BS: Palin sips tea tonight

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 10:46 AM

"Judson Phillips is a Tennessee lawyer, specializing in personal injury lawsuits, drunk-driving cases and men who get into trouble beating their wives. It was his idea to incorporate Tea Party Nation as a money-making venture and charge $349 to hear Sarah Palin talk about what's wrong with America over steak and lobster this weekend in Nashville.

Andrew Young is a North Carolina lawyer, specializing in John Edwards. The deceptions. The baby born to the mistress. It was his job to make sure the Diet Sprite never ran low. And when Edwards suggested that Young co-habitate with the senator's mistress, to further an outrageous lie, Young set up the guest room and explained to his family that they now had new members.

If there's money to be made hitching your wagon to a politician trading in populism, well, who can fault these fine men for seizing the opportunity. They must know, the check is more reliable than the politician.

Palin and Edwards are two of an American archetype, opportunists playing to outrage while taking care of themselves. They are both attractive, with that lucky combination of genes that rarely lands on more than one member of an extended family. They can both hold an audience without saying anything of substance, or even making sense.

They repeat certain phrases: "good people," "real Americans" and "God's will" for Palin; "hard-working folks," "two Americas" and "millworker's son" for Edwards. Code words, time-worn and simple, that say: I'm one of you.

Members of the Tea Party movement, from people who can't stand having an African-American in the White House to those genuinely concerned about the sea of debt, share at least one thing: they fear the country has gone to ruination.

They see "elites" in banking, on Wall Street, in Washington, getting theirs at a time when average income did not go up a dime over the last, lost decade. They should be mad. America is passing them by.

Edwards at one point claimed to be their leader, to share their pain, even before this movement had a name. His acolyte of 10 years, the attorney Andrew Young, believed every word.
Sarah Palin on her book tour in DecemberAssociated Press Sarah Palin on her book tour in December.

But Edwards was scamming him. The senator drove a clunker to rallies — someone else's car — but tooled around in his Lexus or BMW in private. He wore Armani suits, careful to tear the label off. While he nested in a $6 million mansion of nearly 30,000 square feet, he complained about the "fat rednecks" he had to listen to, those people living in trailers, with no health insurance, the other Americans.

And the scam extended to loyal donors, most notably Bunny Mellon, the 99-year-old heir to a dynastic family, whose money was solicited to cover up the mistress story, in Young's account.
Now Young has found the light, he says in "The Politician," his tell-all book. "Virtually every word that came of his mouth was a lie," he says of Edwards, "but it was convincing."

Palin is trying to get in front of the same parade that Edwards wanted to lead. When she quit on her state, barely halfway through a single term as governor, her explanation was a classic of incoherence.
She never mentioned the obvious reason for resigning: to get rich, quick. Nothing wrong with that; it's as American as late-night ads for the Snuggie — the blanket with sleeves! But why not come out and say it, instead of cloaking it in some larger cause?

If Palin truly believed in the Tea Partiers and their discontent, she would not be charging $100,000 to stoke their fears. She can do that for free, on Fox. And what policy solutions does she offer the troubled middle class? Tax cuts, like the ones that caused this massive deficit to begin with? Preventing new regulation of the banks that got us into this horrid economic collapse, under the guise of "less government"?

She has nothing to offer but honeyed words, the syrup for suckers. "

NYT

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:07 AM

Why don't you simply tell me what I think, Simple Seeker, as you usually do? Would save me a lot of time & effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:56 AM

So, Greg, you're incapable of expressing yourself?    So sorry to hear that--and it certainly is remarkable in an alleged professor. But I'm sure it couldn't possibly be that you actually have no constructive ideas to contribute.   So that's a relief.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 01:10 PM

Whee-dee-dee-dee-dee whee-dee-dee-dee-dee whee-um-um-away (2x)

Down in Nashville, in seedy Nashville, Miss Palin sips tonight
At the party, the humble party, Miss Palin sips tonight

(Amos: I can tell you stories about Mr. J.P. He's my wife's ex.)

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 08:32 PM

Monsieur
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Does J.P. know how to turn a buck into a bundle?
If so, how?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:02 PM

Palin holds a full house, 3 war cards and two oil cards.

Obama has an economy card, a jobs card, a bail out card, a health care card and a war card.

Palin goes all in with the backing of unlimited Corporate funding.

Obama stares at his cards and slowly strokes his chin, he looks up at Palin with a fatherly admonition and says, "All in" as he lays down his flush.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:04 PM

LOL!

Amerigasm

If you watch to the end, you can actually see her sneaking a peek at what she'd written on her hand while answering a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 09:11 PM

Does J.P. know how to turn a buck into a bundle?

