BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Stu
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 08:40 AM

Agreed leveller.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:06 AM

I am sure I posted this but the mudcat post eater must have found it particularly tasty:-)

As I pointed out earlier the common factor in all the nastiest influences are politicians. I cannot repeat often enough that in any other walk of life if someone was to say they knew best and could run millions of peoples lives they would be locked up. What do we do? Vote teh daft buggers in!

Answer? The Gnomish benign dictatorship! I don't know best or have all the answers but it would stop you wondering who was the lesser of the evils:-)

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:27 AM

Seconded, leveller - another spot on comment.

Charles Windsor has no relevance to 21st century UK - jesus - United Kingdom, gods help us.

I have nothing agaist the present monarch, but when she carks it, I think it time and high time to put these parasites - especially that one with the jug-handle lugs - out to grass.

I shan't live to see the Britannic Republic ; but I reckons me grandkids will.

King Charles - the Last.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 11:40 AM

Charles Windsor has no relevance to 21st century UK - jesus - United Kingdom, gods help us.

At least his family seem willing to lead by example in the war effort (whether or not we should be at war is another matter), Andrew in the Falklands, Harry in Afghanistan.
Those who started the wars (Blair, Brown et al) don't seem to follow the example.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:18 PM

It's also Division and Teams.

My country is now in such a horrifying mess that all the major parties should put their differences aside and ccme together to do all they can to unite everyone and everything for the Good.

But they won't, because they're all too damned busy bashing hell out of each other's teams.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:26 PM

The nastiest influence in UK politics would most certainly be Olive Whatnoll...if she decided to get involved in politics.

Fortunately, she has not done so.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:31 PM

Personally I would say that the nastiest influence comes from those MPs who decided to claim for things that they shouldn't stealing money fom all people living in the UK!

MBSG

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 12:46 PM

I believe we get the politicians we deserve-they reflect all the bile greed and self obsession that we find in Britain today - how easy it is to point a finger at the greed of others as we load up our credit cards and ignore the plight of our elderly neighbours-how we moan at social services when an old person dies alone but never bother to knock on the door ourselves or report a child cryiing in the night . how we don't get involved out of fear of injury or because it will make us late for a journey-we can change our politicians every 4 years-when are we going to start changing ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: theleveller
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM

The only thing nastier than Godfrey Bloom in the area I live is, of course, the nasty fascist BNP thug, Andrew Brons, but there are plenty of people working to make sure he never gets elected again. His election may actually have done some good as it has united people against the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 08:49 PM

""You see, I neglected to interpolate "IMO" after "Thatcher got into power"""

Had you done so, Bryn, my response would have been entirely different.

I respect your opinion, as I would expect you to respect mine.

Given your take on New Labour, and the fact that we are all suffering the effects of their policies, I should have thought that a left wing Tory might be a viable option, at least until Labour remembers what it is supposed to represent.

To vote Green, LibDem or any other fringe party is, depending on where you live, either a vote for Labour or a vote for the Tories, so you really might as well bite the bullet, and choose which.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 03:19 AM

G W Bush is involving himself in the politics of Northern Ireland.
Does that count?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8556804.stm

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 07:55 AM

Can we just scotch that old chestnut once and for all. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for the Lib Dems. It is just that the first-past-the-post voting system robs such a voter of his enfranchisement. The fact is were all just sick of having it stuck to us by the bankers and the politicians. Until the status quo changes then we can bet that "the government will get in" and then screw the rest of us over once again.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 04:47 PM

You will like to know that domicile does not determine tax status - residence does, and their are very strict rules applied. A man cannot help his domicile, but can surely worm his way into residence/non residence or not ordinarily residence.

True to form the gutter press have got it all wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:16 PM

I think you need to qualify that Bonzo - I think some rules apply differently. Unless you are a tax inspector in which case I do not wish to annoy you, at least while using my real name.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 05:43 PM

Bollocks is the nastiest influence in the UK. Namely, it's all a load of bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 08:02 PM

""Can we just scotch that old chestnut once and for all. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for the Lib Dems. It is just that the first-past-the-post voting system robs such a voter of his enfranchisement.""

Old chestnut or not, for all practical purposes, voting for a party which can't win is just the same as not voting at all, and is bound to benefit one of the two parties which can win.

Taking me to task over the semantics doesn't alter the practicality.

Better to hold your nose, and pick the one you least despise, lest you get the one you most despise.

