BS: Obama caught in blatant lying

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 02:04 PM

Kendall: For information on the "Pork" in the "stimulus" bill you can simply Google Stimulus Bill Pork or if you prefer, simply enter:
http://online.ws/com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 08:17 AM

You'll have to wait until Rush tells Dougie what to say, Carol... Not that whatever Rush puts out will have anything to do with reality but that seems to be the way it is...

The "they will increase your taxes" mantra that the Repubs have used going back decades is threadbare and dated but Rush seems to be able to spice it up... The P-Vine was talkin' to here middle son last night... He lives in Georgia now but grew up in Charlotte and has been a Rush-ite going back forever... He says that the Dems want to put everyone in jail for not buying health insurance... See??? That's plays real well with people who tend to be more emotional and less enlightened... That would be this son, in particular...

But back to the question... Yeah, Dougie, maybe you'd like to elaborate on whoes taxes are going to be increased and by how much...

(BTW, given that tannin' booths are *known* to cause skin cancer I have no problem putting a surcharge on tannin' booths becuase we're going to end up paying for the treatment for skin cancers down the road...)

Personally, I wouldn't mind seein' surcharges on Big Macs, Deep fried foods and sugar products, as well... These supposed foods are disease carriers and we'll end up paying for treatin' folks with diabetes, heart desease, etc down the road as well...

(But, Boberdz... Wouldn't that be a tax, as well???)

Yeah, it would and long overdue, I might add...

(But, boberdz... Wouldn't taxing bad foods be targeting the South and Midwest...)

Well, yes indeed it would... That where diabetes and heart desease is most prevailent... Hey, ain't no one holding a gun to these folks making them eat foods that are bad for them...

(But, Boberdz... They don't know any better...)

Okay, that might be the case... I don't care... Might of fact, put another $1.00 a pack tax on cigarettes while yer at it....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Dec 09 - 12:18 AM

Ok, DougR, I'll play your little game. Whose taxes have been raised because of health care reform? Who has lost the health care they had because of health care reform?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 06:34 PM

How about a Christmas Truce...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 06:32 PM

Obama is performing pretty much as well as I'd hoped, and he's doing the job I hired him for. I don't think the title of this thread is justified by the facts.

As for health care, the loss of the public option is significant but not determinative. Laws and sausages are more respectable when one has not seen them in the making.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 06:18 PM

Again, the reason that Sen. Ben Nelson got the $100M for Medicare is because of the screwed up 60 vote system... I'm sure that Reid would have been more than happy to tell Nelson to stick his extortion where the sun don't shine... But because we esentially have minority rule that didn't happen...

I would love to see the Dems get into conference and restore the public option and the lowering of age for Medicare and use "reconciliation" which would take longer but only need 51 votes... I think the American people would applaud that and reward the Dems for it in the midterms and the '12 election, as well...

I mean, using the fillibuster on judges seems to be an old Demopublican sport... Who cares???

This reform is a biggie and deserves better than minority rule and petty partisan game playin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 06:03 PM

Yes, many people don't care for the bills as they are now. Some think they go too far, and some think they don't go far enough. Many people, including just about everyone in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, are terribly disappointed that it seems there will be no public option. Many are also very disappointed in what is clearly blatant favoritism for Nebraska in order to get Sen. Nelson's vote (the section of the bill that is supposedly keyed toward Florida and the other Sen Nelson also impacts several other states). Does the majority want no change? Absolutely not.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 05:44 PM

Those polls are not a referendum on health care reform, Dougie, but how folks feel about our political process, which IMO, is so messed up that it is a wonder the Dems got reform thru at all... I mean, people just get worn out by the Repub's obstructionists tactics, the town hall/tea partiers, the 60 votes needed to pass reform and a mirade of other problems associated with the system...

Heck, Obama could find a cure for cancer but if he had to get it thru Congress before it coud be used to save lives then I'd be willing to bet that what we would see is something like we have just seen...

Face it, our system of democracy is broken... 60 votes, my butt!!! That is minority rule...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 05:23 PM

Doug, the answer is quite simple, it is a FEDERAL HIGHWAY, part of the interstate system that Eisenhower started.
So, specifics on the pork?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 03:58 PM

Well the polls show, Bobert, that the majority of the people don't want either the House or the Senate health care reform bills! (Of course I'm prepared for your reply ..."I don't believe the polls!) All I have to say to that, is keep thinking that way. 2010 should be a good year for conservatives.

Carol: Sigh.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 03:21 PM

Good point, lox...

