BS: Palin sips tea tonight

Subject: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:49 PM

Sarah speaks at the Tea Party tonight.
9:00PM, Eastern time.

Way up in old Alaska,
Born lovely as a rose;
Lass of twinkling eyes,
Oh! My heart she frose.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Alice
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:53 PM

Tea? I thought she was serving Kool-aid.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 05:37 PM

Oh! My heart she frose.

She must be one of God's frozen people.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 05:49 PM

In the jungle, the political jungle
The Palin sips tonight

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:14 PM

A hundred thousand is the price of her soul
Happily she takes it and promises to return
And the people, ignoring her habits of old,
Applaud, unknowing, uncaring, their fingers will burn

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:23 PM

And my perdictshun fer the next erection is ---

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 07:03 PM

Their fingers are already so badly burned that they have lost all sensitivity.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 07:50 PM

"Palin sips tea tonight"

But, will she keep her pinkie in the air?

I sat next to Sarah at tea
It was just as I thought it would be
Her rumblings abdominal
Were simply abominable
And everyone thought it was me

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:31 PM

hohoho lol

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:53 PM

Will the Tea Party Movement finally break Washington out of dead-lock?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:56 PM

Maybe not. However, a good bowel movement . . . .

PS: Eb, that's not my limerick--wish it was. The original first line is

"I sat next to the duchess at tea"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:46 PM

Oh, well, it's a good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 02:25 PM

Not a bad start for Palin. Despite her rather surprising pick by McCain, she still had some of the boonies pasture smell. She has moved to Middle City and her keynote for the Tea Party has moved her closer to the power brokers she needs.

The Democratic party has frittered away gains made among fickle independents; Palin will hammer away at the Dems but I don't think she has the ability to go all the way.

Scott Brown probably will be the new voice of the Republican resurgence.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 02:40 PM

I suspect the mainstream media would do the same thing to Scott Brown that they did to Palin. The Republicans would do better if they stayed with somebody like Mitt Romney or even Gingrich if they really want to be sucessful--IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 02:43 PM

Democrats are, of course, praying for a major split in the Republican party - and they might just get one.

I watched the speech - as expected - long on rhetoric, short on specifics and solutions.

Scott Brown is pro-choice. Unless he is somehow able to convincingly mediate his position, which will be difficult, he is toast from the git-go as a GOP presidential possibility, unless, of course, the 'pro-lifers' all go for Tea, leaving the Republicans to adopt a more pragmatic position on the issue.

But even in that unlikely scenario, he would be splitting the conservative vote with the Tea candidate.

It looks good for the Dems in 2012, though I would not be surprised if the candidate turned out to be someone other than the incumbent.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:07 PM

Dunno, but I think the Democrats have lost credibility with the middle America voter.

Unfortunate that Hillary Clinton, who knows how to mediate, was not the 2008 candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:16 PM

Dunno, but I think the Democrats have lost credibility with the middle America voter.

Perhaps, but that's because the middle American voters are impatient and fickle. The credibility will return if the ecomony improves, which it might, significantly, before the fall election.

Unfortunate that Hillary Clinton, who knows how to mediate, was not the 2008 candidate.

She would have been my candidate also, and in the event of an Obama meltdown, she is available for 2012.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:06 PM

It seems to me it would be hard for her to extract herself from the Secertary of State office, and then run against Obama for the nomination for 2012. I like Hillary too.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:21 PM

That's just great...

The Tea Party and Ms. Sarah are a match made in Heaven...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:10 PM

In the jungle the mighty jungle the liar sleeps tonight.

The original song was written by Neil Sedaka.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 08:59 PM

Cartoons I made just in case, that were never used...

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/obamapoker.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/don/palin_art2.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/moose3.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/PalinPilot.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:09 PM

1) If you mean "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" was written by Neil Sedaka--that's dead wrong--and there are long threads on Mudcat about that topic.

2) Hillary "knows how to mediate". Sorry, that's completely meaningless.   So does President Obama.   The parties have to want to compromise.   If you think these factions do, you are to say the least, naive.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Beer
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

I hate to shit on the party but this just came to me. Palin in 2012? She Says Run Is Possible.
New York Times
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

"...you are, to say the least, naive."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:17 PM

"Run in 2012".    I have indicated this many times before.   And it could work for her--as I also pointed out.    The primaries are set up to reward passion--and that means Palin.   And the economy and war situations--especially the economy-- have to improve drastically--or President Obama has serious problems--from any Republican. Including Sarah.

