BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Bobert
Date: 20 May 08 - 09:59 PM

Hear, hear, Amos...

My exact sentiments...

Yeah, Tolstoy said that government was like the cabose of the train...

Yeah, okay, as long as it stays the heck outta trouble... Bush as shown us just how much trouble a screwed up president can cause...

I am not pessemistic and "hoping", yes hoping, that we are not doomed...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Q as guest
Date: 20 May 08 - 10:20 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: heric
Date: 20 May 08 - 10:33 PM

Our local newspaper once published the number (names? addresses?) of all the people who received farm subsidy checks mailed to addresses in La Jolla, CA (high income, seaside zip) for not growing things in other states. It was quite a number.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 May 08 - 10:56 PM

"You might prefer McCain and I Obama or Clinton but 4 years down the road there won't be a spits worth of difference in what happens."

You may be right in your theory when it comes to McCain and Obama/Clinton, Spaw, but we've just had it demonstrated that it ain't necessarily true. Had the Democratic nominee won against the Republican one in 2000 or even in 2004 we would be in a different spot. Not only would there have been fewer deaths of people who will never reach their prime but we would not have the tens of thousands suffering for the rest of their lives.

And that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: heric
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:00 PM

I am so ashamed of my instant cynicism (seriously), and I would have to study this a lot further to have a valid opinion on it - but on first impression, everything listed there on Obama's Congressional legislative history just before he announced his decision to run for President is so clearly for the forces of "good" - trendy and sexy -but nothing controversial, nothing complex. (I'm still voting for him.)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Q as guest
Date: 20 May 08 - 11:02 PM

(If I hit my space bar, after typing in the From: blank, it posts the message- even when there is none. It will also permit me to rapidly step down a thread. Never have found out why.)

I was going to type-
This train:
Bound for glory, this train-

But none of the candidates have said anything that tells us of real change that will put the U. S. on the track for glory.
Obama says get out of Iraq, but suggests nothing to ameliorate the situation. Talk about the job market, but nothing concrete.
Hillary says reform health care, but Congress will never vote for a system that leashes the insurance companies. She talks a lot about jobs too.
McCain offers only pragmatism.
So the country will muddle along with bandaid solutions.

In Europe, the nations are banding together and seeking common solutions.

Moves toward Nafta and similar cooperative solutions in America have stalled at the starting gate.

China, the growing superpower, is holding trade talks with Taiwan; rhetoric won't interfere with business. Asean nations, Japan and China are making deals, rapidly leaving old isolationist views behind.

Russia is restoring its power and industry; look for it to start making trading alliances. India and Pakistan are logical partners.

Even the Middle East, with growing industry in the Emirates and Iran, is bubbling, but much of the region is beset with ideas surviving from biblical times, and it may be some time before the region settles down.

The United States, trying to control the world, will find itself increasingly isolated. This train rolls straight on, no change in direction, a peoples democracy in charge, not permitting deviation.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 08 - 02:56 AM

Well, I'd rather be a cynic than a fool.

The most intelligent, witty, entertaining,well informed, Really good people on this forum are self confessed cynics.

I won't list them but I love them all.

Next year instead of a getaway, we're going to have a cynics convention!!........and don't say "I don't believe it!!"....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:10 AM

Ake,

I think you should facilitate the workshop and, btw, sign me up...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:29 AM

Thank you heric, for stating that you are a skeptical Obama voter. It is wonderful to see there are Obama supporters who are willing to pop their head above the turret and say what you just did.

A good citizen should never suspend disbelief, just to vote for the candidate of their choice. In a healthy democracy we should ALWAYS be a little skeptical and proudly cynical about those who desire the fat cat job of running the federal government, be it in Congress or the White House.

Hell, if we all know that FDR was no messiah, JFK was messiah, and Ronald Reagan was no messiah--why in god's name is anyone in this day and age looking to be redeemed by fucking politician jackals?

I suspect there are far more of you than there are of the Obama Is the Messiah group.

At least, for the sake of salvaging what little is left of our democracy, I sure as hell hope there are a whole lot more of you than there are of the Obamamaniacs.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 May 08 - 08:48 AM

The kind of internal revolution as proposed by the author of 'I was an economic hitman' will acount for an important fraction of change but corporate lobby money to buy and write laws will take a very targeted revolution from the outside (us).

