BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 12:18 AM

I'm reluctant to endorse any sweeping "throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water" call such as "throw out all the incumbents."
There are some very competent, responsible, honest, and dedicated members of Congress, such as Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, Jeff Merkley, and Dennis Kucinich. (There are probably a couple Republicans too. I just don't follow them as closely.).

One thing's for sure: If we throw out all the incumbents, the newly elected ones will be even more surely and securely owned by the big corporations, because no one else will have the huge financial backing it takes to get elected now (since the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United).

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 01:33 PM

I'm from Oregon, and it's all right with me if they want to throw Jeff Merkley out.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:26 PM

Rig, make that southern Oregon- there is a difference, you know.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:39 PM

Yes, there's the "real" Oregon, and then there's them folks what live up around Eugene and Portland.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:03 PM

What southern Oregon like??? South Carolina???

Maybe I ask my son next time I talk with him... He's in Portland and says that eberyone there is purdy liberal... Except in ma & pa in law which are fundamental Pentacostals???

As for Green??? The truth will come out... I know how Southerners think... They think they can get away with just about anything until they are caught and, in this case, the crooks will be caught...

Anyone heard Green yet on the TV??? I think the man is a mental midget... I'd use the retard word but some folks get all huffy when I use it but if there was ever a time to use it it would be in describing this guy...

But, hey, Demint v. The Retard??? Hey, I'd hasve to vote fir The Retard...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:28 PM

Well, Bobert, I would let Rig answer that question except that our answers would be markedly different. Southern Oregon is not South Carolina but - Suffice it to say that if white supremicists were to move into the valley it would scarcely be noticeable.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:47 PM

Okee-dokee, Eb... I got the piccure... Worse than South Carolina... Hmmmmmm??? hard to do but, hey???

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:09 PM

"What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid."

An outcome fervently to be hoped for, both. And you can throw in Barbara Boxer, too.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:33 PM

Bobert - Southern Oregon was rural, then Ronald Reagan drove the timber industry out, and those folks were replaced by retirees from California. It's so ant-tax now they can't aford to fix a pot-hole in a street, but it doesn't seem to have the racial histroy that the south has.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM

Yup. Blind anti-tax, no government, Tea-Bagger nonsense is an equal opportunity corn-holer.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 11:05 PM

I'm gonna assume that that last post was Rigs... No matter.... Seems whereever you are there is lots of evidence that alot of tax dollars, federal, sate or local, are being wasted by friggin' morons... Hey we got 'um right here in Page Co., Va...

I mean, they spend $2M fir property to build their new office complex on but don't bother to do a "study period" and end up writing a check for $2M for, ahhhhhh, flood plane land and they can't buld on it??? Then, to top that, they buy a piece of property that is owned by the richest family in the county, the Graves, fir 4 times it's value without a single public hearing...

But, and this is a bigass BUT, this is what ya'll get... Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show...

...kinda like the the inmates runnin' the joint....

Welcome to America (next empire to implode...)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:05 AM

what are you implying about state flags, when you make statements like the ones above? The Scottish rebels were defeated by the English in the 1700s, so now you're a backwater hick if you fly the Scottish flag? or should it just be removed from the Union Jack altogether?
That sounds like a bunch of old women complaining about a teenage girl in a short skirt, seems like there's way more important things to worry about. South Carolina has its problems, but its got nothing on any other state. Kinky Friedman took a pretty good shot at unseating Governor "39%" Perry, what did the Democratic party do? They smeared him and helped reelect the most pathetic, corrupt governor in Texas since the governor right before him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:36 PM

Yeah, Kinky Friedman would have made a great governor... Not too sure why the Dems didn't get on board 'cuase a party needs people like Kinky... I mean, he can go out and say things that the Dems are thinkin' but are afraid to say and a party bneeds folks like that... Heck, the Repubs have a bunch of folks like that... Congressman Wilson, Congressman Barton... These guys say and do the dumbest things that the Repubs think but can't say...

Kinky Friedman for President in 1012!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

...as well as 2012...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 09:50 PM

"...Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show."


               Can't argue with that, but it's not all about money. Remember the "busing" fiasco, then we got "affirmative action," "title nine," and they started screwing around with curriculum to drive down boy's math scores. So the only people who could succeed were folks who were good at running-off-at-the-mouth; the smart kids learned to sit at the back of the room and keep their mouths shut. Now we got a government full of those mouthy idiots and look at the shape.

