BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:26 PM

It's interesting that there seem to be more educated voters--that is, Obama supporters---on Mudcat than those who oppose him. And those who oppose him tend rather to a simplistic approach to economics and politics, and a desperate search for scapegoats---Mexicans, religion, "the media"--anything but having to actually grapple with their own flaws.

"The fault, dear Brutus...."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:44 PM

There are problems, of course, in trying to prevent mindless Obama supporters from running the country off a cliff, and there isn't a lot of time for trivial pusuits, that is for those of us who care what happens.

                      If we could only get people to think for themselves the world would be a much better place for those of us who truly care.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:55 PM

Perhaps you'd like to say that last line while looking in the mirror--and you can stop at the word "think". That would be progress--and might even indicate that religion, Mexicans, the "media"-- or whatever your scapegoat du jour happens to be--is not in fact responsible for all your problems.

Big progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:01 PM

Obviously "thinking" is not what Obama supporters are all about. They've been overcome by the "Wilderbeast Syndrome," and all they can think about is the asshole under the tail in front of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:19 PM

Rig:

That, sir, is blatant stink on your part; your bitter and sour underlayment is showing through rather badly. I think you should apologize, not something I say very often.

The fact is that Pbama's presentations in general ar emore thoughtful, IMHO and more rational than John McCain's are, or than Hillary's were. One example, the summer gas-tax party.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:55 PM

Rig and Ron, Rig and Ron.
Man, it just goes on and on.

But what will you do for fun after the election is over?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:24 AM

"The fact is that Pbama's presentations in general ar emore thoughtful, IMHO and more rational than John McCain's are, or than Hillary's were..."


                         I'll admit McCain is all over the map. I think this has to do with the reality that he needs the right-wing-religious-wakkos to compete with Obama on money, so he's more of less prevented from doing much of anything else right now.

                         As far as Hillary, her presentations were far more cogent than Obama's ever could have been.



                              LH - When the election is over, I expect Ron to pick up the self-righteous cause of declaring runaway human population growth to be a very good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:40 PM

I see. ;-)

Well, what is your solution for that?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:47 PM

Engage in family planning and avoid listening to Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 01:01 PM

We need more people, Rig, and it should be obvious. The rerason is simple. Only 1-2% of the human race has the vision and brains to tackle the Big Issues. Right now, there are more Big Issues than ever befo0re, too many for 1-2% of our number to tackle. THerefore we need to raise a higher number of 1-2% brains. This means the totral has to be higher, as well, obviously, or we are doomed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 01:49 PM

Maybe we could figure out a way to get a larger percentage of the people we have to actually engage in the activity of thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 09:00 PM

That's it... I'm going to quit starting threads...

This has become a tennis match and, frankly, my neck is gettin sore... lol...

Now back to the rigs-'n-ron show...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:08 PM

Well, if you say so, Bobert. Once more into the breach.




Gee, it seems I may have struck a nerve.

All I'm trying to so is stick up for logic and evidence, and recognition that issues don't lend themselves often to the simplistic approach preferred by the Obama opposition. But it seems said posters prefer conspiracy theories and scapegoat hunting. And the list of scapegoats seems to be endless. Right now the top contenders appear to be Mexicans, religion, and "the media". But others seem to be waiting in the wings.

As I said earlier, it's no wonder propaganda works--with people so easily led by the nose.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:35 PM

Bobert - You're right. None of this is getting us anywhere. Folks just need to be left alone to make up their own minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 10:37 AM

As long as people are aware that the only way to keep McCain out of the presidency is to vote for Obama. Any scheme about exchanging votes depends on a degree of trust which only the naive would expect.

McCain, as I've noted, believes and has stated that the US was founded as a Christian nation. And that when immigrants come here, they know this.

And he will appoint Supreme Court justices who reflect his belief--which is also shared by the religious Right--whose votes he depends on heavily.

Only the clueless would not realize this.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:23 PM

"Only the clueless would not realize this. "

Ah, yes, "the clueless". ;-) And what would we do without them? America just wouldn't BE America anymore without the clueless, would it? Nor would most other places! Imagine it. A world devoid of the clueless! What a mind-numbing concept to ponder. Where would we get role models for those "stupid" characters around which most of our comedy entertainment is built? How would NASCAR drivers and crack dealers make a living? What would happen to commercial TV??? And how the hell would the Democrats and Republicans maintain their present stranglehold on the White House without the willing and ready assistance of "the clueless"?

And where would George Bush be without "the clueless"? Huh? I ask you that!

It's a damned scary proposition. I, for one, am greatly relieved that there is very little likelihood of "the clueless" ever vanishing, because if they did, the world as we know it might come to a crashing end.

"Folks just need to be left alone to make up their own minds." - Riginslinger

Ah HAH! Now, there is the statement of a wise man. Riginslinger, I am inclined to deduce from that that you may not be securely lodged among the ranks of "the clueless".

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:26 PM

Well, that's flattering, Little Hawk, but I don't think you'll get Ron to agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:32 PM

Getting Ron to agree with anything would be like trying to talk a mosquito into not biting.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 01:03 PM

Folks need to make up their own minds. They need to do it on the best and clearest information they can get.

The fact that on the eve of the invasion of Iraq up to 60% of the American public, thereabouts, believed Hussein had a direct connection with the attacks on the WTC is an appalling reminder that the commodity of stupidity or wilful ignorance and hypnotic suggestibility is still a very hot market.

Those who promulgate snide and hate-filled generalizations --a sin of which I am not wholly innocent--need to consider what they are contributing to the matrix of knowledge--or lack thereof--of the culture into which they inject their statements.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 01:11 PM

The last time I looked into it, there were still a large number of people who thought Saddam Hussein was involved in the 911 attacks. It's totally amazing to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM

There will still be people like that 20 years from now. Nothing replecates itself as effectively as dead stupid blind ignorance.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:24 PM

"...make up their own minds". Great idea. As long as they realize there is only one way to stop McCain from becoming president: supporting Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:48 PM

Oh well!