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From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: nickp Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM Donation made. Nick |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: SINSULL Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:11 AM Paypal did not require a fee from me. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: artbrooks Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:56 AM IMHO, membership is probably not a good idea. Sir Max asks for cash infusions very rarely - or someone else does on Mudcat's behalf, like last year's terabit drive. I assume that, in normal times, this means that the ads, you-click fees (such as the Amazon portal) and auctions provide most of the operating expenses. I'd hate for us to get into a situation where people feel justified in saying "I paid my five bucks, why should I put in more" in unusual circumstances like we are in now. Max runs Mudcat...Mudcat doesn't run Max (although I'm sure that sometimes he thinks it does). He has every right to relocate for a new job, for personal growth, to support his family, or just because he wants to. {I won't get into the relative virtues (or lack of them) of universities in the effete East.} It is really none of our business. His commitment to take Mudcat along with him and continue managing it as he begins a new career needs, and deserves, our personal and, if possible, financial support. Yes, folkies are rarely wealthy, and many of us live on pensions of one sort or another. So, contribute if you can and don't if you can't. BTW, I consider Sorcha a personal friend. I disagree entirely with her very polite (especially for Sorcha) request for an accounting for past donations, but I think the responses to it have been entirely out of line. It seems to me that, rather than addressing anything she actually said (go back and read her comments, guys), those who are responding to her statements - including a Mod who I also consider a friend - are trying to outdo the previous responders in gratuitous rudeness. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: kendall Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:57 AM Beer, I support freedom of speech, but Sorcha put this in the forum instead of taking it up with Max in private. That tells me that she was looking for a row, and she got it. I've contributed quite a lot to mudcat over the past 10 years and I don't need an accounting, and it looks to me like the majority of us don't need an accounting. If Max should just say "Screw it, it's not worth my bother" many of us are going to be really pissed off at the mal contents. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:15 AM If all of us were to sent in what we think the Cat is worth to us, that would probably mean a great deal more money coming in than Max actually needs. In the unlikely circumstance that this actually happened, I'd trust Max to decide what to do with it - set it aside for a rainy day, pass it on to some good cause, or blow it on a Caribbean cruise for the family... But I'd think it more likely that, with luck, there'll be just about enough to keep the Cat afloat. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: curmudgeon Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:36 AM I know that PayPal does not charge the sender, but... "It sometimes also charges a transaction fee for receiving money (a percentage of the amount sent plus an additional fixed amount). The fees charged depend on the currency used, the payment option used, the country of the sender, the country of the recipient, the amount sent and the recipient's account type." I thus added a bit more than I intended for Max, just in case he is charged a fee. If that's not the case, he now has a pittance more to use - Tom |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: treewind Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:52 AM Strange - Paypal gave me the option of paying the fee or deducting it from the amount received. It was quite explicit about what was going to happen. I chose to add the fee at my end, but there was no "just in case" about it - and indeed, there should not be. Anahata |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bill D Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:16 AM Max has said many times that he will NOT have a formal membership fee. We here in the DC area do an annual folk festival where there are big jars for donations, but NO one is charged. It works well. New folks at Mudcat might be put off if they arrive, only to find a cost attached. Many though, are inspired to contribute after being here awhile. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:19 AM PayPal takes a cut on many (most) transactions. When we were moving money around for a computer project last year it was discovered that PayPal took a percentage when we sent cash to each other. When I suggested the PBS model I didn't utter the word "subscription," just to clarify my point, if that is why the conversation has switched to that topic. PBS is an honor system and no one denies you the privilege to watch or listen to your heart's content if you don't join the station or channel. No one tells you how much you should contribute. But the people who DO join know that if it didn't have altruistic subscribers, it WOULD go away. They're doing some of the financial heavy lifting for everyone else. SRS |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:28 AM Max, if you're still checking this thread, I have a request. When you can, please add a link to the Mudcat Auction FAQs on the Add Item to the Auction page so folks can find the info easily. Thanks! Also sent as PM. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: gnu Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:48 AM As I posted previously on this thread, there is info on funding, expenses, donations, membership, and the like. Ya just gotta look for it. Here is one example. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Big Mick Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:02 PM Adrien and Art, I have read and pondered your comments and find that I cannot agree. And my comments were not gratuitous nor were they an attempt to outdo anyone. Sorcha chose to make a public comment that I found, in tone and content, to invite a response. The implications of it were clear. Cutting through all the emotional folderal that the thread has generated, this woman (whom I also consider a Mudcat friend) who has used this site to her advantage in addition to contributing her input, chose to chastise a person who has given her the outlet and opportunity to expand her world. If she really gave a damn about Max and the site, she would have contacted him personally and expressed her concerns. But, in my opinion, she chose to express her "irrascible" opinion in public. When you do that, you invite response. The responses she got were just as "irrascible" as what she posted. I am not throwing Sorcha out the window, nor am I ganging on. I simply wrote my response to her comments. I remember when she came here. She certainly has contributed to the quilt. But her, like all of us, has gotten much more than she gave, financially, spiritually, knowledgewise .... on every level this place gives back far more than any of us contribute. Neither of you would even know who she, or any of us, were it not for this place. This is why I found the method, the language, and the tone of her comments to be unacceptable to me. I stand by my response to her comments. Mick |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Megan L Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:11 PM My mum gave me a piece of advice for when I got older:) never quite knew if i was old enough yet to use it. She said "If you are about to say something to someone imagine for a moment a teenager saying the same thing to you. If it sounds like something you would skelp them for then don't say it rudeness isnt pleasing at any age." |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Beer Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:40 PM I have no problem with your comment Kendall, Mick or any other. There are always two sides and I can see yours very clearly. I hate seeing what is happening and do hope that Sorcha will come back. As far as the membership suggestion is concerned it was simply a suggestion. I believe it does have some merits but also has pitfalls. Just an idea and topic for discussion. Adrien BTW Kendall and Mick, I do hope to see and hear you both at our festival in the near future. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM Megan, was Granny your mum's mum, by any chance? ;-) Max, I second Kat's request about displaying the auction-page info in more places. Not knowing how to administer things or handle money scared me off donating until now, and even after looking for it I couldn't find the FAQ page. In fact, auctioning stuff is dead easy - even easier if you give 100% of the take to Mudcat! (No currency handling to worry about.) Try it, you guys - I particularly like the international aspect of it - a nifty way for Statesiders to buy British/Irish/Other items and still pay dollars. (Anybody fancy a green plastic leprechaun sitting on a shamrock?) (Kidding . . .) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:09 PM gnu, thanks for posting that link. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:14 PM OK guys, I know that of all people I'm not the one to really say this...but then again, maybe I am. Come on now, you fellas all love one another, we all do, in our own 'irascible' way. :0) Could we just all stay friends now, kiss and make up. Sorcha was maybe feeling a little grumpy, many others got a little angry, but out of it all has come enormous support for Max and for Mudcat, and this thread, probably above all others, has proved just how important Mudcat is, to all of us. I'm getting real upset watching all of you getting upset. You're all good people, kind people. Mudcat is free, and for that we should all thank our lucky stars, for to have it any other would be a shame and many would walk away or never even find it in the first place. What this thread has done is opened our eyes to the fact that in a way, Mudcat belongs to us all, and therefore, we should all support Max, and hell...he shouldn't even HAVE to ask in the first place really, should he. Do we ask our lifeboats or fire crews to account for our donations? Nope. Some of us don't donate, yet still get rescued by them regardless, and they never hold it against us. Same with Mudcat...I've never donated up until now, yet I've caused Max, Joe and Mick some pretty awful headaches over various things in the past, but they still 'rescued' me when I needed it, regardless of anything else that had happened. Besides, let's face it, we'd all be in need of the ambulance crews if Mudcat disappeared..LOL So yes, Sorcha has done a lot of good, perhaps in a way she never intended, but that's so often how these things happen...and Mick has, as always, made me smile with his passionate writing, this time in loyal support of his dear friend Max. And Adrien's apples are spilling out all over, with his wonderful festvial and yes, wouldn't it be just GRAND if Mick and Kendall got to play there too! It's a festival that I reckon is on the up and up. Anyways ups, you guys are all luvvvverly. And Max and Mudact are loved to pieces, for all they have given to so very many of us. So onward and upwards. Peace, everyone. Lizzie :0) x (on line to being a fighter pilot any day now, Kevin!) