BS: Obama caught in blatant lying

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Peter T.
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:38 PM

Glenn Greenwald from Salon -- one of the few sane voices one can find in American journalism -- in a year end interview, pretty well sums up in strong detail the way in which the Obama administration has locked itself into the self-reinforcing "terrorist war" cycle, now adding Yemen to the list; essentially making the point that in spite of the rhetorical shifts, Obama has become the enabler of essentially all the institutional dynamics of his predecessor --

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/31/glenn

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:02 PM

It doesn't matter much, Dougie, if George Bush is no longer president... What matters is the high grade hypocrisy we are seein' from his supporters... When Bush lied lots of folks were killed... Might of fact, upwards of a million... The bulk of them old people (like yourself0, women and children... Bush also left the country in a complete shambles... Whereever you looked it was like some scene from "Escape from New York" with stuff smoldering here and there.... That was the reality that the antion faced less than one year ago... It is completely disengenious for you and yer buddies to sit back and pretend that this was not the condition of the country that you and yer buddies handed over to Obama...

So, yes, it is relevant that Bush isn't president anymore... And it will be relevant until the mess gets cleaned up...

One of the sickest things that ya'll did was leave the country in a cooked-books scheme to saddle the country with massive deficits no matter what Obama did... This wasn't a childish prank like removin' the "w's" from the White House typewriters... This was an all out Enron book cookin' timebomb waiting to blow up over the next 3 years... What, Dougie??? You consider that honest??? No, it's not honest... And it isn't good governance... It was as crooked as anything that Bush and his little liein'ass accountants could do to the country...

Yeah, when the right wing jumps on stuff that really doesn't matter one bit as if they have discovered the Holy Grail then it smacks of book-cookin' hypocrisy and nuthin' but crybaby sour grapes...

BTW, sorry to all morons out there... I must have lost my head...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 12:53 PM

DougR, please show me where I have ever expressed an opinion about whether or not Obama has ever uttered a falsehood. What you are doing is trying to use a straw man to make points.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 12:46 PM

Ok, Carol, you (and your band of liberal supporters)win. Obama never told a falsehood in his entire life. He is probably the man on earth who has never done so.

Bobert: evidently word has not reach you yet, but George W. Bush is no longer president.

Now, GregF, has been clamoring all through this thread for his snack, so I'm going out in the garden to dig for worms. He needs his nourishment.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 12:03 PM

It is also important, IMO, to add (once again) that the contents of any bill that Congress finally comes up with has nothing at all to do with anything that Mr. Obama has ever said, proposed or advocated. The President does not control Congress, even the part of Congress that is nominally from the same political party, and the Executive Branch neither writes or approves legislation. It is highly unlikely that Mr. Obama would threaten to veto health care legislation unless it contains exactly what he wants - nothing more and nothing less - and it is equally unlikely that Congress would ever give him such a bill to sign.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 11:33 AM

I think that all politicians and Presidents lie/ prevaricate/ distort the truth.

Making the point of "Obama caught in blatant lying" is at face value an attempt to make some point that Obama has proven himself exceptional in this sense, probably meant to be a denigration of his politics. I do not believe that point has been made successfully.

Obama and his administration have a long way to go before they will approach the hem of the garment of dissembling that was worn by the previous regime. I remember 'W''s administration trying to create a department of misinformation for the military which was not just bad publicity but freakin' STUPID (a hallmark of the 'W' years).

But as for takin' turns to pick on thread participants, this is a sign of thread decreptitude. Methinks folks have little of merit to add so them are eatin' their own. It's also a trifle cowardly.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 09:01 AM

Morons all over the globe are taking offense at being compared with Douggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 08:26 AM

Doug,

Its easy to see that Carol has given a response to every point you've made.

Its also easy to see that you've ignored the points she has made.

You assert that Obama's laws don't do what he said they would do.

Carol responds by saying that no such laws have been passed yet so we don't know what they do yet.

1-0 to carol until you respond to her refutation or support your assertion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 08:13 AM

There are alot of different levels of lies... Some are even honorable... Everyone used to say how nice my Aunt Olive looked at family occasions... Hey, this lady, bless her heart, was so ugly that she'd make a frieght train jump tracks and take a dirt road... Now that was ugly...

So let's keep things in perspective here...

