BS: The strangest idea in the USA

Subject: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:56 PM

I've come across it a number of times in the nearly twelve years I've been here. Only recently has it ceased to amaze me. What still amazes me is why more people on the so called right, the chest thumpers who talk about how this is the greatest country and all that, don't speak out more against it. (There are some of this forum. You know who you are.)

For people outside the USA, I swear to you that in this rich and beautiful country, there are actually people who feel this way. I am not making it up. For the people outside this country, desperately trying to get in, Obviously too busy to read a folk music forum I hope you never find out about this attitude all too common in the most blessed country on earth.

The idea is that people shouldn't have to pay any taxes because they "earned" the money and it is "their money". Yeah, people of the world, I know! They think they earned it on their own, without any help from the government. I'll swear to you, no lie, one of the guys who says this me gets a large piece of his income having his employees clean windows on government buildings. A very nice guy otherwise. I laughed when I heard him say "his money." He actually got offended.

Anyway, below is an encounter I had on the Tea Party website. The guy is talking about government when he says "but one has no valid claim on the resources that were produced by others."

>> One has a right to procure resources to trade for the service of others, but one has no valid claim on the resources that were produced by others.<<

Where is the source of this right? It is not in the Constitution. It is not in the Bible. The above is a very strange and silly concept.

Where would you be without the public resources of the US? Where would you be without the Military? You have an obligation to contribute. There isn't any doubt about that. Don't make up rights that you do not have.

Don't think that you are a complete individual, self created and self made and have no obligation to the system that nurtures you and makes you comfortable enough to be as smug as you apparently are. Where would you be if you had been born in a poor country? How about Somalia, Somalia is about the most free place that there is; no taxes, no cops no laws. If you want something, just take it... if you can. Why don't you go there and talk about your rights to your property? Oh yeah right, EVERYONE There has the "right" to take whatever you have. We owe the USA. We owe it a lot.

And like it or not we have system for determining how much we have to put back. Its called government and the way it has decided is called elections.

Talk all you want about the benefits of smaller government, rail against waste, work for your idea of a better country.

But don't say that the USA does not have a right to money you make. The USA is the reason you are able to make that money. The USA is the reason you are not in a ditch in a third world country fighting over the protein of a rat carcass. Don't forget that. Its what makes America great.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM

Well it is certainly hard to imagine how we would form a more perfect union without some money coming in from those who want to benefit therefrom.

As for legal rights, there is a provision in the Constitution for taxation.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Maryrrf
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:06 PM

The number of nutters in this country is scary. I'm much more disturbed by these right wing extremist groups than any outside terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:20 PM

It's a mentality, Jack, which is so self-absorbed (and downright selfish as a result) that it can't see past the end of its own nose. It doesn't get the fact that we are all interdependent on one another, like an extended family. It doesn't realize that we can't live decently without contributing to the general welfare of all the others around us in society. The attitude might be summed up by the statement, "It's all about ME!"

Unfortunately, that attitude has been encouraged by generations of John Wayne stereotypes in movies, books, and other media.

It isn't that these people want to hurt anyone else. It's just that they have become completely fixated on what's "mine"...to the exclusion of all else. And the marketing system has encouraged them in that respect. Marketing is all about conspicuous consumption for short-term pleasure, and the not too subtle message in all the marketing campaigns is that if you have a better car, a better house, and a more expensive pair of shoes than the guy next to you...you won! And he lost.

That's a very stupid ethic to put into people's heads. Having more material stuff does NOT make you better than other people. If anything, it's likely to weaken your character (and your strength) over a period of time.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:24 PM

I should have known better than to click on a link provided by a "GUEST"

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: GUEST,SINSULL
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:25 PM

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:20 PM

Not limited to the US. Here is the Canadian version:
http://www.captaincanadacrusades.ca/

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Me at work. Sorry I forgot to put my name in.
Scroll down and find his arguments for not paying taxes.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:38 PM

I kinda' feel like Mark Twain did about the bible toward the right wingers. It isn't the parts of their ideas that I don't understand that bother me. I'm more bothered by the parts I DO understand.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:40 PM

Sorry SINSULL

I looked at it for a few minutes.
Lots of strange stuff there.

But its a comic book right?

I really don't have a problem with strange behavior by comic book people. The gap with reality is a given for that guy isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:43 PM

Actually, Jack, that Guest's link has some good stuff on it. This article, for instance, about fiat money creation by the banks as opposed to gold and silver coin (real money)...and what that phony fiat money has done to the value of the dollar in the past century.

