BS: The BNP conundrum

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Royston
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 12:05 PM

Yes, Keith. You are excellent at arguing their case for them. That is exactly what they say. But I am still looking for some sign, presently lacking, that you can actually apply your own reason to this matter and consider their comments, and mine or those of others in some sort of weighing of the case. No rational person could fail to look at the actions of such groups in a critical or questioning light, even if on balance one is minded to give them a qualified benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Of course I don't deny poor people choice and reproductive freedom, I've been on several of this world's social front lines. It's just that some organisations sell some options harder than others, and they do this for their own agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 04:19 PM

Royston, re sterilisation.
Country reports from Bangladesh, Thailand, Indonesia, Mexico, Honduras, Tunisia and Sudan illustrate the activities of IPAVS under a variety of conditions. The evaluation team concluded that PIAVS has successfully met AID's objective of expanding acceptance of voluntary sterilization as a basic component of family planning and health service programs in the developing world. Recommendations in the areas of management, policy, performance standards, voluntary sterilization services, community education and information, physical facilities, equipment and supplies, and relations with national associations for voluntary sterilization and the World Federation of Associations of Voluntary Sterilization are therefore intended as indications of possible future directions that should be considered by IPAVS and AID to take advantage of new opportunities opened up by the increasing acceptance of voluntary sterilization throughout the world. http://www.popline.org/docs/0369/262935.html

Re Galton.
Even third world governments do not welcome agencies in to assault their citizens.
This is a world respected charity doing wonderful work with some of the poorest and neediest people in the world.
If you have something on them, tell us.
Otherwise I think you should shut up.
Front line hero or not.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 06:03 PM

I've been away from the weekend with only a 2G connection. This is grand. Keep digging, Keith.

However, Stopes did (I think, I have not checked) promote one great truth about abortion. It's the woman's choice, and one I have never known from any of the women with whom I have discussed it, to be taken lightly.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Royston
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 06:22 PM

Thanks Keith, you've proven my point for me.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:10 AM

Royston, a truly pointless and pathetic response.
I invited you to tell us what you had or shut up.
You of course did neither.
Why am I not surprised.

Going back to that bigotted, ignorant put down you wrote about me,
"sitting on your 'A' in leafy Hertford, you know absolutely diddly squat about this world. "

I work full time with (ethnically diverse) troubled teenagers from deprived and chaotic backgrounds whose extreme behaviour has put them beyond the scope of mainstream education.
Our catchment area extends down to North London.
I reckon that puts me on the "social front line" as much as whatever it was that you once did.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:18 AM

Richard, marie Stopes was indeed a hero of the feminist movement.
A short biography is here http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Wstopes.htm
An extract
Marie argued that marriage should be an equal relationship between husband and wife. However, she had great difficulty finding a publisher. Walter Blackie of Blackie & Son rejected her manuscript with the words: "The theme does not please me. I think there is far too much talking and writing about these things already… Don't you think you should wait publication until after the war? There will be few enough men for the girls to marry; and a book like this would frighten off the few." Blackie objected to passages such as, "far too often, marriage puts an end to women's intellectual life. Marriage can never reach its full stature until women possess as much intellectual freedom and freedom of opportunity within it as do their partners."

It was not until, March 1918, that Marie Stopes found a small company that was willing to take the risk of publishing Married Love. The book was an immediate success, selling 2,000 copies within a fortnight and by the end of the year had been reprinted six times. Married Love was also published in America but the courts declared the book was obscene and it was promptly banned.

Marie's next book was about birth-control. She had become interested in this subject after meeting Margaret Sanger, a birth-control campaigner from America. Sanger had been converted to socialism, while working as a nurse in the slums of New York. She observed that many women died of self-induced abortions or raised large families in poverty.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:21 AM

Just a little more about her.

After hearing Margaret Sanger's story Marie decided to start a birth-control campaign in Britain. She knew it would be dangerous as several people in Britain, including Richard Carlile, Charles Bradlaugh and Annie Besant, had been sent to prison for advocating birth-control.