Campaigning is all about painting pictures of the way the candidate sees the world in order to give the voters some idea of what they are getting... Some candidates end up purdy close to their campaign rhetoric and other, ahhhhh, no so...

As much as I am a somewhat disappointed progressive with Obama I have to admit that, for the most part, folks knew what they were getting...

But take George W... Much different story:

1. I'm going to bring a new tone to Washington...

2. I'm going to be a uniter, not a divider...

3. Saddam Hussein is trying to purchase uranium for Niger...

4. Saddam Hussain is buildiong WMD so that he can attack America...

These kinds of lies, Dougie, get special attention not only because of the tjhe pathalogical naturte but of the consequences of telling them:

1. The most polorized the nation has been in the last 60 years

2. Two wars and upwardas of a million people dead

Ya' see, Dougie... This is why when you folks who were so supportive of George W - and you were - go around trying to but Obama's sins in the same category as Bush's you arer going to get some major pushback... Yeah, the right would love to bring Obama doen to Bush's level and if they have a million years they might be able to pull it off but, geese louise, right now you can't believe how friggin' moronish ya'll sound...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:30 AM

There is no doubt that Obama has said things that aren't true. Whether or not he intentionally lied is something I am willing to wait to find out. However, the complaint I have with people like DougR here in this thread is that they are lying about a lot of the things they say Obama is lying about. I find that to be incredibly cheezy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:24 AM

The job seems to require lying, if I can go by past history of all the presidents who have been in office in my entire lifetime. The only distinctions about it are...how often? And about what? And with what purpose in mind? And with how serious a consequence?

In addition to that, I will say that all governments frequently lie. If they told the truth, there'd probably be a revolution.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:23 AM

DougR,

On 23 Dec 09 at 12:23 AM, you posted this:

"If you make less than $250,000 a year, your taxes will not increase a dime!"

"Our administration will be the most transparent one ever. Our discussions about revisions to health care will be televised on C-Span for all to see."

"If you like your health insurance you will be able to keep it!"

"I'm going to change how Washington operates! I will bring bi-partisanship to the nation's capital!"

These are not "exact" quotes because I write them from memory, but they are the gist of what our president promised while campaigning. Which of them did he follow through on?

You may not call it lying, but I have noticed from his many appearances on TV that he has a much longer nose eleven months after taking the oath of office than he did before.


On 23 Dec 09 at 01:56 AM, I responded with this:

DougR, of the promises you've listed how many do we know he won't follow up on?


On 24 Dec 09 at 03:38 PM, you responded to me with this:

Can you deny that Obama made the promises I and BB accuse him of lying about?

I did answer this one, several times. If you haven't bothered to read my response, that's your fault and not mine.

Then you proceeded to ask me a bunch of questions about points that I have not made. Why are you asking me questions that have nothing to do with anything I have said in this thread? I would suggest that you are trying to employ straw man arguments and trying to get me to defend things that I have not said as a way of changing the subject instead of admitting that you posted lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 12:35 AM

You know what the questions were, Carol. Everybody who reads the posts on this thread know what they are. So one must surmise you don't WANT to answer the questions I posed. No problem. Everyone knows hi lied.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 10:02 PM

"Whose taxes have been raised because of health care reform?"

No one because health care has not been reformed. A better question would be, "Whose taxes will be increased WHEN health care IS reformed?"

We don't know the answer to that question because we don't know yet what's going to be in the final bill.


"Who has lost his/her insurance because of health care reform?"
Ans: No one because health care has not been reformed.

If the final health care reform bill IS passed, anyone that has Medicare Advantage who does not live in Nebraska and portions of Florida will lose their current health insurance, and THAT'S a fact!

It's not a fact. We still don't know what's going to be in the final bill, so anyone who is making the above assertions is lying.


Now, how about you answering the questions I posed to you re Obama's lies?

Which questions were those, DougR?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 08:49 PM

With apologies to Patrick Fitzsimmons

Turn of your radio, Douggie
That ain't the truth
You've got to use your mind
In these hard times...

Check out:

http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/medicare/medicare.pdf

http://www.aarp.org/aarp/presscenter/testimony/articles/medicare_advantage_program.html

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 08:31 PM

...anyone that has Medicare Advantage ... will lose their current health insurance, and THAT'S a fact!

No Douggie-boy, that's a wild distortion and a lie. You've been listing to those hate-radio bullshitters again, heven't you?