Fiat money vs real money

What is stated in the article is correct, and people should know about it. It has nothing to do with the subject you are focusing on in this thread, but it is certainly worth reading in any case.

We are really living in the middle of a giant financial con game, built around fiat money that's been created by the banks out of thin air.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: GUEST,SINS
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:49 PM

He's a lawyer who has decided to speak out. Here is the item I was referring to:
Know the truth about Income Tax in Canada, AND YOU TOO WILL STOP PAYING THEM: Click Here

I can't access it. Blocked by Baracuda.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Arkie
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:10 PM

Greed is one of the basic faults to be found in the human race is an outgrowth of placing ones own desires and rights above those of everyone else. While no culture is exempt, greed seems to become more profound in the more wealthier societies. When people realize how much of their lives and well being is dependent upon fellow beings they are more apt to feel the need to share and desire the best for the society as a whole.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:29 PM

Little Hawk, that "fiat money" thing is also bullshit.

While it may be true that a "silver dollar can but gas at 20 cents a gallon" (Though I'd like to see that blowhard try at a typical Exxon or pay at the pump. LOL! ) the gold or silver standard cannot support today's economy. It is a fallacy for him to imply that inflation is caused by fiat money. The reasons are much more complex. Inflation existed while we were on the gold standard.

If you use paper money, there would be a run on the reserves every time the dollar devalued. If you used real metal for everything, we would have to ship a shipload of gold and silver to the Saudis every time we bought a tanker of oil.

Also, there isn't enough gold and silver in the world. It would surely screw up "pay at the pump" even at 20 cents a gallon it would be tedious to fill up your car with coin machines.

To sum up

Cons of the gold standard, economic chaos, restriction of trade, toilets made of gold in Saudi (They may already have that)

Pros, 20 cent a gallon coin operated gas stations, but you would need a dump truck to take the money to the dealer to buy a car, and the dealer would need a train to take the money to the bank which would put it all in freighters and send it to Ryad Bejing and Tokyo.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 02:58 PM

You're mistaken, Jack. ;-) But I don't intend to aggravate myself by fighting with you about it for the next 50 or so posts. It wouldn't change anything anyway. Carry on and enjoy yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 03:01 PM

Perhaps LH can explain why gold and silver have value in themselves, apart from the value people put on them. Which is what people do with paper, of course. And of course gold and silver are valuable as metals, but not clearly so overwhelmingly so that their value must dictate the prices of everything else. Didn't the flood of "precious" metals from the Americas eventually bankrupt Spain?

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 03:06 PM

I've never understood all the hoo-hah about paper money vs the "Gold Standard." It has always seemed to me that the value attached to gold (and silver, too, for that matter) is just about as arbitrary and artificial as the value attached to dollar bills.

I mean, metal is more durable and hence more potentially useful than paper, but certainly not to the degree represented by the per-ounce price for "precious" metals.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: DougR
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 03:17 PM

I don't recall ANYONE on this forum objecting to paying his/her fair share of federal taxes. The key word is "fair." I certainly pay mine, but I do not want to pay MORE than a fair share.

I would suggest that the originator of this thread could gain a lot by reading the U.S. Constitution.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 03:49 PM

I'm not dreadfully sure which bit of the constitution says you are paying too much tax, but then I'm no expert on the US constitution, and the one we have here in the UK is a bit like the Rugby Union offside rule, it's what the chap in charge on the day says it is.

But I think you'll get a long way if you start from first principles. If you don't have a state, you'll soon have a state- whoever is rich enough to recruit the most goons will take charge. So you're going to have a state. And states cost money to run, so you're going to have to pay taxes. You are lucky in that you have some lip service paid to the idea that you should have some kind of collective say in what you pay; there are alternatives, as a quick reading of later Roman or Carolingian British history will convince you. Citizens in complex states get a huge amount of value from the services of the state. It's a pity that they can't see that money employed this way is far better spent than in individual hands.

It's much easier to have a state built and maintained metalled highway that ordinary cars can travel on, than for each individual to have a tank- like vehicle capable of travelling through broken, rutted, ground and crossing unbridged rivers.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM

DougR,

Thankfully no one on this forum has said that. I said that to a chap on the Tea Party Patriots sites who was saying that all he was obliged to pay for is security and property rights. I am confident that you think that idea is as silly as I do.

The only thing I said about people on this forum is that I am surprised that people like you aren't bringing us examples of this and saying things like "Who do theses jackasses think they are? Ungrateful bastards, unamerican, that sort of thing."

But if you never meet these people, If I am the only one, then please accept my apologies.

