BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 08:54 AM

Richard

Precisely. It is the PRESUMPTION that someone who had connections with the tradition couldn't simultaneously hold pro-BNP views that fascinates me. I have no idea whether the two posters are one and the same - but I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be.

If Emma B. has reason to believe the identity has been stolen, then the person who needs to know is the first user - whose details she has. If the posts come from the same person, then Emma's drawing of attention to it amounts to bullying. If it is not possible to tell the difference, no comment is necessary.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 08:45 AM

Thank you Richard

It only took a click to find out that information about the Chris Shaw whose last post was over 18months ago - as I'm not terribly technically minded I can only assume others would find it equally simple and be tempted to jump to conclusions as it seems some people who post here are!

I think our resident troll obviously knows his way around mudcat extremely well and has no compunctions about stealing an identity that could cause maximum discomfort to an individual who has no history whatsoever of any posts other than helpful musical ones.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 08:29 AM

Martin, SATBYS. What was being pointed out was that there was a presumably real Chris Shaw who had in the past been useful in relation to a ceilidh at C#Ho - so this pro-BNP guest had probably stolen the identity of the real Chris Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 07:48 AM

sigh..........

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 07:39 AM

I presume this is not the same GUEST,Chris Shaw who left an email address and telephone number in connection with tickets for a ceilidh at C Sharp house on a previous thread - it seems the stealing of identities is endemic on the internet

Why? Surely he/she is entitled to dance?

More seriously: this comment smacks of another example of using a form of cyberbullying (in this case by deliberately drawing attention to contact information posted for another purpose) as a weapon against those whose views one does not agree with. Pity, really.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 07:10 AM

CS, Are you saying that the NHS doctors, nurses, care workers, social workers, bus drivers, are freeloaders? What is your evidence for this?

PR, I can't stop people from voting they way they want to. I can't stop racists and bigots from organising, but what I can do and have done on many occasions, is to provide instances of where the BNP have lied to get support, remind people of the criminal activites of many activist high up in the BNP, reminding people of lessons from history of the impact of fascist state on their societies and asking thinking intellegent people if on the evidence provided they really want the BNP to get in a position of power. I do not use abusive langauge like some people who have sent me PMs. On a practical level I work with charities and social enterprises which in turn work with the most disadvantaged people in society.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 07:09 AM

I presume this is not the same GUEST,Chris Shaw who left an email address and telephone number in connection with tickets for a ceilidh at C Sharp house on a previous thread - it seems the stealing of identities is endemic on the internet

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Chris Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 06:45 AM

Allow everyone their view. I voted BNP and will do again. Our local guy is great. I do not agree with government policy in throwing the doors open in the UK to freeloaders. I expect the Tories will do something about it when they get in next June. I doubt if I went to Poland I would find a group crying for my rights !

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 10 Aug 09 - 06:15 AM

" I will do everything in my power" So SPB, apart from sending me PM,s, what other 'constructive' activities are you up in your quest to bring about the downfall of the BNP.
On this rare occasion I too agre with Mr McKenzie.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 05:37 PM

I agree, John - but there are widely varying opinions on that issue.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 04:46 PM

The reason for the on going discusison about the BNP is their attempts to associate folk music, cusotms and heritage with teir cause.   The good people in Mudcat are making it clear that they have no connection whatsoever with the BNP and are citing evidence rlating to BNP's extreme right and criminal deeds, words and activities to show why.

I love our traditions, I respect other peoples traditions, and I will not tolerate the traditions that I love to be used as avehcile for race hatred and neo-naziism. For that reason I will do everything in my power, not to chage the hearts and minds of the bigots who are BNP acitivist, but the herat and minds of those who may be misled by the lies that they peddle.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 08:44 AM

I don't knoiw why this thread is still going, the question asked in the title is easily answered.
They get votes because they tell people things they want to hear.
That's how any politician gets elected isn't it?
All the dumb fuck hair splitting, etc that has gone on on this thread is just so much fucking hot air!
You're giving publicity to the Square heads, leave it alone.
If you want to do something, vote against them, stand against them, whatever it takes.
Point scoring on a parochial, self selecting US based web site, about a UK based phenomenon, is a waste of time.
No wonder people are fed up with Mudcat

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 07:40 PM

Just got my FAF t shirt and badge today.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:18 PM

Last thing for a bit. I will publish An/Fairplays name and address on this site if the Facebook shit is not fixed. I just realized this is a weekend. You hereby have until Thursday of the coming week. Don't push anymore buttons you fucking assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:12 PM

NOW, I will quit this thread. Until someone/anyone gives me reason to return to it.

