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Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune

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DUBLIN CITY
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GUEST,Ambrose 06 Jan 03 - 04:12 PM
Susanne (skw) 06 Jan 03 - 06:52 PM
Joe Offer 07 Jan 03 - 12:07 AM
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GUEST,Ambrose 10 Jan 03 - 03:31 PM
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GUEST,Q 10 Jan 03 - 04:18 PM
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GUEST,Tom 26 May 10 - 11:36 AM
Jim Dixon 27 May 10 - 06:34 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: The wheel of fortune
From: GUEST,Ambrose
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 04:12 PM

Looking for the lyrics to the Midnight Well song, The Wheel of Fortune, sung by Thom Moore, out about 1976
Messages from multiple threads combined.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: wheel of fortune
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:52 PM

Is that the trad one starting 'Round and round go the wheels of fortune, round and round till they weary me'?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: wheel of fortune
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 12:07 AM

Hi, Ambrose - please give us a little of what you recall of the song. I think there are a few 'Wheel of Fortune' songs. The one best known here is in the Digital Tradition as Wheel of Fortune or Dublin City (click).
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: wheel of fortune
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:03 PM

According to Thom Moore's website, it's a song he wrote himself.


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Subject: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune
From: GUEST,Ambrose
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 03:31 PM

Does anybody have the lyrics to this "Midnight Well" song, The Wheel Of Fortune, out around 1976 in Ireland written by Thom Moore
Ambrose
I combined this duplicate, later thread with the earlier one. --JoeClone


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune
From: MMario
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 03:41 PM

Hi ambrose - I didn't have any luck finding this a while back when someone asked for it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:18 PM

Was this derived from Thomas Moore, "At the Mid Hour of Night"?

First lines
At the mid hour of night, when stars are weeping, I fly
To the lone vale we loved, when life shown warm in thine eye;

If this helps, I will post it. Only two verses.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: wheel of fortune
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 04:50 AM

Many thanks to you allbut I don' think any of these are what I am looking for - Some words I remember

"Says he loves me Jack Farmer crying in the rain
His life never had a love that caused him so much pain..

Chorus
... He's lost all control of the wheel of fortune
hes playing with his heart, his soul & mind? ....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: wheel of fortune
From: Ambi
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 03:42 PM

Sorry, not the right one but thanks for reply, ambi


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Subject: Lyr Req: Midnight Well Song The Wheel of Fortune
From: Ambi
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 01:49 PM

Written & sung in 1976 by Thom & Jamie? Moore by folk group Midnight Well. Some lines I recall might be

Says he loves me Jack Farmer crying in the rain
His life never had a love that caused him so much pain
.... upside down turn around..
Chorus
He's lost all control of the wheel of fortune
He's playing with his heart his soul & life..?
Hes running sown the road of deep misfortune...?


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHEEL OF FORTUNE
From: GUEST,Tom
Date: 26 May 10 - 11:36 AM

Are these what you are looking for Ambrose?
This used to be a skipping song in Belfast, Northern Ireland about forty odd years ago.

The wheels of Fortune.

O'er the hill there lives a lassie
And her name I do not know.
Some fine day I'm going to see her,
Whether she be rich or no'.

Chorus;
Nineteen, seventeen, fifteen, thirteen,
Eleven nine seven and a five three one.
Twenty, eighteen, sixteen, fourteen,
Twelve, ten, eight, six, four, two none.
Round and round go the wheels of fortune,
Round and round 'til they weary me.
Young women's hearts are so uncertain,
Sad experience teaches me.

Verse 2
Lassie I've got gold and silver,
Lassie I've got houses and land.
Lassie I've got ships on the ocean,
All to come at your command.

Chorus

Verse 3
I don't want your gold and silver
I don't want your houses or land.
I don't want your ships in the harbour
all I want is an honest young man.

Chorus to end.

Cheers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune (Midnight Well)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 27 May 10 - 06:34 PM

Ambrose who started this thread in 2003 probably won't be back, so I'll try to answer for him.

Ambrose told us in his first message that the song he wanted, called WHEEL OF FORTUNE, was recorded by a group called Midnight Well in 1976, and it was written by Thom Moore. (This is not the famous Irish poet Thomas Moore (1779-1852) but the contemporary American-Irish singer-songwriter Thom Moore.)

Furthermore, it appears that Ambrose was also the guest who posted on 11 Jan 03 - 04:50 AM although he didn't sign his message. There he quoted a few lines from the song he wanted. These lines do not appear in the song that was just posted.

