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Subject: BS: To all British catters From: GUEST,Kendall Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:16 AM I have a right wing friend who just sent me an article from your Daily Mail in which the writer jumps all over President Obama. Can one of you find me an article in support of President Obama? I understand he is very popular in Europe, so it should be easy to find. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: caitlin rua Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:27 AM Don't take The Mail or any of the other tabloids seriously as news disseminators. That doesn't seem to be what they're for. Look at something like The Guardian if you want some actual reporting. Like this story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/28/obama-policy-technology |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Rasener Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:43 AM http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/28/obama-policy-technology Always a good place to look is the BBC.co.uk website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2008/obama_presidency/default.stm |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: eddie1 Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:53 AM Hi Kendall Can I echo what caitlin said re the Daily Mail. I regularly use stuff from there on my weekly radio programme just because they are so off the wall! The vast majority of UK papers were hanging out the flags when Obama was elected. Have to tell you of a dear friend of mine in West Tennessee (originally from Alabama) who, last October when I was visiting, assured me that we would, "never see a n***a in the White House" I reminded him of the time he said exactly the same about a catholic. That was just before JFK was elected! Good to know he's consistent. Seriously though, my only fear is that the world is going to expect to much of Obama. It's going to take a long time to clear up the mess he's moved into. I, and most folks over here, wish him good luck. Eddie |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Gervase Date: 29 Jan 09 - 10:08 AM The Daily Mail has always been notorious. In the 1930s it was an active supporter of Oswald Mosley and his Blackshirts and was very pro-fascist. Not a lot has changed. In the rest of the UK media the reaction to Obama has been overwhelmingly positive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 29 Jan 09 - 10:11 AM I see the Mail most days and it has been very positive about Obama. It was anti Bush/Blair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 29 Jan 09 - 10:17 AM Non political piece, but very warm about Obama, most recent on line. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506338/Barack-Obamas-stepmother-living-Bracknell-reveals-close-bond---mother.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jan 09 - 11:54 AM Kendall, everyone I speak to is relieved to see the back of The Shrub, and very hopeful for Barack Obama's continued success, and a great improvement in the fortunes of the USA (and therefore, by our association, of the UK also). As others have said, the Red Tops (of which the DM is one) are less about reporting the truth, and more about rabble-rousing. They never the truth get in the way of a good story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jan 09 - 12:00 PM let! They never let the truth...... Dyslexic fingers again! D'oh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 Jan 09 - 01:24 PM The Mail would shoot anyone who read a red-top. It's a blue top. In the UK blue=conservative=capitalist=right-wing, red=labour (or preferably old-labour)= socialist (not a term of abuse here)=left-wing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Stu Date: 29 Jan 09 - 01:37 PM The Mail is in insidious little rag, and it's best use is for cutting into squares and wiping your arse on. Obama has had a whole heap of positive press in the UK and hopes are high for him here. It's a real shame we don't have a politician that (appears at least) to have his strength of conviction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: bubblyrat Date: 29 Jan 09 - 01:45 PM I must say that B O seems like a decent chap ( regular guy) to me,and I hope that the enthusiasm attendant upon his inauguration proves to be well-founded, I really do.At least he seems to have grasped the fact that ALL (not just some !!) of your imports come from abroad, and,thankfully,he seems much less likely to involve Great Britain in any more costly,illegal,and un-winnable wars .Hopefully. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: GUEST,kendall Date: 29 Jan 09 - 02:26 PM Thanks to all. I well know the reputation of the Daily Mail being married to a Brit, and having spent quite a lot of time in the UK. I've never bought one of those rags, but I've sneaked a peek at someone elses copy. I just wanted something to rub my friend's nose in that comes directly from the source. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Rasener Date: 29 Jan 09 - 02:27 PM The expectations on Obama are very high. Lets give him a year, and see where he is then. He is not God and it concerns me that so many people seem to think that he can wave a magic wand and it will happen. I want to see what he does about Iran. They want an apology. Will Obama do that? If not, I don't see the world moving forward in possible harmony. The clock ticks .... I really want this guy to succeed and lets hope he does, for everybody's sake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Richard Bridge Date: 29 Jan 09 - 02:40 PM Insidious = harmful but enticing. Not sure about the "enticing" bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jan 09 - 04:26 PM How right you are Richard - I stand corrected! :-) But Blue or Red, it's still a pile o' shite that relies on the 'Lowest Common Denominator' approach to 'journalism' ('journalism' being a term used very loosely here). IMHO of course, and without wishing to offend DM readers (but very hopeful of offending DM editorial staff). :-) :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 29 Jan 09 - 05:05 PM ""The expectations on Obama are very high. Lets give him a year, and see where he is then. He is not God and it concerns me that so many people seem to think that he can wave a magic wand and it will happen."" If people DO have unrealistic hopes with regard to Barack Obama, all that proves is that they weren't LISTENING. He has made it very clear that the changes that are required will need both time and effort to bring about. But that they WILL happen. I am not at all hesitant in saying....I BELIEVE HIM! We have become so cynical about politicians, that we find it very difficult to have faith in anyone who stands for election, and difficult also to recognise the rarest of all phenomena, a sincere political leader. Whether Obama succeeds or fails, I am convinced he believes he is doing right by America, and the American people, and that'll do for me. I wish we had one like him over here. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jan 09 - 09:32 PM I may be putting myself in danger by saying this, but it seems UK Mudcatters have as high an opinion of Barack Obama, as we American liberals had of Tony Blair. Why things went sour for Blair, I don't really know - I sure hope they go better for Obama. -Joe- P.S. Kendall, I'm going to add to the thread title so people can easily tell what the thread's about. Hope you don't mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:12 AM Blair turned out to be a slightly paler Thatcher under the skin, but with an even greater proclivity to mendacity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obam From: Stu Date: 30 Jan 09 - 03:13 AM "Why things went sour for Blair, I don't really know - I sure hope they go better for Obama." Blair's unpopularity was of his own making, and things should go well for Obama if he proves to be as good as his word. Here's hoping he has more integrity and moral courage than Poodle Tony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Rasener Date: 30 Jan 09 - 03:22 AM Blair was more interested in getting his head up Bush's backside. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Jan 09 - 03:38 AM Getting back to Kendle's request, as I said The Mail (I do not subscribe but my school provides it) has been overwhelmingly pro Obama, and was very hostile to Bush and his Mid East and Afghan adventures, and our part in it. I will see if I can find an example from old copies. I used to dismiss the Mail, but I am warming to it. In fact I might be turning into Richard Littlejohn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: goatfell Date: 30 Jan 09 - 03:55 AM I feel sorry about him espically his intials BO or (Body odoer)so I hope that he doesn't stink, I thought that this thread was about Obama and not about the Daily Mail, which like all newpapers is full of crap. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Jan 09 - 04:07 AM Daily Mail 22nd Jan. 2 page spread, headline "Mr. President hits the ground running" He promised it would be ..... Yesterday (he) was as good as his word. His first move was to (Guantanamo stop trials and close) He then plunged in to the middle East peace processs with phone calls to ..... And for the first time he spoke out over the crisis in Gaza by pledging.... ....also asked his military leaders.....new mission....begin withdrawing... Last night he also .... top economic advisers...dealing with financial crisis.. That came as it emerged...was freezing the pay of about a hundred White House staff who make more than $100 000... |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Jan 09 - 04:11 AM Same issue, article by Stephen Glover (BO) is overflowing with honesty and integrity. He will refashion politics, and take America forward into the next stage of her history. He is favourably compared to....etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Jan 09 - 05:15 AM Mail today has a very positive piece about BO taking on Wall Street Bankers. Above critics of the paper were probably all against extending the period terror suspects could be held without trial. The Mail campaigned passionately against any extension. Also very anti ID cards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Ruth Archer Date: 30 Jan 09 - 05:53 AM Blair proved that he was untrustworthy, pompous, self-aggrandising, and that he had utter contempt for his electorate. Let's hope you guys