BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation

Subject: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:09 PM

On the Gaza thread it was highlighted that the Canadian govt. have placed American band The Pixies on their official list of (get this) "Terrorist Organisations" for deciding to withdraw from a gig in Israel following the flotilla incident.

More here: Pixies cancel Israel gig
And here: Canadian govt. to place Pixies on list of Terrorist Organisations

"Peter Kent, Minister of State for Foreign Affairs (Americas), who said in an interview, "If the Pixies want to boycott Israel, then Canada is at war with the Pixies."
Asked if he was familiar with the Pixies' music, Kent replied that this was not germane to his decision. "I'm not familiar with [Hizbollah leader] Nasrallah's sermons but I know a terrorist when I see one.""

I must confess I was pretty shocked by the move. I wonder in particular how Canadian citizens (irrespective of how they feel about Israel) feel about the evident demonisation of such a form of passive protest in their country, and indeed the lumping together of a rock bands cancellation of a gig, with (for example) the authors of 9/11.

I don't know, maybe Canadian citizens won't find the implications of this action by the govt. particularly interesting, but - completely leaving aside the current Gaza controversy - if I were Canadian, I'd personally be very concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Amergin
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:14 PM

Wow....but you know anyone who is against the heavy handed tactics used by the Israeli government is an anti-semite who builds pipe bombs in their basement. I thought everyone knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:18 PM

I suspect it is either a publicity stunt, an advance pre-April Fools days joke or an internet fraud. Remember the internet fraud story about Gordon Lightfoot's death. I suspect its a similar one to that....to sucker in the gullible

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:19 PM

http://fengi.livejournal.com/1136830.html

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:20 PM

Fair point Ed T. I'll try to find some corroboration elsewhere online, meanwhile hopefully I'm just gullible :)

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:24 PM

Eh, I guess I should've checked it more thoroughly! Still, I'm glad it's a hoax!

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:25 PM

The cbc has mentioned the Pixies cancelling their Israel concert .... nothing about the government putting them on a terrosts list ... if the gov't has, then I'm sure it would be on the CBC by now ... or any other Canadian news site.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:30 PM

Peter Kent was a Noted Canadian Journalist for years before taking on this posting, and would be well aware of world issues. Also, one would not expect a position like that to be taken by Canada, especially under the current administration, who limits the fredom of government officials and Ministers to make policy statements, like that one, through the media. That is unless Kent has suddenly gone Helen Thomas on us:)

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: mousethief
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:35 PM

It's sort of a variant on Poe's Law. Nothing seems beyond some people.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:37 PM

When Frank Black said he wanted to grow up to be a Debaser, I'm not sure he had this in mind.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: meself
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:38 PM

"I don't know, maybe Canadian citizens won't find the implications of this action by the govt. particularly interesting"

Why not? Because they are not as politically-astute as you?

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:42 PM

"Why not? Because they are not as politically-astute as you?"

Err, no. I simply don't know how interesting someone else will find something that I find interesting. I was being self deprecating!

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:51 PM

Has anyone found any evidence that it is a hoax? I would be very relieved to learn that it is.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM

Seems even more odd that something like this would come out of a small conservative University (St. Marys) in a mid sized Canadian town.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 02:58 PM

Ed, do you have any evidence that this is a hoax?

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:12 PM

No....just my gut feeling...from all the pieces I mentioned.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:18 PM

Ok. I'll refrain from forming any opinions about it until I get more information. I hope it is a hoax.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:21 PM

There is nothing currently mentioning this on the major Canadian TV news stations web news, CBC or CTV, or on Canadian Press or on Broadcast News

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:23 PM

Here is a major Canadian news gathering site, that has no mention of it.
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:27 PM

If it is breakinfg Canadian News, it is normally listed on the top of this site, in the city where St Mary's University is located.http://thechronicleherald.ca/

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:28 PM

No mention of it.

but there is something in the CBC about Michel Cardin's lute being broken in 2 by Air Canada .. in case you don't know Michel a musician and a music professor at the University of Moncton here in N.B. ... he's pretty pissed about it all. Don't blame him one bit.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:32 PM

What about Elvis Costello? Why isn't he on the list? He cancelled... do you suppose Diana has pulled some strings?