Open remark to the BNP: FIX THE SHIT you caused Mudcat members on Facebook. If you do not, I will continue to speak the truth about your leader, the various child molesters and other weirdos you have in your party. You have three days to get that done. Period. Until then, fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:09 PM

The legal tracking will be lots easier now.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 05:08 PM

It has taken five days, but I do think I have located the full real name and address of the poster "Fairplay". He's in Nottinghamshire. Next time be more careful, asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:38 PM

"On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate"

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:37 PM

"BNP leader Nick Griffin calls white people 'stupid'
The people who have the brains and ability got out [of London] years ago, one way or another. The people who are left are either the 15 per cent of the population who are happy to put up with it, they're so decadent they actually like it, or they are too stupid to do anything about it. They will vote BNP, but you can't build a movement on those people.

Nick Griffin, The Cook Report"

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:27 PM

"Griffin finally joined the BNP in 1995. In the same year he became editor of The Rune, an antisemitic quarterly produced by Croydon BNP, which he used as a platform for opposing the "modernisation" of the BNP, accusing those who wanted change of "rainbow Conservatism". He also declared that the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren."

From the www.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM

"Bluntly, I am not at all sure I belong in the British National Party.
    "As you will have probably gathered from my Rune articles, my opinion of party political organisations with their primary focus on parliamentary elections is very similar to that espoused by Colin Jordan... I believe that the BNP continues to put far too many of its eggs in the basket of mythical parliamentary democracy... I cannot see why we should waste so much time appealing to dupes and morons [the British electorate] when there is so much to be done recruiting, educating and equipping our power-winning machine.
    "Further, I am not a British Nationalist. I am first and foremost a White Racialist, and second a Welsh Nationalist... Nick Griffin in letter to John Tyndall (November 14th 1994)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:20 PM

"I would certainly like to take up your suggestion of a regular exchange of the The Rune for Gothic Ripples. I have found your series on the NS [National Socialist] Vanguard interesting and thought-provoking so far, and look forward to the remainder.
    "The next Rune is now being put together. Among other articles we have a good brief history of the BUF [British Union of Fascists] by a youngster in Scotland, a major piece of constructive criticism of the BNP's over-emphasis on elections, and a feature on the law relating to self-defence against red/Jew terror attacks." Nick Griffin In letter to veteran Nazi Colin Jordan (22nd July 1995)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:17 PM

What the people say about Nicky . . . .

"Given this uncompromisingly aggressive attitude. I wonder how he was able to work so intimately with Martin Webster. Even by the eccentric standards of the far right. Webster stands out as a fascinating oddity, if for no other reason than that as leader of the violently homophobic NF. he was openly gay among fellow activists. Griffin was one of his closest lieutenants for three years.
    "'Erm,' Griffin pauses, 'it was uncomfortable sometimes. He'd come into the office and put his arm around you and give you a kiss on the cheek and you'd go "Yuck."
"He says he didn't protest because he was busy plotting against Webster. A couple of years ago, Webster claimed that he and Griffin had been lovers - something which Griffin, a father of four, vehemently denies."
Report by Andrew Anthony (The Observer Magazine, 1st September 2002)

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:09 PM

A leader in a crisis. Yep, We ALL want to follow you, Nicky.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:07 PM

PPS If it bugs you, don't open the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

I am going to keep going, sorry. These motherfuckers want war they got it. I am going to nail the bastards and KEEP nailing them until THEY back off the shit they're doing on Facebook or our legal folks can nail them for what they're doing on Facebook. Period. BTW, I don't trust anyone who posts with a guest name. No offense.

Moving on.

A neat little book . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST, Lisa Garvey-jones
Date: 08 Aug 09 - 04:02 PM

Come on Bruce, let it drop, Looks like all their supporters on here and Facebook have gone, and good riddance to them !

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 09:11 PM

Keeping your country clean . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 09:03 PM

A man a nation could follow . . . .to hell.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:57 PM

BNP Policy Committee.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:40 PM

Lemme see . . . and return later with more about the British Nazi Party and their sexual exploits.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 08:02 PM

"Here is the footage of the collett and hannam when they took 14 and 15 years girls back to their hotel room after BNP AGM in Blackpool!"

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. BUT, 14 and 15? Jaysus, guys, can't you wait until they have pubic hair?

