BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:04 PM

There are quite a few veggies that can grow in shade, according to my organic guru. Herbs, Swiss chard and various sorts of peppers, he says (someone called and asked about growing plants indoors over the winter, with the assistance of fluorescent bulbs). I'd certainly want to give it a try.

Do you have someplace "non-traditional," like out by the front sidewalk, where there is more sun for the broccoli and tomatoes? I find that no one seems to even notice or care hat I grow vegetables in my front yard amongst the flowers and shrubs.

As for the rest of the argument, those two sour-pusses are not contributing anything useful, and they don't know any more than the rest of us, even if they like to say so.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Bee
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM

Something I would recommend if one wants to try to really supplement one's food with a garden is to keep in mind things that store well without power, and for those with little time for canning and preserving; consider growing root vegetables as staple foods. Potatos have big yields for the space they occupy, and only need a cool dark place to store. Around here, anybody who grows a few rows of potatos ends up with more than enough for the winter. We seldom buy potatos because we're usually gifted with enough to last the winter.

Subject: ADD: IT'S A SANTA CLAUS WORLD
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:31 PM

IT'S A SANTA CLAUS WORLD
In 3/4 (Waltz Time)

Its a Santa Claus world,
If you will,
Of ice cream and candy bars..
Eat your fill,
And all kinds of fatness,
That's bound to kill...
But we love it that way-y-y-y-y....
We love it that way, everyday,
And we hope that the bad times are here to stay....

In a Santa Claus world
Lets go for a ride
With cars shaped like bullets,
With people inside..
On concrete that covers our whole countryside..
But we love it that way..
We love it that way, everyday,
And we hope that the bad times are here to stay.....
Fal-la-la la-la, la la la la la-a-a-

In a Santa Claus world,
Where everyone dines..
On gluttonous steaks, champagnes, and wines,
With all virgin waitresses,
High in the skies,
On United Airlines.....
But we love it that way, everyday,
And we hope that the bad times are here to stay..
Fal-la-la-la-la, la la la la la-a-a-a

In a Santa Claus world,
The decorations appear,
For Christmas, in April...
The Savior appears..
With massed produced love and peace, everywhere...
Ten Dollars a pair......
Yeah, its the spirit of giving,
Through selling and buying.....
Fal la la la la.............Its the spirit of dying.....
Fal-la-la-la, la la la la la-a-a-........

We all love to sing our American waltz,
Fa la la la la...
It's our dream....
Come False..
Fal la-la-la la, la la la la, la-a-a-a-a

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:54 PM

Sprouts are a good way to get vegetable nutrients in the winter in the absence of a garden, too.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 08:09 PM

Thanks, Joe!,,I'll try to be more..ummm..conscientious, about remembering everything..next time!

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You did exactly the right thing - post a complete message, completely corrected, under the incorrect one. We volunteer editors are supposed to delete the earlier messages and save the most recent one. That's much easier than asking me to delete the third word from the end of the second sentence of the third paragraph.
But do you have a name of the songwriter for the song?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Bee
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:10 PM

True, Carol. I've just never liked sprouts much, except in one form - sprouted wheat bread, or Essene bread. That stuff is so delicious it's dangerous.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Real-Food/1984-01-01/Essene-Bread.aspx

I try to buy this whenever I'm in town, and someday I'd like to try making it myself.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

Vegetables to the right of me, Vegetables to the left of me...vegetables all around me......Maybe I'll be so healthy, from responsible eating that I won't need medicaid/medicare or a health plan...Good idea!!!

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:41 PM

Yeah, eating vegetables is all anyone needs if they get hurt accidentally or become ill with a genetic disease.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Bee
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:22 AM

Carol, I will never understand why Americans haven't invested in universal single payer health care a long time ago. The American system puts terrible burdens on many and enriches insurance companies, and yet the US government spends more per capita on health care than countries with universal systems. Makes no sense. Our system needs a few fixes, but damn, if I'm sick, I get looked after, same day if it's serious.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:45 AM

From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:41 PM

Yeah, eating vegetables is all anyone needs if they get hurt accidentally or become ill with a genetic disease.

..or even need eye care, from spending too much time on the computer...

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:01 AM

I will never understand why Americans haven't invested in universal single payer health care a long time ago.

Hillary was studying it, back when Bill was in office and she was "just the first lady." The insurance companies got wind of it and ran lots of negative issue ads and scared people so badly that the Clinton administration backed off.

