BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 01:11 PM

To say your logic is convoluted is an understatement, Amos.

You are, by your history here, utterly incapable of thinking outside that wee, conventional box you inhabit.

You can't even conceive of an American society that isn't controlled by the duopoly.

So why bother your pointy little head trying to figure it out?

There, there go have a nice Sunday rest.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 18 May 08 - 01:20 PM

Aw Jaysus, Fantz, obvously you see right through me, don't you?

I am revealed tot he world as a pointy-headed, strictly in the box, kool-aid drinking, numb-nutted conformist who cannot imagine a world not owned and run by the two-party system.

You, on the other hand, are a free-spirit, free-thinking, steely-eyed visionary who sees right through the clouds of corruption and dismal duplicity being foisted on the American people by fools like me.

You stand with history's heros, and I lie with the dross of yesteryears conventional thinkers.Come the revolution, I shall be cast down, or maybe shot, for my middle-class bourgeois myopia; you will be raised up as a loyal charter member of the New World.

Is that's what's botherin' you, Bunky?

Have some ice cream. It might fix everything (except your love life)

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Back to more rational propositions, what is it about the loop with Michigan and Florida disqualifying themselves that you see as corrupt, specifically? That they didn't take a stand for a worker's utopia?

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Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 18 May 08 - 01:29 PM

Awwww, Amos--I would never shoot you!

That would be far too quick, and I've never been one for the quickies.

But then, I know that's the only occassion some of you old boys have been able to rise to even with your Viagra, for decades or more now. But still, does every conversation with you old timers have to be about your penis problems?

Besides, I'd much rather drag you behind my car for a long distance, watching you kick and scream your way into the Brave New World.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 18 May 08 - 04:09 PM

I have concluded that the problem that lurks behind your erratic emotional roller-coaster, Fantz, is a badly sporadic delivery of oxytocin.

Regarding never being one for quickies, I am forced to assume this derives from a lack of opportunity.



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Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:24 PM

Janet--

Still waiting for any rebuttal of my view of the current political scene.

And by the way: re: cut and paste:   I have never cut and pasted anything on Mudcat. I give direct quotes or put it in my own words.   But I'm flattered that you think something I wrote was from the WSJ. I'm not up to their standard.

Or perhaps it was your usual careless reading that made you think I had cut and pasted something.

Be that as it may, I do believe in reading, thinking and assimilating--and in facts and logic, rather than unrelenting cynicism.   You might try them some time.

Just a friendly suggestion.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 May 08 - 08:56 PM

Rig--

It's simple. Unfortunately your track record of accuracy--or in fact anything but smearing, which is without question your true expertise--is, not to put too fine a point on it, wretched.

Therefore you have two choices. Either you can provide sources, with date, for any allegation you make--or you have, bluntly, no credibility.

And your postings will be treated accordingly.

Your call.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 May 08 - 11:32 PM

Ron - Treat them as you will. The fact that my personal observations don't show up in Rupert Murdoch's newspaper says more about the paper than it say's about my observations.

                      All of this goes to the issue as to why Barack Obama will never grasp the reality of how to communicate with white working class voters.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 May 08 - 08:39 PM

Rig--

I've explained it to you more than once. You need credibility. At this point you have none.

You can sneer at the WSJ all you want. But I recognize bias when I see it. You know I was really annoyed when Murdoch took over the WSJ.   And the moment I sense creeping Fox-News-ism, I will drop it like a hot potato. But so far, it appears he's smart enough to not destroy his own crown jewel. The reporting--as opposed to the always Neanderthal editorials-- has not been influenced in the slightest. For my money it's still the best in the world. And if you think you have a better source, please share it.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 May 08 - 08:56 PM

Rig--


And what the WSJ says has exactly zero influence on Obama's troubles with white working-class voters--that's yet another of your classic smears--or non sequiturs. Sometimes it seems you are capable of nothing else.

But those troubles can--and will--be addressed by direct contrast of Bush (and now McCain) on issues which concern those voters.

Specifically health care, loss of jobs, and the war in Iraq.

It was never likely that Obama would get large numbers of voters in WV or in the PA mountains, for instance.

But anybody capable of thinking should realize that Hillary was not about to get them either in the fall--against McCain--are you kidding? Her supporters--like your good self?-- were living in a fool's paradise to assume that anybody who voted for her against Obama would support her against an authentic American hero with more military experience than any presidential nominee for decades.

But Obama has great sources for votes elsewhere. And Hillary, as I've said over and over, thanks to her position as the most polarizing candidate and her stupidly poisoning the well she intended to drink from, had no chance against McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 May 08 - 10:19 PM

"And the moment I sense creeping Fox-News-ism, I will drop it like a hot potato."


                         Ron - You're like the frog in the slow boiling pot on this one. By the time you realize they've led you down the primrose path, Obama might be president, and it'll be too late.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 May 08 - 10:26 PM

"Specifically health care, loss of jobs, and the war in Iraq."


                   Ron - In the words of the worlds most pathetic scum-bag-pig-fucker, "there you go again."


                     What matters to white working class voters is not what they think they can get, but what they're losing. That's how it's different than Jeremiah Wright and the ghettos of Chicago.

                     They're losing their dignity, their homes, their way of life, and their culture. They are never going to vote for what they preceive to be a black Muslim for Indonesia.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 May 08 - 10:05 PM

And they obviously feel that way in Kentucky as well!

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:49 PM

Sorry, Rig, that's yet more drivel. Obama is not well known to many people at this point.   But, as I've said before, that can easily be remedied between now and November. There are some he could never get to vote for him no matter what he had said. But many can be educated. As Balladeer says, Obama is not so threatening as some seem to think--and can't be stereotyped by a few absurd allegations from a pastor from whom he has parted company--much as you seem to delight in doing just that.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:34 AM

Ron - If Obama is not well known by now, I don't think there's much hope for him.
                     By the way, have you checked out his new preacher?

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:15 AM

Still think the Constitution is misguided about forbidding religous tests for public office, eh, Rig?



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Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:44 AM

Amos - Why would you think I thought that?

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:53 AM

Because you keep bringing pastors and churches up, Rig.


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Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 08 - 01:19 PM

Actually, I was talking about preachers, but I'd be happy to quit talking about them if they'd all go away.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 08 - 02:09 PM

Well, I could not agree with you more. How refreshing it would be, some day, to hear a viable, attractive, dynamic and charismatic candidate say to the hustings, "My religious beliefs are private, and are no-one's business but my own." And still win the support of millions because he was smart and able on matters of the commons, where we need it so much more.


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Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 May 08 - 10:16 PM

Anybody who thinks Obama is a Moslem obviously doesn't know him very well. That's exactly the sort of thing that can be remedied.

And he has to repeat, over and over, that he does not endorse Wright's outlandish statements--nor share the rage that caused them.

It's ironic--since the vast majority of presidential candidates do this far too much--but Obama has to wrap himself in the flag as many times as possible. He has the right idea--repeat constantly how much he owes to the US--that only here would he have the chance he now has.

And for many people, this will ease their concerns. Obviously for the racists there is no hope--but they are a small sliver of the population.

This is one situation where--for most voters- familiarity will not breed contempt but comfort.

Subject: RE: BS: How is West Virginia doing in elect.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 08 - 10:49 PM

It amazes me how many people do not recognize that propositions of hate are much more likely to contain untruths that propositions of reason. It's like not knowing the difference between a red light and a green one. You do not often get truth from people who are filled with hate or anger, especially those who are in those states chronically.


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