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Big Mick Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:16 PM No Bonnie, I have plenty, but if you have some of those nifty pointy ears and funny shoes layin' around........ ***chuckle***. I could swap you my autographed 45 of The Unicorn for them. Adrien, it is my fondest hope that I get to your festival. I love most things Canadian, and this one seems to be a comer. I am done with the discussion of this funds thing. In my opinion Sorcha, meself, and all of us have said it all. Time to get back to Mudcattin. Don't worry about Sorcha, she will be back. She's got too much backbone and heart not to, and she is part of the fabric of the place. I know how it feels when we say things (without comment about whether they are right or wrong) that people react badly to. It hurts, and I say this from raw experience. One cannot be around a place as long as Sorch, meself, Kendall, Jeri, Joe, and a host of others, without at some point pissing people off. It usually takes a few weeks, and then we work our way back. I vote for, and intend to, put it behind and get back to what we do. Give if you feel you can. Good suggestion on the auction, kat. I will make sure Max sees it, but my guess is he has already. He is paying a lot of attention to his baby Mudcat these days. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:36 PM Enough talk about Sorcha. It ends here. Her comments are valid, and I do in fact owe her a lot, and like her a great deal. She worked hard on those CDs and she deserves whatever she requests. All my files are in boxes right now with no place to go, but I give my word that I'll dig out the financials, once I move and get settled, from the Blue Plate Special sales and let you all know what happened. I like public discussions, no matter how controversial. But you have to be prepared to accept what happens after you hit submit. I don't think I reacted with any disrespect or attack, if I did I am sorry, but bringing it up in public calls for the public to respond. I cannot apologize for that because Sorcha has been here long enough to know what happens. Once again, this particular conversation need not go on. Sorcha is a member of our family that merely spoke her mind. I saw the auction links, I'll see if I can do that now. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM Thanks for getting the FAQS link in the auction, Max. I think that will help get more folks to take part in it. I appreciate your being on the spot with it! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: ranger1 Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:03 PM Money sent, Max. Don't forget to feed the dog, 'kay? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Sorcha Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:04 PM Thank you Max. That was all I ever really meant. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:12 PM You're logged in! That's wonderful - whatever differences of opinion we all might have, I was always sorry at the thought of you leaving. This means you'll stay, right? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jan 09 - 12:37 AM Max, I've had something weird happen twice in the past day and this evening. I have been cruising around in the BS threads, posting, editing html links, etc., then clicked on "forum home" in one of those threads. When I get routed to the top of the page, there are several marked "BS" threads at the top of the music section. When I go into one to check that it is designated "BS", it is, and when I click back out, they have all gone below where they belong. It doesn't bother me, but it does seem to be a glitch I thought you might want to know about. Also PMd. kat
-Joe- |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:31 AM Max, the Amazon-UK link doesn't work - when I click on it, I get this: 400 Bad Request Request cannot be handled by the server. Reason: Connection with Host: header containing unknown local host name "amazonuk.mudcat.org". Received on IP address 192.168.1.9, which is not bound to any virtual server. Cannot proceed. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:34 AM French & Canadian links also kaput, same response. USA one's OK, though - |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: VirginiaTam Date: 24 Jan 09 - 08:55 AM Yo Maxman Check out your paypal. Some money on the way to you in the US from me in the UK. May take a few days for it to go through with exchange. Not exactly how it works as it has been a long time since I did an overseas paypal transaction. Anyway, spend it on something important - like beer! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 24 Jan 09 - 09:04 AM Yes, I'm sure Adrien would be very grateful ;-) VT, if you'd prefer to pay by sterling cheque, send a PM to John Routledge and he'll give you details of a UK account you can lodge into, from which funds are then sent on to Max. (UK Friends of Mudcat thread) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Beer Date: 24 Jan 09 - 09:13 AM Lol Bonnie. Hope you are well. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 24 Jan 09 - 10:56 AM OK, I fixed the amazon links. Forgot to do it on the new server. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Jan 09 - 11:07 AM Mudcat Chat may need to be re-connected also. I've tried entering several times this week and get the message that I'm not logged in, but as you can see by my extant cookie, I am. Good to see you logged in again, Sorcha! Now we'll wait to see if Kat can reassemble the bits of her crumbling cookie. . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: sleepyjon Date: 24 Jan 09 - 11:58 AM . .err . . sorry folks, but . . Is there something somewhere that tells me how to make a contribution thro' paypal? (I don't know Mudcat all that well, and Paypal hardly at all). I get too much information, interest and sheer fun browsing around here not to chip in something. SJ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie Date: 24 Jan 09 - 02:01 PM Apologies, I've only just switched on to this thread. I've come to love Mudcat. Quite a new learning experience, and a mostly fabulous one so far. Cheers Max, though I don't know who you are.... Where's the page with you and your family? What I'd like to ask, is how do completely skint folk 'contribute'? I'm genuinely in a shite state financially, though I do sometimes engage in charitable activity. Can I contribute in non-financial means to the maintenance of this community you have forged? And sorry Joe etc., but DOH! For fuck Sake here's a lesson in "life the internet and everything" else for that matter here: don't send out what you don't want sent back your way... x ;-) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 24 Jan 09 - 02:55 PM sleepyjon, here's the info oyu requested. It can be found by clicking on the fish jumping out of the banjo logo on at the top of the main forum page. Thanks for caring and asking! Our secure server is not currently available. You can contribute by mailing checks or money orders. You can also use PayPal (send to max@mudcat.org). The Mudcat Café PO Box 3006 West Chester, PA 19381 (610) 517-8858 |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:43 AM Max - sorry to keep banging on about those wretched Amazon links, but two of them are still not quite right. USA and UK work fine, but the Canada and France ones just take you to the American site. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:37 AM Hmmm, you're right about those links. Tricky bastards. Lets try this... |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Megan L Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:40 AM Max behave ur ye'll end up ower ma knee ah'll skelp yer bahookie till yer lug ring. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM Well, the links are giving me fits, and the chat did last weekend. I can't figure them out at the moment, so I'm going to walk away for a bit. I'll let ya'll know when I make any progress. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:03 AM Walking is a good way to keep fit, Max. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Jeri Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:09 AM It's not like Amazon CA and Amazon FR is it? They go to the right places but I don't know if Mudcat gets a piece o' da akshun. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:27 AM Gosh that second link froze my PC Jeri |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Beer Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM Guess you have to live in France or Quebec John. He! he!. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Jeri Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:36 AM Some mod fixed it. ;-) Forgot an end bracket on the address. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:58 AM Yep, those work Jeri, and we do get credit. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:16 AM Jeri's links above in this thread work properly, but when I try the ones on either the Mudcat main intro-page OR the click-on-the-blue-banjo page, France and Canada still take me to the good old U S of A . . . ??? Just tested it this minute. I get the UK all right - I'm in Ireland, but surely that shouldn't make a difference, should it? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Jeri Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:25 AM Yep, Bonnie. The official Mudcat links are the same as when you first posted about them. The ones I posted are a bit different. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Max Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:29 AM I'm working on those Bonnie. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:32 AM Sorry, I misread the dialogue - I thought people were saying they'd been fixed. Not trying to hassle you - |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: Jeri Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:41 AM My bad... The second link I posted in my message was embuggered, and then got unembuggered. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009 From: olddude Date: 25 Jan 09 - 11:17 AM DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH IT COST MAX I do software development, I pay for high speed lines and they don't give them away because of your smile. Forget his time it takes to keep the thing running , or the software upgrade costs, or the server upgrades, or the electric costs and he list goes on. I pay over 2000 a month for mine doing my own work Good grief |
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