Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Easy Rider Date: 01 Jul 99 - 01:03 PM Funny: very VERY early Jerry Lewis & Dean Martin. The funniest movie of all time: "Some Like it Hot" Another funny movie: "The Inlaws". EZR |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Llanfair Date: 01 Jul 99 - 04:47 PM There seem to be at least two camps here, those that like slapstick, and those who don't. I'm much too empathic to laugh at someone slipping on a banana skin, so I miss out on a lot of humour. I hate Alan Partridge, 3 stooges, that sort of stuff, love Alec Guinness, the two Ronnies, Frasier, (and Niles) The Fast Show, Red Dwarf, and Friends. Hwyl, Bron. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: puzzled Date: 01 Jul 99 - 05:46 PM a friend of mine recently picked up a couple of early Bill Cosby albums at a garage sale. We still laughed alot when we listened to them. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Jul 99 - 06:27 PM No mention of "I'm sorry I'll read that again". No Goon SHow. No Michael Bentine. No Frankie Howerd. No Steptoe (not to my taste, but........ No original (not the US remake)of "Till death do us part". Aand that hilarious SF author where the Perverts come from Perv -etc, the "nother fine Myth seriies - gottit, Robert Asprin. No TW3. Some classics missing here! And I HATE "the Young ones". French and Saunders are boring. Ben Elton is a one-joke man. But the fat girl with the PMT jokes can be amusing. Lily Savage and Julian Clary can be funny - sometimes. Les Dawson and Jim Davidson can be politically incorrect - but watch the timing! It's masterful. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Jul 99 - 06:37 PM Prior to about 1970 I used to hear a lot of right wing humour at bluegrass bars (most bands still had a comedian of sorts, although the "blackface" and "nigger" jokes had all but run their course by the early sixties. I've heard radio transcripts from the 40s that would curl your hair. I think when we talk of "right wing" humour, and there not being much of it, we really mean a kind of upscale "rich vs. poor" type. 'It's just easier for poor people to make jokes about rich people..lots bigger audiences as well. On any Rush Limbaugh program you can hear absolutely brilliant parodies aimed at Democrats and Clinton specifically. Far better than the incredibly lame stuff that Mark Russell (ostensibly a democrat) does. Now my feeling is that it's all a total crock. One politician is very similar to another (and of course Rush and his ilk use the carefully crafted buzz words that really mean "Jews with money", and "blacks on welfare" in order not to seem blatantly racist) but my feeling is that if the writer has skills they can make you laugh no matter what side of the fence you're on. I've always been a lefty, but if I can't laugh at myself I'm in danger of becoming a dogmatic lefty. rick (har har) |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Mark Roffe Date: 01 Jul 99 - 07:30 PM I read Mel Brooks' definition of the difference between Tragedy and Comedy: "You fall down a manhole and break your neck - that's comedy. I get a hangnail - that's tragedy!" Bark Woof |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Captain Swing Date: 01 Jul 99 - 08:01 PM Vin Garbutt - see him in a small club. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Jeri Date: 01 Jul 99 - 08:40 PM Rick, I haven't seen too many current righties who are very adroit at humor. Either they aren't funny, or I get too pissed off at them to think they're amusing. But I'm sure there are some right wingers out there who think all lefties are sinister. Jeri (running like hell) |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Jul 99 - 08:58 PM Hey Bark Woof....Thanks for the SJ bio, and I should have mentioned him in my first post. All the writers associated with the Marx brothers were wonderfully witty, funny, intelligent people. BTW, Kaufman and Ryskind wrote "Animal Crackers." EVERYONE ELSE----WHAT A THREAD!!!--- love or hate, this is one hell of a litany of funny people. Like Rick, I keep wanting to go back and read/listen/watch all of them again. And I know that so many people would consider that a waste of time. Once again, here at Mudcat, I think we'd all understand. Perhaps we have a group perspective on the "important things" in life that differs from much of the world. Perhaps that's why we're all here in this folky old village. Not the same exactly, but I can't help but think of Oscar Levant's line, "So little time; nothing to do." catspaw