In 1918 Stopes wrote a concise guide to contraception called Wise Parenthood. Marie Stopes' book upset the leaders of the Church of England who believed it was wrong to advocate the use of birth control. Roman Catholics were especially angry, as the Pope had made it clear that he condemned all forms of contraception. Despite this opposition, Marie continued her campaign and in 1921 founded the Society for Constructive Birth Control. With financial help from her rich second husband, Humphrey Roe, Marie also opened the first of her birth-control clinics in Holloway, North London on 17th March 1921.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: mandotim
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 03:50 AM

Hi again Keith; thanks again for the reply. I think a comment on the idea of 'voluntary' birth control via irreversible methods might be useful. Looking at evidence from around the world (China might be a good example), there seems to be a sort of progression in how these programmes develop. It goes something like; 'Do this if you want to', then 'We will provide the means for you to do this if you want to', then 'It would be more socially responsible if you did this', then 'Most people are doing this, why aren't you?', then 'If you don't do this there will be penalties', then 'You must do this', and finally 'We have the right to do this to you'. This progression doesn't just apply to birth control, it can be seen in things like the environmental movement and any number of political initiatives. The problem comes when you have unelected agencies involved who lack the breadth of vision and the moral compass; they can run through this progression at a frightening rate without considering the wider or longer-term consequences. Their unelected nature makes them immune from the pressures of public opinion, and other democratic checks and balances don't apply.
I don't know if you've seen the stuff on population growth and economic dominance, but there is a comparison between America and India that makes interesting reading; because of birth rate differences, India has more Honours students than America has kids. Educational standards are evening out across the world, and so in a global economic environment dominated by knowledge workers, there is a vested interest for Western developed economies in lobbying for (or providing aid for) limited population growth in those economies likely to be rivals or even dominant players. Organisations like the Galton Institute at the very least give a cloak of respectability to this agenda, whether they intend to or not. 'Pulling up the ladder' I think is the term used. I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:28 AM

I MAY have a US law firm that likes high profile cases interested in doing a pro bono job. THat's MAYBE.

Will all 'catters who are still being impersonated by the BNP on ANY of the social networking sites please PM me with email addresses for themselves? NB there will be identity checks.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Royston
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:35 AM

thanks Tim'

you are a lot more patient than me, I hope you get the answer this discussion deserves, but I wouldn't suggest you hold your breath.

Keith, anyone with any real experience of racial and cultural diversity in this country or elsewhere and/or with any witness knowledge of what havoc is caused in the third world by 'us' could ever spout the recycled bollocks that you do. For your trenchant refusal to consider even the most patient of debaters with real experience or cogent arguments, I hold you in utter contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:47 AM

Back to the abuse then Royston.
Reasoned argument is not how you do things is it.
You just try to shout down,intimidate and bully into submission anyone who disagrees with you.

It has not worked this time.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 05:14 AM

Just in case everyone has forgotten who we are supposed to be opposing....

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1369/Violent-racist-runs-Penrith-BNP-campaign

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 05:37 AM

SPB. Thanks for pointing that out. Eugenics is a pretty distasteful subject and some awful atrocities have been committed in its name.

However, whilst the topic is cartainly germane to discussion of a bunch of gentic fruitcakes like the BNP, I for one am heartily fed up with the way it has taken over this thread.

Would people who wish to discuss eugenics please do so on another thread?

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 06:11 AM

The problem is that the idea is being promulgated that by Keith that even the "good" eugenicists oppose immigration, and the subtext is that the BNP have a point. I of course disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 06:18 AM

Richard, on 2nd October I asked you for the final time,

"I ask you again
Can you associate Coleman with one, single, discreditable statement, idea or theory (eugenic or otherwise)?
If yes please say so clearly.
No lawyer's weasel words.
If not, listen to Jade and leave this great man alone.

NOW ANSWER PLEASE"

I take your silence to mean that you could find no fault, but that you lack the moral courage to admit it.

Why am I not surprised?

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 06:32 AM

Richard. So do I. The BNP are gene freaks and I have no doubt at all that they are planning to weed out the "inferior" members of our own society.

Indeed, it is my considered opinion that they, along with the other European fascist parties, are jointly looking to finish off the job that Hitler started. IE.,

to turn the whole of European society into a white Aryan master race by eliminating said "inferiors". I for one am not going to stand by and let that

happen.

However, this thread is about the BNP and, by implication, how we can best fight them. It's not about the merits or de-merits of eugenics theory. I can

only repeat. If people want to discuss that particular topic then they can best do so on a seperate thread.

Fraternally yours.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 06:40 AM

Owen, I agree about BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:23 AM

Some here may be interested in this online article about Marie Stopes. That article and 20 letters in response to it were published in http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/5051109/Marie_Stopes_is_forgiven_racism_and_eugenics_because_she_was_antilife/ .

As an American, I know nothing about the political slant or the reputation of that newspaper or that columnist. I'm interested in knowing what posters to this thread think of the article and those letters. For the record, for the sake of this discussion, as well as for the sake of those on dial up Internet connection, and those who don't like to click on hyperlinks, I'll post an excerpt of that article in my next post to this thread. Also for those reasons, I'll post four of the letters-in whole or in part-as well as the letter that promoted this article in my next post to this thread.

