BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:29 PM

As for Peace, Bruce, guest--gee. Coming from you that's rich. Want your names here? I will be very glad to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM

I asked you if you did. Read the fucking post, Edward. Until then fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Aug 09 - 07:22 PM

Peace/Bruce/guest,
                  So, tell me, Your self imposed deadline expired on thursday. So, who is the naughty mudcatter/BNP gnome? Did you track the ISP of the facebook infitrators? Do you still believe I have been sending you death threats?
                   That realy must be a first on mudcat surely, one member accusing another of sending them death threats! Care to apologise Brucie for your accusations towards my good self?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Aug 09 - 01:51 AM

I have never had a washboard stomach (of my own)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 08:51 PM

... of folk? ...

.. or by "1954 definition" do you mean the last time you had a washboard stomach?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 07:46 PM

Dimshit is current in the UK, and has been for nearly 30 years as far as I know. What's a "dipshit"?

I have several dictionaries of slang and colloquial English - but all I think pass the 1954 definition.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 06:49 PM

Richard ... I'm surprised ...

Surely you mean either Dimwit or Dipshit ...

You must brush up on your colloquialisms. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 06:43 PM

"And try AND avoid"?

Back to skool!

"try TO avoid" - please.

Dimshit.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 05:23 PM

Then stop being a complete asshole, Edward R.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 04:24 PM

That was written by Aneurin Glyndwr.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 04:21 PM

"BNP

Saturday, 11 July 2009

Loud and Proud? More like ashamed

It seems that the BNP members are ashamed of themselves. Party leader Nick Griffin sent around an email telling members to "try and avoid" owning up to being a BNP supporter. Griffin urges members to send letters of complaint to the General Teaching Council as two BNP "super activists" face being struck off the teaching register.

In the email Griffin states:
"We need all our supporters to contact the General Teaching Council and protest in the most determined way,"

"When complaining, please be articulate, polite and sensible and try and avoid stating that you are a BNP supporter."

Come on Nick aren't you loud and proud of your beliefs?"

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 10:59 AM

Yeah. Flamingoes--the true path.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 09:36 AM

""Stop talking like a complete prat Bruce!""

He's right, you know, Bruce.

You SHOULDN'T come down to his level. You're better than that.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 09:17 AM

Stop talking like a complete prat Bruce!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 09:21 PM

Paco, did you send the death threat?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 09:20 PM

Nice try, Paco. Tell Andrew he's next.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 10:58 AM

I live in Langley Mill! Doh! Outed at last!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 05:23 AM

it has always amazed me that america is so backwards on a number of things. it is free healthcare they are thinking of doing, like our NHS? if it is, it is about time!!

leon sounds like he is one of the worlds true heroes, and the highest compliment i can give him, is to send my love and respect.
anyone that goes through that without being filled with hate and fear i think is extraordinary.(is that the right word?)


i still don't know how those soldiers could do what they did. it is one thing killing someone who wants to kill you, but killing innocents???? it is way beond my understanding and i think it always will be.

i am all for free speech,but not when that speech turns into action of the type that hurts and intimidates others.

the problem i have is that i don't want to be like them and just want to kill off the racist wankers, but i know that for some people that will be the only way to stop them.
this is why it is so important to keep delivering the truth to wouldbe voters. let us constrict the BNP and groups like them until only the hardcore is left. what to do with them then.... i haven't a clue.

it would be so easy just to incite violence but wouldn't that make us just as bad as the nazis we are trying to get rid of?


okay, i have given myself a headache. i will leave finding the answers to more intellegent folks than i.

take care all and have a wonderful day in the sunshine.

jade x x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 04:32 AM

This is a little, off topic, so my apologies. However, someone has just drawn my attention to an organisation called the League of American Voters. It was formed apparently to fight Obama's proposed health care reform. Fair enough. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But look what it says here. "It will add 50 million new patients — including up to 13 million illegal aliens — to an system that already doesn't have enough doctors."