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 01 Jul 99 - 09:11 PM "The Party". |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Bert Date: 02 Jul 99 - 09:11 AM Richard Bridge, You're right. There's just too many that have been missed. I don't think we'll ever get them all. Here's a few more funny ones from the past that we have missed. Just from England there's.... Tommy Handley, Ted Ray, Jimmy Edwards, Arthur Askey, Max Wall, Max Bygraves, Tommy Trinder, Arthur English, Michael Bentine, Harry Secombe, Kenneth Horne, Kenneth Williams, Jon Pertwee, Richard Murdoch, and so on and so on. Bert. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Dan Date: 02 Jul 99 - 09:21 AM I don't know about funny, but Dick Van Dyke could fall better than anybody I've ever seen. As for funny movies, "My Cousin Vinny," "Arthur" and "Princess Bride" were knee-slappers. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: annamill Date: 02 Jul 99 - 09:38 AM Bert, I feel really out of it and I don't even know if I should feel stupid too. I didn't know one of those people you mentioned. :+| Are they authors, comedy writers,comedians? Sorry. And if they are all that funny, perhaps I'd like to become familiar with them. Love, annap |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Peter T. Date: 02 Jul 99 - 10:51 AM --seed, how could one forget The Wrong Trousers? I laugh myself sick every time I see it (that wonderful music! Feathers McGaw! Stop! Stop!) [turns off VCR]
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Bert Date: 02 Jul 99 - 11:35 AM Sorry Annap, Just showing my age there. They were for the most part stand up comedians from steam radio in England from the late Forties on. Those in the list that you should know are... Arthur English who was one of the janitors on 'Are you being served' He was the one with the cheeky grin, not the miserable one. Jon Pertwee was best known as the Third Dr Who. Jon Pertwee He was also one of "The Carry on" crowd. Michael Bentine was one of the Goons. Invented "The Bumblies" and he too was one of "The Carry on" crowd. Kenneth Williams is probable best known from "The Carry on" movies but did a lot of good stuff on his own. One of his "party pieces" was talking gibberish in many different languages. He would start talking and it sounded English but you couldn't understand a word of it; then while he was still talking, the gibberish would be French, the German, then Welsh, then Indian and so on. Sir Harry Secombe was also one of the Goons but kind of phased out his comedy act in favor of singing. He has a great voice. Bert. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: walrus Date: 02 Jul 99 - 12:09 PM Thanks for the memories, I started reading this thread and drifted of into a world of memories of BBC radio humour and Ealing comedies (some were dire but there was a rich vein of gold among the dross). Am I the only one here that thinks Rowan Atkinson's "Mr Bean" is about as funny as breaking your own legs with hammer? Walrus. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Bert Date: 02 Jul 99 - 12:47 PM I agree, I can't watch Mr Bean, it's dreadful. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rick Fielding Date: 02 Jul 99 - 07:44 PM Heather's dad (about 76 years old) came over from Glasgow to visit us, and being a considerate son-in law, I tried to talk "Scottish" at dinner. I said how much I loved Billy Connelly - just thought he was absolutely hilarious. Her father winced and said, "He's the filthiest man on the planet and is a disgrace to Scotland!" Oops! |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 02 Jul 99 - 08:05 PM Peter, glad you mentioned Catch 22. It simplifies my post if I can stick to non-fiction: I laughed myself sick flying across the Pacific while reading Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. The movie just made me sick. And then there's Angela's Ashes--laughing and crying at the same time. What a book! --seed |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: DonMeixner Date: 03 Jul 99 - 01:23 AM I can't think of many people who are funnier than Lionel Jeffries in almost any role I swa him in. Usually as a Bobby or a prison guard after Peter Sellars or as Budgie Potts in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. He made laugh out loud. I last saw him on a Lovejoy episode, still funny. Is he still alive.? Don |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Jul 99 - 02:05 AM Seed and Peter T..." That's a hell of a catch, that Catch 22!"..."It's the best there is!" And Tim J...I loved The Party. A bit dated with it's 60's ambiance, but Sellers was at his best."Birdie Num-nums." |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Craig Date: 03 Jul 99 - 03:18 PM Funny; Monte Python, P.D.Q. Bach (Peter Schickele), early Bill Cosby, Victor Borge, Buster Keaton, Red Skelton, Mel Brookes and his movies, The Carol Burnette Show, It Happened One Night,.... Unfunny; Lucille Ball, Jerry Lewis, Roseanne, most of the new stand up comics, Don Rickles,.... Craig |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rick Fielding Date: 03 Jul 99 - 04:51 PM Don, I remember Lionel Jeffries in a quaint little space picture. I think it was "From the Earth to The Moon". He was definitely the bright light in that. Good comic. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Don Meixner Date: 03 Jul 99 - 05:24 PM Rick, As Dr Cavor, inventor of Cavorite, an element which repels gravity. He was along with Edward Judd and Mary Ure. A favorite film of mine from my youth. I always felt he'd have made a fine Dr. Who. Don |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 03 Jul 99 - 05:51 PM Leej, a hell of a book: Orr's apple cheeks Milo Minderbinder's chocolate covered cotton Major Major Major Major Doc Daneeka "Yossarian, come quick! They're disappearing Dunbar." "Whaddaya mean, they're disappearing him. That's not even grammatical." (Uninformed writers have attributed the origin of that use of "disappeared" to everyone but Joseph Heller) "I yearn for you tragically. A. T. Tapman, Chaplain, USAAF." (see where I got it, Harpgirl?) Milo Minderbinder's contracting with the Germans to bomb Pianosa. (kind of like US oil companies providing fuel to both the Allies and the Germans) Lieutenant (later, General) Sheisskopf ("That shithead") and his desire to stop trainees from swinging their arms as they marched (despite his name he must have been Irish). I've gotta read it again--it's been too long. --seed |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 03 Jul 99 - 08:42 PM For me with Mr. Bean and the Three Stooges, I find some episodes quite funny and others not at all. The only Three Stooges episode I really liked was the one where they were plumbing a house. They were meant to appeal to little boys -- you will note how short they are or are made to appear compared to other adults in the show. I did like the Mr. Bean episode where he is doing his laundry. Laurel and Hardy, the silent short where they are building a house. That Charlie Chaplin skit where he is rollerskating and being chased by a big brute of a man. I must be a cruel man, because I rather like the old slapstick. Comes from the crowd I grew up with, I guess, because they would laugh heartily if one fell out of a tree or slipped on dog crap. Is it true what I am told that much of the Monty Python TV shows were parodies of well-known British television shows of the time? That may be why some of the humour is lost on people now, because they don't know the shows which were being parodied. I did like The Life of Brian. ("Blessed are the cheesemakers?") Fawlty Towers was excellent farce although I know a lot of people don't like farce. I liked the episode where they were unsuccessfully attempting to hide a dead body in various places around the hotel. I've rarely liked stand up comedy. Too forced. And what IS it with the French attraction to Jerry Lewis? |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rita64 Date: 04 Jul 99 - 12:23 AM Geoffrey Chaucer "The Miller's Tale" - v. funny. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rick Fielding Date: 04 Jul 99 - 12:28 AM Heather says that she hated Jerry Lewis but LOVED Norman Wisdom. Weren't they the same person? |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Peter T. Date: 04 Jul 99 - 11:16 AM --seed, you are right, it is too long. Summertime rereading! Let us not forget Chief HalfOat, surrounded by oil executives, and of course the famous trial scene:
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: The Shambles Date: 04 Jul 99 - 02:03 PM LEJ Is the "Magical Cooper" you refer to the wonderful Tommy Cooper? He used to wear a fez and his act was a magic act, where everything goes wrong. It was his timing, not the magic that was the act and his 'jokes' had long gone grey before they were written. Example: A man takes a chicken back to the butcher and says " this chicken has one leg shorter than the other. The butcher replies "what do you want to do, eat it, or dance with it"? There was a story about how his humour did not travel well to the US..... He was doing a week in Las Vegas and after the management had watched his act for the first three days, they approached him, a little worriedly and said to him "Mr Cooper, we have been watching your act and we really think that you should rehearse a little more"....... Generally I think it is a little unfair to put people into funny or unfunny as it is a hit and miss process and funny people are capable of being very unfunny. Whether unfunny ones can be funny, I'm not too sure. Monty Python is a good example, at it's best it was inspired, but in could be dire. It probably depends on how high their sights are set. 'The Life Of Brian' is Monty Python's finest moment as it is less patchy, than their other work. Steve Martin always works for me and Parenthood, contains some of his best work. The scene where the lights go back on, just as the words, " I've found the flashlight" are said, as he is seen to be holding the host's vibrator. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Emmie Date: 04 Jul 99 - 03:20 PM At the moment Bill Bryson is making me laugh a lot. I am re-reading all his books. I really like silly dancing as well. Anything that has silly dancing in it makes me laugh hysterically. For example Laurel and Hardy did sone brilliant routines, The marx brothers. I love the dance routines that the characters do in the wizard of oz.One of my favourite comedy films of all time is"the producers" I love that line "look at me I'm so poor I'm wearing a cardboard belt!" Emmie |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Date: 04 Jul 99 - 03:22 PM Fair Youngmaid, Ah yes, how could we have got this far without mentioning Chaucer? Also The Carpenter's tale, and I love the Wife of Bath's Prologue. Bert |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 04 Jul 99 - 08:06 PM Well, if we are