My sharing this article and those particular letters does not mean that I agree with everything in that article and those letters. However, with regard to eugenics and Marie Stopes (as well as the other famous persons mentioned in some of the letters written in response to that article), I'll say this:

An individual may be very admirable and very despicable. Also, an individual may be right about somethings and wrong about others. Furthermore, an individual may advocate and do some things that are right-in certain circumstances-for very wrong reasons.

For instance, I believe that Marie Stopes was admirable and courageous in her advocacy for women's rights. However, I believe that Marie Stopes was very wrong in her admiration for and support of Hitler. And I believe that Stopes was very wrong in her support of child labor, and in her advocacy for sterilization as a means of reducing the populations of those people that based on the pseudo science of eugenics, she & others considered to be less desirable.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:27 AM

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/5051109/Marie_Stopes_is_forgiven_racism_and_eugenics_because_she_was_antilife/


Marie Stopes is forgiven racism and eugenics because she was anti-life

Gerald Warner, August 28th, 2008

"Is Marie Stopes really an appropriate icon for Britain's stamps?
Dear Herr Hitler, Love is the greatest thing in the world: so will you accept from me these (poems) that you may allow the young people of your nation to have them?" … were written in August 1939, just a month before this country went to war with Nazi Germany, by Marie Stopes, the "woman of distinction" who will ornament our 50p stamps from October.

Sending the Fuhrer a book of her sentimental poems was an appropriate gesture. This keen advocate of eugenics and subverter of family life had a long career of activity in the politics of human reproduction. In 1919 she urged the National Birth Rate Commission to support mandatory sterilisation of parents who were diseased, prone to drunkenness or of bad character. In 1920, in her book Radiant Motherhood, she demanded "the sterilisation of those totally unfit for parenthood be made an immediate possibility, indeed made compulsory". Her 1921 slogan was: "Joyful and Deliberate Motherhood, A Safe Light in our Racial Darkness."

As a letter writer to yesterday's paper pointed out, her organisation was called the Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress and her clinics were situated in poor areas, to reduce the birth rate of the local residents. Not that Stopes wanted the working class to stop having children altogether. On the contrary, she was also a supporter of child labour: "Not many years ago the labourer's child could be set to work early and could very shortly earn his keep… The trend of legislation has continuously extended the age of irresponsible youth in the lower and lower middle classes"...

In 1935 she was present at the International Congress for Population Science in Berlin, held under the auspices of the Third Reich. On her death she bequeathed her clinic and much of her fortune to the Eugenics Society. Today, Marie Stopes International has nearly 500 centres in 38 countries, performing more than half a million sterilisations a year, and is a major abortion provider…
Considering the hysteria nowadays attaching to issues of race, at first sight it seems extraordinary that Stopes should have earned commemoration on a stamp. To the PC establishment, however, even racist peccadilloes can be ignored to honour a pioneer who helped promote the anti-life culture and relieve women of the intolerable trauma of giving birth to a child with a cleft palate. Eugenic abortion accounts for an increasing proportion of the 7 million "terminations" in Britain since 1967. Poor old Josef Mengele was not eligible for a stamp, being a dead, white male. Perhaps in 2009."

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:36 AM

thats just what i was thinking azizi.
people can be suprisingly thoughtful and right about one thing but still believe in some evil things at the same time.
should or does one cancel out the other?

however, in the spirit of trying to move this thread on from way back then ( sorry keith, i seem to have given up wading, i think i am stuck somewhere in the middle of the river bed, if i move now, i will lose my wellies. lol) maybe we should think if there are any modern day experts who the BNP have wooed. mind you it may be abit early for them to publicly admit it. due to the FACT they are NOT racist or bigoted in any way.

i have also forgotten what date the manchester demo is supposed to be. i haven't seen the news for yonks so it could have happened already.

more to come later when i have woken up abit more.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:37 AM

Letter to editor:

Marie Stopes and the eugenic use of birth control

Sir – I was astonished to learn (report, August 23) that the Royal Mail is including a stamp commemorating Marie Stopes in its series to mark women's achievements.

Stopes was a notorious eugenicist and an anti-Semite who advocated the sterilisation of poor women to promote the welfare of "the Race".

Indeed her birth-control organisation was called the Society for Constructive Birth Control and Racial Progress, and her clinics were established in poor areas of London to control the numbers of the poor.

