BS: Obama's education

Subject: BS: Obama's education
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:59 AM

Who paid for Obama's education? The truth, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:01 AM

According to the Obamas, they paid for their educations with student loans, which were paid off with proceeds from the sale of Barack's books.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:04 AM

But, of course, the Obamas have proven to be less than reliable sources.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Alice
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:11 AM

Scholarships and student loans - see this fact check at www.snopes.com that debunks the false emails on this subject.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM

Well, I know who paid for at least a portion of McCain's education, and health care. My family.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 11:50 AM

But, of course, the Obamas have proven to be less than reliable sources.

As against the rumour and libel factories that pump out such reliable information.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 12:08 PM

"But, of course, the Obamas have proven to be less than reliable sources."

I'd ask for examples but you wouldn't be able to provide any - so why bother ? Snide little snips that can't be backed up or proven are just a waste of time - but they do get people talking about things other than the real issues. So I guess they are successful after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 04:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Riginslinger - PM
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 09:04 AM

But, of course, the Obamas have proven to be less than reliable sources.

It is standard operating procedure for the republican supporters to continue to tell lies and spread innuendo, regardless of the truth. They're hoping their lies will lodge with people who aren't paying attention or who want to be reinforced in their choices.

Same ol' Same ol' for Riginslinger, isn't it?

Yawn

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:28 PM

Why, it's getting so I barely miss Martin Gibson at all! ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:49 PM

I know what you mean. He seems to have a few avatars.

On an aside, Bill: remember when few people knew what the term "avatar" meant, it was lodged firmly in the realm of scholarly use?

Times do change!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Amos
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 05:52 PM

It was cmmonly used in mystical circles, as well.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 06:09 PM

I've known what it meant since I was about 15 years old, and that's a LOOOOONG time ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 12:35 AM

The Avatar was also the name of folk musician Mel Lyman's rag. So folkies have been using & understanding that term for over a 1/4 century now. I used to get copies every now & then, growing up in the vicinty of Fort Hill.

Obama being a Harvard scholor, I'm sure was also familar with the term & maybe the rag too.

Obama hasn't tried to cover up his education at all, if anything he's used it as an example of some of the pros & cons of our educational system. Pro being that loans are possible & con that it's not as accessable to the poor as it is to the rich

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:11 PM

Obama's lies are legion. The Annenberg foundation gave him his start in politics, yet he claims he barely knows Bill Ayers (murdering terrorist), who got him hooked into Annenberg. Obama is apparently an Indonesian citizen, since he never fully complied with the naturalization process. There are records of him attending muslim schools in Indonesia, yet he denies he did. He says he was born in Hawaii, too, but his grandma says he was born in Kenya. The coverup of that particular lie has led to the governor of Hawaii (a Republican, by the way), sealing his birth records. Lie after lie. Just like Pelosi and the lying "alternatives to the Republicans" lied their ways into office in 2006 (remember, they were going to end the Iraq war and hold Bush accountable, etc), Obama is now going to "change" things. But he supports war and banking bailouts. No change with Obama except for pocket change for you and me. Obama is G.W. Bush's third term.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:14 PM

From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 08 - 08:59 AM

Who paid for Obama's education? The truth, please.

He was tutored by the best.....thugs, terrorists, Muslims, crooks, and ideologs....not to mention Clinton.....

Gawd! They hate this.....But...

When you submit to a person for the benefit of what you see is good in that person, because you submitted, you also submit to other parts, and are under the power of the bad as well...Keep on spinning, and diverting the attention away from the obvious answer..and evidence.....!....just like him!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:16 PM

Well, well well, Mr. Machine I guess I'm not so alone.....welcome aboard!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:26 PM

Bill Ayers (murdering terrorist Guest/This Machine belongs to a Fascist

"He was tutored by the best.....thugs, terrorists, Muslims, crooks, and ideologs....not to mention Clinton.....Guest/Far, Far From Sanity

With ideologues like these we needn't wait for the Organized Right to show up.

Frankly, I think you are both shameful.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:34 PM

I was told to keep this close to the vest by Rig but..

After Barack was trained in insurgency at the Rashid Al Karumba Maddrassa he went on to study mind control techniques at the KGB Institute on Moscow. After completing High School his college applications were sponsored by Al Quada of Indonesia and when Harvard accpeted him the full tuition was paid for by Iran Center for Islamic studies. He attended a Christian study group in Chicago along with Bill Ayers who wanted to infiltrate the Evangelical right and learn the basic phrases and customs of Christians.