get a better deal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: GUEST,Dean (Bristol) Date: 30 Jan 09 - 06:55 AM My biggest fear is if anything happens the president which is a possibilty, then we could be looking at a race war on the streets, not only in the US, but in the UK too. Where would it stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: jacqui.c Date: 30 Jan 09 - 07:41 AM I didn't like Blair from day one so it was no surprise to me when things went sour. I was just surprised at how long it took most people to see through him. I have liked Obama from the first time I saw him - then I suggested that he could be the next president, but Kendall didn't think that the American people would vote in a mixed race candidate. I'm glad that they did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obam From: Will Fly Date: 30 Jan 09 - 08:30 AM The initial euphoria that is created when a fresh, young face appears on the world scene is inevitable, I suppose. I was one who had genuine hopes that, when Blair was elected, Britain would become a radically different and better place. I didn't know very much about him but, as the lies, the sleaze, the empty promises, the power-hunger all appeared, I felt a huge sense of anger. Thatcher - for all I hated her - did at least have the guts to state where she stood and stuck to it. Blair turned into a two-faced creep. So - how will Obama fare? Who can say. At the moment - to return to the thread proper - the British public and most of the press seem to be solidly behind him. Let's just hope... |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obam From: wyrdolafr Date: 30 Jan 09 - 09:24 AM Richard Bridge wrote: "The Mail would shoot anyone who read a red-top. It's a blue top. In the UK blue=conservative=capitalist=right-wing, red=labour (or preferably old-labour)= socialist (not a term of abuse here)=left-wing". The term "red top" isn't really a politically-motivated term, but one describing a particular type of tabloid and refers more to the literal colour of the masthead than where the journalism appears on a political compass. The other colour distinction, which didn't really catch on, was the 'black top'. The Sun - classic red top material - often has very right of centre journalism and is a reactionary as the above mentioned Daily |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:14 AM Then there's The Daily Star and even the Daily Sport... |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: DougR Date: 31 Jan 09 - 09:16 AM Kendall: If you are looking for a fair and balanced look at the news, don't depend upon The Guardian. On the other hand, if you are looking for a newspaper that supports your individual point of view, The Guardian is YOUR best bet. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: kendall Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:55 PM Doug, I mentioned the Guardian as a 180 degree turn from that rag, the DM. I suppose you think Fox noise is fair and balanced? Sure it is, from right to far right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: kendall Date: 31 Jan 09 - 03:56 PM Joe, of course I don't mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Liz the Squeak Date: 01 Feb 09 - 06:13 AM From a British person who doesn't read any newspaper she has to pay for:~ My impression of President Obama is that he has hit the ground running and seems to be set on dragging the rest of the American government along with him. My opinion is that he couldn't really be worse than the last guy, and at least has a decent level of intelligence. Hopefully he will drag the US kicking and screaming into a more settled and less selfish period in her history. It is a final affirmation to all people of any origin, that it is the manner of man that counts, not the colour of his skin. Plus he's left handed which is always a plus in my book! (3rd Generation left hander and proud of it!) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Paul Burke Date: 01 Feb 09 - 06:19 AM I think we've allowed ourselves a bit of hope as far as Obama's concerned. Those of us on the left remember 1997 though, when the country voted decisively for a clean break from Tory policies, and got Blair and Brown instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: kendall Date: 01 Feb 09 - 06:59 AM Ok folks, that will wrap it up. I sent some of your comments to my right wing buddy and haven't heard from him since. |
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Subject: RE: BS: To all British catters-UK Opinions of Obama From: Rusty Dobro Date: 02 Feb 09 - 05:58 AM Just a thought before this thread dies: As I grew older I found myself becoming more and more spiteful, prejudiced, narrow-minded and grumpy. I had no time for young people (though I was convinced that any or all of them would suddenly perform mindless acts of violence on me without warning), and all foreigners were to be pitied for not being British, but at the same time mistrusted and despised. However, I instantly cured myself of all of this, and I'm back to being the sunny and rather wonderful person that I used to be. How did I work this magic? Simply by walking into the newsagent and saying, 'Please don't deliver the Daily Mail to my house any more!' |
