BS: 2012

Subject: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:28 PM

A perfect topic for BS. The History channel has a special called 2012 and feature 6 people who score extremely high on Sphincter scale. The highest score goes to George Noory who attributes everything to God on his radio show. Next is a guy with a terrible accent who thinks the Earth will somehow spin backwards. Several archeologists are on the fringe and finally a former NASA employee Richard Hoagland who believes there is mass and energy in other dimensions along side ours which he calls hyper dimensional theory which makes itself most evident on spining bodies.

While I hold that 2012 is no more likely than any other date in the next 26,000 years to deliver a catasrophe, there are real forces at work that control the spin of our planet which can vary over a long time as well as a very short time.

Basicly 2012 is mentioned in the Mayan calander and BS artists have attached themselves to the notion of the end of the world. There is mention that the axis of the Earth could suddenly change.

Even Einstein mentioned that the precession or wobble of the Earth could change from something as simple as too much ice built up at the poles.

If I may, I too can offer a geniusly simple explanation, the way Richard Feynman might, to see what could happen - someday.

- Watch a toy gyroscope or a top as it spins with a slow wobble.
Eventually it will slow and fall due to friction...BUT before it radically changes its wobble you will see a sudden large wobble and a recovery to a slow but wider wobble. That sudden wobble is like a quantum jump to a lower orbit.

If the toy was the Earth that big wobble would indeed look like the upcomning movie.

Absent from the History channel special are the findings that Siberia was temerate to subtropical 26,000 years ago and the change it suffered happened in minutes. Even the Mammoths were flash frozen in mid chew of their food. Antarctica at one point was temperate but this may have been due to plate tectonics alone since we do not know enough about its early fauna. Then there is a Ductch copy of a millenia old Piri Map which shows the south pole devoid of ice.

So there you have my opinion. A spinning body will reach a point where a big wobble will occurs, but pinning it down to a specific year is totally absurd.






that is unless we have time machines no one has told us about.




PS
Our theatre has two canvas posters for 2012 which are about 40 ft tall and and 22 ft wide. I would pay big money to have just one canvas to create a painting of my own on the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:38 PM

More than you EVER wanted to know about the Mayan calendar and predictions, interpretations, speculations, fantasies, guesses, and just-plain-weirdnesses.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:52 PM

One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Alice
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:56 PM

2012

just another number

(don't we already have a thread on this?)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Becca72
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:24 PM

My own theory on why the Mayan calendar stops on that dates is that they either got writer's cramp and decided to quit, or they ran out of ink...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:34 PM

There are so many different opinions and interpretations about the Mayan prediction that you could fill a very large book with them.

Hollywood, of course, likes an interpretation that's as scary and disastrous as possible, because that presumably will sell a lot of tickets.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:42 PM

In 2012, the Great Pumpkin will end it all by exploding himself and smothering the world in squishy pumpkin innards. The suicide bomber to end all suicide bombings.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Alice
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:43 PM

Good one, Q.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:26 PM

Which brings me to a joke my almost six-years old grandson told me the other day:

Morgan: Mama, what would you do for Halloween if there weren't ANY pumpkins in the whole, wide world?!

Me: I dunno, Morgan, what?

Morgan: Make a jack o'lettuce!

He'd heard it on some kids' show and thought it was just hilarious!

2012...who knows.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:26 PM

Let's see...that's the next Presidential election her in the US, and neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to lose the White House, so the disaster will be whoever is elected.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:42 PM

Revelations will kick in and Ms Sarah and Joe the Plumber will win the election and God will come down and take all the Christains with him leaving the planet to the followers of new administration... The Oakland Raiders will also win the Superbowl... Oughtta be an interesting year...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:54 PM

Maybe by 2012, I'll be able to figure out why we need two threads on this subject....

(I guess Alice refreshed the old one instead of just linking to it. Oh, well...)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:02 PM

I didn't think there was anything to this 2012 stuff than I found out that THIS HORRIFYING PREDICTER OF DISASTER will make its next appearance then signaling the end of the world!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:03 PM

I'm betting that there will be a Constitutional Amendment in 2011 allowing people not born in the USA to run for president and VP.

Arnold Schwarzenneger and Sarah Palin will team up for the Republicans against Chongo Chimp and William Shatner for the APP while Hilary and Bill will run for the Democrats, Obama having very wisely decided to retire into a monastery in Belize.

The election will be too close to call. The Supreme Court will have to decide the winner and will attempt to split the difference fairly by appointing all 6 of the candidates to the office of president on an 8 monthly rotating basis, the order of service to be determined by lot until 2016. The country will go totally berserk with rioting and open warfare in the streets. All troops will be called home from overseas to try to put down the insurrection. The shit will merrily hit the fan in 2012-2014.

