BS: Popular Views on Palin

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:45 AM

It's not just the moose that she's courting, she'd love to see the bear & wolf gone from the drilling fields so that big oil has no 4 legged opponents that the wildlifers could use as a deterrent to the drill. A lot like Pol Pot & the killing fields of southern Asia, kill off all the opposition before they can fight back.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:11 PM

Carol-

Thanks for the link to William F Buckley, Jr.'s, endorsement of Obama.

It makes interesting reading.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:40 PM

Here is a link to the report regarding her ethics violation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/troopergate-report-full-t_n_133806.html

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:31 PM

Panel's Report Finds Palin Abused Power in Firing

A legislative committee investigating Gov. Sarah Palin found
she unlawfully abused her authority in firing Alaska's public
safety commissioner, The Associated Press reported.

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM

In his endorsement of Obama, William F Buckley's son has a thing or two to say about Palin...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 02:42 PM

The Mindless Shrew of the North rides again. Ratatatatatat!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM

Dwindling because of predators on two legs with SUVs or planes. And lipstick in some cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:33 PM

In Montana, our universities educate wildlife biologists who often go on to work in departments of fish and game wildlife management. Scientists are important in the development of ecological and biological management in our region. The old days of killing off all predators for elk, deer and moose are gone, as the lack of predators proved to be actually a negative impact on game animals.

In Alaska, where "science" now seems to be a dirty word, Governor Palin took over the scene with a change in staff for wildlife management. If you have a Masters or PhD in wildlife biology, don't look to Alaska for a job.

Here is what she did - she appointed a new board of game that had not one qualified wildlife scientist on it. The members are now appointees including her middle school basketball coach Lewis Bradley. His qualifications? In his resume he notes that hunting, fishing and carving antlers are special interests of his. He also points out that he is working on a sheep hunting guide book, though the writing progress has stalled since he started remodeling his house.

Pay scale for Board of Game members, $31/hr. They meet 20-25 times a year and get travel and per diem.

The Alaska Board of Game makes most wildlife decisions in Alaska. The board is comprised entirely of trophy hunters no wildlife biologist or scientist is a member.

This year the Alaska Dept. of Fish and Game will exterminate 1,400 bears out of a population of 2,000 in an area west of Anchorage. The Alaskan Board of Game even approved the hunting of black bear mothers and cubs with the goal of killing 60 percent of the black bear population.

Although biologists have known since the 60's that predators actually keep prey populations healthy, Alaskan wolves and bears are being exterminated to boost dwindling moose populations.

(Gotta love that moose meat.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:15 PM

Maybe somebody got indigestion, the delayed variety.

XG

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

Investigation in Alaska is now revealing the details of Mr. Palin's subpoena response, including this:

Page 1, Line 17: "(Wooten) illegally shot a cow moose without a permit"

    Palin of course leaves out the fact that his entire family knew the moose was shot illegally in 2003 but that didn't stop him and his family from butchering and eating the meat, only to file the complaint two years later when Wooten was divorcing Sarah's sister.

Page 2, Line 16: "In 2005 and 2006, State Trooper Mike Wooten was the subject of a court ordered domestic violence protective order."

Palin of course leaves out the fact that the order was granted while Wooten was out of state taking his step son to Portland. While he was away, Sarah Palin and her sister went before a judge in Palmer and convinced the judge to grant the order without any evidence of domestic violence. Upon his return, Anchorage Judge John Suddock questioned Palin's sister and immediately revoked the order, calling it an egregious abuse of the legal system.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:16 AM

rig-
Have you seen any info on Palin's church--complete with witchcraft, speaking in tongues and laying on of hands?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:13 AM

How do you know that, Rig?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

Whatever Palin might have done, she didn't get down on her knees and wallow around in front of a maniac for 20 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