Wasting your vote as a matter of principle, is still a futile gesture.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:24 AM

Regrettably I must agree with Don on the theory - but I can only disagree with him on which is the lesser of the two weevils (joke from the Hornblower series). You have a choice between reluctant captives of the Thatcher legacy, or wolves (and toffs amongst wolves at that) in sheeps' clothing.

None of that, however, was the point of the thread. It was about individuals systematically (and to a material extent, successfully) seeking to suborn the democratic process. On that basis I can only infer that no-one does know of any such more worthy of condemnation than those I selected, and, moreover, that there is no such attempted subornation deriving from the left. Or from any religion.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:25 AM

And perhaps I had better say this separately - preferably without any fluffy-headed gibbering.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:50 AM

"Old chestnut or not, for all practical purposes, voting for a party which can't win is just the same as not voting at all,"

Unless, of course, there's a hung parliament, as seems likely. I, for one, will vote for what I believe in and that will be the Green Party, if they field a local candidate. I think it's a waste voting for Labour or the Conservatives; that's what democracy is all about, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: theleveller
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:58 AM

Actually, Don, your remarks are very similar to what my grtandfather told me was said to him when he joined the Labour Party before the first world war (that, of course, had little in common with today's New Labour). Votes can change things - maybe not in a short time, but certainly in a lifetime.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:04 AM

Quote: voting for a party which can't win is just the same as not voting at all

Thats always the answer that gets trotted out, but if enough of us do it, then they CAN win. With the poll narrowing so much, a small number of votes may make the difference especially in marginals. As The Leveller points out, this is the basis of democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:15 AM

which is the lesser of the two weevils (joke from the Hornblower series).
Unless the joke's been re-used, I think you'll find it was the feature film "Master & Commander the far side of the world (2003)"

Cheers

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:21 AM

""Unless, of course, there's a hung parliament, as seems likely. I, for one, will vote for what I believe in and that will be the Green Party, if they field a local candidate. I think it's a waste voting for Labour or the Conservatives; that's what democracy is all about, Don.""

Even a hung Parliament will still mean government by either Tory, or Labour, MPs.

If the LibDems have the sense to cherrypick the policies from both which are most beneficial to the Nation, then a hung parliament can work to everybody's best interest.

I have to tell you that on the three occasions during my voting lifetime that there has been a hung parliament, they have abdicated the responsibility, and backed the party which offered the biggest bribe (usually some form of PR), and later reneged. That party was Labour (not New Labour, but the genuine one).

I see no reason to assume that they will do any different this time.

BTW, whatever gave you the weird notion that we live in a democracy? The last of those was 2500 years ago, at the other end of Europe.

Constitutional Monarchy nate! Like it or not, that's what we live in.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:22 AM

Surely Hornblower predates: TV series 1998 to 2003, and books 1937 to 1967.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM

""Regrettably I must agree with Don on the theory - but I can only disagree with him on which is the lesser of the two weevils (joke from the Hornblower series).""

You will no doubt have noticed, Richard, that I was careful to suggest only the choice between two alternatives.

It is not my place to tell anyone which alternative to espouse.

I'm laying myself open to quite enough vitriol on this rather left oriented forum, by honestly stating which party I support.

I can always content myself with the knowledge that I am not responsible for the actions of any fool other than myself.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:10 AM

An excellent way to look at it, Don! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Rasener
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:16 AM

A hung Parliament! Whata a wonderful idea. Lets hang the lot. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 02:00 PM

""A hung Parliament! Whata a wonderful idea. Lets hang the lot. :-)""

It is tempting, isn't it Les?   But we might need to remember who took over when the Soviet government collapsed.

Ours might all be crooks, but they are, in the main, inept and incompetent crooks.

Would we be wise to invite a takeover by crooks who are good at it?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The nastiest influence in UK politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Mar 10 - 10:12 AM

Non Domicile and liability to UK tax - not easy to summarise, but when non-domiciled in the UK, liability to UK tax may well arise depending upon whether Resident and Ordinarily Resident, Resident and not Ordinarily Resident or Not Resident, and whether income arises from Employment duties performed wholly or partly in the UK and Employment duties performed wholly outside the UK.

To further cloud the picture, if you are resident and ordinarily resident but are not domiciled in the UK the remittance basis operates differently from the way in which it works for individuals who are resident but not ordinarily resident in the UK. You are liable to UK tax on the arising basis for any earned income where the duties are performed wholly or partly in the UK. The liability to UK tax on income earned wholly outside the UK will depend on the residence status of your employer.

Need I go on???

VAT however is a different story.