Mudcatters' scorn for her has remarkably little significance.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:21 PM

Of course, she didn't actually say the words: "A run for President in 2012 is possible..." What she said is that it "would be absurd" for her to say at this point that she won't run for President in 2012.

And of course, again, she is right. A stopped clock, etc, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 11:15 AM

The problem, as I've indicated in earlier threads, is that primaries reward passion. The top two issues in Republican primaries these days are 1) abortion and 2) gun rights.   There's no question who of the current Republican field has the anti-abortion issue locked up tight. The only one who has "walked the walk":   Sarah.   Similarly, who's the poster girl of the NRA: Cheney?

Mudcatters had best start taking Sarah seriously.

And don't blithely assume that if she gets the Republican nomination it will be a cakewalk for President Obama or any other Democrat. If the economy and war situations don't improve drastically--especially the economy--President Obama (or any other Democrat) will have big problems.

One of the ironies of this is that the one thing some Mudcatters and others on the Left could do to weaken Sarah is the thing they are least likely to do:   stop trashing religion, and stop pushing for politically poisonous ideas like homosexual marriage.   Both of these bring out the rightist crazies in greater numbers than anything else.   As Mudcatters could have seen in 2004.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 11:49 AM

Good post Ron.....Unfortunately these "fringe" issues are what definite modern "liberal" democrats

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 01:42 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come. The independents are fickle, as pointed out above; they also look for simple solutions. They are worried about their pocketbooks, and Obama has done nothing to re-assure them. Add the 'rightists" as Ron calls them and the makings of a majority are there.
Loss of more seats in the coming Congressional election is a given, and unless Obama can perform a miracle or two, the Republicans could regain the White House in 2012.

Ron, my "mediate" was an unfortunate word; compromise is needed but setting up the 60 against the rest meant that the lines were drawn and reason would not prevail.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:17 PM

Loss of seats in the first midterm of a president's first term is 100% guaranteed.

Look for the Tea "Party" to push every moderate Republican -- especially Scott Brown -- to the sidelines of, or all the way out of -- the Republican party. I don't look for them to put up their own candidate for 2012, but throw their lot in with -- and most likely coopt -- the GOP.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 04:26 PM

Of course the Tea Party base is looking to influence the Republican Party; how much influence they will have will depend on their ability to hold the members.
How moderate Brown will be if he becomes a candidate for the nomination is questionable; if he is serious about running, he will change to attract a maximum of supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:45 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come.

God help us.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:25 PM

The Tea Party itself so far is a focus for those who want to limit federal Government powers, limit government spending, and limit policy change.
Its weakness is the lack of a program to bring about these objectives, based on middle class fears.
If the Republican Party can propose a program based on these fears of federal centralization, they will get the votes of the angered and disaffected who are attracted to the Tea group.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:03 PM

Limit government spending except for the military. Whose excesses didn't even raise their eyebrows under Bush. Which makes some liberals wonder what they REALLY want, since what they say they want so clearly isn't.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:08 PM

The Tea Party is the harbinger of things to come. The independents are fickle, as pointed out above; they also look for simple solutions.

Mudcatters had best start taking Sarah seriously.

Guys (or guys and gals), the Tea party's problem is that it hasn't presented ANY solutions, easy, difficult, or anywhere inbetween. Ms. Palin certainly didn't present any in her speech - nothing but empty rhetoric.

She is such a ninny she wasn't even able to handle the governorship of Alaska - she resigned amid mounting scandals.

My own lifetime is filled with a succession of "populist revolution" candidates - Henry Wallace, George Wallace, Gene McCarthy, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Ross Perot, regardless of your opinion of their politics, every single one of them with more intelligence in his little finger than Sarah Palin has between her ears.

Take her seriously? That's a good one! I gotta say, though, I hope she runs on a third party ticket, that will split the conservative vote and assure a Democrat victory in 2012.