His history doesn't give one much hope.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:23 PM

We are at Defcon 3 Madame President. If our answer to the suspected terrorist subway explosion in Queens is to be made, it must be made now. What shall it be? Plan A by nuking Iran, plan B by nuking Iraq Iran and Afghanistan, or plan C - nuking every nation that is not a member of NATO, or have you a plan D of your own ???

President Palin looks down at the palm of her hand that is glistening with perspiration and says gigglingly, "By golly I had a plan D but it got all smudgy from my hot toddy tea. Why doncha just go with Plan A through C until I get back in touch with my Pastor, Oh and by the way, tell Roger Ailes that as soon as he has camera crews in place we are ready to go."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:31 PM

nothin to watch, you have to sign in, register and be a member to see the clip?

I did see it on TV though.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:40 PM

I'm not a member and I was able to watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:41 PM

I like how the batshit hypocrite can read from crib notes in her palm to answer a mindlessly simple question, but denigrates Obama for using a teleprompter to give a long speech. I don't so much blame her - you can't really blame a rock for not being sentient - but her handlers and to a lesser extent her mindless minions for not calling her on her hypocrisy.

Okay, I was just kidding about that. You can't blame them either.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 10 - 11:52 PM

You are right Carol.
I was using Opera and haven't downloaded adobe flash for Opera yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:47 AM

These are simply Ross Perot supporters who are older and wiser now, and more politically astute.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:23 AM

I have seen nothing to cause me to think these people are the least bit politically astute. Perotistas were genius masterminds in comparison.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: beeliner
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 10:36 AM

Perot had well-thought-out platforms, whether you agreed and whether they were tenable or not.

Sarah Palin's only platforms are the ones in her shoes.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 11:14 AM

I don't think Perot was in-synch with the people who supported him. If he was he would have let Richard Lamm run in 1996. If that had happened, we probably wouldn't even have a Tea Party movement today.
          Whether Lamm won or lost, the issues would have been presented to the public, and whoever won in '96 would have had to address them.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:07 PM

I have seen nothing to cause me to think these people are the least bit politically astute.

Sure they are. They figured out that they needed some female eye candy as the face of their movement if they wanted to win anything (because that's all they've got).

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 03:49 PM

Which, of course, seems to be more than anyone else has got, at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 07:48 PM

Palin was an intentional "accident" invented by Karl Rove as an attempt to equal or best the Democratic ticket which had a woman running for President. Bobby Jindle was also a Republican response to the Democrats having a dark skinned candidate.

A day before Palin was announced Karl Rove spoke of the Republican party introducing a soft Republican woman into the area of Presidential politics. You see they always portrayed Hillary as shrill and hard edged so they would have a soft curvacious alternative to Hillary in Sarah.

As we see now, not much thought or vetting went into their desperate decision to throw McCain the female vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:20 PM

The radical Christian right has been cultivating Sara Palin for years, Donuel. She is one of the people the dominionist movement is hoping will help the accomplish their goal of taking over the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

Donuel, please document Karl Rove referring to a woman candidate - soft or otherwise - the day before McCain introduced Palin. Please.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 07:55 PM

Hmmmmmmm, Carol, ya' think that Christain Right would be dumb (like a fox) enough to get this woman elected... She does seem to have no real core principles other than pablum sound bites... But then again, pablum sounds bites is what the Christain Right is all about... Other than goobs of money and power...

Yeah, it would be genious on their part but me thinks that Ms. Sarah ain't all that controlable so I'd warn the CR to be carefull what they ask for...

As for tea??? How about a nudie shoot in Playboy with Ms. Sarah dressed in nothin' but a tea cup??? I kinda like it... Might even buy a copy... Nah... Ain't bought one since Martin Luther King was interviewed so unless they were doin' one heck of an interview that month, I'd prolly just borrow my brother's copy... Jus funnin'... I ain't the Playboy type...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 08:36 AM

Still waiting for anybody to say why we should not take Sarah seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 08:48 AM

Sarah has been down the frivolous law suit road before. She's discovered that when you are not personally wealthy your political enemies will file all kinds of meaningless law suits to bankrupt you and keep you off the public stage. The Kennedys and the Rockerfellers don't have this problem, so nobody ever sues them, not even when they drive they cars into rivers and allow passengers to drown. The House ethics committee won't even investigate Jane Harman because they think she has enough money to fend off the investigators.