By the end of 2014 you will see the demise of the USA as the former country splits up into 4 new regional entities, one of them ruled over by chimpanzees and gorillas. Chicago will become the new capital of American Apeland, and Chongo Chimp will be declared "President For Life".

Schwarzenner and Palin will marry and run Pacifica with an iron hand from its new capital, Hollywood.

Hilary and Bill will rule as the new King and Queen of the Greater District of Columbia and their empire will stretch from New York down the eastern seaboard to the tip of Florida, as well as taking up much of the Deep South.

The smaller New England states will join Canada.

The Southwest will turn into a lawless open range taken over by drug gangs, body-piercing cowboy tattoists, and Texan oil barons who will make frequent armed raids into both Mexico and the former USA areas on their nothern, western, and eastern borders.

Mexico will build a wall to keep the rampaging rednecks out.

Chongo will appeal to the U.N. for aid to assist the first non-specist nation in the world's history. It will be a very interesting time to live through...if you survive.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:14 PM

Idaho will invade Alberta, begging to be taken into the fold "or else." Sasquatch will be elected to lead the new Northwest Territories, which will have war declared upon them by the Northwest Territories -- the outcome will create the North Northwest Territories and the South Nortwest Territories.

Ohio will slide into Lake Erie and Pennsylvania will slide over West Virginia, tying up all of the lawyers in the world in property rights cases for the next century. Rising sea levels will make Tennessee a seacoast, and the Memphis blues will refer to fish, not music.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM

I dunno Guys......All that sounds pretty bad but Donny Most still scares the livin' shit out of me...............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 06:57 PM

Sure, man...but your judgement is questionable. Know what I'm sayin'?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 07:21 PM

"Let's see...that's the next Presidential election her in the US, and neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to lose the White House, so the disaster will be whoever is elected."

Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Sarah Palin. (Bobert, I'm not worried about Joe the Plumber. If Palin is qualified, certainly he is too.)

"One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it." Sinsull

That's a GREAT line

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Stower
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:03 PM

I am in England and have never heard of Donny Most. Someone please explain.

It seems perfectly sensible to me to believe vague predictions from the distant past from a country I've never been to by pre-scientific people I know nothing about, that have contradictory interpretations by people with no evidence base today. Who could argue with that?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:14 PM

Donny Most left me cold, too. Any relation to Donuel?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:40 PM

I have no idea what the Donny Most thing is about or why it's even supposed to be funny, and I don't care.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 08:59 PM

The History Channel—or should that be the Hysteria Channel?—seems to have gone a bit wonky lately. Lots of concentration on Nostradamus, Armageddon, the Mayan calendar, and other pretty woo-woo stuff, intermingled with some good science programs, like the Universe series.

To be specific, that's December 21, 2012, or 12/21/12 (that's a Wednesday, incidentally).

The internet is full of this stuff. Just google "2012" and take your pick from the selections offered.

Saying that the world will end when the Mayan calendar runs out is like saying the world will end when your 2009 calendar runs out at midnight, December 31st. Or that when your odometer ticks over the crucial mile and your warranty runs out, your car will stop running—(Okay, bad example!).

Nostramdus's enigmatic verses can mean just about anything anyone wants them to mean. Not unlike the I Ching (I once had a girl throw the bones for me and look up my destiny in the I Ching. "When the wind blows, the dragon lashes its tail." Umm—Yeah, that tells me a lot. . . ).

From time to time, the earth's magnetic poles do change "polarity." But when that happens, the only way one would notice is that one's magnetic compasses would go goofy, and migratory birds would get a bit confused. Examination of the alternation of polarity in ferrous metals show that this has happened a number of times in the earth's past and will undoubted happen again. But there is no way of predicting when, and unless I was on my luxury yacht far out to sea and relying solely on my compass to navigate, I wouldn't sweat it. This does not mean that the planet itself is going to do a complete 180 degree flip, producing enormous tsunamis, winds, and earthquakes. Sorry!

Earth-orbit crossing asteroids. Oh, yeah, we've been hit a number of times. The dinosaur killer, the Arizona meteor crater, and I'm told Hudson's Bay looks a bit suspicious, as if it was actually formed as an impact crater. And it will probably happen again, but the earth-orbit crossing asteroids that astronomers know about and are currently tracking don't fit the 12/21/12 schedule, and astronomers and NASA are formulating plans to deal with any that look dangerous.

But some of the 12/21/12 doomsayers claim to know (how, I wonder) about at least one asteroid the astronomers don't know about, and this one is real cute. It has a characteristic that is not known among asteroids in general. And that is that it is "ionically charged" and that even if it doesn't hit the earth, it will cause the atmosphere to explode into a ball of flame. Can any physicist or chemists out there tell my how this is supposed to work?