The majority of feminists ignored her campaign, not because they were prudish but because they feared that birth control would undermine women's rights to refuse unwanted sexual relationships.
-Ann Farmer, Woodford Green, Essex

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3561743/Letters-to-The-Telegraph.html

-snip-
4 of 20 comments from readers of Gerald Warner's article about Marie Stopes:

"Surprise at your 20/20 hindsight vision on this one Gerald -you have been reading too much of the propaganda of the victors
H. G Wells and GBS were both in favour of the fashionable 20thc wheeze of eugenics to improve the racial stock so Hitler had many well placed admirers other than Ms Mitford..
Or in matters of eugenics how about this?

'The unnatural and increasingly rapid rise of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady reduction of the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed uop before another year has passed.'
Adolf Hitler? NO!. Winston Spencer Churchill to Asquith in 1910.

So Ms Stopes is in very elevated company and hindsight is a wonderful gift is it not?
- davidjay on Aug 28th, 2008

**
"The most interesting part of this blog is missing: whose idea was this stamp? My guess is that great population reductionist and father of four, Prince Philip.

There is a slow, bowel-like movement in progress to groom the public to accept the reintroduction of eugenics and enforced sterilisation in the West, which was making such spiffing progress in the UK and US until Hitler gave the practice a bad name.
The movement never went away; it was just taken underground by the likes of Henry Kissinger and the Rockefellers. More recent additions to our globalist elite, such as technocrat Bill Gates, have given billions to population reduction "charities":

Enforced sterilisation is going on now in the Third World but its progress is hard to gage given the media blackout. Few know that Alberto Fujimori's government conducted a policy of forced sterilisation among women in poor areas of Peru. A policy of Western aid in exchange for population reduction by any means is in full swing. I'd be unsurprised if Western incentives are behind Mugabe's strange behaviour in Zimbabwe.

We can all expect to be subjected through school education, the media and Hollywood to slow, insidious indoctrination of the merits and necessity of eugenics, sterilisation and one-child families.

"The present vast over population, now far beyond the world carrying capacity cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization, abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction in the numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary".쳌
-rockefeller on Aug 28th, 2008

**
It is so easy to vilify people who are long dead says Canary Islander. But then it is also so easy to do the opposite.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there are ways of thinking that are of their time or even fashionable. Even Darwin, a gentleman by birth and by nature, thought that the English were the peak of human evolution, and worried that they would be outbred by the Scots...

-hedgehogfive on Aug 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

**
Several years ago I spent a few months in Calcutta.. During that time I visited a home set up solely for rescued survivors of late term sex selective abortions.. In this home there were 152 baby girls and toddlers,from about 7 months gestation (i.e.recently rescued from abortion clinics having been aborted alive) to 2 years of age.. They were extremely well cared for and were destined to be adopted by Western families.. Along Chowringee,a major thoroughfare in Calcutta,and in other parts of the city there was evidence of only ONE abortion provider that advertised and promoted abortion as "Affordable" "Safe" and "legal" on large billboards and posters.. It was "Marie Stopes International".
-the_mahout on Sep 3rd, 2008
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/5051109/Marie_Stopes_is_forgiven_racism_and_eugenics_because_she_was_antilife/

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:43 AM

Does that answer your question about eugenics, Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:49 AM

Er, I did not ask a question about eugenics Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:52 AM

Oh FFS! The Galton Institute is the Eugenics Society with a new name (like the BNP is the National Front with a new name). Coleman is their leading light.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:56 AM

But he and they don't do eugenics Richard.
If you have anything on them, do tell us.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:58 AM

I see Guest Helen B came and went. She is probably the same as the BNP Helen Butcher on Facebook and so is soi-disant BNP. If she thinks that the adoption by the conservatives of a BNP policy (if they are so adopting) makes the BNP respectable or acceptable she is even more barking mad than I thought.

If, on the other hand one reframes it, if her input informs us as to the source of conservative theories beliefs and policies, then it serves as a valuable expose.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 09:39 AM

Owen Woodson,

I confess to adding those posts this morning before reading your comment requesting that people not post any more comments about eugenics on this thread.

While I believe that eugenics (or whatever present day followers of that pseudo science are calling it) is intricately connected to the subject of the BNP, I'll honor your request and I won't post any additional comments about eugenics on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Peace
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 01:08 AM

If the bloody BNP's parents had used conundrums we wouldn't have that trash around today.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 02:56 PM

Okay, so who's been phishing my email? I've just received the following message from the Canadian Pharmacy.

"A BNP MEDIA EVENT
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You have received this notice because you are a qualified industry professional who subscribes to a BNP Media product. If you do not wish to receive business-related offers from BNP Media regarding information relevant to your industry, please follow this link to be removed from the list."

