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Obit: Michael Jackson (1958-2009), age 50

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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM

A cautionary tale, this. Truthfully, I was too old to be a fan of Michael Jackson, but I could readily appreciate the talent and the stagecraft he brought to work. His is the story common to many whose parents use their children to enrich and aggrandize themselves. Hollywood is full of them, and of the children of stars and wanna-be stars who can't live up to the hype, the scrutiny and the fast times. This sad soul was a child living out his fantasies in an adult body he was always uncomfortable with. The plastic surgeons, and any other doctors, who enabled him deserve the millstone more than him.

I don't pretend to know the reality of his life, amidst all the accusations and innuendo, who really does? One thing I would counsel;
if you want to be famous, be careful what you wish for.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: melodeonboy
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:11 PM

"Truthfully, I was too old to be a fan of Michael Jackson"

Eh?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 09:39 PM

The Hollywood culture produces the drug-infested world of nihilism and self-destruction.
The Eagles got it right when they said, "You can check out but never leave".
Also, "You can't kill the beast".

Brian Wilson, Elvis, MJ and so many others, Baluchi, .............all the dope and denial
can't shut it out.

Americans are fascinated with life in the fast lane. MJ and Sanford have wrapped up
media news. Meanwhile Iraq and Pakistan want America to leave. Khomenei rules Iran with an iron fist. A new coup in Honduras. Health Care with a public option may not get passed. Detainees still don't get a fair trial.

Wesley, Pete Seeger will be remembered for his integrity and bravery when MJ is just a
footnote in pop music culture. MJ's legacy will be that of a victim of child abuse.
All the fame and fortune in the world won't make that go away.

Hollywood is drugged-out-to-lunch.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:24 PM

It's one thing to smear poor Michael with unproven allegations (other than amazingly stupid behavior) but on this thread somebody else has been smeared: King Canute.

According to the famous legend, he did not in fact want to turn back the waves. Rather he was demonstrating to his courtiers how little power he had against nature (i.e. God). Admittedly part of the good press he received--which has since morphed into a simplistic misunderstanding-- was due to his good relations with the historians of the time (i.e. the Church).


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:23 PM

Michael Jackson was enormously talented and skilled. I never cared for his music or his writing, but man that guy could perform, entertain and dance. He became tremendously fucked up, and I felt a great sadness--much as I do when I see people getting themselves changed surgically so they can fit someone else's view of what they should look like. He became almost a carricature of himself. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Hell, don't watch TV for twenty years then go watch TV for an evening. I did last night and I found it to be more disgusting than it was when I turned it off 'for good' two decades past. The lame laugh tracks, the jokes that ain't funny, the coiffed hair of men who spend more time in front of the mirror than a teenager getting ready for his first date, the women with collagened lips and breasts.

Michael Jackson's death brings to mind a song by THE Bard.

"by Bob Dylan

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not I," says the referee,
"Don't point your finger at me.
I could've stopped it in the eighth
An' maybe kept him from his fate,
But the crowd would've booed, I'm sure,
At not gettin' their money's worth.
It's too bad he had to go,
But there was a pressure on me too, you know.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not us," says the angry crowd,
Whose screams filled the arena loud.
"It's too bad he died that night
But we just like to see a fight.
We didn't mean for him t' meet his death,
We just meant to see some sweat,
There ain't nothing wrong in that.
It wasn't us that made him fall.
No, you can't blame us at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says his manager,
Puffing on a big cigar.
"It's hard to say, it's hard to tell,
I always thought that he was well.
It's too bad for his wife an' kids he's dead,
But if he was sick, he should've said.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?


"Not me," says the gambling man,
With his ticket stub still in his hand.
"It wasn't me that knocked him down,
My hands never touched him none.
I didn't commit no ugly sin,
Anyway, I put money on him to win.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the boxing writer,
Pounding print on his old typewriter,
Sayin', "Boxing ain't to blame,
There's just as much danger in a football game."
Sayin', "Fist fighting is here to stay,
It's just the old American way.
It wasn't me that made him fall.
No, you can't blame me at all."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?

"Not me," says the man whose fists
Laid him low in a cloud of mist,
Who came here from Cuba's door
Where boxing ain't allowed no more.
"I hit him, yes, it's true,
But that's what I am paid to do.
Don't say 'murder,' don't say 'kill.'
It was destiny, it was God's will."

Who killed Davey Moore,
Why an' what's the reason for?"


We as a society turn people into things they're not. I think we did that to him, too. That's all I have to say.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,Mike B.
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:07 PM

That song was based on an actual boxing death from the early 60s - Phil Ochs also wrote one about it, although not as good as Dylan's.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:41 PM

IMO, the best version was done by Pete Seeger.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:51 PM

Davey Moore does come to mind, Bruce. Phil Ochs wrote the perfect epitaph for Michael Jsckson, in "The Chords of Fame"

Theyll rob you of your innocence
They will put you up for sale
The more that you will find success
The more that you will fail.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:40 AM

Going from the sublime to the ridiculous, the following is apparently the result of a collaboration between Tom Paxton and David Buskin.

Let's go to Michael Jackson's house,
The party never stops,
Be sure to bring your jammies,
Well really just the tops.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Janie
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:07 AM

I always marvel at the fascination, including my own, with untimely tragedy or death of the famous and gifted, (and also the locally renown and gifted that most, if not all of us, have known in our personal circles.)


