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Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?

katlaughing 22 Mar 09 - 11:45 PM
Joe Offer 23 Mar 09 - 12:57 AM
Joe Offer 23 Mar 09 - 07:07 PM
RTim 23 Mar 09 - 07:31 PM
Joe Offer 23 Mar 09 - 08:29 PM
katlaughing 23 Mar 09 - 10:11 PM
wysiwyg 23 Mar 09 - 11:07 PM
Joe Offer 24 Mar 09 - 01:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 24 Mar 09 - 06:15 AM
Rowan 24 Mar 09 - 06:05 PM
Joe Offer 24 Mar 09 - 06:38 PM
Susanne (skw) 24 Mar 09 - 07:32 PM
katlaughing 24 Mar 09 - 07:39 PM
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Subject: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Posting
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 09 - 11:45 PM

HeyaMax, if you see this: Rowan posted this in Malcolm's obit thread


Because of the detail he contributed and also the way he drew together the relevant postings from diverse threads I think it important that newcomers have their attention drawn to his contributions. Perhaps via a Permathread. Some may see this as a memorial but I suggest it as a valuable resource.


I think it is a great idea and should include links to Malcolm's postings as well as Rick Fielding, Bruce O and any other important music-related Memorial Treasures...only maybe call if something else. Not sure if it should include links for only those we have lost, or include some of the still with us, too, such as Art Thieme and Jean Ritchie.

What do the rest of you think? And, thanks, Rowan, for the idea!

kat


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 12:57 AM

I can't picture an edited PermaThread for something like that, but I do think it's a good idea to post a link in the obituary thread to the person's posts - that's been done in most of the Mudcat obituaries.

Of course, anyone is free to start a memorial thread, if that's what they want to do. If people want to establish an edited PermaThead for information that needs to be managed or updated, they should contact me. You'll find examples of PermaThreads in the PermaThread Index on the Site Map page.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 07:07 PM

Somebody suggested that I should change the name of Mudcatters who have died, adding RIP and the date of death. That way, we'd have a memorial every time we came across the person's name.
What think ye?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: RTim
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 07:31 PM

It has crossed my mind that some people may not come upon any of Malcolm's posting - UNLESS they look at a tread he contributed to, and that I believe is the ONLY current way of looking at the other threads he wrote about.

I may be useful to be able to enter any Mudcatters name, and see what they have written about in the past?

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 08:29 PM

Hi, Tim -
Malcolm's last post was 11 March, 2009; and he died just ll days later. You can click on his name in any message he posted and this list of all his 8,941 posts (click) will come up. You can also find a person's posts by using the Old Advanced Forum Search in our QuickLinks dropdown menu. There are lots of search tips toward the top of the FAQ/Newcomer's Guide.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 10:11 PM

Joe, you might want to check your first link. It leads to one posting only from 1999 and from just a "Malcolm." Not sure if that was him or not.
    Hmmmm. It shoulda worked - I checked it just now and it looked ok, but didn't work for me, either. I put his name as Malcolm+Douglas, and now it will work for sure. Thanks for catching that.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 11:07 PM

Somebody suggested that I should change the name of Mudcatters who have died, adding RIP and the date of death. That way, we'd have a memorial every time we came across the person's name.
What think ye?

-Joe-


Do you mean, change it so all their old posts give that RIP'd membername? It feels off to me. I'm thinking of Giac, for instance. She was a good friend and I do not like to speak for her, but she s nt here to speak for herself so I will offer what I think she would say. I think she would say she preferred to be remembered just as Giac. What maybe could change, tho, if it can be done, is instead of "PM" as a link next to the poster's name, "RIP" as a link to a page explaining that it indicates a Catter who has passed.

And then someone is gonna be offended that their best, departed friend's death is not noticed that way, or offended if it is. So I think it's a can of worms, actually. If it's done retroactively to or for or about people not able to say what they would prefer.


If you do it as a from-now-on thing to apply to people here now, as they pass, that's different, but to apply it backwards seems off, pastorally thinking.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 01:33 AM

Some of the same misgivings I have, Susan. I usually delete memberships when I know the person has died. There's still a "PM" link after the poster's name in the threads, but it leads to a message that says the membership is inactive.

-joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:15 AM

I bet Max could fix it so the pm still got through.


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Rowan
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:05 PM

When I made the suggestion I was responding to very sad news; even though the only personal aspect was via observations of Malcolm's postings (and a few interactions with him) via Mudcat. I thank Kat for taking it seriously enough to warrant a thread on the topic more generally. I hadn't noticed postings by Rick Fielding or Bruce O; perhaps I joined Mudcat too late or was engaged in different genres and there may well be others of whom I am yet unaware.

I apologise to Joe for not making the original suggestion about a Permathread directly to him via a PM but plead the sadness of the news as "extenuating and mitigating circumstances"; sorry, cobber.

But, now that the topic has been dignified by its own thread and Joe is actively engaged with it, I hope my further comments can be considered.

I am aware of Permathreads and Joe has been kind enough to suggest a topic for one that he thinks I could conduct; I am trying to get the spare time to do it properly before I even start. Keeping to the suggestion about the current topic I'd like to make the following comments.

I use the Old Advanced Forum Search and have found it successful on some occasions. Joe had much better success than I, when we were discussing (via PMs) some possibilities on another topic. Perhaps the search routines I used lost some of their power while crossing the Pacific, while his had all their considerable powers preserved. :)

I have used the ability to click on a person's Mudcat name and see the list of their postings and thus know I could get at their content; I wasn't aware though, that I could create a clickable link to them the way Stilly River Sage did to Malcolm's as the third post in the Obit thread. While this link could achieve much of what I suggested originally, it goes off the page until and unless someone posts to that Obit thread, effectively 'camouflaging' access to Malcolm's scholarship except for those already in the know.