What viewers had to say about the movie footage:

KNTFM (1 month ago) Nazi Nonces, liars hypocrites and bastards
CaptainKubla (1 month ago) Urgh. The fucking disgusting NONCES of the BRITISH NONCE/NAZI PARTY strike again. The party of so called "Law and order", in reality a motley crue of perverted Kiddy fiddlers, low life Criminals, and terrorists. How hilarious that Griffin apparently hates gay people, yet failed to sue his former Gay Nazi lover Martin Webster when he exposed their little tryst. Ooooh, chase me Nicky!!! . Fucking hilarious when the fat ugly bong eyed Jabba FLED IN TERROR from some hippies wielding eggs. Bahaha.
green500 (4 months ago) Show Hide -2   Marked as spam Reply Your a low life silkworm. l don't know what u think this will achive or do to help nationalism.
SILKWORM777 (4 months ago) do you support this then green?

collett has been damaging nationalism for years and nothing is done!!!
WhiteLadAgain (3 weeks ago) and covering up pedophilia archives what........

Your the lowlife green500
SILKWORM777 (4 months ago) hey collett! you are not the only one who has access to bebo and facebook lol there are lots of people on there who have a story to tell ...
SILKWORM777 (4 months ago) Both girls came downstairs badly shaken as both collett and hannam demanded sex and they quickley fled the scene.

WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO IS ILLEGAL.

WHY NO POLICE ACTION OR EVEN INVESTIGATION?
lornaration (1 month ago) because they didnt do anything. Apparently when propositioned they said their ages and the bnpers were just like here no.
JohninBasel (4 months ago) Dirty f*ckers!
SILKWORM777 (4 months ago) maybe hannam was promising to show them his puppy boxer dogs he has at dibrid boxers?



Go to Youtube and search

BNP officials mark collett and david hannam in hotel room in blackpool


Se what the heroes are doing at Annual General Assemblies.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 07:47 PM

High five from some pimply-faced teenager.

Lotsa young boys in BNP photos. Makes ya wonder.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 07:40 PM

Out of the mouths of babes.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 07:36 PM

What IS he doing with his left hand?

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 06:36 PM

'Only when fervour gets the better of him does spittle fleck his sharp suits and fashionable ties. His physical presence is unimpressive: of medium height, with a slight paunch accentuated by his bullet-proof jacket, he has dark brush-like hair and small, fleshy features.

According to his jovial wife, he has "never done a proper job" apart from renovating houses, chopping down trees and teaching foreign students English. "I've been the one who has actually gone out every day, working to keep us going financially," said Jackie. "He's spent his time playing at stupid politics. To Nick, it's all a game."'

Fromm the www.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:04 PM

Another--thanks to newsoftheworld.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:01 PM

Happy thirtieth, Andrew.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:00 PM

BNP love of children. It's clear, they love kids.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:54 PM

Gee, note that David Hannam's name is mentioned. He was the nice polite fellow from the BNP who was posting here some years back. Remember how you wanted everyone--namely me--to be polite to him? Hell, he still has a membership, no? But I'm sure YOU'LL be nice to the poor average BNP soul.



'A poster on BNP rebel blog "Enough Is Enough" writes about an incident at the BNP's 2006 conference in Blackpool where Nick Griffin's right hand man and star of Channel 4's "Young, Nazi & Proud" took 2 underage girls back to his hotel room with another BNP member, David Hannam.


Mark Collett - Star of "Young, Nazi & Proud"
"I believe [Collett's] story that he chatted up a girl in a disco who looked 18, and then took her back to his hotel room. His offence was to bring a guest back to the conference hotel room, nothing else! He was quite rightly given a final warning for that, which meant the next incident should have been automatic expulsion. But that's just one of many problems with this whole Collett thing, it seems the rules don't apply to him, he's untouchable. Mark Collett is a nasty megalomaniac, but he's not a sex offender." - Chris Hill, former Lancaster BNP organiser

"With all due respect Chris you were not in the hotel bar when Collett and Hannam came in with the 14 and 15 year old girls and I was and so was Kenny Smith and several others. We all could tell they were underage as soon as they walked through led by Collett and many of us said as much to each other including the barman.

When the girls came back down complaining about the demands for sex it was even more obvious they were children and it was Kenny Smith who persuaded them not to go to the press with the mobile phone footage and promised them that Collett and Hannam would be disciplined by the party.

One of the girls bluetoothed the footage to Kenny and I believe he gave it to security (pos. Martin Reynolds) the next morning." - 'I was there' posting in response to Chris Hill regarding Mark Collett's behaviour and lack of action taken against him. '

From this site.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:41 PM

What he thinks of his people.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:39 PM

What his own people think of him.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:31 PM

"In 1995, Griffin joined the BNP. He began to edit The Rune, an anti-Semitic quarterly. He also announced that the BNP should prioritise denying the Holocaust to schoolchildren.

