much fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 12:02 AM

It is apples and oranges, but even so, the seal hunt is

Deer do not eat cod?<<

I've seen deer killed because they eat rose bushes and Moose killed because they eat cabbage.

>>Do deer hunters gather in large groups then herd deer them then kill them in large numbers?<<

Seal hunters don't do that, not the ones we are talking about anyway. You can't herd harp seals. Perhaps you are thinking about the Alaska hunt. Which is perfectly legal and not protested because the Coast Guard would kick Paul Watsons ass.

>>Do deer hunters kill off the young & not the adults?<<

No they pervert nature by killing off the best breeding stock during breeding season for the sake of trophies. Most states call it a cull but I is actually antithetical to responsible game management.

>>Are the methods in hunting the same & does one have a better sporting chance than the other?<<

They are not exactly the same. But on average, the seal has a much better chance than the deer.

For one thing they are protected by numbers, There are six million seals, only 278,000 will be taken this year. The odds against an individual seal are one in twenty.
The are protected by the environment, hundreds of thousands of square miles, ice flows, bad weather. I'd wager a lot more men have died hunting seals than deer, yet thousands of times more deer have been killed.
As far as the sport goes, have you ever tried to shot the bobbing head of a deer from a moving boat? Where the deer could dive and swim hundreds of yards underwater any time that he wants. Now imagine a head about half as large. The seal hunt can be very very sporting.

>>No, they also don't take the young & there are laws prohibiting the number one hunter can take per season & they make the taking of females into consideration too

The laws vary from state to state. Some states allow a deer a day every day of the year. But the seal hunt is certainly more regulated than any deer hunt. For instance, my Dad and everyone one else in the seal fishery has to report their catch daily so that the quota is not exceeded. He also had to take special training in methods to insure that the animal is dispatched as quickly and humanely as possible. His is not Bubba in a deer blind drinking beer who is in no shape to track a deer if he wings one.

I am not saying that Bubba is common. But I don't see Paul Watson in the woods of the US trying to take his picture.

That is the main difference between hunting seal and deer. White ice and open spaces, leading to publicity. Leading to money, and a nice home and ecogroupies for lying assholes for Paul Watson.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 11:28 PM

Barry,

It is understandable that you have not read through the whole thread. What was said about the deer hunt was within the context of a larger point.

In answer to EJ's original post. It is my contention that my family and my home province are NOT irrational barbarians because they hunt seals.

It is my contention that killing animals for meat and fur, or leather or whatever, is inherently cruel from the point of view of the animal, but one form of hunt or butchering, is not morally inferior or more irrational than any other. The animal is dead. If the person killing the animal is doing it in a humane way and if the species is not endangered, if it for food, clothing, income, medical research or any other reasonable use, it is no worse or better than the death of any other animal.

What is barbaric and irrational, in my opinion, is insulting people and trying to deprive them of income and food who are of miles away. But not protesting a similar thing in one's own back yard.

I am not saying that the seal hunt is better than deer hunting. I am saying it is no worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 11:25 PM

Deer do not eat cod?

So you think it's bad to kill seals because they eat cod? I don't understand.

Do deer hunters gather in large groups then herd deer them then kill them in large numbers?

Deer are killed in much larger numbers than the seals are. Millions as opposed to hundreds of thousands. Why does it matter how the hunters group themselves in order to do the killing? And why would it matter whether or not the deer hunters herded the deer? A lot of deer hunters put out salt licks so that the deer will become accustomed to being in the spot where the hunter wants to shoot them. Still other deer hunters have machines that broadcast corn in the spot where the hunters want to kill their deer at certain times every day so that they not only will know where the deer are for shooting, but even what time of day the deer will be there for them to kill. Now really, Barry. You tell me in what way this is more sporting than the way the seals are hunted and killed.

Do deer hunters kill off the young & not the adults?

Deer hunters do the unnatural thing by killing off the biggest and healthiest adults. If you pay attention to nature it's the young and the sick and infirm that are killed by natural predators, not the healthiest and biggest adults. Killing the best adult specimens, as the deer hunters do, is actually detrimental to the overall health of the deer population. So in that way, it's actually worse than killing the young.

Are the methods in hunting the same & does one have a better sporting chance than the other?

See what I said about the salt licks and corn feeders.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Barry Finn
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:57 PM

"why are the people who are protesting the seal hunt not also protesting the deer hunt?"

Deer do not eat cod?