As for understanding of the Constitution, I think I understand it as well as you do. I did study the US system of government in university and have had some recent experience dealing with the FBI for background checks and Immigration and other such matters. There is nothing like dealing with the Government to sharpen one's awareness of it.

For instance I am willing to make a considerable wager that the rights described here "One has a right to procure resources to trade for the service of others, but one has no valid claim on the resources that were produced by others." do not exist a "rights" in US law.

Commerce is protected under a number of laws. But no where is it an explicit right.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 04:48 PM

The key word is "fair."

DougR determining that, is the very essence of political discussion.

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:05 PM

>>>You're mistaken, Jack.

I know what I know about economics. Believe me, thinking about calculating the money supply in the current economy would make your head spin. It makes my head spin.

Trying to imagine that with every banknote backed by precious metal, in a vault somewhere, under lock and key is a flight of fancy that makes Avatar the movie look a mundane as the classified ads. My examples weren't meant to be real, just illustrative of a small sliver of the complexity.

You are right not to waste your time with me. If you can coherently explain how to transition to a precious metal economy, without total economic collapse, economic ruin and all of the US's precious metal being shipped offshore. Then you should spend your time writing that down. Keep in mind that the Nobel Prize for economics is 1.4 million dollars, that you would no doubt be offered a full professorship at the University of Chicago, (remember that Obama was only a part-timer) and possibly the position of Secretary of Treasury in President Ron Paul's cabinet.

Its just a theory of mine, but I think that it is only his whacky economic theories about the gold standard, that are keeping Ron Paul from being a viable candidate for the Republican nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:39 PM

""As for legal rights, there is a provision in the Constitution for taxation.""

Wasn't the War of Independence fought at least partly because the Americans refused to accept "Taxation without Representation"?

It seems to me that once you have "Representation", then the acceptance of "Taxation" is implicit in that slogan.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 06:43 PM

""The attitude might be summed up by the statement, "It's all about ME!"""

Damn right LH, and the biggest laugh is that everbody who lives in a society where the concept of universal care is embraced pays many times less per year than these selfish idiots.

They are too selfish to save themselves money. How bloody stupid is that?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:31 PM

Arkie writes....."Greed is one of the basic faults to be found in the human race is an outgrowth of placing ones own desires and rights above those of everyone else. While no culture is exempt, greed seems to become more profound in the more wealthier societies. When people realize how much of their lives and well being is dependent upon fellow beings they are more apt to feel the need to share and desire the best for the society as a whole."

A good post Arkie ....As you say, much of society has devolved into a greedy uncomprehending free for all, but socialism, which I think is what you are advocating, can never be the answer while our economic/social system is driven by the very faults that you maintain are "basic" to human nature.

I believe people have become conditioned by Capitalism and consumerism, to see those things as bringing happiness and fulfillment to humanity, in place of the age old values of community, appreciation of nature, value of wisdom aquired through life experience, strength through extended family structures, an understanding of the power of real spirituallity to human survival etc.

Any organisation of humanity to fit an economic template is bound to fail, as people have started to realise what a short time they actually have on Earth.
Very few find fulfillment as wage slaves...before long, as most of us here know, life will be over and on reflexion most of us will see that we spent the largest part of it doing something which we did not enjoy.

As Omar Khayyam has written

"Enjoy enjoy for life is joy"

"Oh, come with old Khayyam, and leave the Wise
To talk; one thing is certain, that Life flies;
One thing is certain, and the Rest is Lies;
The Flower that once has blown, for ever dies."

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: kendall
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:48 PM

Taxes is the price we pay for a free society. (T. Jefferson)

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:00 PM

JTS - the USA is by its many public statements by its citizens and elected representatives, one of the most ANTI-Social (and thus selfish) countries in the world. I find THAT the strangest thing... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:11 PM

Where should taxes be collected (from citizens) and spent to benefit (support) the welfare of all (or most) citizens within a society, and where should taxes be collected from citizens to benefit (support) a few? Is there a clear line?