The wind is still blowing from that direction--the insurance companies make so much money out of this system that they will exert any level of painful pressure necessary to scare Americans into backing off of such an idea.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:06 AM

Some of us make our living using the computer, so if we need eye care because of it, that's a very legitimate need.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:08 AM

GfS, look again. It's not socialism but fascism we're heading for.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:34 AM

Yeah well there's something strange. The Democrats adamantly say that decoupling insurance from employment would be a disaster. I thik it's the best thing that could happen. Chances are that the insurance and possibly other lobbyists have bought them out.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,LSM
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:53 AM

The UK government has announced details of a rescue package for the banking system worth at least £50bn.

It will initially make the extra capital available to eight of the UK's largest banks and building societies.

In return for the funding, the government will receive preference shares in those institutions.

The money will be used to prop up the banking system that has seen share prices plunging in recent weeks as banks have struggled to access funding.

As part of the package, a further £200bn will be made available by the Bank of England for short-term borrowing to provide liquidity to banks and building societies.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 03:18 AM

"The money will be returned to UK taxpayers some time in the future"

Ha fuckin' ha...IF there is ever any return from this bailout, the money will not be in the hands of taxpayers, but in the hands of the politicians.
It is basically robbery just like America.

If we want nationalisation it has to be the complete UK banking system, anything else simply cant work.

This robbery has also been perpetrated against all the small shareholders and pension funds who will see their investments dwindlke away to nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 03:29 AM

From: michaelr
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:08 AM

GfS, look again. It's not socialism but fascism we're heading for.

You look again!..I agree with you! what we have here is the LEFT wing(of socialism), and the Right wing (of socialism), moving their agenda upon us. When its all said and done, of course, it will take a police state, to enforce it. This charade we are in, is the movement of getting us either to 'vote' it in, or be forced upon us. Either way, the outcome is the same! Hey, God bless, and stay safe..plan ahead..., and if you are voting for one of these bozos, don't be fooled as to what they are!

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:25 AM

Ralph had been trying to get a loan every way he knew how because he was life and death desperate. Every system that he trusted unremorsefully took more than half of his pension. He felt betrayed by Congress, accountants, Banks and a political system that passed out millions of dollars for 10 minutes of a billionaires time.
By God if they take from me electronically with out so much as a how do you do or a reach around, he was going to get some of what they took from him back.

Ralph suffered every fee and penalty the banks ever devised but put everything he had into one shaky bank account.

Ralph went to the bank armed with a cell phone. He was about to close out his account. The bank warned him that whenever his account dipped below 1,200 dollars he would be subject to Bank fees.
But he had a plan that played out like a dream the night before right before he fell into the first sound sleep he had had for months.

Standing in an absurd line to close his account he squeezed his cell phone when it vibrated and startled him so much some people were startled in return. Ralph turned off all incoming calls. He needed the line open for split second timing when he got to the teller window.

The teller looked exhausted when he snaked his withdraw slip under the bullet proof window. He was nervous but not so much as to alarm anyone. He had to wait for the moment right before he pressed the send button on his cell phone. Not too early, not too late. He was going to get that loan for the price of a returned check if only his timing was just right.

He eyed the teller as she was entering his account number in the telex and then pushed the send button that made his whole body jerk with a jolt but was virtually unnoticed to others. His heart was beating fast. The send message was racing electrons to a buy now web address to purchase gold at the exact same amount of his closed bank account. The transaction went to his pay pal account linked to his current account that was being closed as signals were being sent back and forth across the country.

The teller handed him his money and he cautiously left the bank. The drive home was nerve wracking since he did not know if he had just stolen a #### load of gold or not. He got home shit the blinds and looked on his computer to see he had the Pay Pal receipt for enough gold to make a solid 7 inch cube of gold. That's enough gold to weigh just under 1000 pounds.

If and when the bank sorted out the identical withdrawal amounts he could be hit with a returned check fee, but Ralph was feeling he had his 1000 pounds of flesh. Gold went up that day about 25 dollars.

It turns out Ralph's bank did get swallowed up and the newly hired bank examiners, all from the hoards of unemployed investment brokers from Wall Street, never did make sense of Ralph's account that day.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:26 AM

SHUT ! and I tried so hard not to use a bad word.

Subject: RE: BS: If the Bottom DOES fall out
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:23 PM

I think the British method is more sound than the U.S. one. Using government dollars to buy preferred shares sounds like it has a better chance at success than the U.S. buying "toxic investments" and letting the banks move blithely forward without that nasty baggage that the government will spend a lot of money managing and probably not get a lot of value back from it. It's the stinking waste left behind by mortgage brokers and bond bundlers. The British are letting the banks sort out their own mess this way, and they have a vested interest in making those mortgage (or whatever) transactions work, even if they have to be modified. The U.S. banks will have no such motivation if their mess is just magicked away.

SRS