In the first place "Medicare Advantage" is a SUPPLEMENTAL plan sold by several private insurance companies & has nothing to do with Medicare, proper.

You will still be covered by Medicare- that "socialized-medicine-government-run-care-rationing" medical coverage you constantly bitch about.

If the Private Insurance Companies that sell your "Medicare Advantage" plan decide to stop providing them if they can't make their usual obscene profit because government subsidies to them are cut, I suggest you take it up with your private insurance company.

Or you can buy another private supplemental policy of your choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 06:32 PM

Dougie, Dougie, Dougie...

Compared to younger folks comin' along you have nothing to complain about in terms of just what the government provides you compared to what it provides them or will provide them when they are your age...

That is reality... People keep tellin' us that we need to make some adjustments in how we spread around entitlements... Then someone comes along and tries to fix something and the right wing can't scream loud enough...

Give me a break...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 06:22 PM

On the other hand, it ain't a lot of fun to be gone after. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 04:24 PM

Rig I think I've gone after you on at least one other thread, but your comment was meant to be humorous after a fashion and I appreciated that. Please continue to make comments on things religious because I wouldn't mind goin' after ya agin'.

Afectionate ly

rib omatic slider

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 04:19 PM

"If Rig said that, he must have been engaging in some form of broadly satirical humour..."

                  It was meant to be funny, but I suspect it meant something different to me than most other folks. I shouldn't comment on things religious.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 03:45 PM

Carol: I assume the question you posed on 26 December at 12:18AM is the one you wish me to address.

"Whose taxes have been raised because of health care reform?"

No one because health care has not been reformed. A better question would be, "Whose taxes will be increased WHEN health care IS reformed?"

"Who has lost his/her insurance because of health care reform?"
Ans: No one because health care has not been reformed.

If the final health care reform bill IS passed, anyone that has Medicare Advantage who does not live in Nebraska and portions of Florida will lose their current health insurance, and THAT'S a fact!

Now, how about you answering the questions I posed to you re Obama's lies?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 11:13 AM

Tell the monkey to smoke another joint...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 10:56 AM

artbrooks - If Rig said that, he must have been engaging in some form of broadly satirical humour, because he hates ALL religions with a passion as far as I know.

(Hmmm....that's a form of bigotry too, isn't it? Heh! Remember, bigotry essentially means that one is totally intolerant toward other people and their views for some reason or another...not necessarily because of their race or their gender or whatever, but merely for some reason or other. It is total intolerance to others that establishes bigotry...not hatred of some specially flagged group such as Jews, women, Muslims, Christians, Blacks, etc.) In my opinion, most people turn out to be bigots in one respect or another if you just hang around them long enough to spot them engaging in their own personal form of bigotry. That would include most of the people here who rave on about other people being bigots! I would assert that there is a little bigot hiding in the breasts of 99 out of 100 people who post to this forum, myself included. The thing is to honestly recognize this little bigot when it speaks out of your own mouth. If you can do that, you'll be less likely to hasten to label others as "bigots".

Bobert - Chongo is a bit ticked off at you, it seems.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 10:36 AM

Nah, LH... The heat has come off becuase Obama is now beatin' the Repubs to the punch and it's really pissing them off... He is way ahead of them on the guy who burned up his, ahhhhhhh, well, you know... That makes the Repubs mad, mad, mad...

(But, Boberdz... Don't some heads have to roll here???)

Like whoes... Napolitanos... Hey, she quickly corrected her mis-speak without one Repub having time to go into demanding histerics...

Ya'll see... Yes, the heat is off Obama...

I wish I could say it was all to the credit of Chongz but, hey, somethings (horrors) have nothin' to do with him...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 10:36 AM

Reginslinger, if you seriously think that converting Jews to Christians "gets them halfway to salvation", than you are a bigot. If that is not what you meant to say, I apologize for the statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Dec 09 - 10:27 AM

Luckily, the heat is coming off Obama now that Chongo has been caught in about 35 different forms of blatant and quite heinous misbehaviour.

But consider this....Obama may even have paid off Chongo to commit those blatancies in ORDER to take the heat off Obama!

Chongo recently purchased a roll top desk and a whole new set of office furnishings.

Hmmm........