Riginslinger-

I was struck by your comment above that Palin "...wasn't associated with an organization as subversive as ACORN." Clearly you did not follow up the link to the Salon. com report of Palin's active support for the Alaska Independence Party (AIP):

click here for report

Or maybe you weren't impressed with AIP's denouncement of the United States; their statements certainly rival anything that Rev. Wright has come up with. Palin evidently was not a card-carrying member of this party but she made presentations at their general meetings and worked for more than 5 years with its leadership; when elected Mayor of Wasilla Palin tried to appoint Steve Stoll, the leader of the AIP and a member of the John Birch Society, to take her former Town Council seat; the effort failed. When elected Governor, Palin continued to work with AIP leaders.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by "subversive."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:57 AM

Texas has a "weak governor" system. Perfect for Bush. And a lot of Texans tried to warn everyone else what a jerk he was, but few were listening.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:52 AM

Could we sell it back to Russia?

maybe it will save our economy

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:51 AM

Mightn't Alaskan insdependence be quite a good idea? For the USA anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 08:06 AM

Yes, well, I find that very hard to argue with. And, of course, he had undergraduate and advanced degrees from Ivy League Universities, so that doesn't mean much either.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:12 AM

George W Bush had eight years of executive experience at the state level before he was elected president, and he's one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:09 AM

Don't kid yourself, and you're not fooling anyone else either. But fortunately, Obama isn't running against that twit Palin, now, is he?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 12:03 AM

Of course, an affirmative action candidate with a degree from Harvard means...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 11:10 PM

more executive experience perched on top of an iffy BA out of U. Idaho in journalism and a little time on television. Compare that to Harvard Law school, editing the Law Review, and all of the rest that came before their respective careers and she loses, hands down.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 10:25 PM

At least she has more executive experience than Barack Obama, and wasn't associated with an organization as subversive as ACORN.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 09:31 PM

More on Palin and the anti-American AIP today in Salon.
Investigative report from Alaska, "Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin's political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy. "Her door was open," says Chryson — and still is."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 08:04 PM

McCain, you have some 'splainin to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 06:52 PM

California would probably get out of their financial abyss if they did seceede.

Isn't the Country First slogan getting more Ironic everyday?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:12 PM

Washington Post article about an ABC interview of Joe Biden with Diane Sawyer.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:11 PM

This quote is important from the article by Kennedy:

"Palin's husband Todd remained an AIP party member from 1995 to 2002. Sarah can be described in McCarthy-era palaver as a "fellow traveler." While retaining her Republican registration, she attended the AIP's 1994 convention where the party called for a draft constitution to secede from the United States and create an independent nation of Alaska. The McCain Campaign has reluctantly acknowledged that she also attended AIP's 2000 Convention. She apparently found the experience so inspiring that she agreed to give a keynote address at the AIP's 2006 convention and she recorded a video greeting for this year's 2008 convention. In other words, this is not something that happened when she was eight!"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Alice
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:08 PM

Palin is living in a glass house, throwing faux stones.
You would think she would realize her own recent connections to the anti-American Alaska Independence Party (whom she, as governor, told to keep up the good work) would eventually come to the awareness of the rest of the country.
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"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."
The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")

snip

Vogler wasn't just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That's right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran."

Olberman, msnbc

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Also an article on this subject from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. today, Alaskan Independance Party, the last refuge of a scoudrel

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 01:56 PM

Yes. Perfect agreement on being "pro-life" by assertion.
But turning a blind eye to the Mother Teresa claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 10:39 AM

Palin in contradicting McCain whose base doesn't like him. She is the favored one and when
she would become president, she would carry on the Bush/Cheney/Rove agenda. That's
the plan on which the Republicans are banking. Sarah Barracuda is Bush in a dress.

You think McCain has temper management problems? Just think of what Sarah would do.

World War III (wink wink)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 07:53 AM

"I would love to see things from our priest's viewpoint, but I just can't shove my head that far up my ass."

                   TIA - Are you saying that your priest is in agreement with the group belonging to Palin's denomination?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 04:00 AM

Maybe we have different visions of what's possible, then. That's ok. I think both visions have validity and are valuable for helping to move the world in the direction it needs to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:51 AM

A revolution is a revolution..... Anything to get a nice new fridge!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 03:48 AM

Yes Carol, but usually we say, "this fridge is in a right mess, so we shift a few jars about, wipe the salad box, and shut the door quick before any of the nasties who live in the back can get out!