Introduction to community activists caught the attention of the DNC who has elevated his rise to the Congress. The back story of his grandparents is a very clever story that took only $200,000 to the alleged grandmother who accepted the pay off after her husband was killed under suspicious circumstances.

The huge amounts of money poured into Baracks Presidential campaign came from oil rich Islamic statesonly after it was laundered through Saudi Arabian banks that dealt directly with the Afghani opium smugglers and the herion factories in Iran & Turkey and finally exchanged into american donations via innumerable small donations from Pakistani owned conveinient store owners.

This may be off topic but he once had a three way with George and Condi.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:39 PM

Won't be around long. A chink in the armor lets me in occasionally, but then the fascism firms up again and I'm locked out. That's fine. Been kicked out of better places than this.

But since I'm here, let me point out that Obama offers fascism under "left cover." Most people think of conservatives, right-wingers, nazis, republicans and so on when they think of fascists. But political orientation has little to do with the term in practice. Hell, Hitler called his party the National SOCIALISTS, so that should tell you something.

Author Webster Tarpley has written about this and he speaks about it constantly on internet interviews (has his own show too). Recorded and streamed at your convenience:

http://gcnlive.com/Programs/WorldCrisisRadio/On_Demand.html

Anyway, Tarpley is a Democrat and FDR New Dealer, and he calls Obama a fascist. He points to Obama's grassroots base as evidence. Mussolini, Hitler, et al were a ground-up movement, not a movement imposed from the top down. In America today, only Obama has that kind of support. Tarpley argues (rightfully, I think), that things will continue to fall apart in America under Obama, and when his million-man Green Army is in place, the thugs and mob will be directed at "eco-criminals." Children are now brainwashed in school to worship the environment, and these unemployed and unemployable youths will be directed at those who are out of favor with the government. The police will either stand down or help (as they did in Italy and Germany), and that will make America a fascist state--mob rule. That and the corporatism Mussolini talked about.

What seems to fascinate Tarpley is that the "koolaid drinkers" on the left keep throwing the "fascist" term at the people on the right, and they don't realize that they themselves are becoming the fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 08:48 PM

Got him hooked into Annenberg... sounds like someone is suggesting that the Republicans who founded and run the Annenberg foundation, the ones who served in the Reagan administration and who have funded John McCain's campaign for president, are some kind of disreputable organization. Hmmm... maybe they're right.

Muslims, on the other hand, are no more disreputable as a group than Christians or any other religious group.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 09:49 PM

Oh yeah, and "Obama is apparently an Indonesian citizen, since he never fully complied with the naturalization process." Since he was born in the State of Hawaii, he is a natural-born citizen, regardless of his father's citizenship. And that birthplace and birth certificate stuff? Thoroughly debunked. FactCheck.org says that their "staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."

And, while we are at it, anyone who thinks that Representative Pelosi and the lying "alternatives to the Republicans" (i.e. the Democrats, I assume) control Congress and can get anything done doesn't understand basic civics. There are 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats and 2 Independents in the Senate. Unless there are 60 votes to break a filibuster, the Republicans can prevent any legislation they don't like from being passed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

"A chink in the armor lets me in occasionally,..."

Martin...Martin? Zat you, Martin? Sure sounds like you... even smells much the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 10:49 PM

Once Famous, he was..............

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 11:14 PM

B. H. Obama was born in Kenya, according to his grandmother:

Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room....

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324

Obama made an "emergency" trip to Hawaii a while back and said his grandmother may not be around by election time, and it sounded more like a threat than a statement of health.

And then there's this, from just today:

Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

Obama was born in Kenya and then moved to Indonesia, and eventually he worked his way into the U.S. through Hawaii. He never filed natualization papers because the fraud of his citizenship was in the process of being perpetrated. If he has nothing to hide, why doesn't he provide the controversial documentation? I have my birth certificate, and the government says it can demand I present it for various reasons. Why won't Obama present his? And why would an "opposition" party member violate the Freedom of Information Act to insure that no one can see a birth certificate?

McCain has problems in that area, too. He was born at the Coco Bolo hospital in Panama in 1936, and the hospital didn't become American property until 1941. I suspect McCain was put up as the opponent this time because of Obama's citizenship problem. Both men are unqualified to be president because of the constitutional requirement, so neither will use that particular bit of ammunition against the other.