               I'm not a tea party member, and I don't agree with a lot of what they're about, but smart kids being able to succeed is part of what the tea party movement is trying to bring back.

               The Democrats have Alvin Greene!

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 10:09 PM

It sounds to me like you may have been in the front of the room, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:06 AM

Yes, but at the time, that's where the smart kids sat.

             But seriously, I guy just came out with a book--I ordered it, it's not political, and so far I've just skimmed through it--but the name of it is "Why Boys Can't Learn." It has a lot to say about changes that have been made in public schools, and sheds some light on why boys are dropping out of school at such high rates.

             Mistakes have been made.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:57 PM

So the dumbing down of Texas textbooks was done by anti-tea-party forces? After all the tea partiers are all about being smarter.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

I'm not sure it has anything to do with the Tea Party, but the dumbing down of the Texas text books was done by people hopefully addicted to the ancient superstition of Christianity. We need to have people with clear heads writing text books so these kinds of things don't happen.

          Obviously, the Tea Party people who are smater are not those members who are so addicted.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:15 PM

No, Rigs... It ***is*** all about money... The Repubs have used whatever voting block they can energize to try to get themselves in power and therefore on the front teet of the money machine... They pretended to be all upset about things such as flag burning, abortion and other silly emotional things that the so0called Christain Right got lathered up over.... But the Christain Right is not as dependable a voting block so now its the Tea Party which couldn't care less about religion but still unenmlightned, less educated, emotional, pissed off people...

That is reality...

The Repubs are whores of the highest order... I'm not saying that the Dems aren't motivated by money also but the Dems just aren't as overtly whoring themselves to get to the money trough...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:21 PM

Yes, I think the Democrats are more impressed with power, so they'll forgo a little money to have the power. In either case, it's not a good thing for the small people.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:29 PM

there was a couple from West Texas, that for years, went to every meeting of the Text Book committee in Austin. I can't remember their names, but they single handedly changed a lot text books, and turned that process into the politically correct mess it is today. I think the 1960s was their heydey, and thats when they came to the attention of the media. At one point Playboy magazine ran a short article on them, where they answered some questions. One was what they thought about Catholics, (which is how I happened to be raised up). They didn't consider them Christians because 1) they didn't read the bible (very true)and 2)because they worshipped false gods. That one stumped me for a while, till I got in my parents' car and noticed the plastic St. Christopher, and we drove by a couple "bathtub Marys" (you see them all the time in Quebec, a statue of Mary in the front yard with an old, sawed in half bathtub over to keep the snow off) and I realized what they were saying, and it makes me feel proud to know I was raised in the old Celtic/european tradition of multi-god worship, and not the monotheistic plague that swept out of the stinking desert.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:31 PM

Good points all, mandatory...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandarory8
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:37 PM

The tea party started out just fine and for good reason, I'm sick of having money taken from me, by threat of force, to be used for corporate welfare and to kill more dark skinned people around the world. The only problem with the movement is allowing itself to be used by jackasses like Palin and Beck.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:09 PM

Actually the Tea party was the best funded 3rd party in American history.... If you look at the milliona and millions of dollars that Dick Armey's lobbiest firm spent on their Freedom Now project it makes Ross Perot look like some bum on the street... Make no bones about it, between FOX and Dick Armies clients it is a wonder that the Tea Party isn'tr even bigger...

The Tea Party was all drawn up in right wing think tanks... For anyone who thinks it is some kinda grassroots organization please step forward 'cause I have a bridge to sell ya'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:36 PM

But how does this relate to black candidates in South Carolina?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:54 PM

Well, Rigs, ol' buddy... It doesn't...

Just seems that these threads drift in and out....

But seriously, it does relate.... The Tea Party is part of an overall Republican strategy to get back to the big money thru winning back either the Seante ot House or both...

In manipulating the S.C. primary with a less than average intellegent black man they have worked wonders in energizin their redneck base who, inspite of their own intellectual shortcomings, can hypocritically look at Green as a representative of the collective intellegence of black people in general... This is nothing but back room right wing think tank crap being brought into the picture...

