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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:20 PM Battery recycling is a not something we need to invent, we do it right now!..Its not like inventing cold fusion...in fact in line with this idea of recycling is another huge challenge that most be meet in the coming years by industrial/product designer and manufacturers to begin as McDonough calls it the "NEXT INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION". The ability to design products that are completely recyclable from start to finish...trying reading cradle to cradle by McD. its a very interesting understanding of the movement manufacturers and designers must beging to implement as world resources are depleted. as well as what to do with manufacturing wastestreams and how to make them cyclic so what is old and worn and considered "waste" becomes the feedstock for the process again. Changing our mentality of linear products to cyclic products. A cost effective business model as well so its not just morally smart, also economically smart. But this must start at manufacturing and feedstock procurment levels...the responsiblity can not be left completey up to the consumer end of the spectrum...this idea of recycling we have at the moment is completely wack! you can't start recycling at the end of the process(the consumer end) you must begin at the beginning for it to truely work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:28 PM And the $7000 comes from thin air or does it get added to the national deficit? Heavy Lead acid batteries are used in the current generation of hybrids. When lithium batteries can be used, there will be a whole new generation of hybrids, superior to anything we have now. Why doesn't the brilliant Mr Obama subsidize development of lithium batteries for hybrids? Lithium Nickel Manganese Oxide Battery Promising For Hybrids An MIT team has made an important advance in battery technology for hybrid vehicles. Researchers at MIT have developed a new type of lithium battery that could become a cheaper alternative to the batteries that now power hybrid electric cars. Until now, lithium batteries have not had the rapid charging capability or safety level needed for use in cars. Hybrid cars now run on nickel metal hydride batteries, which power an electric motor and can rapidly recharge while the car is decelerating or standing still. But lithium nickel manganese oxide, described in a paper to be published in Science on Feb. 17, could revolutionize the hybrid car industry -- a sector that has "enormous growth potential," says Gerbrand Ceder, MIT professor of materials science and engineering, who led the project. "The writing is on the wall. It's clearly happening," said Ceder, who said that a couple of companies are already interested in licensing the new lithium battery technology. Their success came from making the material have a more crystalline structure. Lithium ions carry the battery's charge, so to maximize the speed at which the battery can charge and discharge, the researchers designed and synthesized a material with a very ordered crystalline structure, allowing lithium ions to freely flow between the metal layers. The battery still costs too much to manufacture. A battery made from the new material can charge or discharge in about 10 minutes -- about 10 times faster than the unmodified lithium nickel manganese oxide. That brings it much closer to the timeframe needed for hybrid car batteries, Ceder said. Before the material can be used commercially, the manufacturing process needs to be made less expensive, and a few other modifications will likely be necessary, Ceder said. "The most promising ways to reduce gasoline consumption quickly is through hybrid vehicles. Hybrid vehicles have both a gasoline-powered engine and an electric battery based on technologies that were developed by the Department of Energy. In other words, this technology came to be because the federal government made a research commitment. That's why I think it's double -- important to double research as we go down the next decade. The gasoline engine charges the battery, which helps drive the vehicle. And the twin sources of power allow hybrid cars and trucks to travel about twice as far on a gallon of fuel as gasoline-only vehicles. That is a good start when something that can go twice as far on a gallon of gasoline than the conventional vehicle can. Hybrid vehicles are a good deal for consumers and the American people are figuring it out. More than 200,000 hybrids were sold in the United States last year -- the highest sales on record. There's growing demand for hybrid automobiles. And working with the Congress, we came up with an additional incentive, and that is we provide a tax credit up to $3,400 per hybrid vehicle purchaser. In other words, we want to stimulate demand. In the marketplace when there is demand, suppliers will meet that demand, and that's positive, because if you can go twice as far on a gallon of gasoline than otherwise it means we're becoming less dependent on oil. Hybrid vehicles on the road today are delivering impressive gasoline savings. But there is more to be done, and that's why I'm here at Johnson Controls, because engineers here are working on ways to replace the current hybrid battery technology with advanced lithium ion batteries that are now used in cell phones and laptops. These batteries are lighter, they are more powerful, and they can be recharged quickly. Using new lithium ion batteries, engineers will be able to design the next generation of hybrid vehicles, called plug-in hybrids, that can be recharged through a standard electrical outlet. Start picturing what I'm talking about: you've got your car, you pull in, you plug it right in the wall." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:31 PM Ahh just a little something to add about recycling batteries at the moment we recycle 98% of lead-acid batteries in the US..98%! unfortuantly consumer electornic batteries (the nickle -cadium type) is not so good and that is probably becuase they cost so little and are so small ;) we consumers don't seem to pay attention to small things we throw out into the garabage which makes it to the land fill which creates bad leche water or however you spell that. Now if your talking about hybrid batteries for cars ..ahh those are not little cheap batteries..if you know someone who is just throwing them out please let me know id be happy to take them off their hands..for FREE!!!! Seriously! Ill go cross-state for them ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:40 PM Thin air..ahh where does any money the government spend come from? There is a federal budget correct? That is made up of our taxes correct? Im being serious im not to up to par on how federal money is spent or where it comes from..Ahh i know the governement borrows money as well...well who we borrowing from ? China? Well my question is how did we get all this money for Iraq..or the space program, or any freaking thing the government spends on? from thin air? Seriously i really want to know why everyone says where ya gonna get the money thin air? Is our federal government on welfare? Is it flat broke? Or is that up to politicians in charge to decide where federal money goes and how much? Damn i keep forgetting to but a from: name that so damn annoying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:42 PM Environmental impact of making the battaries for the hybrids, and disposing of them after end-of-life? (vs impact of "normal" 12v car battary) If you are talking about a Prius or a Ford Escape Hybrid, I think they are about the same, maybe a little higher for the Hybrid. The hybrid saves gas by shutting off the engine when not in use, and because an electric drive train is way more efficient than an internal combustion one the IC motor is used for bursts of power and charging the battery. Some hybrids reclaim energy in breaking. Now a PLUGin hybrid would require a lot more battery power, but they get 150 mpg so WeenAddicts numbers would be much better. A totally electric car would mean no barrels of imported oil. But would require even more battery power and thus the environmental cost of the batteries might be a consideration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:45 PM >>Why doesn't the brilliant Mr Obama subsidize development of lithium batteries for hybrids? You mean, like McCain, offering to give a 300 million dollar prize for research that would happen anyway? My guess is because he is not an idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Amos Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:52 PM Sawz: I think Mister Obama covered that in his speech (incentivizing R&D). Why don't you read first and THEN comment? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:54 PM I agree with you Sawzaw we should be putting funds into battery research especially lithum generation 2 batteries, to say that either candidate won't is just being speculative though, you can't make a 30 minutes speech without leaving the smaller exact details out, and im sure there are alot of gaps in both candidates policies at the moment. so come on be realistic now..no one is saying hes brilliant. It seems that people take the candidates to personally instead of looking at the policies first, person second. Will gearing the auto insdustry up for hybrids provide more coin for more battery research?..ahh..i think thats a no brainer..Of course it will! OR did you think that if we push the auto industries to really start producing hybrids they will say "SURE BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE ARE GONNA RESEARCH BATTERIES WE ARE GONNA MAKE ELECTRIC VEHICLES WITHOUT BATTERIES? your arguement to increase battery research supports this idea to push for more hybrids..lol..so brilliant no...logical yes...or was that the point you were trying to make but in a round about way? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Aug 08 - 04:56 PM Paying for the research so that that the resulting products and patents and profits were in public ownership would make sense - but I think it might get frowned on as too socialist. I somehow don't think that's what Sawzaw had in mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:06 PM Dont say socialist..lol..you might scare everyone! I mean shsss look at what socialism did to europe..well democratic socialism i should say..look at them they are a wreck now ..all united, 35 hour work weeks, all have health care, economy kicking, vacationing in third world countries like the US taking advantage of the poor country's declining dollar...shss what a mess they have become..and all becuase of evil socialism...shame on you europe!...you should go back to imperialism and absolute monarchies..GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!! DAMN IT I DID IT AGAIN WITH THE USER NAME!!! Sorry folks :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:16 PM The research