As far as Pelosi and that gang of criminals, they VOLUNTARILY backed off challenges to the war and the crimes of Bush. Tens of thousands have died in Iraq because of Reid, Pelosi, et al. They promised, then they broke the promise. They will be tried and found guilty when the revolution comes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 11:31 PM

Lest we forget, some of the things which the Bush cabal initiated and the Democrats rubber-stamped:

Pre-emptive nuclear attack is now a "tool" in the American foreign policy arsenal.

Wars without borders against unseen "terrorists."

Torture, rape and murder of adults and children held in American custody as "suspected terrorists."

Re-definition of domestic terrorism as the breaking of any federal or state law.

No right to appear before a judge (habeas corpus) when you are charged with a crime.

Warrantless secret wiretaps made "legal."

Rendition to foreign countries for "questioning" if you are a suspected terrorist.

Loss of U.S. citizenship if you are declared to be a "suspected terrorist." Without citizenship, you have no rights under the Geneva Convention and can be tortured to death during "questioning."

September 11, 2001 provided overwhelming evidence of inside-the-government control, yet the event has not been investigated. People with vested interests in the companies and the countries involved in the event investigated themselves.

The Secretary of the Treasury is now NOT subject to judicial or administrative review, thanks to the Bailout Bill. The Secretary of the Treasury is now the fourth branch of the American government and a law unto himself.

The New Freedom Initiative medicates school children with lobotomizing behavior drugs. It was beta tested in Texas and then went nationwide when the TX governor Bush was inserted into the White House. The drug companies that wrote the legislation stated that their goal was to increase the number of zombie children in public schools from 15% to 50%.

The Real I.D. Act created a national I.D. card (Think Germany and the Nazis...your papers, please).

Numerous Executive Orders, Signing Statements and Presidential Directives put into effect over the past 8 years have given the president the power of life and death over every American.

Etc., etc., etc.

The Democrats haven't challenged any of the above items. A squawk here and there, but no real challenges. The Real I.D. act was passed 100-0 in the Senate. Presidential Directive 51 outlines the president's martial law powers, but no one in the congress has read it, because it's so secret. Pelosi and her crew will answer for all of the above and more.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 11:33 PM

Hello - he did "provide the controversial document". Once again, FactCheck.org says that their "staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said." The law suit claiming he was born in Kenya has been thrown out as "frivolous and not worthy of discussion".

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:14 AM

The birth certificate has NOT been checked out. Except by a group called FactCheck.org, for what that's worth. Why would the governor break the law and declare the thing off limits unless there's something to hide?

Also, Phillip Berg's case against Obama was thrown out for "lack of standing." The judge said Berg had no right to make the challenge. Berg's an American, a voter and a Democrat, yet he has no standing to ask for proof that his party's candidate for president is qualified to run?

You all know there has been a concerted effort by the media, by the courts, and by BOTH parties to put Obama into the White House. The Democrats circumvented the primary process (which Hillary Clinton should have won), by using thuggery to count electoral votes in key states. The media has been onboard since day one promoting Obama and thumping McCain. Now, a Republican governor has sealed the birth certificate of the Democratic nominee for president. Come on. You're being force fed a candidate. Don't you wonder why? You were force fed G. Bush two times, so do you think the meal will be any more palatable the third time? Nothing substantive is known about Obama's past. The media has counted the skidmarks in Palin's underwear, yet we still don't know where Obama was born. In the words of Mr. X, you've been flim-flammed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:24 AM

I guess you can't discuss facts with conspiracy theorists. Have fun up there on your grassy knoll.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:52 AM

Spouting something from a group called FactCheck doesn't mean you're spouting facts.

The Obamazoids are pathetically desperate, in the same way the Bushites were. 8 years of mean ol' Clinton led to "the alternative," and now 8 years of mean ol' Bush will lead to "change."

Obama is the establishment candidate. The establishment gave you G.W. Bush, and now they're giving you B.H. Obama. You've been bamboozled.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:02 AM

Waving you arms and declaring things true in loud, condemnatory tones does not make it true.

FactCheck is a lot more specific, detailed and reputable in their assertions about what they have verified than you are, amigo. When you can come back with specifics, feel free.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:11 AM

Close the curtain. It's just a wizened little oaf.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: GUEST,This machine kills fascists
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:15 AM

So you're calling Obama's grandmother and family liars? Was FactCheck in the delivery room?