It seems it is one part a desire for a heros or gods/goddesses, one part envy, one part empathy, one part self-righteousness, one part shock, and at least one part object lesson on gratitude for the mundane and ordinary and the value of that in our own lives. And certainly a bunch of other parts that I either haven't noticed, or have chosen to not take the time to name here.

Let's let the guy rest in peace. None of us knew him, knew anyone who knew him, or much thought about him until he died.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 05:50 AM

R.I.P.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:35 AM

So, I'm driving to South Devon with a builder friend of mine and we get talking about Michael. We'd just driven past the new Exeter Football Stadium and I was telling him my story above, of when the children and I saw Michael in Exeter. Suddenly he says...

"Yeah, my kids have met some of the Jackson 5. They came to visit their school in Plymouth a few months back."

?

My mouth dropped open, just a fraction...

"Didn't you know The Jacksons love Devon? They come here a lot. I think they've got a place down here somewhere."

????

And my mouth hit the floor.....LOL

The Jackson 5 in Devon

Well, who'd a thought it, eh?

So maybe Michael didn't fly in from the USA that time, he merely popped over from Appledore in North Devon.   :0)

And..taken from the Times on Line link, above:

"The village itself may offer limited diversion. In this pretty historical fishing village, where the Taw and Torridge rivers meet, life centres on the quay, which hosts crabbing contests and Morris Dancing. There is also an ice-cream shop."

There you go, The Jackson 5 possibly watched Morris Dancing in their local Devon village!

Come on, hands up...WHO said that Michael Jackson had no place on Mudcat, no right to be up here in the music section? Shame on you! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 05:51 AM

Excellent, Lizze! Wish we'd known about that on our Devon jaunt a few weeks back - Appledore would have been high on the itinerary...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 11:44 AM

Great story, Lizzie. Are all of the brothers so recognizable that people knew who they were immediately? I wouldn't know any of the Jacksons except Michael, Janet, and LaToya. And LaToya is marginal. If they dress in the "look at me" style we see in celebrity photos that's a clue, but if they just dress in jeans and t-shirts, don't have an entourage, is there a chance at being left alone? For example, in your neighborhood, on your street, if someone famous drove up in a normal non-flashy car and walked into the house, they could probably go in unnoticed and unmolested? In my village I'm sure you could probably go for a walk and not be noticed or bothered. But that's if the individual isn't telegraphing, through apparel or body language "look at me" or "I'm conspicuously trying to not be noticed."

maple_leaf_boy, that "joke" is stupid junior high school boy puerile material. Someone else started a thread that ended after two posts because it contained nothing but that stupidity. Are you 12 years old? Is that why you've tried so many times to get someone to pay attention to you?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:40 PM

I am confused..did he have a younger brother? Sometimes I count six in the Jackson 5 and one seems younger or at least smaller than Michael.

Anyway, here is a very good insight from Huffington post.

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nerakami I'm a Fan of nerakami permalink

Michael Jackson's death like Princess Diana is an opportunity to give our collective consciousness an outlet to globally mourn. To cry and collectively release all that pent up frustrations and sorrow because of all the horrible things happening that you say we should pay more attention to... oh believe me there are many of us who do pay attention but if some occurrence doesn't come along once in a while allowing us the chance to grieve for our miserable souls - then my friend more and more of us would be jumping off buildings incapable of coping. Let us give thanks for the Universe providing mankind with events in our history that allow us a sense of emotional release. Let us cry and let go the sorrow inside - and then we will wipe our eyes, blow our noses and continue to be bombarded by events demonstrating the horrors of our human nature...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 09 - 01:42 PM

"Are all of the brothers so recognizable that people knew who they were immediately?"

Appledore's a small village, so word would get around in no time, I would think, SRS, probably helped along by a few agents here and there.. :0)

Just found...Billie Jean been looking for it for ages, but it wasn't there as 'they' had removed it.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: DADGBE
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:33 AM

It's remarkable how quickly the zeitgeist responds to such an event as his death. I was playing a gig today, July 4th, and heard the first of what will probably turn out to be many jokes on the subject. To wit -

Farrah Fawcett died, went to heaven and God granted her a wish. She asked God to protect the children so he knocked off Michael Jackson.

Funny? Perhaps, but it shows the level of charge that folks have about him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 02:31 AM

No, it's not funny, it shows that you're tasteless.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: open mike
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 04:24 AM

I saw a news report today that mentioned that Michael Jackson made a desperate plea to a nurse a few days before his death stating that he felt cold on one half of his body and hot on the other half. She recommended and/or insisted that he go to a hospital, but he did not follow that advice.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 06:29 AM

changing faces


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 09:41 AM

Jon Stewart weighs in about the media coverage of Jackson's death here.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 10:06 AM

mg sez "I am confused..did he have a younger brother? Sometimes I count six in the Jackson 5 and one seems younger or at least smaller than Michael."

Randy (Steven Randall Jackson) is Michael's younger brother. He is older than Janet, who is the youngest sibling. Both Randy and Janet made several "guest appearances" with the Jackson 5. Later, after Michael left the group to build his solo career, the band reformed in 1976 as "The Jacksons" and Randy joined the group; they signed with Epic Records. Randy co-wrote their hit "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)" with Michael. He also worked with Michael on Michael's solo recordings.

For reference, Wikipedia lists three generations of the Jackson family on this page.


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