for batteries is being done. We don't need to pay for it. If we subsidize the cars and infrastructure, we can rely on competition to make the best car. There are a lot of interesting technologies other than a specific type of battery. Look up supercapicitors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:26 PM Oh SawZaw i re-read what i wrote about the $7000 rebate and where the money would come from ..uhmm im not positive on this but i believe the US as a country buys oil from the market, though i could be wrong...so in the federal budget there is an allowance for our oil import purchases. So if you don't spend $864,000,000 in a year for that oil, you can spend it on 864,000,000 for the rebates for the hybrids..ahh someone correct me if im wrong about this im not sure exactly how the US purchases oil..is it done by the federal budget? Is it done by the states? or is that say exxon buys so much gas from what ever producing country there is then sells it to the distrubutors in the state which in turn sell it to your local gas station which in turns sells it to you? anyone got a grasp on how this stuff works? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:44 PM basically.. The oil companies buy the oil, refine it, then sell it to distributors who sell it to us. Various governments tax these transactions. Less oil being sold will mean less revenue for government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:51 PM "Like George Bush and Dick Cheney before him, he sees more drilling as the answer to all of our energy problems" And Mr Obama like Bill Clinton and the demoratic before him thinks drilling is not the answer, blocked drilling and created the current crisis. "he's actually proposed giving $4 billion more in tax breaks to the biggest oil companies in America - including $1.2 billion to Exxon-Mobil." He is referring to an income tax reduction for all corporations to reverse the flow of companies moving offshore and taking their jobs and profits with them. "This is a corporation that just recorded the largest profit in the history of the United States." There has to be a biggest everything. Should the biggest whatever be attacked because it is the biggest? How about the $700B going overseas every year? Mostly oil. The more oil we produce here, the less money will flow overseas. All this is election year rhetoric. Who is saying we shouldn't develop solar, wind (except Kerry) nuclear (except Obama) and hydro energy? The drilling is a tide me over intil the they can come online. The 3% number is misleading. America is not comsuming 25% of the world's oil reserves and comparing comsumption to reserves is false logic. The U.S. has an "estimated 116.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil, enough to produce gasoline for more than 60 million cars and fuel oil for 3.2 million households for 60 years." This is true except that there are 244 million vehicles on the road and it would be a 15 year supply. "We simply cannot pretend, as Senator McCain does, that we can drill our way out of this problem." Mr Obama is pretending that McCain says we can drill our way out of this problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Aug 08 - 05:56 PM It's standard procedure in both politics and Internet discussions to pretend that the other guy is saying and thinking all the stupid things you would want him to say and think in order to make you look better than him. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: DougR Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:01 PM Not sure if folks here are aware of it, but if you send a $25 to the McCain campaign, you will receive back a device to measure the amount of air in your tires. The tire gauge even has Obama's name on it! Obama's statement that were Americans to keep their cars tuned up, and operate their cars with the proper amount of air in the tires, the savings in oil would be greater than drilling for oil off-shore, in Anwar, and mining coal shale in the western states is about the silliest thing I've ever heard. I'm surprised more of you don't agree. That's a pretty stooopid statement. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Amos Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:03 PM Sawz: In Obama's energy speech he made very clear statements about nuclear wich give the lie to your remarks on this topic. Why not READ first and THEN comment? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:10 PM You may think its silly, but this much is absolutely true. >>>Obama's statement that were Americans to keep their cars tuned up, and operate their cars with the proper amount of air in the tires, the savings in oil would be greater than drilling for oil off-shore, (and) in Anwar<< I've seen the math, its pretty basic. I think he actually got the figures on the savings from those left wing tree huggers at NASCAR. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:12 PM It's a war of giving perspective. Think of it as an illustration of how little oil is in ANWAR and yet to be drilled offshore. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Aug 08 - 06:28 PM So Doug, do you think it's silly because you don't think it's true? Or do you think that, even though it's true, it's silly because Obama said it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:00 PM "Even Texas oilman Boone Pickens, who's calling for major new investments in alternative energy, has said, "this is one emergency we can't drill our way out of."" Boone: I say east, west coast and ANWR—get it all! To get off of foreign oil, that is the enemy...You're drilling and whatever you are able to find and put into the domestic system will help us." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:06 PM >>>"Even Texas oilman Boone Pickens, who's calling for major new investments in alternative energy, has said, "this is one emergency we can't drill our way out of."" Boone: I say east, west coast and ANWR—get it all! To get off of foreign oil, that is the enemy...You're drilling and whatever you are able to find and put into the domestic system will help us."<<< Yes he said both things. He's saying that It won't be enough to solve the problem but that we should get it anyway. McCain is saying that if Obama wasn't against offshore drilling we wouldn't have a problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: CarolC Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:09 PM I think the fact that McCain supporters are willing to spend $25 for a tire |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:10 PM Thks Sailor I figured it would be that for sale to the public, but what about goervnment vechiles? The government must have an allowance for fueling state and federal vehicles within their fiscal budgets..i wonder how much of the budget goes to that? and how much could be freeded up by changing government vehicles to plug/hybrid/electrics, and if by freeing up these cost in gas purchases they could in say a 10 year time replace all their vehicles and there for have cut their budget serverally and could now put that coin to someplace else (say solar recharing stations..and therefore reduce their need to purchase energy even more). would be some interesting numbers to run |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:15 PM PS.. DougR..how much have you looked into oil shale technology? Don't know much about it myself, you got any good sites talking about the advances being made in it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:16 PM Ween Right now, the extra cost of a hybrid does not pay for the gas you save on any model I know of. So there would be no direct savings. But there would be savings to the environment and to the general economy if the price of gas went down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:18 PM Oil shale costs a lot to mine and refine and its extraction produces a lot of carbon dioxide. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,WeenAddict Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:22 PM My brain has begun to hurt thank you all very much.. ;P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: pdq Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:30 PM GUEST,WeenAddict : If you go to a thread where "Q" has posted and click on his Mudcat name, you will find a record of all his posts. There is a thread that went until about JUL 3 intitled "Oil Shales" and he covers a lot in it. Threads can also be found using dates ...... and 3 JUL 2008 is a known date for that thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Big Mick Date: 06 Aug 08 - 07:59 PM Doug ........ typical conservative knee jerk reaction ....... if it sounds stupid to you, it must be stupid, no matter what the truth of it is ........ this is what makes me crazy with you all. You make up your mind, and then look for cliche's which support your feelings and biases. The U.S. Department of Energy says that American's waste 3.56 million gallons of gas or $14.2 million in gas a day at $4 a gallon due to tire pressure. HERE is an article in a business blog that adds it up for you. Read it for comprehension. Stoopid Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Barry Finn Date: 06 Aug 08 - 08:41 PM Up until the gas prices sky-rocketed most clear thinking people opposed offshore drilling in the Gulf of Texas & other places like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, mainly for enviormental reasons but also it was logicical not to, the returns weren't worth it & it's gain wasn't going to help the present situation & in the long run there wasn't a good enough reson to up set the enviorment. Its a poor statment that we are the one's who "Flip Flop" so easily when it comes down to our own pockets. The prices of fuel goes up & "we the people" are willing to back down in panic & for go our future enviormental concerns for a present day gas crisis, how impulsive we are & how well the repubs know it & are willing to take advantage of it. Shame on them & shame on US. Again we have a gas crisis & the War in Iraq takes a back seat, again shame on them & shame on US. Pulling out of a 10 billion a month war would turn around the economy more than drilling oil of pulling politician's teeth! Shame, Shame, Shame. We deserve everything that we ask for, vote for who you will think is best for our future or vote for your own pocketbook, whatever makes you feel best for the moment. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 07:57 AM Electra magnetism |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:01 PM Must be a New Age name for what causes girls to fall in love with their fathers subliminally, I guess. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:08 PM I donno Barry, a few points swing in a poll after all those attack ads doesn't necessarily mean the people are supporting the drilling. I think its just propaganda from Bush's boys. We have to keep reminding ourselves that he is still there and he his administration has not got any more honest or less sneaky. Remember he has been pushing for offshore drilling since he ran in 2000. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:21 PM "Look to how the Democratic presidential nominee's agenda now reflects the Bush/Cheney energy agenda. " McCain claims Obama voted for this ..... while he himself voted against this. Is this true ... and what's it all about? biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:33 PM "Look to how the Democratic presidential nominee's agenda now reflects the Bush/Cheney energy agenda. " McCain claims Obama voted for this ..... while he himself voted against this. Is this true ... and what's it all about?" Told you about this the whole time!!! Its a sham!!!! The 'president' isn't the one in charge! (See, I am 'sane') |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:43 PM >>"Look to how the Democratic presidential nominee's agenda now reflects the Bush/Cheney energy agenda. " McCain claims Obama voted for this ..... while he himself voted against this. Is this true ... and what's it all about?" Told you about this the whole time!!! Its a sham!!!! The 'president' isn't the one in charge! (See, I am 'sane')<< Yeah, that proves you are 'sane' alright. Air tight, Iron clad! Just stay away from sharp objects 'til I can get out of the room OK? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 12:45 PM But is this true ??? biLL ( a Canadian who is rather getting tired of the big carny election drone south of the border) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:15 PM Is what true? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:22 PM "McCain claims Obama voted for this (the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill) ..... while he himself (McCain) voted against this." Is the above statement true .... I heard McCain ranting on about this today on CNN. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 Aug 08 - 01:55 PM If it came from a candidate, or a lawyer, or a used car salesman, you can bet it isn't true! \ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:25 PM Hmmmm ... ok Sanity ... then I guess it isn't true. thanks biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 04:54 PM Here is my understanding, Obama voted for an energy bill presented by the Republicans in Congress. As usual, it was a compromise bill. Those are all that get passed with the Senate majority at 51-49 and 60 votes being needed to pass anything. Obama voted for it because it contain things that he thought was important. If you are looking for someone who will never compromise Obama ain't your guy. You need another George W. Bush, who when a law he doesn't like is passed by Congress, adds little statements picking and choosing the parts he is going to obey. Of course that is quite unconstitutional and certainly not what the framers intended. But I digress. If you want a President who at one time or another voted against bills containing almost every plank in his current energy platform, including the most heavily touted proposal, offshore drilling. You need to pick yourself a John McCain. We ought to cut him some slack on the offshore drilling tough. He hasn't been for it for a full two months yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:18 PM Thanks Jack. One question remains .... "Obama voted for it because it contain things that he thought was important." do you know what they where? biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Aug 08 - 08:28 PM No I do not know precisely bill, I think there were some renewable energy things. I'm pretty sure part of it was ethanol subsidies, he is a senator from Illinois and there is a lot of corn grown there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:08 PM Amos is right. Obama did not say he is against nuclear power but he puts a lot of conditions on it. This is where McCain is getting the Obama said no claim from: CNN All the utilities paid fees to the DOE's Nuclear Waste Fund beginning in 1983 under a contract that required the DOE to begin accepting fuel for storage by Jan. 31, 1998. The government didn't meet that deadline and has yet to accept the waste. There is no official date set for opening the Yucca Mountain facility. The DOE filed its application with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission for its Yucca Mountain repository license just two months ago. Earlier this week, the agency estimated the repository will cost $96.2 billion through 2133, when the repository would be sealed, more than two-thirds over its last estimate in 2001. With the NRC's review expected to take at least three years, pursuing the license will fall to a new U.S. presidential administration. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., opposes the Yucca Mountain application, while Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., showed his support for the industry by visiting a nuclear power plant earlier this week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: pdq Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:21 PM Obama needs one of those tire gauges to test his inflated ego. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:26 PM Maybe he could send you one, while he's at it. If yours don't bust from malpractice and overinflation first. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 07 Aug 08 - 09:36 PM Thanks again Jack .... it makes sense. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech! From: Amos Date: 08 Aug 08 - 12:20 AM 200! A |