Goddamn racists. They get everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 10:27 PM

500

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 10:23 PM

Thank you, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 10:18 PM

://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Langley+Mill&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=uk&ei=FHeDSoTPBZahjAf057WICg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=t


Actually just in Derbyshire

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 10:00 PM

Where is Langley Mill in England? Anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 09:55 PM

Well, one letter at a time and I'll never get the guy's name out there. Start with Andrew.

BTW, Andrew, if that was you a few days back who sent the death threat, FUCK YOU! Pussies, the fuckin' lot of you.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 09:02 PM

A

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 08:19 PM

Pardon: On Youtube. Including many from the fake Richard. The real Richard is a man. The person imitating him spells poorly, has little education, formal or otherwise, and likely 'spends time' with older teenaged boys on weekends.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 08:10 PM

I notice stepped-up attacks against me on MySpace by the BNP. I will out the member tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 07:25 PM

Was that Ricky Nelson?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 06:44 PM

not sure bruce, i think so but then my days have been going backwards and forwards so much i think it might be september!!

x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 06:39 PM

Is today Wednesday?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 07:57 PM

Martin - try to make it less tempting.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: jeddy
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 07:29 PM

martin,
of course someone can cance and be a BNP supporter. BUT there has been too many id thefts to assume that anyones posts are really from who they say they are especially when they are guests.

EMMA B is not and never will be a bully.

as the BNP and the KKK have such an intimate relationship, i am grateful to have the support of our U.S friends. to be honest until i came on here, i always thought that the KKK had been disbanded and outlawed sometime in the 70s.

i still think that people should be allowed to voice their opinions freely, even when we wholley dissagree with what they say. personally i have found some of the pro BNP stuff really sickening but it shows the level of (un)intelligence not to mention loyalty of those who support their cause.

for example, the rape and abuse stuff sickens me no end, especially as i have been on the recieving end.
HOWEVER i think he should keep saying crap like that. if it sickens me and you lot then imagine how many others. he will lose more votes every time he comes up with stuff like that, so FILL YA BOOTS MATE.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 03:11 AM

Richard

Please try to resist the temptation to patronise me. Adding that to the toe-curlingly self-righteous tone of much of this thread really would make me question our sanity.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 02:23 AM

WOW. There are some sites on the 'net that DO have their stuff wired tight. You have done excellent work, Richard. I am beholden to you.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 02:21 AM

flickr got back to me overnight with intelligent questions.

What an amazing contrast with Fakebook!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 12:25 AM

A friend of mine who has a Facebook account--I do NOT--has sent the following message from me/on my behalf to people who have 'befriended' the fake me:

"Sure, tell 'em. I hate the fuckin' Nazis and as a result of not backing off nailing the bastards the BNP then proceeded to steal the ids of about ten people--mostly musicians--and do their best to make the musicians look as if we support the BNP. Nothing could be further from the truth. All of us have spoken against the BNP, in no uncertain terms, and we shall continue to do so. It'll be one cold day in hell before those bastards make me back up."

FYI

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Aug 09 - 12:11 AM

The shit had best be gone by Thursday.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 09:46 PM

PS. There is however a poster (one I have not noticed before) on FaF who appears to be defending the BNP, and his picture seems to show the regalia of a particular morris side.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 09:43 PM

Martin, that was not the underlying assumption, and your attempt to cling to it is such a transparent figleaf that it does nothing to spare your deserved blushes.

I am however happy to report that for the moment, while Fakebook has not yet zapped ALL of the clones, it has got rid of quite a lot. I also got a fake of me zapped off bebo. Regrettably there is a fake "Richard "Hoff" Bridge" at present on flickr. I do not use flickr.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 05:51 PM

Martin...Your problem is that you dont speak "liberalese"...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM

Martin, answer the question. Is your problem that we might think him the same person, or a different person? Make up your mind.

No, Richard - my problem is the underlying assumption that anyone who votes BNP can't dance.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Lox
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:30 PM

Richards point:


Martin

"More seriously: this comment smacks of another example of using a form of cyberbullying (in this case by deliberately drawing attention to contact information posted for another purpose) as a weapon against those whose views one does not agree with. Pity, really."


This suggests that EmmaB thinks that the chris shaw in this thread is the same as the chris shaw in a previous thread and that she is drawing attentiion to his contact details in order to make it possible for people to bully him.