Further-and-furthermore, the son that has just been posted, which is variously known as DUBLIN CITY or WHEEL OF FORTUNE or THE SPANISH LADY, has already been posted at Mudcat many times, as could easily be verified by a search on a distinctive phrase, such as "sad experience teaches me."

Occurrences like this are too frequent, and it frustrates me, but it just occurred to me now that maybe the guy who most deserves a kick upside the head is the guy who writes a new song and gives it the same title as a famous old song. (Or even an obscure old song. Or ....)

Anyway, I listened to a sound sample, and the song we are looking for definitely contains the lines:

Says he loves me, Jack Farmer, cryin' in the rain.
In his life, never had a love that brought him so much pain
Says it makes him turn away from all he's done before.
Now ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune (Midnight Well)
From: GUEST,Thom Moore
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:28 AM

Hmmm. Since I'm the guy who wrote the 'new' song ... do I need a kick upside the head? Honest, folks, I only knew the 'older' song as Spanish Lady or Dublin City ... and the Wheel of Fortune is a Tarot card, so far as I know, therefore a cliche of long standing, but never a song, to my (admittedly feeble) memory.

But since 'kicking upside the head' is the recommended cure for such acts ... what should we do about Bono and his styling a song of his 'Cedars of Lebanon' ... when the 'original' and 'only' and 'older' Cedars of Lebanon was the Pumpkinhead song written and performed in Ireland from 1974 ... and moreover one that Bono would have been familiar with at least to some degree, since Paul McGuinness managed both Midnight Well (who performed Cedars extensively) and the 'kid' band, U2, until Paul broke up MW and sent Janie Cribbs and me off to a lingering death in America?

Hmmm. Very interesting, I imagine. At least to some people ...

'Wheel of Fortune' incidentally was identified to me as her favourite Midnight Well song when I met a dyed-in-the-wool fan of the band in 1989, the lovely Valerie Waters. I was so nonplussed (and disbelieving) I could only shoot back at her, 'Oh, yeah? And what's your favourite line, then?' Without dropping a beat, she smiled at me and recited, 'And a friend I'll be when I refuse him, and send him home again ...' And that's about all I remember of the song, folks, since I wrote it for Janie to sing and haven't ever sung it myself ...

Cheers,

Thom Moore


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE (Thom Moore)
From: GUEST,Thom Moore
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:43 AM

Oh, gosh, aren't computers wonderful? Look what I just found in a folder marked 'Midnight Well lyrics':

The Wheel of Fortune

Says he loves me, jack farmer,
crying in the rain:
in his life never had a love
that brought him so much pain.
Says it makes him turn away
from all he's done before; now he's
counting time, slipping through his fingers
like dimes in a telephone.
I don't know too much about sorrow,
even less his pain,
but if he asks for me tomorrow,
I'll tell him just the same:
he's lost all control on the wheel of fortune,
he's playing with his soul, his heart and life.
He's looking down a hole of deep proportions:
where he can't go is Paradise.

Twenty years, jack farmer told me,
trying to make his way
and find out why everybody else
seems to have their precious days.
Worked against his will, he said,
to keep his heart at home;
now he's upside down, turned around,
and he can't leave me alone.
Says to me he won't be lonely,
he'll just make an end,
but he's so wrong that I can only
say the same again:
he's lost all control on the wheel of fortune,
he's playing with his soul, his heart and life.
He's looking down a hole of deep proportions:
where he can't go is Paradise.

Stop and think, jack farmer begged me,
about his gold and grain:
he's worked so hard and honestly,
his soul don't have a stain.
But what I am is mine alone,
I'm young and feeling free,
I won't be owned or bought or loaned,
and that's what he can't see.
So ? what to do, in his confusion?
He says he needs no friend,
but a friend I'll be when I refuse him,
and send him home again.
He's lost all control on the wheel of fortune,
he's playing with his soul, his heart and life.
He's looking down a hole of deep proportions:
where he can't go is Paradise.

--One of Midnight Well's first gigs, for sure the first-ever gig reviewed by the venerable Irish Times music critic George Hodnett, was a regular 'Blues Night' at the Focus theatre in 1976. After asserting that he didn't think MW had much to do with the blues (which we of course didn't) he said nice things about us, even alluding to this song: he said something like, '... in their own McGonagalesque phrase, Midnight Well is a band of deep proportions ...'

I loved Hoddie for listening to my lyrics. Never mind saying nice things on top of it!

Thom


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune (Midnight Well)
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 07:25 PM

Nice to be reminded of Pumpkinhead and Midnight Well. "Saw You Running" was a favourite track back then.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Wheel of Fortune (Midnight Well)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:33 AM

Good to hear from you, Thom!

Regards


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