Do deer hunters gather in large groups then herd deer them then kill them in large numbers?
Do deer hunters kill off the young & not the adults?
Are the methods in hunting the same & does one have a better sporting chance than the other?

No, they also don't take the young & there are laws prohibiting the number one hunter can take per season & they make the taking of females into consideration too.

I don't see that we're comparing apples to apples in this comparsion.

Now if I had lobster traps & lived by the sea I'd take lobsters, I love them as much as I like beef, pork, lamb, chicken, fish & shellfish, I'm not big on veggies but I do like fruit. But I believe that lobsters shouldn't be taken at the rate they're allowed. Their length should be extended so that they have a fair chance of being able to spawn a few times 1st. Right now, at least in the US they're allowed to be taken just before they reach reproduction age, I may be wrong, if so please correct me. I'd say that there should be a consideration for fair play so that they have a better chance of increasing their population as well as their survival as a spiecies.
So I'd be for a change in the regs.

Is this same sense of fair play being allowed by the hunters as well as by law in the case of the harp seal? Inquiring minds would like to know.

The deer hunt is an individual pursuit, it's also not a commerical pursuit & is done generally by & for the benifit of the individual hunter. They take only a few per season & those that they take are regulated by age & sex.

Now when you compare this to the moose or elk hunt, you are also not comparing apples to apples. Lets agree to drop the deer thing.

Before WWI, the seal industry went into decline, it was no longer profitable to hunt by the methods in use at the time, What's changed since then?

I'm still not seeing the need for the mass hunting of the harp seal. Am I just not getting it or is there just not enough going for the hunters justification to hunt out the young pups for the bit of fur & meat.

Is the meat of the adult harp seal any better or worst that the meat from a pup?
I understand that the fur of the young whitecoat is the most disirable.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:39 PM

Looks like M.Ted is turning his back on the debate in favor of pooh tossing. As I said to PDQ. Start yourself a shit flinging thread and get permission from the moderators. I'll be your huckleberry.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:26 PM

So don't read them. But you make yourself look foolish if you respond to them without actually knowing what's in them.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: M.Ted
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:20 PM

You're right, of course--it is rather trying to read your posts--

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:13 PM

It is also some what amusing that someone who is morally opposed to eating meat should be such an aggressive advocate of the, ah, "Seal Thinning"--

I never said I don't eat meat because I'm morally opposed to it. You're putting words in my mouth here as well. The only thing I've said is that I don't eat meat. Try actually reading what I write before responding to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 10:07 PM

You're the one who wants people to let the seal hunt alone and protest the deer hunt instead.

No I'm not, M Ted. You're putting words in my mouth. What I am saying is that if you protest the seal hunt and not the deer hunt, you are being hypocritical. And in the case of Lonesome EJ's arguments, singling out the killing of seals for fur for condemnation in the absence of condemning all other kinds of killing of animals for fur is being hypocritical. And it's also condescending, patronizing, and incredibly arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: M.Ted
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:03 PM

Carol--You're the one who wants people to let the seal hunt alone and protest the deer hunt instead.

I think it's absurd for you to tell people what they should or shouldn't protest. It is also some what amusing that someone who is morally opposed to eating meat should be such an aggressive advocate of the, ah, "Seal Thinning"--

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:18 PM

IMO, the best way to have cariboo is slow roasted with liquid.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: gnu
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 06:11 PM

I have eaten seal. Anyone else?... besides the obvious crowd of poor Atlantic Canucks. Did NOT care for it. Nor did I care for the Caribou stew, but, when in Makkovik.... yer lucky ta get fed.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:11 PM

and your wrestling uniform? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:11 PM

Ours was a travel trailer, but we live in a house now.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:08 PM

By the way, my trailer is a double wide. 1742 square feet. A real beaut with jetted spa and a built-in stereo. *smile*

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:05 PM

Thanks for the info PDQ. Mostly they support my points.
Do you know that Greenland is not part of Canada?
Do you know that 1999 was nine years ago?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 04:01 PM

"It was the commercial demand for harp seal oil and skins in the late 18th century that gave rise to the sealing industry. By 1850 the annual seal hunt was worth between $1.0 and $1.25 million to Newfoundland. At that time much of this revenue came from the sale of oil, an odourless, tasteless, clear liquid obtained by rendering (melting down) the thick layer of fat attached to the skin. Harp seal oil became valued as a fuel for lamps, a cooking oil, and a lubricant.