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:33 PM

Something suspicious here though .... were the Pixies scheduled to play at the Ormocto Legion??

Oromocto legion destroyed by 'suspicious' fire

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:34 PM

to answer you gnu .... I don't think so ... she is still scheduled to play in Israel in August.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 03:57 PM

and, Fred Eaglesmith refused to play in a bar that holds less than 100 heavy drinkers.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:03 PM

This thread is a reminder to me not to forget to check sources - which indeed is something I usually endevour to do, including on the current Gaza thread, but never mind! We'll see how this one pans out, but hopefully those who suppose the story is a hoax are correct.

Nevertheless, maybe it's worth following this (non)story about demonising passive protest and boycotts up, with another less debatable one posted on the same thread (as posted by EmmaB). The issue remains the same: the (potential) criminalisation of choosing not to be a part of something one finds morally wrong:

CAN YOU MAKE AN INTERNATIONAL BOYCOTT ILLEGAL?
- The Land of Israel, a right-wing parliamentary lobby group committed to Jewish settlement of the West Bank seems to think you can…..

The Independent
Friday, 11 June 2010

"What do The Pixies, Elvis Costello, and Salam Fayyad, Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority, have in common? A cursory glance might suggest not much yet all have deeply irked Israel.

When Mr Fayyad first embarked on a door-to-door campaign to persuade Palestinians to shun all products made by Jewish settlers, the Israeli public simply shrugged.
But when veteran crooner Costello peered into his conscience and pulled a scheduled appearance in Tel Aviv, Israelis sat up and took notice.

Embattled and increasingly isolated, a group of politicians are now proposing a bill that would outlaw boycotts against the Jewish State, both homegrown and international.

After last week's deadly raid on the flotilla, US rock band The Pixies cancelled their gig. Several other bands have followed suit, prompting Israeli music promoter Shuki Weiss to complain that performers are waging a form of "cultural terrorism".

Human rights activists, meanwhile, decried efforts by politicians to alienate those critical of Israel with new legislation.

"We have wild right-wing politicians presenting wild demagogic bills ... which create a very nasty public atmosphere," said Adam Keller, spokesman for Gush Shalom, an Israeli NGO that has joined calls for a boycott of settler-made goods. "If this is passed into law, it would mean a total breakdown between Israel and the PA."

If I... were a Palestinian, I would certainly join the boycott that is being imposed on the settlements and their products," wrote Yossi Sarid, a commentator in liberal Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz. "After all, it would not be human to expect me to buy my tombstone from people who were determined to bury my hopes for a good life and independence." "

However Rod Stewart and Elton John are still scheduled to perform in Israel later this year and meanwhile, authors Margaret Atwood and Amitav Ghosh, the joint recipients of an Israeli literary award, have ignored calls from activists to refuse the prize.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:03 PM

Maybe it was some kinda trade-off behind closed doors, sIx? You know how international intrigue in the entertainment business works. Minds me a Julia Childs bein a covert double entendre.

But, that there stuff about the Legion right next to the largest militray training facility in the Commonwealth is real scarey. If the bastards can hit the Legion there, what hope do we have? LePreau is a goner man... you'd better get out of Saint John while you still don't glow in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:34 PM

I don't see any problems with the source (site where the article appears). But I have sent an email to the author of the article and asked him to provide some sources for his claim.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:37 PM

Cheers Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:03 PM

Ed T ..... do you have any prove to that statement of yours about Fred Eaglesmith ... I think you are trying to smear good Canadian talent with that one.

gnu .... I think your onto something there about Diana krall .. never thought about that. Hmmmm. Or maybe it's some other sort of ploy ... I mean who could stand listening to her for over an hour. It would be enough to drive anyone .... oh never mind.