One of my favorites is that all kinds of ghastly things will happen when the earth crosses the "galactic equator" on 12/21/12. Pole flipping, the sun going supernova (it's not big enough to do that), the earth's atmosphere bursting into flame (again!), worldwide attacks of the hiccups, and things to fierce to mention.

There are several problems with this. First, the galactic equator is a strictly arbitrary line, and where it is depends on which astronomer you talk to. No general agreement. Second, a few astronomers do place it about 110 light years due south. So to cross that particular version of the galactic equator on December 21, 2012, first, we'd have to be moving toward it and a fairly acute angle, and we'd really have to be movin'! Exceeding the speed of light by quite a bit. When, in actuality, the earth, complete with the rest of the solar system, is moving toward the constellation Orion at a stately speed of nine miles per second. Hardly a crawl in astronomical terms.

As to the effect that crossing an equator has, if anyone out there (and I imagine there are a few) has crossed the earth's equator, did anything much happen? Did you suddenly flip end over end? Did your nose hairs burst into flame? Did your normally concave belly-button suddenly become convex!? I thought not.

And black holes. Let's not forget about black holes!

I am an old enough geezer that I have managed to survive the predicted End of the World on several occasions. So I'm not going to get into a lather over—

POOF!!

Be Afraid! Be VERY afraid!
Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 09:09 PM

Sinsull-

"One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it."

Well said.

I'm sure I'll be too busy that day to pay much attention. I'll be painting the living room!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:17 PM

""One of these days, someone will accurately predict the end of the world and we will never hear the end of it."

And if things run true to form, we'll hear about it first on Mudcat....

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:47 PM

Yeah, Don, I once crossed the equator. I realized the crucial moment had occurred when...I suddenly flipped end over end, my nose hairs burst into flames, and my normally concave belly-button suddenly become convex!

It was horrifying. I do NOT recommend crossing the equator unless you absolutely must do it for something really important...like attending a Star Trek convention, for instance.

By the way, you can reverse the belly button thing by returning back the other way. Thank God. I don't think I could have lived with that convex belly button for the rest of my life without experiencing crippling insecurity. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 01:53 PM

Thanks to LH Don Firth and Sinsull for amusing and/or meaningfull posts.

The shifting of our magnetic pole is evidenced by clay and pottery which shows shifts of every 60,000 years or so. The great wobble I speak of needs more evidence other than that which could be confused with plate tectonic movement or great impacts.

Early Earth used to spin so fast that days and nights were only 4 hours long. After an impact, possibly our moon, it slowed to 14 hour days. It has slowed ever since due to tidal drag and other forces. The dinosaurs enjoyed a 22 hour day. We continue to slow our spin just as the moon continues to drift farther away by about a centimeter every year. I theorize that as the spin slows there are critical periods of re adjustment of the slowed spin and precession.

Yes I study the behavior of tops and gyros for fun. I was in hopes that others here also have a similar childish curiosity and have also noticed this great wobble just before the spin re-adjusts itself to another lower energy state of a slightly wider wobble than its precedant wobble.











PS
Q was my favorite STNG character. As for the mudcat Q, I have no opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM

I believe the Mayans actually ran out of STONE and that is why the calendar ends at 2012...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:20 PM

Yes, Donuel, I've seen that phenomenon with gyroscopes (the great wobble just before the spin re-adjusts itself). Such a great wobble in the planet Earth's spin would certainly have some notable effects down here, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:22 PM

Y'all are just totally screwed up here. I'm tellin' ya' that the Donny Most thing just scares the livin' hell outta' me!!!! If that fucker pops up in 2012, we're fucked........................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:24 PM

Opie will show and kick his ass and save the world, Spaw... well... your world, Mostly.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM

Who the hell is Donny Most anyway? And why would Opie kick his ass?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: gnu
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 04:33 PM

Just for happier days.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 06:10 PM

LOL @gnu.........."Happy Days" ......a sitcom about life in the late fifties, early sixties. Starred Ron Howard (Opie from Andy Griffith) and Henry Winkler as "The Fonz." It was one of the longest running #1 rated shows when it was on. Donny Most, aseriously mediocre actor or worse, played a character named Ralph Malph. Seth likes to take shots at damn near everything on "Family Guy" and this one just cracked me up.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: GUEST,Falco
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:47 AM

Excellent film, really enjoyed it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:41 AM

well all ,

To be specific, that's December 21, 2012, or 12/21/12 (that's a Wednesday, incidentally).??????????????
What if those number s means something else , we´ll never know .