on to books and plays. I liked the Tudor play Royster Doyster, although it is probably too gross and slapstickish for most people's tastes. The Victorians despised it. I think the insult "thou shitten knave!" be revived. I've never found Shakespeare's clowns to be very funny at all, although I find Falstaff very funny indeed if acted by the right person. James Boswell is hilarious, although he didn't mean to be. His London Journal has to be amongst the best in journals in English and a masterpiece of unintentional humour. His other journals have their great moments of unintentional humour, especially those relating his love affairs on the continent, but none so good as the young Boswell. Pepys could be funny in the same way, especially in his relations of his domestic problems and of the time he found his cellar flooded with turds, but he was too much of a fuddy duddy to be as funny as Boswell. I have only read the Victorian edited version, although I understand a full version is now out containing the racy bits the Victorians cut out. (It also contains an excellent first hand account of the Great Fire of London, and of Pepys encountering a distracted and nearly mad Lord Mayor in the midst of the confusion.) Diary of A Nobody is funny too. I liked the first Adrian Mole book.
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Rick Fielding Date: 05 Jul 99 - 02:10 AM When Pepys buys a harp, gives it to his wife as a gift, then quickly despairs when she can't learn, and places it in HIS music room (which he'd planned all along) I laughed hysterically. Times may change, but people don't! rick |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Jul 99 - 10:23 AM Has anyone mentioned the Far Side? Talk about out there. My favourite is the two Kangaroos bounding along, one giving the other a dirty look and the caption read "All you have to do is jump, you don't have to go 'Boing, Boing, Boing." I am so sorry that Gary Larson has retired, what a comedic mind!! It was nice to be reminded of Dave Allen, he had great delivery and his merciless rips at the church floored me. Father Ted cracked me up too. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Peter T. Date: 05 Jul 99 - 10:45 AM Thurber: -- "Perhaps This Will Refresh Your Memory!" "I was going to say, 'The Hounds of Spring Are on Winter's Traces', but let it pass, let it pass." "She Has the True Emily Dickinson Spirit, except she gets fed up occasionally." |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Steve Latimer Date: 05 Jul 99 - 02:25 PM How about those swingers from Bedrock, Fred and Barney, Wilma and Betty? Dash Riprock, Cary Granite, Ann Margrock, 88 Fingers Louie and many others made for wonderful parody. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: LEJ Date: 05 Jul 99 - 02:39 PM Yes, Shambles, I was talking about Tommy Cooper. Lion and I watched some old video tape of him last night, and again she was cracking up while I tried to decipher what he was saying. Ogden Nash wrote some great funny poetry. My favorite concerned the habit of American Tourists who refuse to pronounce foreign place names correctly. He describes a couple who are touring Germany, and when they stop to ask a farmer where the Autobahn is, they "walked away with a beautiful Audubon, previously unknown." |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 05 Jul 99 - 06:55 PM Yes, Rick, I'm surprised that no-one has made a movie out of Pepys's Diaries or Boswell's Journals. Hollywood would be bound to screw it up though. It would never catch the essence of unintentional humour any more than it caught the irony and satire in "Barry Lyndon", or "Bonfire of the Vanities" for that matter. (Pity about the former too because it was done by a great director.) I think Boswell and Pepys would have to be "done English by the English" to be done right. I give you an example of something I will dread to see. Hollywood is making a movie of Annie Proulx's very good book The Shipping News. Not only is the main role being taken by John Travolta, but it is being filmed in Maine rather than in Newfoundland where the book is set. Ouch! (One wonders why they didn't instead film her collection of short stories set in New England.) Presumably Americans would have too hard a time understanding Newfoundland accents or comprehending Newfoundland scenery, but then again how often do you hear real regional accents in American films other than a few stock New Yorkers or southerners? I see films set in the Midwest and the people in them talk like Californians or even Canadians. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Mark Roffe Date: 06 Jul 99 - 10:07 AM Columnist Dave Barry. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Penny S Date: 06 Jul 99 - 10:12 AM Would not Boswell have to be done by the Scots? |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Steve Latimer Date: 06 Jul 99 - 10:15 AM How about the late Francis Vincent Zappa? Hey there brother, who you jivin' with that Kozmik Debris? I saw the Austin Powers last night. What a juvenile work, slapstick, corny, predictable. I can't remember the last time that I giggled so much in theatre though.