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:19 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_standard

The silver standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed weight of silver. The silver specie standard was widespread from the fall of the Byzantine Empire until the nineteenth century. Following the discovery in the sixteenth century of large deposits of silver at the Cerro Rico in Potosi, Bolivia, an international silver specie standard came into existence in conjunction with the Spanish pieces of eight. These silver dollar coins played the role of an international trading currency for nearly four hundred years. In 1704, following Queen Anne's proclamation, the British West Indies became one of the first regions to adopt a gold standard in conjunction with the Spanish gold doubloon coin. In 1717, the master of the Royal Mint, Sir Isaac Newton, introduced a new mint ratio as between silver and gold, and this had the effect of putting Britain 'de facto' unto a gold standard. Following the Napoleonic wars, the United Kingdom introduced the gold sovereign coin and formally adopted a gold standard in 1821. At the same time, revolutions in Latin America interrupted the supply of silver dollars (pieces of eight) that were being produced at the mints in Potosi, Mexico, and Lima. The British gold standard initially extended to some of the British colonies, notably the Australasian colonies and the Southern African colonies, but it did not extend to the North American colonies, to British India, or to South-East Asia. Canada adopted a gold standard in 1853 as did Newfoundland in 1865. In 1873, Germany changed over to the gold standard in conjunction with the new gold mark coin. The United States changed over to gold 'de facto' in the same year, and over the next 35 years, all other nations changed to gold, leaving only China and the British colonies of Hong Kong and Weihaiwei on the silver standard. The silver standard finally came to an end when it was abandoned by China and Hong Kong in 1935.

Gold standard
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

Under a gold standard, paper notes are convertible into pre-set, fixed quantities of gold.

The gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed weight of gold. Three distinct kinds of gold standard can be identified. The gold specie standard is a system in which the monetary unit is associated with circulating gold coins, or with the unit of value defined in terms of one particular circulating gold coin in conjunction with subsidiary coinage made from a lesser valuable metal. The gold exchange standard may involve only the circulation of silver coins, or coins made of other metals, but the authorities will have guaranteed a fixed exchange rate with another country that is on the gold standard, hence creating a de facto gold standard, in that the value of the silver coins has a fixed external value in terms of gold that is independent of the inherent silver value. The gold bullion standard is a system in which gold coins do not actually circulate as such, but in which the authorities have agreed to sell gold bullion on demand at a fixed price.

A gold specie standard existed in some of the great empires of earlier times, such as in the case of the Byzantine Empire which used a gold coin known as the Byzant. But with the ending of the Byzantine Empire, the civilized world tended to use the silver standard, such as in the case of the silver pennies that became the staple coin of Britain around the time of King Offa in the year 796 AD. The Spanish discovery of the great silver deposits at Potosi in the 16th century, led to an international silver standard in conjunction with the famous pieces of eight, which carried on in earnest until the nineteenth century. In modern times the British West Indies was one of the first regions to adopt a gold specie standard. The gold standard in the British West Indies, that followed from Queen Anne's proclamation of 1704, was a 'de facto' gold standard based on the Spanish gold doubloon coin. In the year 1717, Sir Isaac Newton, who was master of the Royal Mint, established a new mint ratio as between silver and gold that had the effect of driving silver out of circulation and putting Britain on a gold standard. But it wasn't until the year 1821, following the introduction of the gold sovereign coin by the new Royal Mint at Tower Hill in the year 1816, that the United Kingdom was formally put on a gold specie standard. The United Kingdom was the first of the great industrial powers to switch from the silver standard to a gold specie standard. Soon to follow was Canada in 1853, Newfoundland in 1865, and the USA and Germany 'de jure' in 1873. The USA used the American Gold Eagle as their unit, and Germany introduced the new gold mark, while Canada adopted a dual system based on both the American Gold Eagle and the British Gold Sovereign. Australia and New Zealand adopted the British gold standard, as did the British West Indies, while Newfoundland was the only British Empire territory to introduce its own gold coin as a standard. Royal Mint branches were established in Sydney, New South Wales, Melbourne, Victoria, and Perth, Western Australia for the purposes of minting gold sovereigns from Australia's rich gold deposits.

Post-war international gold-dollar standard (1946–1971)
Main article: Bretton Woods system

After the Second World War, a system similar to a Gold Standard was established by the Bretton Woods Agreements. Under this system, many countries fixed their exchange rates relative to the U.S. dollar. The U.S. promised to fix the price of gold at $35 per ounce. Implicitly, then, all currencies pegged to the dollar also had a fixed value in terms of gold. Under the regime of the French President Charles de Gaulle up to 1970, France reduced its dollar reserves, trading them for gold from the U.S. government, thereby reducing U.S. economic influence abroad. This, along with the fiscal strain of federal expenditures for the Vietnam War, led President Richard Nixon to end the direct convertibility of the dollar to gold in 1971, resulting in the system's breakdown, commonly known as the Nixon Shock.

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Sigh.... :-)

Hmmmm "$US35 per ounce" - last check it was around $US1,000 per ....