Turns out they're selling nothing more exciting than viagra at an 80% discount.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 07:31 PM

Fred McCormick, and Owen Woodson, there are BNP profiles using both your names on Facebook.

Owen Woodson the BNP member put a friend request to me, and I came within an inch of accepting it, then looked at his profile to find he is a BNP member.

If you open Facebook and go to the false Mudcat (the one with the picture of a mandolin), click on the logo, then when you enter the profile select the discussion tab.

There you will find all the old suspects from stupid Sam to Loopy Leah, and all the little twits in between.

They've put you in there fans folder, and are busy saying how much you are doing for the BNP.

They've got me down as doing free gigs for BNP rallies all over the country, just as I am stuck without transport, and waiting for a knee op.

You've got to admire that level of bad timing, not to mention the mindblowing stupidity of sending friend requests to a member of "Folk Against Fascism".

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 07:33 PM

NOTE TO SELF!

Use spellcheck
DT

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 03:58 AM

Hi Don; I tried to find the fake Mudcat, but it appears to have gone. Good riddance?
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 06:44 AM

I am most definitely not a member of the BNP!

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: jeddy
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 08:55 AM

we know that owen, welcome to the world of being cloned!!!

sorry to say folks that not only is the fake mudcat still there, sam hudson has come back.
now back to the real BNP.

things have been rather quite about them lately, does this worry anyone else?

has anything else been said about their policy court case?

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 06:14 PM

""has anything else been said about their policy court case?""

I don't know the length of the adjournment they got, to prepare their case, Jade, but nothing will happen till they re-convene.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 06:29 PM

Not gone, I'm afraid, Tim.

Log in to FB and type Mudcat (not Mudcat Cafe) into the search window.

You will see a Mudcat profile with a red mandolin logo. It has 23 fans.

Click on the logo and open up view all fans.

Hoff Bridge, Don Thompson, Fred McCormick, Wysiwyg Thompson, and one called Norman Smith which has my home phone number plastered across a union jack.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: jeddy
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 06:36 PM

shit!!!!

thats really worrying don. surely facebook must do something about that. being cloned is one thing, but them, having and giving your number out are two very different things.

i wish you luck my friend.

lots of love

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: jeddy
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 11:51 PM

i am sitting here watching panrama, on bbc news 24.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n6x4f/Panorama_Migrants_Go_Home!/

shocking video footage.

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: mandotim
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 04:08 AM

Thanks Don; it was the 'mandolin' bit that trhrew me! It looks like a Gibson ES335 copy to me!
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 04:16 AM

Jeddy, "i am sitting here watching panrama, on bbc news 24. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n6x4f/Panorama_Migrants_Go_Home!/shocking video footage."

I watched it a couple of nights ago. Horrifying. Who needs the BNP when people in supposedly legitimate authority act and talk like that.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 09:33 AM

Hope Not Hate are sending a letter to the Daily Mirror deploring the fact that the English Defence League plan to demonstrate in Manchester on Saturday. They are asking people to sign it.

Youy can read the letter, and add your signature at http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/s/together

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 02:46 PM

Done.

Times three.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Mr Happy
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 07:20 AM

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 27 Sep 09 - 07:47 AM

So anyone who has any reservations about an unprecedented scale of immigration is "scare mongering scum" and can only have been duped by BNP propaganda.

I do not think that I will join this debate.

keith.

**************

Judging by the number of your posts, your position's hardly credible!

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 09 - 07:34 AM

I did change my mind.
I was drawn in to the debate Mr. Happy.

Was that worth a post to point out?

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:33 AM

Police have reprotedly arrested someone on their way to the EDL demonstration, for carying cocaine and distributing racially aggravated material.

Let me guess. He's not a racist, he's not a member of the BNP, the cocaine appeared on him by accident, and the entire pig population has just taken wing and flown.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 03:07 PM

400

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 06:41 AM

Look what I found.

A fake Nick Griffin.

http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readmessage.php?t=1109113661570#/profile.php?id=1793358901

ROFLMAO

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 07:03 AM

400 again after deletions!

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 07:04 AM

So long as you knw it's fake, nameless guest.

Subject: RE: BS: The BNP conundrum
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Oct 09 - 04:00 PM

Dead giveaway that!

"If you know Nick, add her as a friend"

Or is there something about Nasty that we haven't been told, and is that why he surrounds him/herself with thick ear musclemen?

It's going to take serious counselling to get rid of the mental image of that in a frock.

Don T.