Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:18 AM Bill D. may you long continue to Thread on Mudcat. Your opinions are very much valued Im sure. I was not being rude. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jun 09 - 12:33 AM He was a consummate dancer and I enjoyed watching him, esp. in Black or White. Good message even if he was a bit confused about it himself. And, I like the trad dancing. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:12 PM But the main question is: why did he treat our Joe so lousy? |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:10 PM No, I stopped listening 101 years ago. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,Gormless Bob Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:07 PM what, you never heard of Jake Goody & Da Big Brothers !!??? man wherez you bin, you not listen to the wireless this last 100 years.. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:03 PM But Joe, who the hell is--or was--Jake Goody, and how did he cause you such misery? |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:01 PM Though George's pop without Ira's lyrics is unthinkable. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:59 PM "Genius". Using that for either Elvis or Michael Jackson is proof positive of absurd language inflation. Which of course, as usual with inflation, has led to language debasement. I can't think of one pop musical "genius"--somebody to rank with Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven, Bach etc.--unless you call Gershwin "pop"--since he straddled both and did them supremely well. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Neil D Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:17 PM Meanwhile, on the subject of death: has anyone heard whether Neda's family have been allowed to see her body? George, I don't know if the parents ever saw the body, but I saw a report today that several people had placed flowers and mementos on her grave in defiance of government orders not to mourn her. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Soldier boy Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:06 PM Lizzie Cornish 1, Wow what a eulogy for Michael!! Yours has been the best contribution so far on this thread because of your utmost sincerity, honesty and pure emotion, so well expressed and written. I do not know if you know it but you are one powerful wordsmith. Your use of words is so evocative,sublime, and they stir the emotions and the soul. You certainly stirred mine and you have moved me (and that takes a lot of doing). If you are not already into 'creative writing' then please do consider this and act upon it for you have the writers instinct to write a best selling novel. I josh not, I can recognise talent and believe in you. Just do it! Trust me - and start now! Chris |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:01 PM I don't start threads for most pop artists, but I did for this one. The order of magnitude of importance in the music industry is off the scale, compared to most of the rest. I also started the Farrah thread, and expected it to be moved below, unless someone found some musical association that I wasn't aware of. What I DON'T do is ever start an obit thread with "BS." For a long time I think a lot of people here have acknowledged that the core of their musical interest is folk or blues, but many of us have eclectic tastes and stray into lots of other music venues. If you try to exclude the conversation about the others, you'll have a dried up little site with martinets as moderators, kicking out all of the non-germane stuff. That would be a sorry site. SRS |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,6 months younger than MJ Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:29 PM brilliant multi-talented showbiz performer.. yes !! absolutely !!!! musical artist soul /R'n'B /rock crossover genius ????? sod the hysterical worldwide mass sycophants, he was never any way near as gifted as Prince !!!! As superb as MJ was at his mainstream entertainment profession.. please lests keep his limited creative musical artistry in perspective. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Andy Jackson Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:28 PM Thanks Lizzie, that was a wonderful tribute and some warming little stories. Yes the man was but a boy, and therein lay the problem that most of the world couldn't grasp. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: melodeonboy Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:20 PM "Bad day for Hollywood." Agreed. "His influence on music across every spectrum of music is massive." Oh, yeh. I often add a squeaky voice and a disco beat when I do "All for my grog"! "Bloody hell. Anyone'd think he was a priest." Quite. And has been at least intimated on this thread, Mudcat is going to be very crowded if we now spend so much time and space on pop artists. Ain't there other websites for this sort of thing?! Even on this morning's Today programme on Radio 4 (which I regard as a serious, mainly political programme) I had to put up with someone spouting, in no uncertain terms, that Michael Jackson was "up there with Mozart and Beethoven". Spare me! |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Jack Blandiver Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:44 PM Nice one, Lizzie. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:35 PM I first saw him on the Andy Williams show, when Andy introduced the new baby in the band of brothers that were the Jacksons...On came this little lad, his Afro hairstyle framing his cheeky little face just perfectly...and then....out came the voice! The rhythm flowed through that child, raised on music from the moment he was born, surrounded by it, but....more than that...born with it, born with it inside him, likewise with the Dance. An ability to make the song and dance pure, because it was as much a part of him as breathing... Andy's face shone that night...I can still recall his smile, because he knew what was coming. Well, the little lad never went away, did he? He lived his life in the way of those words above (posted by 'Guest' who was me, earlier on) Michael's music became the background to the lives of many generations...His music was loved by people of all ages, it made you move! You couldn't hear one of his songs and not feel it going through your own body! Heck, I recall dancing to Billie Jean, letting it all go, at a wedding wayyyyyy back, and loving every single second of the movement in that song, it was its own blood coursing through your veins... Over the years, he grew paler, his nose grew thinner, his hair grew longer, and you began to realise that this Superstar was so uncomfortable in his own body, probably hated the way he looked. The terrible pain he must have endured, in his efforts to find some 'face' that finally fitted the 'inside' Michael, brought shivers....And all the time, the greedy surgeons lined up to operate on him, to cause the disfigurements that later showed on his face... And so he hid, behind his masks, under his hat, under his hair, under his make-up, never letting the world see the real Michael, because hell, I doubt even he knew who that was anyway... The damage an abusive parent does goes so deep. The damage to a child deprived of a happy childhood goes even deeper. Was he a child molester? I have absolutely no idea. None of us do, even those who condemn him. It seems hard to understand why a man who loved kids so much would want to hurt them, when he'd known such hurt himself. Sleeping with kids 'innocently' is a weird one, yet...when I think back to when I was 19, and in hospital for a month with an eye problem, I was in the kids ward, and every night I'd gather those little ones on to my bed, read them stories, talk to them, make them laugh, ease their fears, cuddle and hug the ones that needed a hug. Why? Because I love children, absolutely no other reason whatsoever. I've always hugged children, always, it's the most natural thing in the world to me, but hell, that doesn't make me a child molester. The last time I saw Michael Jackson was in Exeter, a few years back. I'd been listening to Radio 2 that afternoon and Steve Wright had come on, saying that Michael was due to be in Exeter later that day...Yeah, right, Steve! ??????? The 'story' went that he'd flown over at the request of Uri Geller, who'd recently taken over Exeter City Football Club, and Uri had asked Michael to help raise money for the new Football Stadium (now all built and shiny) Well....you know when you hear something soooooooo crazy that you just think "Hell, let's do this!"....that's what I did...I got the kids and said "Come on, we're off!"....Got to Exeter, followed the crowds to the football stadium, bumped into my neighbour who had some spare tickets. We went in, sat down and waited.....waited for the hoax to start.... Er...Uri Geller was the first on the small stage....Up he sprang, doing his bit...Everyone's looking at one another, and smiling, thinking we're all as daft as each other...and *then* Uri starts to introdue Michael and a hush falls over the crowd....A few moments later, a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang kind of car drives out on to the pitch, going all around the stadium. On the top of the open back seat sits a smallish figure, almost hidden under a black umbrella... "Cor! It's Mary Poppins!" says the bloke next to me...and we smiled... The car stops at the stage and out jumps the slight figure, surrounded by burly fellas. He climbs up to where Uri is and starts to talk and yup, it's the Real Michael alright! So there we sit, in the afternoon Devon sun, listening to Michael Jackson talking about saving the world, being kind to one another, changing the way this ol' world is....Quite *the* most surreal day of my life! And now he's moved on, to a place where he'll find peace at long last, where his every move won't be monitored, where he won't have helicoptors flying over his house, photographers at every corner, journalists, publicity agents, greedy bastards taking advantage of a soul that could no longer cope with reality. I watched Gladys Knight talking about him earlier on, saying how all of those who 'worshipped' Michael had done