What we should be thinkin' is, "this old fridge is about fucked. The light doesn't work any more, the temperature control is erratic and the vacuum pump is ready for the broth pot.

So we shut the door quick to keep the nasties in, take it to the junk yard and tip it in the crusher....simple.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: TIA
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:35 PM

So, a pilrimage by a group belonging to Palin's denomination claims to have killed Mother Teresa with their prayers, and Palin's supporters shout "kill him" when she mentions Obama. All with no repudiation.

Pro-life? Horsepucky.

I would love to see things from our priest's viewpoint, but I just can't shove my head that far up my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:01 PM

I wonder what the story is behind the one that looks like a mushroom?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:57 PM

Pillar of salt Much better value than a moose hunter.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:32 PM

Not sure you can even kill a moose with a .223 round

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM

No moose hunter worth his/her salt would use an M-16.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Mark Ross
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:10 PM

In my latest quest for financial stability I am now offering at discount rates the new Mattel product, The CARIBOU BARBIE!

Comes with an M-16, a snowmobile, and a sexy pair of librarian glasses.


Mark Ross

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

But do they put out hot air like Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:49 PM

Read the details, Amos:



advantage of growing very big very fast.

poplars have very vigorous and invasive root systems

with fastigiate (erect, columnar) branching are particularly popular,

it has exceptional flexibility.

in light of its high energy in - energy out ratio, large carbon mitigation potential and fast growth.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:28 PM

I am well aware of the uses of poplar, Bruce, but the underlying fact remains that it is a mischaracterization of Senator Obama, not based on specifics or factual observations as far as I can tell.

OF course we all have _some_ snarky opinions here and there.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:56 PM

No, poplar is right...


Many poplars are grown as ornamental trees, with numerous cultivars selected. They have the advantage of growing very big very fast. Trees with fastigiate (erect, columnar) branching are particularly popular, and very widely grown across Europe and southwest Asia. However, like willows, poplars have very vigorous and invasive root systems stretching up to 40 m from the trees; planting close to houses or ceramic water pipes may result in damaged foundations and cracked walls and pipes due to their search for moisture.

Fast-growing hybrid poplars are grown on plantations in many areas for pulpwood and used for the manufacture of paper.[8] The wood is generally white, often with a slightly yellowish cast. It is also sold as inexpensive hardwood timber, used for pallets and cheap plywood; more specialised uses include matches and the boxes in which camembert cheese is sold. Poplar wood is widely used in the snowboard industry for the snowboard "core", because it has exceptional flexibility.

Poplar was the most common wood used in Italy for panel paintings; the Mona Lisa and indeed most famous early renaissance Italian paintings are on poplar.

Due to its tannic acid content, the bark has been used in Europe for tanning leather.[3]

There has been some interest in using poplar as an energy crop for biofuel, particularly in light of its high energy in - energy out ratio, large carbon mitigation potential and fast growth.

Poplar wood also, particularly when seasoned, makes a good hearth for a bow drill. It was picked as the material for the bones of "Buster", the crash test dummy used in the TV show MythBusters, after some experiments revealed that it fractures under approximately the same loads as human bone. Poplar is sometimes used in the bodies of electric guitars and drums.

A folk tradition noted among Michigan miners in the early 20th century asserted that poplar wood was used to make the cross upon which Jesus Christ was crucified.[9]

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:15 PM

"...or you will live a fearful live hemmed in by imaginary demons."


                      Yes, there are demons out there, all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM

McGrath, you weren't paying attention. McCain is supposed to be Teddy Roodevelt.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:42 AM

Where does this idea that Obama is over young to be president come from? He's already older than Clinton or Kennedy when they became president. And he's some years older than Teddy Roosevelt.

As for experience, his CV is more extensive than Lincoln's was, for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:33 AM

Ah, Rig, let the scales fall from your eyes, my friend. You gotta be able to see quality when it is in front of you, or you will live a fearful live hemmed in by imaginary demons.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Palin
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 11:19 AM

"...McCain is of a different kind of timber from the neck up--knotty oak, I think."


                      And Obama is wormwood!