He earned a two-year suspended prison sentence for his sick views on the Holocaust. In 1998 he was found guilty of inciting race hatred at Harrow Crown Court for denying that the Holocaust ever took place."

From the www.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:30 PM

"Former National Organiser Richard Edmonds was convicted for his part in a vicious bottle attack on a mixed race couple in a pub in East London 1993

BNP supporter Stuart Kerr was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment for firebombing an Asian shop in Chichester, Sussex

BNP leader Nick Griffin was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998

The BNP organiser for Waltham Forest, Alan Gould, was convicted of racially abusing people in a pub in 2000"

From the www.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:28 PM

A 'former' BNP person. See the intelligence in his eyes. He received six life sentences for nail-bombing.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:25 PM

Who says today's politicians lack convictions. The British National Party is brimming with them – all of a criminal nature. "The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence," its website states. But despite claiming to be a party of law and order, the BNP is home to criminals, racist thugs and football hooligans. The ranks of the criminals extend to the very highest level of the party. They include:

Nick Griffin (Party Chairman) Received a two-year suspended sentence in April 1998 for inciting racial hatred. His magazine The Rune carried obscene anti-Semitic and Holocaust denial material as well as crude racism.


Tony Lecomber
Tony Lecomber (Group Development Officer). In 1985 he was convicted on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act, including possession of homemade hand-grenades and electronic timing devices. Sentenced to three-years imprisonment.
In 1991 he was sentenced to another three years imprisonment for unlawful wounding for his part in an attack on a Jewish schoolteacher whom he caught trying to peel off a BNP sticker at an underground station. He has a total of 12 convictions.

Colin Smith (South East London organiser). Has amassed a total of 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.

John Tyndall (founder of the BNP). Six convictions. In 1962 he was jailed for organising a paramilitary organisation. Four years later, he was again sent to prison for possession of a loaded gun. In 1986, he was convicted for incitement to racial hatred under the Public Order Act and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment.

Warren Bennett (Chief Steward). Supposed to keep order in the party yet has convictions for football hooliganism. In 1998, he was deported from France with over 50 other Scottish hooligans, including several BNP members.

Steve Belshaw (East Midlands BNP organiser. Was convicted in 1994 for assaulting a lawyer in his home-town of Mansfield. At the time, Belshaw combined his BNP membership with Combat 18 activity.

Kevin Scott (North East Regional Organiser). Was convicted in 1993 for hurling a glass at a black customer in a pub.

Alan Gould (Waltham Forest Organiser). Was convicted in 2000 for racially abusing people in a local pub. He told the court that it was the drink getting the better of him.


Robert Bennett. A leading activist in Oldham BNP during the 2002 elections campaign, Bennett has served five years in prison for the gang rape of a woman. He has also served seven years for armed robbery and has over 30 convictions in total.


Mick Treacy. The Oldham organiser has five convictions for violence, theft, and handling stolen goods

Darren Dobson. Found guilty of racially aggravated assault at Oldham magistrates in November 2001. Fined £300. Connected to football hooligans in the Oldham area, and has links to the nazi terror group Combat 18

Darren Hoy. April 2002, the BNP supporter was sent to prison for 3 months for racially abusing people as they left an anti-fascist rally in Oldham.

In spite of this imposing list, when pressed by the BBC Panorama team in September 2001 on the convictions of its leading members, party leader Nick Griffin just lied. He claimed Tony Lecomber, his deputy merely had a conviction for handling fireworks. He also claimed that party chief steward Warren Bennett had a minor conviction "some 15 years ago" but had not been in trouble since. The truth is that Bennett has been named in the Scottish press for violence as recently as 2002. Griffin also tried to claim that Colin Smith had no convictions.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:45 PM

""Constipated? Kicked in the stones? Farted? Nickie at work . . . .""

No Bruce! He's just been introduced to his new neighbour, Grigor Wyzhnyvski, and his family.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 01:20 PM

I haven't yet started, Richard, and it's good to see you haven't, either.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:14 AM

Good work Peace.

I have today taken the first tentative steps towards trying to interest an online legal journal in the laggardly approach of Fakebook towards protecting people from BNP impersonation and intimidation - which is given striking contrast by the recent announcement by YouTube of its increased efforts to protect users from abuse. In particular YouTube announces that impersonation and adverse comments are harrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: So why has the BNP gained votes?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 03:51 AM

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=nick+griffin%2C+bnp&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=&start=0



The cabin boy, the cabin boy . . . .