But all that having been said, it's still the economy, first ands foremost.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:37 PM

"If the economy and war situations don't improve drastically--especially the economy--President Obama (or any other Democrat) will have big problems."

What the Dems HAVE to do, and soon, is nail the Republicans--without mercy--regarding the debt they (the Dems) inherited. I think that any reference to Palin would be very counter-productive.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:41 PM

The movie scene this whole thing reminds me of is from "BCATSDK". Newman has to fight this big sonuvagun who draws a Bowie knife the size of New Hampshire. Newman says to him, "Let's decide the rules first." The guy answers, "What? Rules in a knife fight?" Newman then gives him a seriously hard kick in the stones. As the guy begins to crumble, Newman says, "OK. If there's no rules, let's get the fight started." The Dems are pussycats compared to the Republicans at playing dirty. It's time they learned, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:58 PM

The Mayan calendar predicts an end to the world as we know it in 2012. Did they foresee Palin?

Ring, the media didn't do anything to Palin, she hung herself for being an air head who couldn't answer the simplest questions.

I suppose she could get the republican nomination, Warren Harding got it and he was another witless flange head.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:22 PM

Seems to me the nation should have learned that voting for someone who is too dumb to run for dogcatcher and can only push buttons with borrowed rhetoric is BAD for the nation and the world. It isn't like it was very long ag--around 2000 I think--and surely responsible citizens can remember that far back...what? Oh. Well, never mind then.



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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:26 PM

Here is another sample of her coherence:

(At the Tea Party Caucus) "Palin urged the crowd to support Perry's conservative policies and gave a speech filled with comparisons between her home state and Texas. "Washington is broken. But your state under Governor Perry's leadership is setting an example that really a whole lot of other people now want to start following. And, as they say, if it ain't broke, why fix it?" Palin said.

And a blogger responded:

"She's kidding, right? A brief glance at any recent statistics shows that Texas rates at or near the bottom nationwide in terms of health coverage, crime rates, education and childhood poverty.

"As a Texan, I'm really offended at some Alaskan moron coming to my state and telling me how it is, especially when none of her assertions are based in reality."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:12 PM

Yes, take her seriously. As a whole lot of people did not take Reagan or GWB seriously. And lived to regret it.

As I've noted earlier, her chosen trajectory is that of Reagan.    And we'd best hope--and try to ensure as best we can in our small ways--that the run-up to to 2012 does not resemble that to 1980.

And I've already noted one of the obvious ways that Mudcatters and others left of center can try to defuse Sarah. Not that people left of center are likely to take this advice.

The other way I've also noted--question is whether it's too late now. Those who pushed hard for the public option should have realized their best chance was Olympia Snowe's "trigger".   Among other things that would have brought her on board the health care reform process--at a time she was being called a "traitor" to her party by zealots within it. Who knows, maybe she would have switched parties if given a better reception to her "trigger" suggestion.

Now the best chance is pushing your Representatives to pass the Senate bill as is--and with every day that becomes less and less likely.

And it becomes more and more likely that this Congress will in fact be tagged as a "do-nothing Congress."   With predictable results in the fall.

As David Plouffe has pointed out, the Republicans will hang Democrats for the health care reform plan--whether or not the Democrats now pass it. So:   "...hanged for a sheep as for a lamb".

It seems clear that some conservative Democrats will not accept the"nuclear option". It's the liberals--including the unions--who have to accept the Senate bill as is.   And so far, there's no indication they will. Partly since they have not heard from constituents--like
American Mudcatters-- that they should.

And, what's more, they have to pass the health care bill soon--so that Congress can get back to a direct assault on the economic slump, while having something they can claim as an accomplishment.   After all, does anybody think that the Congress elected this fall will be any more amenable to progressives' wishes?    If so, I have a bridge to sell them.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:34 PM

And if you think Sarah will present herself as a wacko religious airhead, think again.   Even a Mudcatter--and one not on the Right--has said that listening to her on one program, she sounded sensible.   She will be well coached to do that--and by then she will have learned that after winning your party's nomination, you play toward the center.

As one poster has noted, our best chance is that the "Tea Party" splits off from the Republicans.   History of third parties does not support this.   Unless the "Tea Party" supporters are so turned by intra-party squabbles--before the primaries-- that they refuse to support Republicans, the "Tea Party", like so many others, will be co-opted.   In fact if Sarah is the nominee, the Tea Party won't have to make many compromises.