BTW, I'm packing the car right now ... we're heading out of SJ as fast as we can .... that suspicious Legion fire was just some sort of preemptive strike to catch us Kanucks off guard before the big target.

biLL .. :)

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:25 PM

Diana krall .. who could stand listening to her for over an hour.
She performed before Bill Clinton, before Elvis discovered her talents, say no more.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm298818304/nm0005106

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Paul Burke
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 06:24 PM

Israel is falling victim to "cultural terrorism*," a top music promoter charged on Sunday, after US alternative rock group The Pixies cancelled their first-ever gig in the Jewish state. (link).

Are the Zionists determined to devalue the words "terrorism" (even more) and "holocaust"? Because (wolf boy) that's what will happen.

This spin for the brutal Israeli apartheid regime (not hyperbole- Israel tried to give White South Africa nuclear weapons) would be beyond contempt if they were not protected by President Barack Blair.

*Not the only use of the term

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM

I just got a response from the author. His article was typical eastern Canadian dry, biting wit. He was making a statement about "the Canadian government's slavish devotion to Israel".

I am very relieved. I would be amused if I didn't find the situation he's satirizing so tragic.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: GUEST,999
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:01 PM

Just saw this thread, Crow Sister. Canada knows how to pick the terrorist organizations it goes to war against. We ain`t stoop-ed. Except fer Harper.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:30 AM

"Canada knows how to pick the terrorist organizations it goes to war against. We ain`t stoop-ed. Except fer Harper."

Yes, in retrospect I was been gullible believing this story. And I should have checked further before posting.

Yet, in the UK not so long ago we had Blair's govt. *plagiarising a Ph'd student's thesis* off of the net, to use as supposed 'evidence' in support of the invasion of Iraq.

Honestly, who would credit that? It sounds like a spoof, but was for real! http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/feb/07/uk.internationaleducationnews

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:59 AM

That still doesn't make up for your mistake.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:05 AM

"That still doesn't make up for your mistake."

WHAT! So give me lines or something..

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:17 AM

I don't know about pixies, but there's a growing bedbug crisis in Toronto... a lot more parasites showing up for the G8/20 in 2 weeks.
1.1 billion $ will protect them for a couple of days...

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:20 AM

Railway!

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:40 AM

Crow Sister ... no punishment of writing lines will be applied. Instead you will have your iPod taken from you for 1 whole week ... and specifically, you will also abstain from listening to, or watching any videos whatsoever of the Pixies, and or any cover bands of the Pixies.

Do I make myself clear?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:23 PM

For greater clarity I think Joe probably aught to re-title this thread

"The Pixies aren't a Terrorist Organisation"

And edit my opening post too:

"if I were Canadian [and this story were actually true instead of being completely and utterly false], I'd personally be very concerned."

I'll do better than abstaining from the Pixies for a week, as I'm so ashamed for creating such a distressing thread, I'll also pledge to abstain from listening to Barry Manilow, Cliff Richard and Mary, Mungo and Midge for the rest of my life.. Can't say fairer than that.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:26 PM

I meant Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich of course, pesky typos...

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: number 6
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 07:10 PM

HAHA ... I haven't heard of those guys in years "Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich"

And about this thread ... no problem

biLL   *wink*

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 07:45 PM

bankley... $1.3B... parasites? Fookin leaches siphoning money for the "war" in Afghanistan. Bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:57 PM

It was my mistake. She got it from me. And in my defense, I have say a lot stranger things are happening these days. This item seemed to fit right in with all of the rest of it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 06:43 AM

Phew, thanks Carol! Now I can shamelessly indulge in terrifying (if not strictly 'terrorist') music: Breaking News: Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich are definitely Scary (but not quite Terrorists!)

Subject: RE: BS: The Pixies are a Terrorist Organisation
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 06:55 AM

PS. Yes, I think it's fairly easy to suppose something seemingly 'incredible' to be the truth.
As I posted up-thread, Government's do some incredibly dumb things and blatently lie in even more worrying ways - such as for example copying someone else's homework, failing to credit it, tippexing it to sound more war-sexy, pretending that it's 'military intelligence', and then using that bunch of crock to support the invasion of another country. You'd never credit it, but there you go..