Where did Green get the money to run, Rigs??? Hey, he had to have a court appointed lawyer for the porno charge he is facing... If he had $10,000 sittin' somewhere then the court would have had him use that money to hire a lawyer...

This ain't rocket surgery here, Rigs...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 12:37 AM

Speaking of bridges for sale, and its time to smell the coffee ..... When you talk about the Congress and Presidency of the US, there are no Democrats or Republicans, there is only the ruling class.
and as for your concerns: Hahaha, the people want what?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

I don't know about this guy in South Carolina, but one thing to keep in mind about that part of the country, it started as a penal colony. The english emptied their jails and sent their criminals there, its in the genes. But I'd expect to see more of this as people wake up to how they've been used by both parties.
I was raised with an understanding that Working class families, ethnic types, academics, etc. were better off voting Democratic. The veil lifted from my eyes when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, and the middle class began to shrink, as high paying manufacturing jobs went to Mexico and then to China, so I held my nose when I voted for Obama, because I didn't expect much.
So who are he and the congress working for? It isn't for the American people. For China, yes, for the corrupt government of Mexico, yes, for Israel, yes, for Wall Street and Goldman-Sachs, yeah buddy.
I've paid my taxes and all I'm getting is a police state. If you feel good about that, you just keep sending those crooks your money. Matter of fact, I'm on unemployment now because of this economic irresponsibility, so if you're that stupid, send the government more taxes.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 AM

Well, mandatory, hate to split hairs but if you look at the programs and laws that have been enacted that tend to create more security for the working class you'll find that most were initiated and enacted under democratic administrations... Social Security, Medicare, The Civil Rights Act, Headstart, The Job Corps, Health Care Reform, etc...

Okay, I'll admit that I am not all that thrilled with the Health Care Reform but it is a start and will get tweeked in the coming years... The rest of these programs and laws have been aimed at the working class...

And this from a Greenie who also holds nose when voting fir Dems...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:11 AM

Your hypothesis explaining the political weirdness of South Carolina, Mandatory8, is not borne out by history. What about New England? England transported their criminals to that area before they sent them south.

Present-day residents in the New England states are a far cry from those roots.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:22 AM

I don't know; Joe Lieberman lives in Connecticut.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 11:53 AM

:)

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 01:41 PM

South Carolina... it started as a penal colony...

That was Georgia, but pretty much the same difference.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:17 PM

yeah, it was Georgia that was the penal colony, but the boundaries were defined poorly then, and if you've ever spent any time in Spartansburg....well, never mind that,
heaithcare has needed attention for a long time, its killing industry and small businesses, but when the nation's broke, those guys had no business creating another expense. If troops were pulled out of the middle east we'd have enough, not only for health care but free drinks for everybody. The real problem is costs, and there was no serious attempt to deal with that. Given, thats a hard thing to legislate, but now, Hospitals are allowed to operate as unregulated monopolies, and it'll continue to spiral. My god, been to an ER lately? Three hours in there costs as much as a new Martin guitar, all proportion is gone.
The thing that infuriates me about Democrats is they had so many bad laws to undo, and they didn't touch a thing, just went straight ahead with even more ill considered programs, (amnesty for illegals) which will, I predict, get a lot of them replaced by republicans. Then whats been gained?
Except for one or maybe two, I've got too much self respect to vote for a republican, but I'm independant now and the first thing I'm looking for on the ballot next time is a libertarian.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:49 PM

No, when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"... It's creatin' a means for the US to become more competitive... Hedge fund manager and credit default swap people spill the 10 year costs for health care every single day...

Now, when this legislation gets to tyhe tweeking stage I hope that the health care providers get the butt whup that is way overdue...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:57 PM

I'd never read about the english sending convicts to New England, but it doesn't surprise me, the Puritans were certainly persona non gratis in England at the time, a drive around Cape Breton will tell you where all the pesky highlanders went after 1745, actually we're all pretty much descended from the rebels, misfits and dregs of Europe, however that was defined at the time.
History is a funny thing, because only one side ever gets told. I'll bet 9 out of 10 people with college educations would tell you the civil war was fought over slavery, or that the colonists won their revolution because Washington was a military genius or maybe because the French entered the war, And that's the highly educated people, or the ones that can regurgitate whats been put in their head, and have a retention period of more than 5 minutes. Doesn't mean they've learned how to think, or to see patterns or know that history is going to repeat over and over and over again as long as those with the power aren't relieved of it often, very often.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Rigingslinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

"'...when yer sdpending 17% of yer GNP and you don't rank in the top 20 in most medical stats, other than infant mortality, and yer competition is spendin' 8-9% and ranking in the Top Ten then this ain't creating an "expensive program"...'

