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Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)

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DUBLIN CITY
GALWAY CITY
SPANISH LADY (2)
WHEEL OF FORTUNE or DUBLIN CITY


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Lyr Req: The Spanish Lady (59)
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(origins) Origins: Spanish Lady (5)
(origins) Origins: Spanish Lady, et al (8)
Lyr Req: Spanish Lady alt version (ambush) (10)
Lyr Add: Spanish Lady (2)
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Joe Offer 07 Jun 99 - 08:03 PM
Barbara 07 Jun 99 - 09:00 PM
Barbara 07 Jun 99 - 09:02 PM
Martin _Ryan 08 Jun 99 - 06:13 AM
Barbara 08 Jun 99 - 10:15 AM
Martin _Ryan 08 Jun 99 - 06:53 PM
Joe Offer 08 Jun 99 - 07:52 PM
Philippa 09 Jun 99 - 07:29 AM
Martin _Ryan 09 Jun 99 - 08:53 AM
Alice 09 Jun 99 - 09:04 AM
DonMeixner 09 Jun 99 - 10:58 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 10 Jun 99 - 12:38 AM
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Subject: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jun 99 - 08:03 PM

We have this song in the database, but I can't seem to make the words fit the tune. Can anybody provide a version of this song that works a little better? It's the last two verses that give me trouble.
Barring that, if you can parse the lyrics for me to show me how to fit them to the tune....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Barbara
Date: 07 Jun 99 - 09:00 PM

Joe, do you have a tune? There's not one posted in the DT. But the way I know it (from Gordon Bok) is:

(bold is downbeat)
As I was a-walking through Dublin City
About the hour of twelve at night
It was there I saw a fair, pretty maiden
Washing her feet by candle light
And that one you know, right? So if my downbeats match yours, then here's the other ones (if I don't run out of angle brackets)

Oh, but tides do be running the whole world over
Why, tis only last June month, I mind that we
Were thinking the call in the breast of the lover
So everlasting as the sea

But there's the same little fishes that swims and spin
And the same old moon on the cold wet sand
And I no more to she, nor she to me
Than the cool wind passing over my hand

see if that helps Joe, and then ship me your tune if it doesnt.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Barbara
Date: 07 Jun 99 - 09:02 PM

Well, dangola Joe, another golden opportunity to use your View Source key, and find where I forgot to put a close bold HTML. ARGH!
Someplace close to the beginning, obviously.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 08 Jun 99 - 06:13 AM

Joe:

I heard this song many years ago from Frank Harte, as a variant of "The Spanish Lady". He recorded it on Topic, if I remember. Still sings it regualrly - as do I.The version in the DT looks a bit strange to me. I've never heard the last two verses, in particular. Could Bok have written them himself? They would be very awkward to fit to Frank's tune.

I'll post Frank's set of words when I get a chance. I think I have them on disc somewhere. Tune is more problematical.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Barbara
Date: 08 Jun 99 - 10:15 AM

Alright, let me try that again.

(bold is downbeat)
As I was a-walking through Dublin City
About the hour of twelve at night
It was there I saw a fair, pretty maiden
Washing her feet by candle light

And that one you know, right? So if my downbeats match yours, then here's the other ones (if I don't run out of angle brackets)

Oh, but tides do be running the whole world over
Why, tis only last June month, I mind that we
Were thinking the call in the breast of the lover
So everlasting as the sea

But there's the same little fishes that swims and spin.
And the same old moon on the cold wet sand
And I no more to she, nor she to me
Than the cool wind passing over my hand

The problem comes from the 3 or 4 eighth notes in various places. They all get sung on the same note as a sort of drone, but if you haven't heard Gordon do it, its pretty hard to imagine. So maybe you should buy the tape/record/CD, Joe. Maybe Sandy will give you a break.
Blessings,
Barbara, who hopes she got ALL the close bolds in this time.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SPANISH LADY
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 08 Jun 99 - 06:53 PM

Spanish Lady, The

As I was a-walking through Dublin City, now,
In the dark hour late at night
Who should I see but a fair pretty maiden,
Washing her feet by candlelight
First she washed them and then she dried them,
Over her shoulder she pegged the towel
In all my life I never did meet a maid so neat about the sole

And as I came back through Dublin City
As the break of day was o'er
Who should I see but the Spanish Lady
When I was weary and footsore
She had a heart so full of loving
And her love she longed to share
In all me life I never did meet
A maid that had so much to share

I've wandered North and I've wandered South now
From Stoneybatter to Patrick's Close
Up and around by the Gloucester Diamond
Back by Napper Tandy's house
Old age has laid her hands upon me
Cold as a fire of ashy coals
And gone is the lovely Spanish Lady
Neat and sweet about the soles

Round and around goes the wheel of fortune
Where it rests now wearies me
Fair young women are so deceiving
Sad experience teaches me
She had twenty eighteen sixteen fourteen
Twelve ten eight six four two none
She had nineteen seventeen fifteen thirteen
Eleven nine seven five three and one!

Mind you, Frank often treats it as 4-line verses and scatters the counting chorus around like snuff at a wake!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 99 - 07:52 PM

Thanks, Barbara and Martin - Martin's lyrics fit the tune much better. I'm familiar with the Bok recording, and his is the tune I know. I just can't sing Bok's lyrics with a group. The Denver Public Library doesn't have tune software, so I can't post a tune. I see that there are a few tunes in variations of the song I found by searching for [spanish lady], [wheel of fortune], and [dublin city].
Dick and Susan Alert: I see that there is a Digital Tradition number, #846, assigned to this song, but only one of the songs in the database has the number in the text. One day when one or the other of you has your life in balance, it would be a fine idea to link all the related songs together with this number. Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Philippa
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 07:29 AM

Before I heard the Spanish Lady, as Frank Harte sings it, I heard a similar song to the same tune, maybe a parody, sung by the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem. The Dublin lady declines the narrator's proposal saying:

Did you ever see the grass in the morning, all bedecked with jewels rare
Did you ever see a handsome lady, sparking jewels in her hair?
Did you ever see a copper kettle, mended with an old tin can?
Did you ever see a handsome lady married off to an ugly man?


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 08:53 AM

Phillipa

They sound like verses from "Chester City" or "Madam I'm a Darling" as it is sometimes known. Try HERE for example.

regards


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: Alice
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 09:04 AM

Martin, thanks for the link. Chester City/Madam I'm a Darling, is one I hadn't heard, but well worth learning.


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Jun 99 - 10:58 PM

Joe,

The Corries do a version called "Ettrick Valley" which mays as well be The Spainish Lady. The Dubliners also have a version I quite like because of the verse:

I've been East and I've been west...

The Wheel of Fortune is a beautiful variation but tough to sing with a group. I have a recording of Cilla Fisher and Artie Tresize doing The Wheel of Fortune in Finnish. A little bizarre.

Don


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Subject: RE: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City)
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 10 Jun 99 - 12:38 AM

and here it's I refreshing threads just to get them together (but I'll let someone else discover them--otherwise it would be cheating). --seed


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