this to him, she included herself in that, turning him into what he became...But no, for me it started with his nasty father, and went on from there... I believe that he really was the kind, shy soul that so many of his friends knew and have spoken about...a trusting, innocent person who saw life differently and never really understood this thing called 'life'... Uri Geller spoke of how he and Michael would argue, when Uri would tell him he was way out of line in some of the things he was doing, laying himself wide open for accusations, but he didn't listen, because he felt it was all innocent, so what was there to worry about? Watching him going around that tacky store that someone spoke of earlier struck me as incredibly sad, because he was just walking round it saying, "One of those, two of these, one of them" nothing meant anything to him. Nothing does when life itself means so little... I'm glad he died relatively young, before age tore him apart any further. Before the vultures got their photos of 'Michael Growing Old' and he found more greedy, gruesome surgeons to tear his face and body apart further in his efforts to stay the child he was never allowed to be, the feminine face he so longed for.. No wonder Elizabeth Taylor understood him so well, because she never had her childhood either. Diane Ross cared about him, but he started to look so like her, it must have spooked her...He seemed always desperate to be anyone but himself, that cheeky little lad, with his cute nose, lovely hair and smiley face. He was a superb performer, an unbelievable dancer, a brilliant songwriter and singer and to be honest, imo, there'll never be another that can touch him. The world demanded a Superstar, and became that, at the cost to his happiness, his sanity, his life. So, Michael, for all those years when you made the world happy whilst you lived your years bewildered and locked away, trusting Bubbles more than you trusted most humans, thank you...Thank you for the truly incredible music and dance that you let behind. And hey, there aren't many lads in short trousers, who wear sparkly socks and grab their crotch that could make me watch 'em....but you had me hooked! Beat It The Man In The Mirror Documentary - Part 1 - Youtube (all other parts are also there) At last, he can now finally *be* Michael.... |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: goatfell Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM so sad that he's gone |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Bill D Date: 26 Jun 09 - 06:19 PM Since you started the thread, I will answer you here...then stop. Yes, those days are pretty well gone, since Max has decided not to try to limit things. With 2 hours of searching, I could find the couple of posts from years ago where I predicted that this tiny island of folk/blues in a sea of 'other stuff' would gradually be overwhelmed if there were no concerted effort otherwise. I have made suggestions about how to deal with it, but obviously, I saw no sense in ME trying by myself, like King Canute, to "sweep back the waves". I try to find the relevant threads, but it does get harder. I can even see...sort of... a justification for beginning the thread above the line...but wasn't Farrah's?...and dozens of others which were moved soon after they were started? Lord help us if anything happens to Ringo Starr. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:57 PM Bill D, those days are long gone, don't you think? |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Bill D Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:28 PM Pierre...I was one of the earliest posters on Mudcat, from back when it was clear that we were not about pop/rock music OR the health of their icons, no matter how famous. I reserve my right to make my opinion known. I feel the same about famous opera singers or 'rap' artists. (I never intended Iran to be anywhere else....I will 'stay there' when discussing Iran. I have posted about 'folk' related music here for 13 years. I will continue to do that, also) I will trouble this thread no further |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 26 Jun 09 - 05:08 PM Er ..."Its a Obit" Michael Jackson thread Bill D." 2 Just because he didnt play Banjo ,or Mandol does not banish him to the discussion threads. He was a supurb performer? Dancer and Musician, Poor Farrah was not. Theres plently of musicians in health care mainly fiddlers. Iran can go to the open Disscussion forum. (Stay there) |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Bill D Date: 26 Jun 09 - 04:38 PM Ok...I am now officially tired of NOTHING on major news channels but MJ. What ever happened to Iran & health care? ....and why does this stay above the line when Farrah was relegated down below immediately? He was NOT a musician in the genré that Mudcat is basically concerned with. He was FAMOUS...he was not some ------- whatever. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: michaelr Date: 26 Jun 09 - 03:16 PM The world is a less weird place. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Tim Leaning Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:53 PM 100 ? |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Spot Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:49 PM Allo everybody... Michael Jackson RIP. He was everything I never wanted to be and so damned good at it!! He was such a dancer. I canna dance for toffee. I didn't particularly like what he did but he was an absolute master at it. I can fully understand the high emotions of the fans. I openly shed tears at the passing of Derek Moffat of The McCalmans.... he was as big in my world as MJ was in his fans worlds. I am upset that this has happpened. I'm sorry for his fans. I'm also sorry his "private" life was a mess.It shouldn't have been. Ok....Spot |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: George Papavgeris Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:05 PM Oh well. And so it goes. Threads like this on Mudsling often say more about ourselves - the posters - than the topic; such is the way of the world. Meanwhile, on the subject of death: has anyone heard whether Neda's family have been allowed to see her body? |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Pierre Le Chapeau Date: 26 Jun 09 - 02:03 PM I was no great fan of Michael Jackson" but he was a great Showman and a great singer/songwriter. and will be sadly missed by his Fans and a great loss to the music world in general. Shame his Heart attack was induced by his addiction to a drug. May he rest in peace. God bless him Pierre |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: SINSULL Date: 26 Jun 09 - 01:43 PM There was a TV Special/documentary about Jackson while the paedophile charges were in the news. They followed him around (with his permission) as he "lived his life". One event stuck with me. He went shopping in the tackiest crap store imaginable. The place was full of life size nudes and statues and gilded crap all imported from Italy. Michael went from piece to piece and asked the owner (sleeze personified) what it was called and how much it cost(owner always came back with a Greek name for the hideobilia). Then Jackson would say "I want two of those and one of these and do you have any more of those?" It was all pure crap. Later in an interview the owner admitted his business had skyrocketed since Jackson stumbled in one day. The greedy little slimeball acted like a servant around Jackson and pushed all manner of junk his way. Jackson (and you could see he was trying to impress the camera with superb taste in art) bought it all. All that money and not a clue what had value. No taste whatsoever. It was very sad. Sadder too that there must have been a long line of creepy people ready to relieve him of his money. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Burke Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:52 PM RIP. His recent years have been so strange. Maybe now he'll become like Elvis, people will come to remember the early good part and forget or ignore the later. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:48 PM Did he ever think back to this song, I wonder? I Gotta Be Me on Youtube Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong Whether I find a place in this world or never belong I gotta be me, I've gotta be me What else can I be but what I am I want to live, not merely survive And I won't give up this dream Of life that keeps me alive I gotta be me, I gotta be me The dream that I see makes me what I am That far-away prize, a world of success Is waiting for me if I heed the call I won't settle down, won't settle for less As long as there's a chance that I can have it all I'll go it alone, that's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else If I'm not right for me I gotta be free, I've gotta be free Daring to try, to do it or die I've gotta be me I'll go it alone, that's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else If I'm not right for me I gotta be free, I just gotta be free Daring to try, to do it or die I gotta be me |
Subject: Abrazos: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:15 PM The Hug of the Week Award at OUR house goes to BARACK OBAMA-- the only Black Man I know of who could trump the incessant media drooling over the Jackson made-for-TV spectacle. Obama's on the teevee now-- making such SENSE, and about Iran of all things, that it stands as a living tribute and yardstick to Civil Rights. "Pick your cultural icon," he is NOT saying, but I am hearing. "Which one do you really want?" Abrazos, ~Susan |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: The Sandman Date: 26 Jun 09 - 12:12 PM I dont think Jackson was a paedophile,I agree his behaviour was very unusual,has it never occurred to anyone,that he was trying to have some sort of child hood that he was never able to have,anyway innocent until proven guilty. [imo]his music was crubbish |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:26 AM Thanks, SRS. Everybody should be aware that false accusations of child abuse are common. Whenever a person is accused of child abuse, our attitude should be "Let's wait and see what the facts show." We should be especially cautious when greed or jealousy might be behind the accusation. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:16 AM Celebrity trials are such a circus. A Lab tech who testified in the O.J. Simpson trial was seen gushing and shaking O.J.'s hand after he left the witness stand. There were problems with the evidence, and after seeing that exchange, one wonders at the attention the lab paid to processing it correctly. As presented, it looks pretty clear O.J. did it and escaped that justice on a technicality. The following civil trial found him clearly guilty of the crime. Since then he has done nothing to redeem himself in the public eye. The trial against Michael Jackson appears to have been an extortion scheme gone wrong, orchestrated by a mentally ill mother and her passive puppet child. Once it was picked up by the courts, they were working with hear-say and bad actors as if they were true evidence (The boy was old enough to understand the questions and be clear in his answers, but was never called to testify. Jackson's folks would have had to show that he was coerced, which might have been difficult to prove.) A civil trial never followed the criminal one because they clearly had no good case to pursue. He was making an effort to move past all of that and pick up his career. Too bad it was cut short. One hopes he found pleasure in his family, in raising his children, and that they can avoid the intense scrutiny that will be directed their way. Michael Jackson's fans will push aside those of you who are doing your best to turn his death into one last indictment against him. SRS |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: katlaughing Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:12 AM It's amazing somebody with absolutely everything could so totally and senselessly throw it away. He certainly wasn't the only one to do so, as per earlier references to Elvis and others. Maybe it is they get burnt up too fast by the genius within. It would be a lot to handle for anyone in such short time spans. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 26 Jun 09 - 11:11 AM Bloody hell. Anyone'd think he was a priest. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Andy Jackson Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:45 AM SKARPI: Yes many innocents die every day, but to mourn the passing of one individual shows our humanity and doesn't make the innoccents deaths any less important. DeG: Yes many victims of abuse recover and lead meningful lives. One the other hand many VICTIMS do not and their life and those near them are blighted forever. He was indeed "weird" towards the end, but mental instability manifests in many ways. He loved his children and they must be suffering dreadfully without seeing the dirt dug up again. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 09 - 10:23 AM Shame for anyone who dies young. And their family more so. I was another who could not see the attraction but he obviously meant a lot to a lot of people. What is realy getting on my nerves is the talk that he was a victim. Many people suffered far worse than he did and have lived lives helping other people without seeking the attention he did. Talent? Yes. Even though I could not see it. Showman? Absolutely top notch but without realising that when you put your life on show you must expect people to take an interest. Even if it is not the sort you wanted. Child molester? I dunno. Never proven and I will give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but sharing a bed with children, no matter how innocently done, is far from normal behaviour. All that said, I do hope his family, particulary his children, are shielded from the more obnoxious of our media. May he, and they, be in peace. DeG |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: ard mhacha Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:29 AM Have to agree with you Skarpi, a weirdo child molester should have been put away years ago, the noise abatement society will not shed any tears, nor will I. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: glueman Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM A gentle, misguided soul who became everyone's cash-cow for far too long. We were born two days apart but I never got to perform one of the best 4-square foot stompers ever made... I Want You Back |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Jun 09 - 09:08 AM There's a major problem when someone becomes such a celebrity. Not everyone can handle the attention and the inevitable distortion. Whatever impact Jackson had on pop music made little impression on me but I certainly couldn't avoid hearing or reading about his "life story." May he find some peace. Charley Noble, who evidently feels a need to comment as well |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: skarpi Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:59 AM so he died . so do many thousands of children every year , and still people dont gather to their funaral or places where they die . I dont think that he get a special floor in gods heaven just becouse he´s mr . Jackson . sorry its just me , and I hope sometime soon I can do something for those