but I ´ll die when I´ll die , 2012 , or what any other year
I ment to go . I have no fear to 2012 , those who are afraid
should not be , becouse one thing we can be sure about we will all die and we should not be afraid of it .

and why in earth should we , I am britty sure we will go to better
place . Be not afraid to fear , if you do it will eat you alive from inside .

have a great weekend , enjoy your live ,love your love ones, hug them kiss them, tell them you love them, becouse what you have today you may not have tomorrow ,live- its shorter than you think
time travel s fast now a days .

all the best and love to you all , Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:42 AM

I predict that in 2012 someone will publish a book predicting the end of the world a decade or so later, and it will sell in millions.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 11:39 AM

I have it on good authority that England will start impressing American seamen again and we'll have to fight the War of 1812 all over again. This time the US will invade England, England will surrender, and the US will promptly return the country to its rightful owners, the Dutch/Lichtenstein Coalition. This will anger Andorra (which claims the White Tower) and will start what will be called "The EU Spat". Monte Carlo will toss in its chips early and Vatican City will pray that everyone stop it RIGHT NOW OR ELSE. Luxembourg will eventually negotiate the Peace of Grand Fenwick, and England will end up paying and annual tribute of one kippered herring and a single rose to the Isle of Jersey.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:52 PM

You lot over there are just having a hissy-fit coz it's our turn for the Olympics. Just butt out & bugger off!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 12:57 PM

You, sir, are a right tosser and a flamin' bloody wanker as well. Sod off! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:02 PM

Luv U 2 x❤x♥x kiss·kiss

(BTW - we all know what thread·drift is - is there a term for this sort of thread·combo? Or did I just invent it?)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:16 PM

Sorry -- almost forgot - LoL §;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:53 PM

2012 ÷ 4 = 503 U reek a!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:18 PM

2012 divided by 666 = OMG   its towoo its all towoo

30.0210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210210...

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:49 PM

That is scary, Donuel! Quick! Write a bestselling book of prophecy about it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:40 PM

I am embarrased to admit it but in my twenties I divided every major date in history by 666 in search of anything funny. It turned out to be me but as one could expect, some results were funnier than others.

Prophecy is a dish best served annonymously. You can still be attacked for such things today. However the MIT "EGG" experiment and countless other experiments have proven that the larger the consciousness that is involved in a future event the more that info leaks backwards in time. There is something to the idea that consciousness goes against the grain of time.

Just look at Y2K... oh yeah well never mind that. Look at 2032 and you will...umm that one hasn't even happened yet. Oh well I'm sure you have your own successful personal prophecy that lends credence to prophecy....did you hear that? ... see the phone rang.
But seriously,
I make a large distinction between the hoopla of "egoized" prophecy and the notion of non linear information theory which allows for a reversal in time. Prophecy is pure putrid BS and the other is only slightly smelly.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:11 AM

Time may be made of very stretchy stuff.

The EGG experiment is being done in the US and now in Edinbourough http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=178147&start=0

It is a random number generator. What is interesting is that the randomness of the generated numbers loses its grasp on randomness and produces cohesive series of non random numbers right before key events that catch the mass attention of the people on our planet.

The events have been 9-11, OJ verdict (the 1st one) and election nights. Why random number generators become non random prior to and during events that gain mass consciousness is unclear but does suggest that consciousness may have an effect not only upon observations of the very smallparticles vs waves but on a large scale when many minds are involved. The mystery of why a potential energy field collapses to a single point upon observation has not been solved by anyone yet alive. It is perhaps one of the best mysteries we have today.

Theorized control of historic time (a time machine) was explained by Michiu Kaku who said if we take a very large mass and place it at an event horizon of a black hole for a very long time, then bring it back to Earth and set it near its twin that has been sitting on Earth the whole time, we would have a time difference between the two massive globes that could be as much as a 1,000 years apart.

Going back and forth between the two could yield some very interesting results as far as seeminly going back in time.

Going forward and bringing back information may not be the sole domain of futurists and the predictive prowess of people in the future. We might have machines for that. Breaking the time barrier will simultaneously break the distance barrier to the great distances of cosmic travel.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:26 AM

2012 ——— The London Olympics. How many times do I have to tell you that is what is significant about the date!? Just forget all this other bollocks, will you? [And, Little Hawk - just you butt right out this time, you hear!?]

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 10:57 AM

Not much pottery from 60 000 years ago, but the magnetic flip will be a catastrophe when it happens.
Before the new polarity is established, the weak or absent field will not be deflecting harmful radiation.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:19 PM

Don't make me get out the rubber knuckles, MtheGM! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2012
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:21 PM

the magnetic flip will be a catastrophe when it happens.

it has happen before , not long ago either so we are still here .

kv Skarpi