         Knowing all of that, the deep thinking American public will not take Sarah seriously until--or unless--she amasses a vast personal fortune first.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:08 AM

You're right Ron. Her singular lack of intelligence, her belief in an extreme form of Christian fundamentalism, her appeal to Americans' worst angels are all reasons we SHOULD take her seriously. I still think she is the kind of politician who can win primaries by bringing out the base and then lose the general election by scaring the hell out of independents, but that's not a certainty by any means. We don't need to look too far back in our history (2004) to see an example of Americans electing a moronic right-wing idealogue to our highest office.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:24 PM

Alaska's legislature is in session right now. They have already passed two bills that hark directly to Palin: 1) A governor's duty station in Alaska is in Juneau, the capital city, and 2) A governor shall not be paid per diem for staying in their own home.

At this point, just about everybody in Alaska likes Governor Sean Parnell. Reason? He is not Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:29 PM

Right, Neil.   The way the primary system is now set up, she's in the catbird seat for that.

Then the question really becomes if the economy has substantially recovered by 2011-2012. And statistics won't be the determining factor.   Crucial issue will be if people in general feel better about their own economic positions---not what figures get quoted at them.

If they don't feel good, then Sarah, the master of articulating anger and resentment, stands an alarmingly good chance of being the first female US president. Particularly since (non-liberal) women may feel it is in fact time for that step.   It will be very interesting to see how many who say they supported Hillary will now line up behind Sarah.

It's a bit discouraging how many Mudcatters seem to rely on wishful thinking--and seem to specialize in underestimating their opponents.

Wishful thinking has won amazingly few elections.

It's time for some Mudcatters to wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:40 PM

Wake up and do what?

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:55 PM

Wake up, and, if you are an American voter, tell your Representative to pass the Senate health bill as is, so Congress can get on to other things: specifically doing more to try to combat the recession--and not be seen as wasting huge amounts of time and effort with nothing to show for it.

Wake up and in general be more willing to compromise--don't see every concession to the other side (even Democratic opponents) as treason against "what we stand for".

As I said earlier, stop trashing religion--it seems likely that attitude is also visible outside Mudcat---and stop pushing for politically poisonous ideas like homosexual marriage. Both of those bring out even more supporters of the current Rightist demogogue--you'd play right into Sarah's hands.   You would think the Left would have learned from 2004--when this is exactly what happened.

In a contest between intolerant atheists and the "Religious Right", numbers count. So in the US the atheists have no chance. All they do is inflame the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Neil D
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 01:42 AM

Trashing religion is really a non-issue because no one is doing it. No one in politics, not even the most liberal members of congress, nor anyone in the mainstream media, not even the most left-wing pundits on MSNBC is trashing religion. Sure, here in this little folk lovin' universe you find your fair share of agnostics, atheists, heathens, etc. Some of them might even be considered stridently so. But in the country at large it's not even in play unless you are calling the defense of free thought and reason from attacks by reactionary fundamentalism an attack on religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:53 AM

It depends on what some Mudcatters-- and others who feel similarly-- are doing offline. For instance, the push for taking 10 Commandments plaques out of courthouses--and calling those who wanted to keep them religious bigots comes close to trashing religion.

And this is exactly how it was pictured by fundamentalists to their followings.

It's entirely too easy for quite a few Leftists to picture any opposition to their views--on quite a few issues--as religious bigotry.

We have even had a Mudcatter who claimed that Hitler had no choice but to be a mass murderer--after all, he was raised Catholic.

This is what I mean by "trashing religion."

And it helps Sarah--immensely--in her efforts to portray any opposition to her as opposition to religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:33 PM

Ebbie, go to the videotape of Rove live on FOX cable news the day before her appearence with McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:39 PM

The one hopeful thing about Sarah, though, is that the more people have a chance to see her and get to know her, the lower her poll numbers go.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:42 PM

Any interest group can groom a candidate. That does not mean there is a national conspiracy to do so. There is an interest group conspiracy to do so.

Thing is, Palin appeals to many military families as much as fringe religious groups, and that makes her base stronger, not just church groups. She found she can not rely on oil money outside campaigning so she has gone rogue with a hired book and speechifyin at tea parties.

Her polls have dropped 10 points since her book tour however.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:05 PM

Time for another book tour, I suppose. She can crank them out one after another. None of these people write their own books anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:24 PM

What would it be about? She's nearly overtopped her ability to remember things with this one.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 02:30 PM

She could just make everything up (with the help of her ghost writer) like she did with the first book.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 03:34 PM

Well, Donuel, I did NOT find this: "A day before Palin was announced Karl Rove spoke of the Republican party introducing a soft Republican woman into the area of Presidential politics." However, I did find another example of her brilliant discourse:

"(Wolf) BLITZER: Another question. What are your new ideas on how to take the Republican Party out of this rut that it's in right now? Give me one or two new ideas that you're going to propose to these governors who have gathered here in this hotel."