It has occurred to me that, while I have some little knowledge of Mudcat and various search techniques, there are others who have even less. I had thought a Permathread might make the access easier. To avoid any sense of "Memorialising" (although I think it worthwhile to memorialise 'catters who've made considerable contributions to Mudcat's community) I wonder if the Permathread's title could be something like

"Scholarly contributions" ; others might have better suggestions.

It might, as I think Joe implied, be a rather short thread for quite a while yet. Its first post would be from the moderator and would carry a short description of why it's there and its value to newcomers and others. Subsequent posts would individually state, briefly, who the member is (or was), why their posts have been made accessible via a Permathread and links to their lists of postings and threads about them. On the basis of Kat's suggestion, such a Permathread might have only half a dozen posts in it, currently, and (hopefully) not be added to via Obit threads too rapidly.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:38 PM

Hi, Rowan-
I think I get the idea now, and it does sound like a workable project - maybe a Mudcatter Memorial PermaThread, limited to one message per person, including a brief statement about the person, a link to his/her posts and obituary, and links to anything else pertinent.
If you'd like to set it up and manage it, let me know.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 07:32 PM

I'd feel the same as Susan about changing a Mudcatter's Mudcat name. But the concept for a Mudcatter Memorial PermaThread sounds quite good to me if we leave the decision on who to include solely to the person responsible. I like even better the idea of a PermaThread for making bodies of particularly scholarly or informative contributions of individual Mudcatters easier to find, regardless of whether or not they are still with us. If Rowan or anybody else would be prepared to take on the task I for one would be grateful to them.


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 07:39 PM

Rowan, my apologies for running with this and not PMing you about it. My intentions were good.:-)

I agree with what Rowan has written and suggested.

I also agree with what Susanne(skw) said "I like even better the idea of a PermaThread for making bodies of particularly scholarly or informative contributions of individual Mudcatters easier to find, regardless of whether or not they are still with us."

A Memorial Permathread with one posting per person and a link to their contributions could be quite significant, imo, for those who come here to study, etc. A quick, easy way for them to find stuff. Though, one thing I don't like...permathreads are not that easy to find, either, unless someone knows what they are and where to look.

While we're tinkering or suggesting tinkering, I'd like to see a clickable list of permathreads somewhere on the main page, maybe even up top with the other links or in the Quick Links, which would then lead to a page of permathreads listed.


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 07:40 PM

I agree with the idea of Rowan to moderate such a thread, but you must all expect, based on the PMs I have received, excessive reasonableness tempered with large doses of thoughtfulness.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 08:00 PM

Yeah, it's a problem to figure out a way to call attention to the PermaThreads. Right at the top of the list of threads is a dropdown menu with just three items: the FAQ, the Site Map and PermaThread Index, and the "What's On" PermaThread. It's right in front of us, but doubt that many people have looked at that dropdown menu, or at the QuickLinks dropdown menu.
There's limited space on the Forum Menu page, so it's hard to figure how to call attention to these resources. Maybe I'll add it to the Mudcat news, so it shows up occasionally in the yellow news box.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:38 PM

Maybe in the tiny links at the head of a thread when opened? Where the Sort descending etc are?


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:13 PM

Dang, that was fast, Joe! Very noticeable in the yellow news box.


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Max
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:47 PM

Something to think about. I think it is important to note somewhere. Eventually you all will be dead, and I wouldn't want an alive user to try to PM you. I haven't got the link to heaven working quite right yet.

I don't like the RIP bit either. Though if I could add a tag such that any time someone clicked the PM link of a deceased member, then they would get the memorial notice and links to their posts. I can see a grandson finding his grandfather's long lost stories in those posts someday.

Joe, I added status #5 as deceased to the member profiler. That should be enough for me to redirect the PM link.

Let me know what you think.


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:56 PM

I haven't got the link to heaven working quite right yet.

Well, get crackin', willya? Sheesh! There's a bunch of us who'd like to mainline Rick Fielding for starters.:-)

(I hope my grandson, Morgan, will continue his connection with Mudcat and look up his "mama" sometime. He does have one thread of his own, started recently.:-)


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Rowan
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:01 PM

OK; thanks for your vote(s) of confidence.

It looks like I'm volunteering to get such a Permathread going as its moderator. I'll PM Joe for his advice on the technicalities. I think I can muster much of the excessive reasonableness tempered with large doses of thoughtfulness recommended by Susan but it's quite likely I'll need some assistance to acquire the knowledge of others (such as Kat) about the likes of Rick Fielding, Bruce O and the others that people have mentioned.

My understanding, so far, is that there is explicit support for a Permathread concentrating on "demonstrated scholarship' regarding postings on music and lore and implied (but not yet clearly expressed) support for dealing with the 'memorialising' aspect of deceased members who have helped take the Mudcat community ever closer to what it aspires to be. I reckon I can get my head around what is required for the scholarship thread but I suspect I am still too much of a newbie to be 'competent' (let alone 'masterful') about the second.

To keep the current thread succinct and on the topic of 'desirability' of such approaches to Mudcat's deceased members, I suggest that those of you who wish to offer me detailed advice on a scholarship thread do so via PMs in the first instance, although I expect it's a topic that will still bear quite a bit of public discussion on the current thread.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Permathread of Memorable Passing/Postings?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:30 PM

Max and Joe,
GOOD GOING!!!

I just got a PM from Utah...

Art


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