Since the 1950's, fur and leather, oil and meat have been the principal products of the hunt, representing approximately 76%, 10%, and 14%, respectively, of the income derived by Canadian sealers. The value added to Atlantic Canada's economy in 1982 was estimated at $10 to $12 million. This included revenues to sealers in the neighbourhood of $500,000 derived from the sale of carcasses and flippers for food, mainly in Newfoundland."


Lots more definitive information at this site:

                  here

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:50 PM

A limit of 275,000 per year, eh?

"In Greenland, harp seal hunting is unregulated. Combined with the number of seals killed as fishery bycatch, estimates of around 465,000 harp seals in the northwest Atlantic population were killed each year from 1997-1999. These figures exceed the birth rate and therefore there are concerns that harp seal populations are declining. Harp seals are killed at the same rate as they were between 1950-1970 when the northwest Atlantic harp seal population declined by as much as 50%.

Juvenile 'whitecoats' were often killed for their fur in Canada and in the Arctic, however public outcry in 1983 influenced the European Economic Community to ban the import of whitecoat products, and in Canada, commercial hunting of whitecoats has been banned since 1987.

Unfortunately, it appears that Canadian sealers are searching for new markets in Canada and internationally, and hope to persuade the United States and the European Union to lift trade barriers on seal products. Not only is harp seal oil marketed, male harp seal genitals are exported to Asia as 'aphrodisiacs'."

                         from here

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:47 PM

By the way, pdq, the tone and content of your personal attacks on this thread (and one or two others) lead me to believe that you are one of the people who used to make personal attacks on me as an anonymous guest back when it was possible to do that here.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:47 PM

There is nothing to be ashamed of in living in a trailer park. A trailer park is just a place to live and ours was clean and peaceful out lot was full of of trees. There are good people in trailer parks and bad. Just as there are good and bad here on the Mudcat.

I think that once a person resorts to name calling and stereotypes instead of discussion, he is telling everyone that he considers the discussion a contest which he has lost and now wants to start another type of contest which he thinks he can win. I'm not interested in that on this thread. But if he wants to start another, and the moderators don't mind, the trailer park comment was clearly intended to be a personal attack, I have an insult contest with him. I'll be his huckleberry.

But on this thread we are discussing a serious issue in a mature manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:38 PM

No, it's people like you who make threads about me. That's because in the absence of any kind of legitimate argument, you resort to personal attacks (like the trailer park comment).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:36 PM

Ah, CarolC, the "wind-up insult machine".

As has been been pointed out many times, you make every thread abou you. Look up NPD in your spare time.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:31 PM

I can see your shoes under those white robes, pdq.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:27 PM

Gee whiz, CarolC, you'd think from your response that I had insulted a Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:10 PM

I have no problem with killing deer. But EJ just said the deer hut was OK while the Seal Hunt wasn't.

He's bambified without giving a hoot about Bambi.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 03:06 PM

Is it wrong to kill deer, M Ted?


Jack the Sailor and CarolC are special.

They were the tag team champions of their trailer park.

What an ignorant thing to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Bee
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 02:48 PM

PDQ, did you think that 'trailer park' jab was funny? It wasn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: M.Ted
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 02:34 PM

I don't understand why it's wrong to kill deer, but not wrong to kill seals.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: meself
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:17 PM

This guy's views do not seem terribly inconsistent with those of Watson, who has apparently called the human race 'a virus - like AIDS'. Note his reaction to the recent deaths of four sealers ...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:12 PM

Sure gets murky in them waters, don't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:10 PM

"Violence against sealers OK: activist
Last updated Apr 19 2005 10:54 AM ADT
CBC News
ST. JOHN'S – A senior member of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society – which has spent the last month campaigning against the East Coast seal hunt – says violence is necessary to bring the seal industry to an end. Jerry Vlasak, a long-time board member of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, has even gone so far in the past as to endorse assassination as a means to save animal life – views that have prompted British authorities from barring him entry to their country. Earlier this month, Vlasak protested the spring hunt off the Magdalen Islands. "I was punched in the face by a sealer with his bare knuckles while I was trying to have a rational conversation," he said. However, it was Vlasak who was charged with interfering with the seal hunt – and it is not his only cause. A California physician, Vlasak has spoken on behalf of such groups as the Animal Liberation Front, which is considered a terrorist threat by the FBI. Vlasak once told an animal rights conference that killing research scientists would save lab animals.

"If these vivisectors were being targeted for assassination, and call it political assassination or what have you … strictly from a fear and intimidation factor, that would be an effective tactic," he said.