Picture some of the now wealthy private contractors who enjoyed waging a war with impunity on behalf of the Bush Corp administration when they go home and reminise about the good old days. With time on their hands they will want a new scam war for more war profiteering. What will they think of? Probably some terror attacks and key assasinations.

How will the public react?

predictably


ergo same crap different wrapper. Unless the public and FBI is warned as to what to expect from our own zealous super patriots who justify any means as long as cash ends up in their pocket.


What kind of revolution will succeed, I don;t know but a few truly great songs sure would help.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 21 May 08 - 09:00 AM

OK--my above should read "JFK was NO messiah"...

Back to your regular brainwashing...

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 08 - 09:05 AM

Yeah, Donuel... I've been thinkin' about that very thing myself... Hard to beat "Volunteers of America" and "Masters of War" but there are definately some songs yet to be written...

I might have to go back thru my old stuff to see if anything looks as if it could use a rewrite...

I wrote one called "Jesus Don't Make Housecalls Anymore" back in the early 70's that might be worth revisiting???

Problem is that back then I was a 1-5-4'er and now more a 1-4-5 12 bar-er...

I'll work on it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 08 - 10:41 AM

A good citizen should never suspend disbelief, just to vote for the candidate of their choice. In a healthy democracy we should ALWAYS be a little skeptical and proudly cynical about those who desire the fat cat job of running the federal government, be it in Congress or the White House.

Hear, hear. Despite your often knee-jerk reactions to various posts I make, I couldn't agree with you more on this point.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: heric
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:11 AM

Here's a lost little ditty from 1978 that might work?

Death must come to the sickoids at last
Peace will become a thing of the past
The sickoids have the armies and the guns in their grasp
They're going to destroy us with their threats and their lies
We must kill them
They bug me

They're trying to frame the Red Brigades
Tell us all we're threatened by the terrorist plague
They're hanging a noose around our necks
By gluing our minds to the front page
Kill them
You got no choice

Death to the sickoids, or death to you
They got the money, they think they got the power
To step on your face, make you lick their boots

Rise against them

They're trying to frame the Red Brigades
By telling us we're threatened by a terrorist plague
They're hanging a noose around our necks
By gluing our minds to the front page
Kill them
Rise against them

-Death to the Sickoids, Brian Goble

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 08 - 11:52 AM

That is an embarrassingly bad lyric with a tragically bad philosophy driving it. You don't create a better world with more hatred and violence...regardless of whom you direct it toward.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Q as guest
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:18 PM

Unless the song is something like "Three Little Fishes" or Hutsut Ralson on a rillera (sp.?) no one listens anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:27 PM

Well, Bob Dylan has said that he doesn't think any song can change the world, and I would tend to agree.

Some songs can inspire people and increase their enthusiasm about something though. If they inspire people in a good way I'm all for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: GUEST,Fantasma
Date: 22 May 08 - 08:07 AM

Amos, you are simply full of it.

You are one of the worst here when it comes to suspending disbelief about the candidates you support.

I seem to recall you nearly had a friggin' breakdown when Kerry lost.

You are part of the problem of what is wrong with voters, not with what is right with them, and saying one thing while engaging in behavior that is the exact opposite of what you say is pure hypocrisy.

You are about the least objective person here about Obama, and you were the same way about Kerry in 2004.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 08 - 08:19 AM

Not to fear, Fantz...

Should Hillary slip into the White House she has Amos at the top of her list of folks to be rounded up and sent off to be reprogramed...

BTW, word on the street is that Obama is lookin' into a mandatory rehab program of his own for Clinton-heads... The only snag is that doing so might inflict a major drain on current nursing home labor pools... lol...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary to Offer Rehab to Obama-heads...
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 08 - 08:27 AM

Sorry again, dear Fantz.

Feeling strongly about a decision does not make that decision wrong.

I felt very bad when Kerry lost because of the harm it implied for the nation. I would feel pretty bad if Obama lost because of the lost opportunity for my children, It's a matter of wanting the best outcome, but that is not the same as being gullible. In fact, your conflation of the two seems disingenuous on your part and much too cynical for a bolshie.


A