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: DonMeixner Date: 06 Jul 99 - 11:30 PM I seem to recall a PBS Costumer about Boswell and Johnson some years back. I recall I howled and my kids thot I was nuts. Funny: I've been listening to "I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again, Again", again on PBS Radio. very funny. I howl and my kids who are now much older still think I'm nuts. Don |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Songbob Date: 07 Jul 99 - 05:03 PM Great thread! I can remember howling while reading the Goon Show scripts, never mind hearing the shows themselves. I, too, find some of the aforementioned people either funny, unfunny, or occasionally one or the other. Some of this is nostalgia, too -- you remember fondly what you laughed at at important times in your lives, and even remember punch lines: [God:] Noah! [Noah:] Yes, Lord? [God:] How long can you tread water? One I haven't seen mentioned here is a series of Radio Luxembourg shows called "The Land of a Thousand [sound effect of breaking glass]" which I heard on tape at a friend's house long long ago. Anybody know more about this show? Skit comedy of a Goonish/Pythonish variety, with hilarious scenes, most of which I can't remember. Some of you have mentioned Rosie O'Donnell, whose comedy career has thankfully been channelled into a pretty good talk show (as talks shows go, that is). Can't remember her stand-up act, but there isn't much good in stand-up these days, anyway ("Bobcat" Goldthwaite, anyone?). Only good stand-up I've seen in a while, and it was a couple years ago at that, was a guy whose name I forget who said, "I've only got a few minutes to do my act, so I'll just tell the punch lines," and proceeded to reel off a series of lines to well-known but funny jokes, one after the other, so that your memory filled in the rest, and I at least was reduced to tears by jokes that he wasn't even telling. Brilliant! Ernie Kovacs once broke me up by following a commercial with a send-up of a commercial. In those days, only one commercial at a time was aired, so when one finished and I thought another was being started, I began to get mad -- then, pow! the pie in the model's face! The timing of it, and Kovacs' knowledge that the audience would have the same "start to get mad" reaction I did, made that joke work. Timing. That's it. I once saw a Laurel & Hardy movie dubbed in German, and still remember one scene. The boys were in a waiting room, a labour exchange, waiting for work. There'd be a call, and Oliver Hardy would get up to go to the window. Every time, he'd fall over their bags, which Stan had carefully moved to just the wrong place. Every time, Olly would set the bags out of the way, go to the window, and then return to the bench. After three times, the camera did NOT follow Ollie as he started to the window, but remained on Stan's face. When Ollie fell, again, over the bags, Stan looked off-screen with a pitying look of "not again!" The camera not following Ollie was the payoff, that and Stan's face. Well, I gotta go. I'm funny myself, but looks aren't everything. Bob Clayton |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Steve Latimer Date: 08 Jul 99 - 01:50 PM Songbob, Wasn't the Noah skit hilarious? [God:] Noah, this is God speaking [Noah:] Right. I loved his early stuff, Hoftsra, Chickenheart. But I can't even look at the man today, he seems so self consumed and above everyone else. What a shame he was such a funny man. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Uilleand Date: 08 Jul 99 - 02:35 PM South Park - rude, crude, and socially unacceptable, but funny as hell. |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: annamill Date: 08 Jul 99 - 02:39 PM Uilleand, sshhh..me too! shhh I'm even going to see the movie.. me |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: Matthew B. Date: 08 Jul 99 - 02:52 PM Oh, anna. How could you? ((sniff)) |
Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: annamill Date: 08 Jul 99 - 02:57 PM Matthew, I'm sorry...just remember..No matter where you are, there you are. It's my little known, secret, dark side. (I love Kyle and Carpman and Kenny) I'm so ashamed...
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Subject: RE: Who's funny? Who's Not? From: GUEST,Joshua of the Shoe Date: 12 Mar 00 - 01:30 AM Really funny, A confederacy of dunces by John Kennedy Toole, as well as anything ever written by George Feydeau (easily the greatest comic playwright france has ever produced, hell of a lot funnier than Moliere. Fred Allen is always great for a laugh it's a shame he's so hard to come by these days. Unfunny:Jerry Seinfeld, Joseph Heller. |
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