Also, don't forget that it's independents who really hold the whip hand. And they of course are not tied to any party.   If they are impressed with Sarah--for whatever reason, regardless of whether we think it's drivel--the Democrats have problems.

And if the economy is still in the doldrums in 2011-2012, it's painfully obvious what the main Republican mantra will be:   "Change".    Sound familiar?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:54 PM

"...turned off by intra-party squabbles..."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

...if you think Sarah will present herself as a wacko religious airhead...

IF?? WILL?? She has done from the first.

Simple Seeker's talking to himself again and impressing himself mightily. But then, he's been the star in his own home-produced movie for a long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 10:47 PM

Greg F, I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter. Surely we can use all the voices and opinions we can conjure?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 02:44 AM

sensible

?


"If we attack Iran like most Americans want, well then the country would be united again and we would have reason to be proud again!"


naw, she ain't sensible.

If we need to point to the last absolute US American military invasion victory we would have to go all the way back to Reagan and the gret victory over the country of Grenada.


Was our Panama war a success? We did capture Noreiga but Chania bought the canal. The Persian Gulf war left Saddam in power.
Iraq is not mission accomplished and neither is Afghanistan Uzbekistan pakistan Somaali and the rest.

Hail Grenada, our last great VICTORY!

that is, until the military genius of Sarah Palin might lead the way to wiping Iran off the map.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:33 AM

Obama to Palin???..What is this ? The changing of the guard? One celebrity for another?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:42 AM

The Tea Baggers Credo: THE ONLY ENEMY OF REAL GOD FEARING AMERICANS IS THE Unconstitutional control and spending of Big Goverment.


Waking up America and understanding common sense.

Obama will lead you to enslavement and extermination just as we have seen tyrants in history attack their own people during times of economic hardship. Never mind if he is not qualified to be the legal President, what he and his fascist communists have done is to buy up our car companies and banks with our tax payers money and plunged us into historic debt.
Big Goverment needs Texas more than Texas needs Big Goverment.
Big Goverment needs to end democracy, liberty and gun rights to leave American families defensless. We won't let them take our guns without a fight!

(shouts of support from the crowd like "Yeah Git 'em!" )

We are being called racist christian gun nuts just because we are standing up for what our country used to stand for...Freedom!
We stand for down to earth sanity and will bring down tyrants from the top down and fill Congress from the bottom up with real Americans who love and worship God. We have the common sense answers to every goverment theft of our land water and income. We understand the common sense that it is ungodly murder to kill our unborn babies.

(Big cheers fromt he crowd)

The Bernie Madoffs and the Barak Hussein Obamas of this world will pay for their stealing from hard working Americans, and will feel the wrath of our common sense. If they don't undertand we will elect Real Americans who do and get rid of the rest who just don;t get it. College Professors don't get it, Hypocritical Hollywood types don't get it, Hip Hoppers don't get it, Liberals don't get it, Unions don't get it, Tree hugging global hoaxers don't get it....BUT WE WILL SHOW THEM WHO DOES - Stand up America and show them who gets it !
We are the Tea Bag Army!
every one of us cares!
We are all armed and not afraid to use them
to save our country from queers.

(THe crowd goes wild)

YAAAY YAAAA WAHOOOOOOOOOO WHOOP WHOOP WOOF WOOF WOOF
God bless America
Land that I love
stand beside her and guide her
to drink tea and be free
from the thugs.

God bless Sarah Palin God Bless freedom from regulations God Bless the roots of our Liberty that needs to be watered with blood.


(now the crowd is in a rivalist frenzy with people speaking in tongues, guys firing pistols in the air and Fox news people celebrating as they run for cover.)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 03:44 AM

wow
now thats a convention!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:00 AM

Yes, I'm with Ebbie. I'd love to hear your contributions, Greg.   Since I somewhat suspect you disagree with my views. ( Just a hunch.)

Please, of course, ground your observations in logic and political awareness. (We wouldn't want to think you were a master of puerile resentment and nothing else--which we know of course is not true.)

Thanks.   I knew you would.