                Yeah, we ought to get rid of illegal immigration and put an end to all of that.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 10:44 PM

See, Rigs, here's the rub... Even though lots of folks are considered "illegal" they do get Social Security numbers and Drivers Licenses and all that and theese folks who are these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes... What that means is that we have one shit-load of "illegals" working every day, improving our economy because they will do the crappy jobs and... And this is a big ***AND***, they...

... are younger and they are supporting our retirees Social Security...

It a demographics kinda thing and aging population kinda thing but, like it or not, if you took all the "illegals" outta the FICA equation then you'd end up in a serious situation with Social Security...

I know... Horrors... How could "illegals" being helpin' our country??? Well, if you get beyond the emotional bullshit about immigrant and delve into reality (I know, horrors, part 2) then what we see is that these "illegals" are supporting the Baby Boomers Social Security...

I know, it's much easier to parrot the right wing talking points but, hey, the right wing ain't got shit figured out about reality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 08:08 AM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 12:22 PM

"...these so-called illegals are workin' for companies that take out stuff like FICA and federal income taxes..."

                Not very often. That's why crooked employers like to hire them. Not only can they pay very low wages, but they don't have to pay the payroll taxes as well.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 01:00 AM

apparently, to every president at least as far back as reagan, illegal doesn't mean illegal when it involves foreign nationals.
Just coming into the country illegally is a felony. If any of them pay social security taxes, etc., they're using stolen identities, that's two crimes. Simply put, the executive branch is derelict.
In this region, illegals are the main source of indigent care, which drives skyrocketing health care costs. Many smaller hospitals in south Texas have had to close their doors because of it. On top of that, they qualify for government programs. So, I'm paying for the cheap labor used by big food processing companies. That sounds fair.
Now you have local areas going broke because the federal government won't do their job. and I see this administration is going to sue Arizona, because the people there simply can't afford this mess anymore. Another good use of tax money. That's ok boys, it grows on trees and some people enjoy paying it.
Bush's thugs in the "justice department" were even putting border guards in jail for doing their jobs.
The American people are patient to a fault. we keep paying so somebody else can get rich.
and I'd feel better if any amnesty talk was for people living in tent cities instead of for known felons. I think harry read, and obama should go to work for the Mexican government, oh, why I guess they already do.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 08:07 AM

Good points, mandatory, but why not make that Hairy Reed?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:16 PM

Elisio Medina of SEIU...
                                                                   brags about illegal aliens

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM

Are you that dumb, dishonest, disingenuous,despicable, pdq?

Or maybe you don't know the difference?

Your linked video is of a Latino speaker who, far from "bragging about illegal aliens", specifically mentions "on a path to citizenship and eventually voters". He never once mentions illegal immigrants. Immigration to this country is LEGAL.

You owe us all an apology.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:38 PM

If people don't like that clip by Elisio Medina, there seem to be 57 more on YouTube.

Enjoy yourself.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:44 PM

You mean, pdq, that you stand by it? Did YOU watch the video?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 12:48 PM

Nah, Rigs... I don't think you've done yer homework on just how much is collected in taxes and FICA by "illegals"... It is a misconception that most are hired by crooked businessmen... A small businessman isn't going to do that all that much because, in not taking out taxes and FICA, he is subjecting himself to some serious auditin' from IRS... The problem in hiring someone under that table is that you can't use them as an expense yet you have to make the money to pay them... Even the dumbest business owners understand that... I mean, it's cheaper to hire someone and pay the taxes than to have to earn the money to pay them under the table and not show it as an expense... Basic Business 101...

BTW, up until 2004 I hired two such "illegals"... Great guys... Took out taxes...

BTW, Part 2... Given that many "illegals" won't be retiring here the money they put into FICA is like free money...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Jun 10 - 02:50 PM

pdq, are you going to sit by and let your 'mistake' go uncorrected? Or are you so intent on *winning* that you think people won't notice your deceitfulness?

BTW, 100.