The old sayin' "Think globally, act locally" comes to mind here... This is where real change occurs... It'a a matter of framing local issues in a responsible and visionary manner so that other folks will see for themselves what puttting that new crosswalk in downtown does for pedesrian safety, or supporting this or that bond referendum that will enhance one's community...

Lotta people vote against bonf referendumd because they have been conditioned to think of them as simply tax hikes... When people know that certain earmarked taxes go for this or that they are more inclined to think community first, me second... It's all about progressives gettin' ahead of the local issues... What has occured with suburban voters is just that... The Repubs used to count on suburbia for alot of votes... Then suburbia found itself under attack by developers and corpoartion interested in only making money and leaving suburbia with a whole lot more folks and strained services... That's when then progressives and Dems started winning Boards of Supervisors all accross the country with smart-growth thinking... Yeah, some Repubs fooled the voters one time with "Smart Growth" slogans but then proceeeded to allow business as usual and they were seen for what they were...

The bottom line is that something like health care reform doesn't just happen... It happens because people change their minds about what is best for them, be it a new school, a cross walk or health care reform... The Dems seem to be outpunching the Repubs at all levels of governemnt because the Repubs just won't get it into their heads that business-as-usual isn't what people, in general, want...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 02:50 PM

BB you can't sit around and wait for Bush or Obama to fulfill their promises. It's not up to them. It's up to us. We empower them unnecessarily.

Carol, remember they said that
Obama couldn't get elected because he was black. Kucinich could be president but not if we enable negative opinions about him.

Almost every president of the US has "lied" at one time another. It's part of the job description given the euphemism "plausible deniability".

When people lose enough jobs, have to pay unduly high insurance premiums, realize that their tax dollars are going toward a futile occupation in the Mid-east, get soaked for prescription drugs and see who are proactive and reactive in politics, then something
important for the country can get done.

So what if Obama, Bush et. al are "lying"? Let's hold their feet to the fire and finally
"speak truth to power". Now Chomsky maintains that talking is not enough. To speak
today must mean to act.

In the meantime, to concentrate on who is lying or telling the truth is beating a dead horse.

There is a culture war going on this country today. Until it is resolved, there will continue to be lies, wars, invective and nothing constructive happening. What's needed today is
honest dialogue, not some rant about who is lying or not.

I keep saying why am I wasting my time talking about things here on Mudcat? It's because I believe there are some intelligent people here worthy of opening up significant dialogue.
We have common interests such as seeing our tax dollars well spent, not being soaked by corporate greed and being able to think for ourselves. We don't want lives spent in
futile wars. We want to be able to have everyone enjoy the prosperity of a country built on an idealism that includes "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Stop kvetching about what politicians are saying and get active.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Peter T.
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 02:47 PM

Oh great, so apart from lying, Obama turns out to be a lying weasel. A real role model.

I am still waiting for a right-wing answer to the question: how do you propose to bring reasonable health care to every American? So far as I have read, there is no answer. The business-as-usual approach is a disaster. Anyone who has read the ridiculous Republican plan (made up for pr reasons) knows that it is a sham. So the only really available answer is: we don't care, we already have health care, we are rich. Is this an ethical position?

The mystery is why Obama doesn't seem to want to pin this tail on the elephant. He lets the right wing attack what he does, and never really attacks back. He says a few unkind things about the insurance industry, but where is the full-throated assault on the heartless failure of the Republican political universe to cope with these huge challenges? In some ways, Obama -- contrary to the original image -- may be a great politician behind closed doors, but a complete loss as a street politician. Where's Huey Long? How this is supposed to get him a super-majority in the fall elections coming up is a mystery.

Peter T.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 02:17 PM

Carol: it is impossible to debate you rationally.

It wouldn't be impossible if you were rational.


Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that currently there is no signed law! You use this as evidence that I or BB are lying. I'm confident that BB KNOWS that the differences in the senate and house bills have to be resolved in conference.

So if that's the case, how can you make the accusation that people have had to give up their current health care because of Obama or that their taxes have been raised because of health care reform? If you were rational, you would know that you can't because these accusations are lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 01:38 PM

PolitiFact looked at this topic the other day, and this is part of what they have to say: We have to say that the public option was not a very prominent part of Obama's platform. ... We were able to find the proposal pretty quickly after looking in Obama's campaign literature, but he didn't discuss it very much during the campaign. That's true for both the general election and the Democratic primary.   If you look for mentions of the public option in Obama's speeches or comments to voters, you'll find very few. In fact, Obama gave a major address in Iowa on May 29, 2007, outlining his health care plan in considerable detail. There's not one mention of the public option in his speech. ... Obama's new claim is, "I didn't campaign on a public option." We will stipulate that it was not a particularly prominent part of his overall platform for health care. But we find that the public option was part of Obama's campaign materials, and that counts. So we rate his statement Barely True.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 01:32 PM

Yes, well...but if a chimpanzee jumps up and smacks you in the face....THEN, my good man, you will have NO doubt about what is happening.