    "PALIN: Well, a lot of Republican governors have really good ideas for our nation because we're the ones there on the front lines being held accountable every single day in service to the people whom have hired us in our own states and the planks in our platform are strong and they are good for America. It's all about free enterprise and respecting the ..."

    "BLITZER: Does that mean you want to come up with a new Sarah Palin initiative that you want to release right now."

    "PALIN: Gah! Nothing specific right now. Sitting here in these chairs that I'm going to be proposing but in working with these governors who again on the front lines are forced to and it's our privileged obligation to find solutions to the challenges facing our own states every day being held accountable, not being just one of many just casting votes or voting present every once in a while, we don't get away with that. We have to balance budgets and we're dealing with multibillion dollar budgets and tens of thousands of employees in our organizations."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:38 PM

"She could just make everything up (with the help of her ghost writer) like she did with the first book."

            Yeah well, that's pretty much the way American politicians do it these days; then they sell it on the market as nonfiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:50 AM

As I said, Mudcatters have to stop underestimating her.

All she has to do is continue to articulate the frustration and bitterness felt by lots of Americans:   "How's that hopey-changey thing working out for you?"--and she is doing this perfectly--and she will be sitting pretty in 2011.

Especially since it looks like child's play to depict this Congress as a "do-nothing Congress". The public will not look at Republican obstructionism as the main source of the problem, much as Mudcatters devoutly wish they would.

It will be very simple:   "You have a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and Democratic President.    Yet you still can't get anything done. Re-elect Democrats?    What possible indication do we have that that will improve anything?"

And the overwhelming cause of this is Democrats' unwillingness to compromise-- primarily with each other, but also with the few Republicans willing to brave their own party--like Olympia Snowe.   But compromise is what you have to do when you have a "big tent" situation.

And after the Democratic debacle which looks more and more likely this fall, there will be, if anything, more gridlock.    Then in 2012 President Obama has to run on this record.

It looks progressively more likely that the only thing that can change this is a huge economic surge--soon. Especially since Democrats still show no signs of willingness to compromise.

I suppose it goes back to Will Rogers:    "I'm not a member of an organized party...."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Lighter
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:00 PM

When I heard that Gov. Palin had written notes on her hand, I thought maybe there was a reason. Maybe she'd thought of a great one-liner that required letter-perfect delivery. A zinger so potent that it would plunge the White House into confusion and leave the rest of us chuckling in appreciation, eager to vote Republican ASAP.

But what she'd written was:

"Energy, Budget Cuts, Tax, Lift Americans' Spirits."

That's what she couldn't retain without notes. And for some reason she didn't want us to see her using note cards, like grownup speakers do.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:08 PM

I've been listening to some pundits online lately. One man said he believes that at this point she is learning and retaining only enough information to deliver a zinger but that she has no material for a follow up question.

And that man isn't even necessarily anti-Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:40 PM

Leonard Pitt, Jr, with some great points:

"I hear you're pondering a run for the White House in 2012. Last week, you told Fox news it would be "absurd" to rule it out. I'm writing to ask that you rule it in. I very badly want you to run for - and "win" - the Republican nomination for the presidency.

"I know you're waiting for the punch line. Maybe you figure I think you'd be a weak candidate who would pave the way for President Obama's easy re-election.

"That's not it. No, I want you to run because I believe a Palin candidacy would force upon this country a desperately needed moment of truth. It would require us to finally decide what kind of America we want to be.

"Mrs. Palin, you are an avatar of the shameless hypocrisy and cognitive disconnection that have driven our politics for the last decade, a process of stupidification (love that word! Eb) creeping like kudzu over our national life."

Run, Sarah, Run

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:36 PM

"... candidacy would force upon this country a desperately needed moment of truth. It would require us to finally decide what kind of America we want to be."

What a stupid point.

Of course stupidity is always in the offing...
We have chosen Harding, Fillmore, Grant, Hayes,Nixon Reagan Bush and Bush Bush,

you really think we need to choose Palin just to be sure if devout hypocritical stupidity represents America best> roll eyes.

I have a better idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets have a CHRISTIAN children's crusade in the Middle East!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:38 PM

You have missed his whole thesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 09:04 PM

There are always a few pupils in every class who think Voltaire was advocating eating babies.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: Lighter
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:07 PM

You mean it wasn't Swift who was advocating that?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:30 PM

There's always one student who writes down the wrong author in his notebook. This is only a problem if he tries to show off his knowledge later. Poor, confused fool.

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Subject: RE: BS: Palin sips tea tonight
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Feb 10 - 12:01 AM

Although in my defense I have this over Palin: I knew there were things called "books" before I wrote one.

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