"Precisely. It is the PRESUMPTION that someone who had connections with the tradition couldn't simultaneously hold pro-BNP views that fascinates me. I have no idea whether the two posters are one and the same - but I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be."


This suggests that she has presumed that they are not the same person and that that is a bad thing.

Which point do you stand by?

My point

In fact both the above points are nonsense, she has alerted us to the possibility that another mudcat identity may have been cloned.

She may be right or wrong, but under current circumstances her observation may prove useful to moderators, to Chris Shaw and also to the rest of us as reminders to remain vigilant.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 04:10 PM

Martin, answer the question. Is your problem that we might think him the same person, or a different person? Make up your mind.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 12:58 PM

Martin as I pointed out, anyone who wished to do a 'check' on any poster could do it as simply as me and may not be as wised up about the state of ID fraud that seems to be the flavour of the month.

If I had been as mean spirited as you insist on attributing to me, for whatever motives of your own, I could have simply linked to the previous post without any further comment.
Frankly I find it extremely unlikely that anyone who wished to post those kind of views (which mimic exactly posts by a series of other 'guests') would also have personal contact details readily availble on the forum; BNP members became very upset when a membership list was published on the net recently.

However I don't feel I have any need to defend my actions to you any more - I have better things to do with my time.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 12:42 PM

Richard

The current BNP poster on this thread - using the guest name "Shaw" is the troll.

The question is whether he is or is not the same as the previous poster "Shaw".

So - he's a troll whether he dances or not? Is that your point? MY only point is that, on the evidence so far, he/she may be a dancer who votes BNP. So what?


Emma B
Let's suppose there's only one Chris. What effect would you expect drawing attention to the location of their email address might have? If, on the other hand, there are TWO - what was the point of doing so - your argument based on the posting pattern didn't depend on it. To put it another way, using your own analogy - how would you have felt if instead of contacting you, the bank had posted a public letter in the local newspaper, complete with your address? With all due respect, I think your original post was disingenuous, at best.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 10:41 AM

Martin, I'm not a 'complicated' person

When my bank rang me up because I'd suddenly, against all previous practice, made an expensive purchase on the internet using my credit card, I was inconvienienced momentarily but grateful that someone had recognized that I had no previous history of this kind of behaviour but knew that such fraud happened only too often

I have no idea whether the Chris Shaw that posted briefly 18 months ago is the same person as the alleged BNP supporter but, simple observation informs me that there is a rash of mudcat identity theft on Facebook (I have been targetted myself) and a spate of guest posting here too (which Joe Offer has identified coming from the same ISP) and that, despite the long running and combatative nature of these threads, this is the first post from that particular 'guest' on the subject - as I pointed out all the previous posts having been very helpful musical contributions!

Guest postings are officially not allowed below the line but nevertheless the moderators cannot be everywhere and different time zones ensure that any Brit knows they have a window of opportunity to make disparing remarks about other nationalities or races which will remain here until attention is brought to them!

I don't think you will find any examples of cyber bullying in any of my posts however for one period in which 'I' chose to post under a consistent guest name only, I had that name deliberately and cynically abused!

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 10:21 AM

The current BNP poster on this thread - using the guest name "Shaw" is the troll.

The question is whether he is or is not the same as the previous poster "Shaw". Your first concern was that he was the same. Now you complain that we say isn't the same.

You can't have it both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 09:22 AM

Richard

Your next line is that she (and I) are, but should not be, believing that the previous poster and the BNP troll are NOT one and the same.


Sorry - I don't understand that sentence. At no stage did I mention or imply a troll. Your use of the term again simply PRESUMES that someone who holds BNP views can't dance. The logic escapes me.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 09:04 AM

Make up your mind Martin.

Your first criticism was to the effect that Emma was "outing" the contact details of the BNP troll (you called it "cyberbullying") - which involves her believing that they are one and the same. Your next line is that she (and I) are, but should not be, believing that the previous poster and the BNP troll are NOT one and the same.

Which do you say is the case?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 08:56 AM

Emma B

Cross-posted!

Regards.