Put a chimp in the White House in 2012. Vote for Chongo.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 01:11 PM

Carol: I'm beginning to believe that you wouldn't recognize a "fact" if one jumped up and smacked you in the face!

Now that has got to be one of the more hilarious - or disgusting, depending upon your point of view - examples of projection in the entire history of the human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 01:03 PM

Kendall: If the highway was in such bad shape, why didn't the state of Maine do something about it? Why wait forty years for the feds to come to the rescue? And the fact that the so-called stimulus bill was a failure is not something I dreamed up, otherwise our economy would not still be in such a mess and our unemployed would be lower than 10%. I will remind you that Obama promised that if the "stimulus" bill was passed, unemployment would not exceed 8%.

Carol: it is impossible to debate you rationally. Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that currently there is no signed law! You use this as evidence that I or BB are lying. I'm confident that BB KNOWS that the differences in the senate and house bills have to be resolved in conference. However, this has nothing what-so-ever to do with Obama's lying during the campaign.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 11:13 AM

This discussion is going nowhere.

Obama has made some serious mistakes. He blew off Copenhagen, bailed out banks, pharma and insurance with no meaningful restrictions.

He is conducting two futile occupations and killing innocent civilians in the Mid-East.

The Grand Old Obstructionist Party has nothing to say because they did the same and
worse under Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: kendall
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 09:34 AM

I guess he smelled the trap.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: kendall
Date: 25 Dec 09 - 12:46 AM

Doug, there is a stretch of highway in South Portland that was 4 lanes. It is now 6 lanes, and there is a sound barrier that locals have been screaming for these past 40 years. The stimulus hasn't worked? Tell that to the families of the operators and the construction supply companies that have been working all summer and are now near the end. Our infrastructure is falling apart while we invade countries that did not attack us. 9/11 was a criminal act and should have been dealt with that way.


You right wingers like to spout off about "Pork" but let's have some specifics. What are you on about?

..while your own house decays are you spending your days shingling the rum sellers roof...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 06:26 PM

DougR, you and beardedbruce must have both gotten your copy pastes from the same purveyors of lies. Here are the accusations you both made, followed by beardedbruce's response to them. My responses follow his. Don't you even read your posts before you post them?...


"If you make less than $250,000 a year, your taxes will not increase a dime!"

NOT according to either of the bills. FALSE already

Neither bill has been passed into law, and Obama hasn't signed a health care reform law yet, so you're the one who is lying in this instance.


"Our administration will be the most transparent one ever. Our discussions about revisions to health care will be televised on C-Span for all to see."

FALSE already

This one is partially true (and so therefore, only partially false).



"If you like your health insurance you will be able to keep it!"

FALSE already

Since neither bill has been passed into law, and we don't know what the final bill will look like, and since Obama hasn't signed any health care reform law yet, you're the one who is lying in this instance as well.


"I'm going to change how Washington operates! I will bring bi-partisanship to the nation's capital!"

FALSE already

You're the one who is lying in this instance as well, since one of the problems that many of us have with the current bills before both houses is that Obama went much too far in trying to have a bipartisan bill. He gave away much of what his base wanted in order to court Republican votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM

Sorry,
I was quoting from a liberal collumnist. I guess that is a sure way to get lied to.

"Washington Post

A health-care victory that stinks

By David S. Broder
Thursday, December 24, 2009 "

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 06:01 PM

I would say 'don't confuse him' but upon further reflection I remember: concrete doesn't absorb nutrition.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 06:00 PM

The criticism over here in the UK of Obama iis that he lacks backbone, because he panders too much to the repubs and misguidedly indulges the idea that they can be persuaded to engage in politics in a mature way.

Those who disagree tend to say that he is in fact courageous for not employing their tactics pushing ahead without listening or thinking.

The idea that he hasn't listened to the repubs is one from la la land.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 05:48 PM

Does any rational individual (which clearly excludes one or two posters on this thread) really think that the President controls what Congress does? Does anyone really think that he has (or should have) the power to require Congress to delay votes on bills or amendments?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 05:32 PM

"But even those Republicans who were initially inclined to do that -- and there were at least a handful of them -- were turned away by the White House and the Senate Democratic leaders, who never lifted their sights much beyond the Democratic ranks.