children out there , witch I feel so sorry for. I know ABC , I will talk to them . all the best Skarpi Iceland . P.s if you dont like what I wrote here , then tell me about it . |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:49 AM 50 years old. What a shame. I was in the doctor's waiting room last week reading an article on Lulu in SAGA magazine. To think we'll never see Michael Jackson on the front cover. Seriously, though, it's very sad to contrast the 10-year old in the Jackson 5 with the rather pathetic figure he became, at least in the public arena. I wouldn't say it could only happen in America, but it certainly couldn't have happened anywhere else first. As far as his personal life is concerned, we will probably never know the truth. There are probably too many people with a vested interest in their version of events. What seems likely, though, is that if any of the allegations were true a lot of people would have colluded in making it possible for these things to happen. I can't see any of them coming clean anytime soon. One thing's for certain - my 9-year old will be gutted. And telling her that lots of people think he was a bad person won't make her feel any better. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Gedi Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:41 AM I too was not a great fan, but whenever I saw him interviewed on TV he always struck me as being a very gentle soul. Tortured and haunted by his past, I don't believe he ever found true happiness despite his wealth. As for the allegations I don't really believe them - there are a lot of people out there looking to make a fast buck no matter who they drag through the dirt. I only hope that he now finds the peace he was denied while on this planet. RIP Michael. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Stu Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:26 AM He's not dead, I've just seen him stacking shelves in the tinned fish section of Tesco's in Macclesfield. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Jun 09 - 08:01 AM "I always think it's interesting to hear the range of opinion" Me too Ron. Mine is that he was a tortured genius, a product of his abused and misdirected childhood, who surrounded himself with hugely talented musicians and writers to produce several of the greatest pop records ever, and who, by the sometimes corrosive nature of stardom, lost touch with reality and his responsibilities to 'his' public. It's a sad end, much like those of Judy, Marilyn and Elvis. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM As far as "De mortuis..."--sorry, Michael was a controversial figure--through his own actions. Anybody who doesn't like the comments is always free withhold their own--including the admonition above--or not even read the thread. Or you could always ask Joe to ban Obit threads--he's already not very enthusiastic about them. I always think it's interesting to hear the range of opinion.
-Joe- |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: GUEST,Dani Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM It's a dark road to go down to throw out the art with the dark speculations about an artist's life. Though, the temptation is great to judge, based on the products of the great American media circus. However: His (and all the Jackson!) music was and is great fun, and we're going to have a dance party to remember it all Sunday evening. Join us if you are in NC! My best memory is from the 80's when his brothers joined him onstage in Philadelphia during what I think was the Thriller tour, for a few old-school Jackson 5 tunes. Rocked the house. Dani |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM I loved the very first bouncy, upbeat hits with the Jackson 5--ABC; Stop, the Love You Save: I Want You Back. Even fun to sing. Will never forget (10 year old?) Michael squeaking: "Come on, girl, show me what you can do.". Good tight pop music--even with a sense of humor. Everything else he did from then on was downhill--Thriller didn't, etc. And his personal life went from bad to worse. If anybody needed proof that money isn't everything, he was Exhibit A. It annoyed me that at one point he owned a large portion of the Beatles' catalogue--it seemed he really didn't deserve it--wasn't in the same league in talent. Then came the really precipitous slide--even financially. It's amazing somebody with absolutely everything could so totally and senselessly throw it away. Child molester?-- well, whatever he was doing, it sure didn't look good. Who knows, maybe it wasn't--just more incredibly stupid behavior. I figured I could do my bit to express disapproval by just not buying his stuff. Tortured soul? For sure. Hope he didn't wreck anybody else's life. I agree Farrah Fawcett deserved a lot more sympathy than he did. After all, she did nothing to cause her own death. Did Michael? Unclear. We'll probably hear a lot of speculation on that. |
Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Jackson -age 50- Jun 2009 From: Midchuck Date: 26 Jun 09 - 07:03 AM Sandy McLean said it all. P. |
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