Typical Democrats, placing more faith in groupthink than in the individual. Obama hates his family, by the way. His people living like dogs in Kenya, while he says you can judge a person's character by the way he treats his family. He's TELLING you he's scum. It's part of the taunting and arrogance that the ruling elite expect of one another.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:18 AM

Ya know what? Your wild-eyed, foaming generalizations are really, really, really boring. Your negativity is so ineffectual it isn't even dampening, and your "facts" are so full of holes you shouldn't be caught wearing them outdoors.

Get a life, or get a brain, or both.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:23 AM

Snopes on the birth certificate

More from Snopes on Obama's citizenship

What Really Happened on the Governor of Hawaii and the birth records

Aloha,

Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle's office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawai'i Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is false.

Under Hawai'i's state law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor's office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai'i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.

Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawai'i Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:

(a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

You can find the complete statute at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

Mahalo,

Office of Governor Lingle


Pictures of the actual birth certificate here

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:29 AM

This is the best picture of the birth certificate

Click on the picture to make it bigger.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:24 AM

So Machine - How many people are involved in this conspiracy? So far we've have both political parties, the media, John McCain, Obama's family, lots of Arabs, have I left anyone out? So I figure that makes the total number of people involved in the thousands - maybe even hundreds of thousands. Does that sound right to you?

Also - It sounds like they started this conspiracy a long long time ago. Perhaps back when Obama was born. How was he chosen?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:35 AM

"Living like dogs in Kenya..."

Here's Obama's grannie in Kenya, a lovely lady - a "Sarah" with a difference. There are more ways than one to live a happy life, and more ways than one that a home can be beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

Folks, you have one person using anonymizer. Classic troll, and from Minnesota. I would suggest you ignore the rantings, go out, convince folks to vote, make sure you vote yourself, get O'bama (couldn't help it, I'm an Irish kid...**chuckle**) ....... and then get ready for the onslaught of attacks. We need to rescue the dream, and we START on Tuesday. Ignore the rantings from the hinterlands, and from discredited, nasty trolls.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:29 AM

When did Obama's Kenyan grandmother die, I wonder? Sarah, I have read, is no blood relation but was one of his father's wives.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: jeffp
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:32 AM

I gotta admit, Mick, that this is some of the funniest shit I have ever read. You can see the venom dripping from her mouth as she types this nonsense.

What's she going to do when both Obama and Franken win?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 10:35 AM

By the way - I voted last Sunday. It's nice to know that it's out of the way and there won't be any crowds to deal with next Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:52 PM

Mama Sarah Obama is still very much alive.   At least she was one hour ago - being a bit pestered by the media.

And I rather think what Ebbie read about her not being Obama's granny is not accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:13 PM

I read it too. The article (from a reputable source) said that Sarah Obama is Barack's grandfather's second wife. So she would have been Barack's father's step-grandmother. But the article also said that in the local culture, that's considered the same as being his grandmother.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:15 PM

Actually, I should rephrase that. She is Barack's grandfather's second wife, but Barack's father was apparently the biological son of the grandfather's first wife.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:23 PM

I read someplace that Grandfather Obama had 44 wives, but I don't think I've ever heard how many are still living. I wonder how many people do have the right to call themselves his grandmother?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:23 PM

Anyone recall that McC wasn't born in the United States? Neither was Barry Goldwater, his idol.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:30 PM

According to this article, the grandfather had three wives, but it says that Sarah was the one who actually raised Barack's father (his father's natural mother left when her husband moved the family to another part of Kenya). Barack considers her to be his grandmother, and she is the one he stayed with when he went to Kenya, and he calls her his grandmother.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:31 PM

Oops. Forgot the link...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545459,BSX-News-wotreeu09.article

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:22 PM

...he calls her his grandmother And that's what matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: kendall
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 09:32 PM

I voted today. As far as I'm concerned, it's settled. Obama is president. Suck it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:45 PM

McGrath, I have no problem with the grandmother/grandson relationship between the two. I think it's great- Obama does not have many forebears who are alive. I'm talking about blood relation. I haven't seen pictures of his half-sister and half-brother but I would imagine there is a family resemblance. There would not be a family resemblance between Obama and his grandmother.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's education
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 11:53 PM

The birth certificate things really puzzles me. Why in the world would the family have had the foresight to forge the birth certificate, over 40 years ago? My son was born in Berlin, and I registered him as a U.S. citizen born overseas. Now I'm wondering if I should have also registered his birth in Germany, so he would have the advantage of EU citizenship.

It seems preposterous that the Obama family would have altered the birth record all those years ago, just so Barack could become President in 2008. Would that I had such foresight.

-Joe-