Such comments were enough to get Vlasak banned from entering Britain last year. In an interview with CBC, Vlasak did not back down from those views, and said sealers are in the same league as animal researchers. "Are these people comparable to people that chop up animals in laboratories just to further their academic careers? Yeah, I think they're all abhorrent in a certain way, yes," he said. "The threat of violence would be another way to stop them and I would be behind that threat." David Martosko, a Washington researcher who tracks groups like the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, says Vlasak represents a dangerous side of the animal rights movement. "They are not animal welfarists, they're animal liberationists," he says. "That's a very, very dangerous philosophy to espouse, especially if you're willing cross the line into violence to achieve it." While British officials have barred Vlasak from entering their country, Canadian authorities knew nothing about him or the violence he endorses. Vlasak will be back in Canada in the coming months to fight charges laid at the seal hunt."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: meself
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:10 PM

"scapegoating one species for our destruction of another is not an answer"

Nor is sanctifying one species for our destruction of others ...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Peace
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:06 PM

"And, all respect to the fairness of most of your views, Peace, I and others have the right to criticize and voice our opinions on anything we please, in or outside of Canada. "

And something I said indicated to you that you don't have that right?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: meself
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:02 PM

What the heck is that supposed to mean? (Does the term 'class prejudice' come to mind?)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:45 PM

Jack the Sailor and CarolC are special.

They were the tag team champions of their trailer park.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:21 PM

EJ,

>>.Meat processing on a commercial basis has always been minimal since consumption is restricted to the domestic market in Atlantic and Arctic Canada especially in Newfoundland. The hunt is not done for the meat, not on the idnustrial level.

CarolC, deer are killed and processed, primarily for the meat, by individual hunters. As I have said before, I have nothing against either hunting or meat eating.<<

Are the deer processed? on an industrial level? .

Let me help you with that answer. No. You will have to split some very very very fine hair to say that the deer hunt was more moral than the seal cull.
Ohioans kill deer for meat and trophies. Newfoundlanders kill seals for meat, fur and omega 3 fatty acid acid supplements.

PDQ your arguments are are also descending into silly territory.
Killing Buffalo on their natural turf when there are 19 million OK
Killing seals when they are on their own turf when there are six million and the population is growing, not OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:13 PM

And if killing "only" for fur is not a legitimate reason to kill, where is your protest of animals being trapped only for their fur in the US?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:10 PM

How about trophy hunters, Lonesome EJ? Where is your protest of that practice?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:07 PM

From the official site of the Canadian Seal Association (the Seal Industry group)...Meat processing on a commercial basis has always been minimal since consumption is restricted to the domestic market in Atlantic and Arctic Canada especially in Newfoundland. The hunt is not done for the meat, not on the idnustrial level.

Sorry Peace, the meat question doesn't come down to "either its right or wrong to kill animals". If a rabid dog attacks your wife, we can all agree its right to kill it. If we're hungry for chicken, and most of us are..just ask Col Sanders..most of us think it's right to kill a chicken. When a bear is shot by a celebrity in a pen from the safety of a tree stand in order to have his picture taken with his kill, it's wrong to kill the animal. When animals are killed for no useful purpose, it is always wrong. Now, if CarolC and Jack and the rest think there is a useful purpose, they'll go on doing it, or condoning doing it anyway. If the purpose is stated as "it's for the meat", then that certainly is bullshit. If the purpose stated is to allow the cod to reestablish, that at least is debatable, although almost all science agrees that the seals don't have that kind of impact.
No argument that humans have done a lousy job of stewardship of the planet's resources, but scapegoating one species for our destruction of another is not an answer.
And, all respect to the fairness of most of your views, Peace, I and others have the right to criticize and voice our opinions on anything we please, in or outside of Canada. I believe that my arguments in this thread have been for the most part rational and reserved. I have tried to take the opposition's viewpoint into consideration, and have learned something from the exchange.
CarolC, deer are killed and processed, primarily for the meat, by individual hunters. As I have said before, I have nothing against either hunting or meat eating.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: pdq
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 12:06 PM

You have nothing but your opinion to back that statement.

Please do some research on the sardine population collapse in California. One year billions of them, a few years later, almost completely gone. Nobody knows the minimum population harp seals that would trigger such a collapse, so we have no right to risk that happening. Go buy yerseff a 'tin' of tuna.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Escalates Seal Slaughter Defense
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 11:59 AM

know better