So it's all the fault of the US then..... :-P

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:21 PM

Sorry, about the length - but just wanted to show you an even more 'strange US idea' - oh, and now the US dollar, and ALL currencies, except that of China - 'float'....

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:25 PM

Taxes fair???    Have you all been asleep for the last year?

The rich made even more money by de-regulating the banking system, aided and abetted by a democratically elected govt which needed "growth" to finance war, militarism, and defend itself from enemies made by its own foreign policies.

When that house of cards collapsed, who's money put it back together again....thats right the taxpayers!

Isn't it nice to know that your hard earned dollars and pounds are not going to wasteful projects like new hospitals or education, of drug treatments that work, or care for the elderly, or... or...

Isn't it nice to know that your hard earned dollars and pounds are being used to reset a system which has failed miserably and will continue to fail, because that system is not in place for the benefit of Jane or Joe Public, but for the rich who put it in place to begin with.

Our job is to keep on picking up the pieces and putting them back together.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:29 PM

""in place of the age old values of community, appreciation of nature, value of wisdom aquired through life experience, strength through extended family structures, an understanding of the power of real spirituallity to human survival etc.""

Christ give me f**king strength!

Enlighten us Oh Wise one.

When was this Golden Age of Milk and Honey? The history books I've read seem to have missed it.

Tell me, where was the niche between Feudal Lords, Aristocratic landlords, Industrial Moguls, and Corporate Giants, which afforded room for this perfect idyll to appear, upon which you alone are able to look back with such nostalgic pleasure?

Gordon Bleeding Bennett.
Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:41 PM

If you dont think humanity can be changed Don, why do you bother discussing the issue

The primitive societies in America, Australia etc etc seemed to work very well, having survived for thousands of years.
Even the clan system in Scotland survived for a thousand years before Capitalism killed it.

How long do you think our current social system is likely to last?

20...30...50yrs?   Hmmm I think you have swallowed the Part line Gordon!   Survival and consumerism are incompatible

Subject: RE: BS: The strangest idea in the USA
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:35 PM

13 banks and their 13 CEO bankers are literally owned by only 11 wealthy families. The fiat and Fed system works well for them. The culture of all is fair in love, war and money works well for them. That people are willing to lie for a paycheck, look the other way and punish any nay sayers suits their purposes well.
Inflation however is an enemy to bankers and their owners. When borrowed money is paid back in money that is less valuable, they lose.

However now that the banks are bailed out and bigger and stronger than ever with more cash reserves and more property than they can account for, inflation is an acceptable trade off.

The banks pay for public relations that informs the television viewing public that the mischievous tom foolery that Wall Street toyed with is not the reason for finanical worries but rather it was people who borrowed more money than they should have for houses that were too extravagant for their income. New banker propoganda is now claiming that Wall Street did not betray your money or the trust of the world, but rather it was the goverment that betrayed capitalism.


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This crime can be viewed as a 3 act play.
Act one - the set up and the theft
Act two - Hiding in plain sight while others fight
Act three - The great irony.


We are currently in Act 2 which is my favorite. It involves steering the anger of the common man away from the robbers and to direct their wrath at the goverment, no matter how violent or chaotic such a campaign will become, is crucial for the saftey of the 13 banks, the 13 bankers and 11 familes who own them. These families will do anything to avoid the personal blowback following the greatest deliberate financial theft in recorded history. Just like a desperate bank robber, but on a monumental scale, they will bribe, they will take hostages, they will make demands, they will create diversions, they will murder (by proxy).

Steering the outrage of reasonable people as well as the blind thrashing by the irrational angry victims of the God and guns crowd, is the chief concern of well to do bank robbers. Calling the goverment totalitarian, fascist or communist is only half of the diversion.

The savagery committed by men with such clean uncalloused hands is felt in ; every state capitol, every public classroom, in every small business, in every manufacturing plant, in every forclosure, in every lost job and in every man woman and child who do not have $400 million dollars to cushion their fall.

It reminds me of how the Pope is not concerned by the deaf children who were raped by clergy , but was only concerned of how the church may remain safe and secure and how to harbor the pedergasts safely away from controversy.

The final act of this evil financial play will involve the evil that is done after robbery in Act 1, after the diversions and fighting in the streets in act two. It is about the tragedy that tears apart every family and every nation while the robbers come out of hiding. It concludes with the irony that the victims of the great theft were unable to keep their eyes on the ball, to see who the real villains were, and end up blindly killing each other. In the end we see the victims serving the very people who destroyed their life.


Strange idea, don't you think?