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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 May 09 - 05:23 PM ""and I know that my views are supported by the vast majority of the British public""......DMR! Now THAT is cloud cuckoo land! If the VAST MAJORITY of the British public support your views, how come the BNP Party's MPs total PRECISELY ZERO? Think before you reply, if you CAN think. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 May 09 - 05:11 PM ""I know they are decent people, and I know that my views are supported by the vast majority of the British public and the Lord Jesus Christ himself."" DMR, I would NOT advise you to let those "decent" people hear you invoking the support of J. C. Given that HE was a Jew, that would probably get you a good kicking from Nick & Co. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Brian Date: 21 May 09 - 05:06 PM Cllr chose not to identify her here and therefore disguss the matter in confidence, that should have been respected. The breach of that confidence is what I find shameful. I did not comment on my feels towards her standing on that particular ticket (thats my business), or how she feels about it (that is hers). |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Paul Burke Date: 21 May 09 - 04:53 PM Hasn't she "broken her anonymity" by standing? I'm glad you think it's something shameful, and your hint that she does too is perhaps promising. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Brian Date: 21 May 09 - 04:48 PM I do not and would never support the BNP, but I do know the person concerned (altough not well). Unlike others I will not shun or sever all contact with them. I also know, like and respect Mike (Cllr) and won't fall out with him for the choice he has made. In his opening post he made it totally clear that he would not identify the person by name, gender, or Constituency, and that their identity was not the reason for this thread. I am therefore digusted that others with their own political axe to grind chose to breach that anonimity. Shameful, utterly shameful! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,lox Date: 21 May 09 - 04:29 PM "why can't you say that you're black or brown and be honest" This comment implies that Rifleman is dishonest for not saying what you think he should have said. That is whay I posted above as I did. Am I wrong to read it that way? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,lox Date: 21 May 09 - 04:26 PM Goatfell, How someone chooses to descrbe their appearance is their business. It is also not an essential bit of information as far as this discussion goes, having obviously been directed specifically at the daily mail reader to let him know that he is not only talking to white people on this website. So your curiosity has no grounds by any means to extend to the apparent outrage you sem to be expressing. And Riflemans unwillingness to say has no bearing on his character or courage. In fact, the only reason he has mentioned his colour at all has been in response to Daily Mail Readers apparent support of the BNP. The BNP is Anti non-white without being specific. Rifleman is saying that he is non-white without being specific. The rest is irrelevant detail. Besides which, in the society that I aspire to, there would be no need to mention any aspect of his skin colour or yours or mine or anyone elses so he is right not to feel any responsibility to inform anyone of his skin colour, any more than he has a responsibility to show his papers on demand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Leadfingers Date: 21 May 09 - 03:28 PM IF there is a BNP member standing in YOUR Area , as stated above , NOT Voting will get them higher up the proportional scale ! So if you dont want to vote for Conservative or neo Conservative(New Labour) , try Lib Dems or Green , or Independant ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 03:07 PM thank you got the message |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: artbrooks Date: 21 May 09 - 01:43 PM Goatfell - I was agreeing with you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 01:14 PM i never said i was white I said I was kind of white read the post first and then commit about please |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: artbrooks Date: 21 May 09 - 12:55 PM Put your hand against a piece of plain blank paper. Is it the same color? No? Guess what - you aren't white. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 12:50 PM why can't you say that you're black or brown and be honest, I'm a kind of white colour so I'm as the pc brigade would say I'm non black/brown in colour |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 12:45 PM what colour are you then blue that is non white and so is pink yellow the list is endless |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 21 May 09 - 11:30 AM GUEST,Daily Mail reader aka Alan Meade. Wind up merchant extraordinaire and beneath contempt. This from a non-white who wouldn't in to your cosy "British" way of life |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 08:31 AM there are people that read the daily mail who againest the BNP so maybe these ones are just talking crap when they