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 10:53 AM

"bigot"




                      (?)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 09:00 AM

(Hmmmmmmmm??? Poor ol' Obama kinda been banished from his own thread, Boberdz... Whaddayathink???)

I think it's 'cuase he's on vacation....

(oh???)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:24 AM

bigot

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Dec 09 - 06:32 AM

Maybe converting Israelis to Jesus would get them half way to salvation.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 09:20 PM

But my hosts were good folks...

I'm curious - what precisely would constitute "bad folks" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 08:16 PM

why can't we all get along?
I once paid a visit to the owner/ operator of the electric powerplant system in Sudden, Alaska. He and his family were an honest group of intelligent borned agains, and I am, trust me, NOT. They took me on a tour of the electric system of Sudden and its sister city, Sudden village, which was an unincorporated area mostly lived in by native Alaskans and not a formal part of the Sudden electric system. Then Harvey had me as a guest for dinner, and put me up on the living room couch. Even after I mentioned at dinner that I was a big fan and defender of "Saint Chuck" (Darwin, that is). And even after tuning in to the Xtian television channel where they were reporting they had a man in Israel specifically to convert Israelis for Jesus, and he woul misrepresent himself to gain their trust, because it was 'for the Lord'.
But my hosts were good folks, and I did business with them on behalf of the State of Alaska and I did not regret trusting them, and when their powerplant burned to the ground due to a broken fuel line, they did not regret doing business with the State Of Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 05:32 PM

DougR, you have avoided my last question. Why is that

Why do you think, Carol?

Douggie can only operate in a fact-free environment.

Why folks continue to give this Village Idiot the time of day is beyond understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 05:20 PM

DougR, you have avoided my last question. Why is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 28 Dec 09 - 12:36 PM

Lox: If your definition of "destroying rhetoric" is avoiding answering questions, then I suppose I would have to agree with you.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 06:23 PM

""uriosities"

You woudln't be taking the piss, would you? :-P""

Just typo induced serendipity FT....Fun, innit?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 06:16 PM

"uriosities"

You woudln't be taking the piss, would you? :-P

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 05:06 PM

Q

It is important to note that carol has been responding to assertions to BB and also to assertions by Doug R amongst others.

I think she is doing a good job of singlehandedly destroying their rhetoric.

Other posts, including mine, serve as little more than frivolous uriosities.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 04:35 PM

Just curious. The number of times the same thing may be said over and over again .....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 03:09 PM

Ah... I see. You miscounted. It was 23 to 20 when you posted. But the question I have for you is, what's with the obsession about counting the number of posts?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 03:05 PM

What are you counting, Q?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 02:30 PM

Unless I have mis-counted, CC leads BB 22 to 19 with all others far back in the pack.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 12:18 PM

I thought the punchline was "Who the hell is (BuShite hate radio jock of your choice)"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 02:59 AM

Thanks, kendall. Glad to see you smile!

Okay, back to the 'Tales of Obama'

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: kendall
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 02:56 AM

The old jokes are still funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Dec 09 - 01:37 AM

A little off topic, but I just got this E-Mail....

Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day.

As they walk, they come across a sign:

"Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world."

"I am entering!" said Snow White.

After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, "Well, how'd you do?"

" First Place !," said Snow White.

They continue walking and they see a sign:

"Contest for the strongest man in the world."

"I'm entering," says Superman..

After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, "How did you make out?"

" First Place ," answers Superman. "Did you ever doubt?"

They continue walking when they see a sign:

"Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?"

"I'm entering," says Pinocchio.

After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes.

"What happened?" they asked.

"Who the hell is Nancy Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 08:48 PM

Ain't that like unAmerican, Capt'n???

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: kendall
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 07:21 PM

Doug, I didn't see anything that I would call PORK in that bill. What did you see? The purpose of the bill was to get the money circulating again. The bankers are doing just what they did in the 30s stopping the circulation of money and fighting the president who was/ is trying to get things rolling again.
They want things to be just as bad in 2010 as they are now so they can regain control and they will do whatever is necessary to see that Obama fails.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 06:50 PM

Impartial? *giggle* Wall Street Journal?

Oh yeah, I forgot.... Rupert Murdoch's impartial Wall Street Journal. Got it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 06:28 PM

Go ahead - gets you a picture of a good looking lady in a blue bikini. Oh yeah...if you link to http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html instead you get an impartial article from the Wall Street Journal.