Forced to bargain for every vote among the 60 in his caucus, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did what he usually does: He reduced the negotiations to his own level of transactional morality. Incapable of summoning his colleagues to statesmanship, he made the deals look as crass and parochial as many of them were -- encasing a historic achievement in a wrapping of payoff and patronage.
"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 05:27 PM

Carol; I assume you're writing that you had addressed all of the lies I pointed out that Obama said in your post of 5:40PM December 23rd.

If simply saying "false" to what I posted is your idea of replying so be it. So I'll approach it in a different way.

Did Obama make it possible on CSpan for Americans to watch the debate on health care reform?

Did Obama refuse to sign the so-called stimulus bill because it was laden with pork?

Did Obama refuse to sign the recent Budget bill because it was laden with pork?

A new one: Did Obama have bills under consideration (any bills not just health care reform) posted on the Internet several days before they were voted on so that all interested parties could read them as he said he would doing during the campaign?

Will citizens earning less than $250,000 have their taxes increased if either the House or Senate bill or the compromise of the two becomes law?

If either bill or the compromise of the two becomes law will I be able to continue using Medicare Advantage?

Name one effort Obama made to include Republicans in Health Care Reform discussions.

It is common knowledge to anyone who stays abreast of the real news that the bills being considered were drafted behind closed doors with no Republicans allowed in the room. The one exception was the Finance Committee chaired by Max Bacus and one Republican on the committee, Olympia Snow, did vote with the Democrats. She did not vote for the bill when it came before the Senate nor did any other Republican (Thank God!).

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 05:15 PM

100

boo!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 05:12 PM

It is unfortunate that we won't have "ObamaCare", as originally envisioned by the President, rather than the alternative that the Congress has come up with. Of course, for the benefit of those who aren't listening, there are currently TWO very different bills that have yet to be reconciled and a compromise version approved by the House and Senate (which is far from assured).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 04:11 PM

I've already answered that one twice. Read the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 04:10 PM

Carol: Which of those I listed has he NOT done?

McGrath: for an interesting insight into what we in the US are in for with Obama Care, I would suggest you read a opinion piece in today's edition of The Wall Street Journal titled, "What Doctors and Patients Have to Lose Under ObamaCare," by Dr. Scott Gottlieb, an internist and resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He is a former senior official at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and is a partner in a firm that invests in health-care companies.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 03:55 PM

DougR, of the ones you listed before (which didn't include the one about pork), he has not done what you are accusing him of doing or having done (or not done) in at least three of them and one he has only partially done or not done. You can't hide your falsifications by changing the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: DougR
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 03:38 PM

Carol: I'm beginning to believe that you wouldn't recognize a "fact" if one jumped up and smacked you in the face!

Can you deny that Obama made the promises I and BB accuse him of lying about? Another one: "I will not sign future bills into law if they are loaded with pork." What a laugh. Check the pork in the so-called stimulus bill (that has stimulated nothing!) Check the soon to be law health care overhaul bill. Of course I guess many of you see nothing wrong with buying votes as Harry Reid did. I didn't hear Obama proclaim that he wouldn't sign a bill with such shenanigans in it. Quite to the contrary, he would sign it if the bill required him to send Michele back to Chicago for the duration of his term in office.

McGrath: your question about whether or not passage of the bill would mean that some people would lose the health insurance they have now. Damn right it will. Ask any senior citizen of which there are hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) who have Medicare Advantage if they are going to get to keep their plan. Unless you live in Florida you WON'T! Harry Reid bought Senator Nelson's vote (of Florida)by allowing folks who reside in that state who are on Medicare Advantage to keep their insurance but those who have the plan in all other states are SOL.

Doug

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 01:35 PM

Bobert,

If you wanted you could say Functionally illiterate.

That is true.


And a major handicap for a political executive ...

... how's he meant to have any idea of context, either historical or financial, or any understanding of the job he is meantr to be doing if he can't even string a coherent sentence together.

Some people call this attitude snobbish.

Some medical practitioners have no qualificationsa and no licence.

If they are caught they go to Jail.

Yet a moron like Bush is allowed to have executive power over the lives of millions of people.


Obama is simply cleverer, better informed and a nicer guy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 01:32 PM

Yes, but if he is bought and paid for, it's by the people who don't want health care reform of the sort that progressives want. Which means he is bought and paid for by the people who are on your side of the health care debate, beardedbruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 01:02 PM

"Obama: Bought and paid for."


Your logic leaves a lot to be desired, bb... there are no such implications in an analysis of his contributions. If you insist, though, we can extend the analogy to....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: kendall
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 12:52 PM

National health care works in the UK and it could work here if we could get the profiteers off our backs.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 12:47 PM

"The right wing also happens to be the loudspeakers for the corporations "

Oh??