mention the daily mail, because they don't read it don't tar everyone that buys the papaer with the same brush get yer facts right first before you start accussing them |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 21 May 09 - 08:03 AM So how do you think the BNP will do in the June elections ? lose seats or gain seats ? I look forward to taking up this subject with you in a few weeks time. See you then. God bless and take care. Best of British to you all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 21 May 09 - 07:50 AM If you do not want to support the main parties, then make sure that the other minority parties get enough votes so that they are above the BNP in the allocation list. For the sake of humanity - vote, know who you are voting for, what they really stand for, and why you are voting for them. If BNP still get seats, then we will know that there is a big problem with racism and neonaziism growing. If you are going to make a protest vote - don't waste it on the BNP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 May 09 - 07:44 AM The Daily Mail is actually very hostile to BNP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: TheSnail Date: 21 May 09 - 07:27 AM Perhaps we should give some free publicity to some of the BNP's senior officers, for instance Mark Collett and Dave Hannam. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Richard Bridge Date: 21 May 09 - 07:04 AM Oh I know what I'm doing. Voting. I'm very very clear on which is the lesser of the weevils. Daily Mail Reader (now there's a contradiction in terms), if you couldn't read the rest of my post, I gave examples of why the behaviour of the seig heil brigade was contemptible, and if you didn't understand that you too are part of the problem. Fred, remember the introduction to "National Brotherhood Week?" Don't worry, DMR, you won't know it, it was written by a smart-mouth Jew professor (note to civilised people here, this is irony, not a statement of my own beliefs about said author). |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Fred McCormick Date: 21 May 09 - 06:23 AM Joe Offer. "I believe wholeheartedly that all people have a fundamental right to immigrate to safe places where they can find housing and employment - especially if their home lands have been affected by imperialism." Hear, hear, bleepin' well hear hear! One day the human race will come to regard all the other members of the human race as thinking, sensate, emotive people, and we laugh and cry and feel joy and pain precisely because we are human. We are not wogs or packies or yids or Brits or illegal immigrants or factory fodder or targets to be shot at on a battlefield. One world. One people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 21 May 09 - 05:51 AM I feel Britain will once again become agreat country enjoying the British way of life Not arf! Roll on the day when we can start getting serious about: Getting steaming drunk on Euro-lager, then going off for a Balti and taking the piss out of the Bengali staff before being sick in the back of a Somali taxi on the way home, Or chucking bricks through the windows of Jewish shops and kicking over some gravestones in a Jewish cemetery, Or putting up signs saying "no blacks, no Irish" in your window and telling your kids that 'foreigners' are dirty, Or cheerfully calling someone a nigger, coon or piccaninny without those pinko PC scumbags getting on your case, Or believing the tripe that's written in the Daily Mail... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Cats Date: 21 May 09 - 05:50 AM It's time for me to get on my soap box again! My grandmother was imprisoned for her work as a suffragette, force fed, became part of the Cat and Mouse Act 'catch 22' situation so that women and working class men had the right to vote. It is now time for the grandchildren of those gallant and courageous women to pick where they left off and Use the vote they won for us. On election day, if for no other reason than to remember what they gave up for us and to honour their memory, go and use your vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: fiddler Date: 21 May 09 - 05:38 AM Britain is a great country and should celebrate it's multi-culturalism proudly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 21 May 09 - 05:36 AM People have the right to vote as they please and people should respect and accept the result. I feel Britain will once again become agreat country enjoying the British way of life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Joe Offer Date: 21 May 09 - 05:07 AM We have the same thing here in California - Xenophobe vigilantes who take it upon themselves to fortify the Mexican border to protect us from the "browning of America." They make me sick, and the fact that they're constantly gaining power is frightening. In the other thread, I mentioned that Micca and I had encountered a BNP supporter on a bus in London. He was drunk, and Micca said he sounded like a Scotsman. He went to every passenger on the bus, demanding to see each person's citizenship papers, complaining how all those "foreigners" didn't belong there. Since I was one of the few people on the bus with a light complexion, he came to me