Just look at the funding for Obama in the election- MOST of what he got was from corporations, Unions, and the wealthy.

Yes, he did get more in "small" contributions than McCann- but he got a LOT more in actual dollars from all those special intersts that supposedly control ( only) the Republicans.



Obama: Bought and paid for.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 10:15 AM

After 8 years of defending a retard their debating skills outta be sharp as a pin...

(There you go again, Boberdz, usin' the "r" word...)

Okay, not a retard... Mentally challenged... That any better???

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 09:34 AM

Sawzaw and Bruce give shining examples of the brilliant thinking so crucial to Republican "governance". The pinnacle of their rhetoric seems to be a variation of the child's game "I know I am but what are you?"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 09:29 AM

Relax everyone.

Go back to what started this thread.

These notes are the evidence that Obama CAMPAIGNED on a public option? Have a look at what is in quotes and what isn't on the first one. Have a look at the dates for the rest. Note that the campaign ended Nov 2 2008. Relax everyone and keep in mind that Dailykos blog isn't exactly an unimpeachable source.

    In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign's website, candidate Obama promised that "any American will have the opportunity to enroll in [a] new public plan." [2008]

    – During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges "needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market." [6/15/09]

    – While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that "any plan" he signs "must include...a public option." [7/17/09]

    – During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues "to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go." [7/20/09]

    – Obama told NBC's David Gregory that a public option "should be a part of this [health care bill]," while rebuking claims that the plan was "dead." [9/20/09]

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 09:23 AM

Bush never tried bi-partisanship... From day one he came in with his right wing guns a'blazin'... I will give him credit for keeping one promise, that is... Bush said he would change the tone in Washington and he sho nuff did...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 09:17 AM

That's hardly true. The Democrats caved to pretty much everything that Bush wanted to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 09:13 AM

Amos is, of course, completely free to say anything, true or not, that will spread around his bitterness and acerbiv dislike about all things Bush. And likely to do so, as well.

But that does not make his statements judicious, even-tempered, fair-minded, or accurate.

The great tragedy of Bush's promise of bi[partisan process is that when he tried it he got mugged by bitter minded naysayers and mindless obstructionists who would rather do anything than improve conditions for the nation

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 08:55 AM

Politics without compassion is tyranny.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 08:50 AM

The right wing will never be happy, lox... They have been reduced to whiners, sceamers and crybabies...

Hey, sour grapes are just that.... Sour...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 08:47 AM

Oh yes ...

an interesting qoute ffrom the article I linked ...

"The House version still includes a public option and also differs on how to pay for the reform."

how very interesting ...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Lox
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM

Well whatever criticisms you may lay at Obama's door, he is the first president in history to do anything like this ...

   
... click here ...



Why does this make some Americans so angry?


Seems like they really resent having to think of anyone less fortunate than themselves.


What a ridiculous farce it is that the peple who didn't want a public option are the ones who are complaining that they didn't get it.

The rest are thankful that they got something and that the people who wanted to keep it from them didn't destroy it for a change.


Well I'm sure it will be the first thing to go in the next republican administration.


BB will be happy then.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama caught in blatant lying
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Dec 09 - 08:29 AM

Well, to be fair... Look, folks, it's politics... The right wing also happens to be the loudspeakers for the corporations and the corporations have corraled all the wealth in the country so they use their stockpiles of money to hire/support all kinds of right winged think tanks that hire people that do nothin' but go to work every day and scour the newspapers and other sources for stuff to make Obama look bad... That, believe it or not, is al these people are hired to do??? And they do it well... I mean, if they don't then the 4righties will find someone else to dig deeper...

It reminds me of a college professor I had... I think it was biology but I wpouldn't swear to it... Anyway, there are these micro-organisms that live on our skin... Blown up under a microscope they look like stuff outtta Star wars... Purdy ugly sumabiches... Anyway, the point is if you were to take any person you know and remove everything but these nasty critters and that was all you could see you would still clearly recognize the Joe, or Jill or even Marylin Monroe... The point is that under a microscope things aren't quite as pretty and if you dig and dig and dig, sho nuff, this is what you find... Alot of little micro-organisms...

I mean, lets get real here for one minute... Obama ain't blown a million people like Bush did and that don't take no microscope to see...

You Obama haters have at it... Yer really looking quite foolish here... Like who cares about a public option compared to tax cuts to the wealthy which crippled the US economy or the bombing of kids???

I mean, let's keep some level of perspective here, folks...

B~