looking for sympathy. I told him, "I'm not a citizen of your country, sir; and I certainly don't agree with you." Daily Mail Reader, is that my comment from the other thread that you're referring to? I think we need to recognize that we are all immigrants, that we have what we have because we happen to be lucky - so we have a moral obligation to share with those who have less. Most of the "immigrants" I saw in England, came from lands that had been part of the British Empire. Their immigration is very much a result of British Imperialism. I am of European ancestry and live in California, a land that once belonged to Mexico until it was taken over as a result of American imperialism. I think it's appalling that so many Americans, descendants of immigants themselves, have the gall to complain about Mexicans immigrating to a land that once was part of Mexico. I believe wholeheartedly that all people have a fundamental right to immigrate to safe places where they can find housing and employment - especially if their home lands have been affected by imperialism. Wouldn't you agree, Daily Mail Reader? -Joe Offer, Colfax, California- |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: mandotim Date: 21 May 09 - 04:59 AM Pastor Niemoller's famous quote (his own preferred version) "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew; And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up." Proportional representation allows the BNP access to funding if they win seats. Not voting at all will help their cause tremendously. Time to speak up. Tim |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,lox Date: 21 May 09 - 04:49 AM Folks. Listen up. Daily Mail Reader has made a fundamental point which we should pay attention to. There is an election coming up for the european parliament and the BNP stands to do well in them. Why? 2 reasons. 1. Proportional representation in EU elections means that they they don't need to have a masive turnout to win representation in the european parliament. 2. Everyonee is so dissillusioned by the thought of Brown, Darling et al, and so nauseated by the thought of Cameron Osborne et al, that they people are saying they won't vote. There may be some salt in the jelly and some mustard in the ice cream, but either of them is better than being force fed BNP cake because you didn't choose when you had the chance. So Daily Mail Reader is right to ask - are you going to vote or are you going to stamp your feet afterwards? The activist is not the one who points out that the river is dirty, but the one who cleans it up. Vote - and keep them out of power. And tell your friends to vote and to pass it on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: TheSnail Date: 21 May 09 - 04:46 AM It look as as if Daily Mail Reader needs to catch up on their reading. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 21 May 09 - 04:41 AM The post above is a fine example of that Joe Offer spoke about on the other thread. Unfortunately these sort of dispicable comments is what can be expected from the like of this Bridge person as it becomes ever clearer that BNP are winning hearts and minds all over the Country,expect a lot more of it too as polling day gets ever closer,the opposition here are getting more and more worried. I feel sorry for you Mr. Bridge, this election will prove to be one bridge too far for you I feel. Accept the result and be a good boy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Richard Bridge Date: 21 May 09 - 04:29 AM There is a person with whom I am acquainted who used to attend a folk ale to which I go. Recently (ish) she has developed a relationship with a piece of scum on legs, and has even canvassed and stood for the BNP. The scum and its spawn came very close to wrecking the folk ale - Mercedes with doors open and wireless blaring Metallica, homophobic remarks to a gay friend of mine, "Well you're all just a bunch of dids aren't you?" to a Romany participant (who scored well with the reply "When you can tell me what it means it may be worth discussing it with you"). I can't separate that behaviour from the person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 21 May 09 - 04:08 AM My sister and nephew are both racists I hate the racsisim but I love my sister and nephew |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Smedley Date: 21 May 09 - 03:48 AM And I forgt to say - this person has chosen to end the friendship, not you, by aligning herself with such despicable views. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: mandotim Date: 21 May 09 - 03:46 AM Mike; as one who is politically poles apart from you, I am standing here mentally applauding your courage. First to share this dreadful dilemma publically, and secondly to follow a moral course of action when deciding questions of politics. Bravo; you have 100% support from me. Tim |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Smedley Date: 21 May 09 - 03:44 AM Am I misreading the link - that constituency has a BNP candidate but their name is male. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 21 May 09 - 03:40 AM Thanks for that, Andy. I have to say I'm surprised and disappointed - though the music world is a broad church, so I suppose it shouldn't come as a huge surprise to see all extremes reflected there. Saddening, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: fiddler Date: 21 May 09 - 03:26 AM Hello all, I love the humour here as well as the serious comments, though it is a very serious subject. First let me say he is a she and has emailed me to say "Not keeping it quiet but would rather keep political discussions private." So why stand for public office? As many of the newspapers in UK have - in some, but not all cases quite rightly - shown no aspect of your life from call girls (or boys) to political expenses are private once you are in public office or standing for such in an election. I have watched quietly and will try to remain so - I have lost a friend - hopefully only temporarily - and I don't mean only until after she is not elected - for that I am sad. I hope she is not elected it would be a sad reflection on the town of Chippenham. I am however equally concerned that the post that appeared here yesterday naming her has been censored. Joe or your operatives - sorry - this is public knowledge and is available in Chippenham as anywhere in UK on the council web site. I think you were wrong on that one - sorry. http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/council/elections/electioncandidates09/electioncandidatedetails.htm?division=chippenhamcepenparkandredlands Andy
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 20 May 09 - 09:16 PM Offer him the choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 May 09 - 09:15 PM I have it! The brilliance of the small hours! Let's send them back where they came from. Of course, if, when we trace all the parents and grandparents and great-grandparents etc it turns out that some of the forbears came from different countries (as the odds seem to be) we'll have to cut them up into bits to make sure the right bits go back to the right places. But that would be fair, wouldn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: wysiwyg Date: 20 May 09 - 08:28 PM I disagree Susan. I'm with you on the point of continuing to see someone as your friend and yet staying true to your beliefs, but I disagree completely about saying nothing. If they are standing as a political candidate then they need to get used to being accountable. That starts with friends. The thing is, someone who is rigid-minded will not hear a thing said against their position until they are ready to hear it. THAT is when a good friend can stand in firm support--- when the wrongminded one looks for a place to turn toward as they turn away from the bad decisions they have made.... if one remains in communication on "safer" fronts until that time comes, one can accomplish quite a lot. (We do it all the time with our children, don't we, to keep the door open to a better day?) See, I think the "candidate" will have more than enough attacks against their position to reinforce and entrench that position. A friend can sometimes work more "sense" by just staying away from that tack and quietly being the excellent person they already are. See? It's not an easy path, but it's an available one. Sometimes love is the stronger vehicle to reach a wayward heart. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:38 PM Do you have a vote in the June election Don ? Do you accept election results or do you huff ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 May 09 - 07:16 PM I don't think there's anyone here who gives a s**t about what YOU think would be nice. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:02 PM So how do you think the party will fair in the June elections ? Would be nice to hear your predictions so we can reflect on them in a few weeks time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Cats Date: 20 May 09 - 06:56 PM Excellent video, says it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Steve Hunt Date: 20 May 09 - 06:39 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1DkVljeRfM |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Sorcha Date: 20 May 09 - 06:05 PM Mike, I'm with you too, for what it's worth from the US. I'm finding this a bit difficult to believe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Cats Date: 20 May 09 - 05:56 PM Says it all if they read, and believe, anything in the Mail :-) Richard, I appreciate your comment and hope you realise it was just one example. I could cite many others but it would not be helpful here unless you want a 5,000 word essay! I hope SHE [it's a woman not a man] changes her views and sees sense. The BNP have said that this year they are targetting women and folkies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,lox Date: 20 May 09 - 05:47 PM Daily Mail Reader is a parody we have seen here before. I think very funny. Though in this case parodying an american stereotype. You need to be thinking more along the lines of Gary Bushell or Richard LittleJohn. "I had that Gordon Brown in the back of my cab once ..." etc |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Leadfingers Date: 20 May 09 - 05:43 PM I note that the only 'Supporter' of your friend makes sure he/she is totally anonymous Mike ! I am with you on this , despite the fact that you are a Tory !!! LOL |