BS: Time to sell the royal residences

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 11:22 PM

That's a passionate response to a five-year-old thread. . .

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: GUEST,WHICH RESIDENCE??
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 02:09 PM

What residence in particular are you referencing in your bombastic rally cry? To clarify Balmoral Castle & Estate along with the Sandringham House Estate are PRIVATELY OWNED BY HER MAJESTY. If you have your eyes fixed on any of the other main Royal Homes you'd best confirm the legality of ownership before taking offers. 1992 was the year of the Windsor Castle fire however it was also the year when a major legal anomaly was settled. That being who owns what, Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Frogmore, St James Palace, Kensington Palace, Clarence House form a small part of the 'Crown Estate' portfolio which is legally owned by the Sovereign of the United Kingdom "in right of the Crown". Now 1992 was useful as it demonstrated that the holdings are in no way public owned, should the mechanisms of Government elect to remove the Sovereign thereby removing 'The Crown' the Crown Estates in their entirety are no longer 'held in trust' instead, as confirmed by the Government & Judiciary, they become the personal property of the Head of the Dynasty, at the moment Her Majesty The Queen.

So please elaborate, excluding current personal holdings & Crown Estate holdings which become personal property should the Crown be overthrown, what properties you want to sell.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 02:59 PM

Once we've got rid of the fat cats who have wrecked the economy, and continue to rip us all off, it might make sense to turn our attention to royalty.

Doing it the other way round doesn't really seem to work too well in achieving a society without a grotesque distribution of wealth and power.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 01:44 PM

theleveller... I am not dodging any issues. Were I in a position to know the Queens finances, I feel I might be able to make an adequate assessment. You are declaring that the Royals are a waste of time, have no uses.... but had you read Lizzies posts... you might see that she describes some of them adequately. Have you read Lizzies posts?? Is it you who is dodging the issue??? Are you so entrenched in your own opinion that you cannot tolerate anything outside it?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 09:46 AM

Art, this is current news because the info has just been released.

Interesting comments about this and other issues including the subject of freedom of information and the monarchy here:

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Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 09:31 AM

"I did say, perhaps a quick look back over Lizzies earlier posts...... but I guess your opinion supercedes the need for that eh?? "

You're completely dodging the issue of this thread which was combined into an older one by Joe. Do you believe that the queen was right to apply for assistance from a fund designed to stop poverty-stricken people from dying of hypothermia? A straight 'yes' or 'no' will do. Is that really too scary for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 08:26 AM

We seem to be arguing over very old news. This all happened in 2005.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 08:07 AM

I did say, perhaps a quick look back over Lizzies earlier posts...... but I guess your opinion supercedes the need for that eh??

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 05:12 AM

Georgiansilver....perhaps a quick look back over my previous posts will tell you my answer to that. It would appear that you are being deliberately obtuse. I am bringing to people's attention another reason why we should be rid of this greedy, expensive and unrepresentative institution. If you feel so strongly about it, maybe you'd like to send a donation to help Liz Windsor keep warm - a thick pair of sock perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:50 AM

>>>>>>As for the monarchy having their uses, I can't find one.<<<<<< Leveller... perhaps a quick look back over Lizzies earlier posts to the thread might give you some idea of what at least some of the Monarchy do....

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:43 AM

In a time where everyone has had to tighten belts, for her to have so many homes is obscene and it can't be cheap for the day to day running and maintenance of these places let alone paying for all of the staff working in the homes. To hear that Liz is bleating poverty takes the cake. Do what the rest of us would have to do, sell up. Sorry I have no sympathy some ordinary folks are going through bad times themselves.

She could turn one of her properties into a 'fest'site get Richard Branson involved, I am sure performers Shirley Bassie, Ozzie, Macca and the Quo would oblige.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:28 AM

"Guess you are just making another effort to inflame!!!"

No, just having an opinion on this anachronistic institution. Fortunately, we are now able to do that in this country without being sent to the Tower (a position for which many thousands died). As for the monarchy having their uses, I can't find one.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:16 AM

Threads combined. No need for two currently active threads on the royal residences.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Queen asked for anti-poverty grant
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:08 AM

My elderly father would have a few words to say about that (not printable).

Subject: RE: BS: Queen asked for anti-poverty grant
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 04:06 AM

Where does the expression 'self styled queen of Britain' come from??? Who made you judge and jury over British Monarchy. They have their uses or they wouldn't still exist. Guess you are just making another effort to inflame!!! You failed.......

Subject: BS: Queen asked for anti-poverty grant
From: theleveller
Date: 24 Sep 10 - 03:43 AM

It appears that, in 1994, Liz Windsor, self-styled queen of Britain, asked for a £60m anti-poverty grant to heat her palaces. Luckily she was refused.

Queen seeks anti-poverty grant.


Bloody hell, that woman has the cheek of the devil (which is where she should go to if she isn't warm enough)!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 11:29 PM

The Queen actually owns Sandringham (1862) and Balmoral (1852), both were bought by Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. Upkeep for both is met by the Royal Family themselves. Castle of May was privately owned by the Queen Mother and was left to Prince Charles in her Will. So deduct those from the list of money earners they do not enter the equation.

I love the way "socialists" have this uncontrolled desire to tell people what THEY have to do, yet somehow the same strictures conveniently do not apply to themselves.

Places such as Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace and Holyrood are all "Official" Residences owned by the Government (Crown Estate) and are therefore are not options for disposal as your "President" would have to "officially" live somewhere and "officially" entertain somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 08:49 PM

"After all, what would the Vatican be worth if the Pope didn't live there?"

A museum and art gallery?

Well it was when I visited - I have no idea if the Pope was in residence or not

I thought that Buckingham Palace's 19 state rooms, ballroom and gardens were only open to paying visitors while the Queen is not in residence but making her annual visit to Balmoral.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 08:39 PM

Perhaps Penelope Rutledge could buy those palaces and bail the Royals out of this sticky wicket they are presently in.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 08:23 PM

Well, I was certainly glad that Queen Elizabeth was in residence at Buckingham Palace when I went to visit. The Tower of London was nice, but it was a disappointment that Anne Boleyn was no longer there.... I didn't even bother to pay the admission and go inside. Same with St. Paul's.

Think twice before you force the Windsors to vacate their palaces. Their presence is a terrific tourist attraction. After all, what would the Vatican be worth if the Pope didn't live there?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 07:53 PM

It seems this winter may see a few two or three corgi nights!

Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace

The Queen asked ministers for a poverty handout to help heat her palaces but was rebuffed because they feared it would be a public relations disaster, documents disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act reveal.

Royal aides were told that the £60m worth of energy-saving grants were aimed at families on low incomes and if the money was given to Buckingham Palace instead of housing associations or hospitals it could lead to "adverse publicity" for the Queen and the Government."

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: gnu
Date: 23 Sep 10 - 02:46 PM

Lil'bet, as I call her when we chat, Backwoodsman, is in a coin crunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 07:49 AM

Gnu, you are obviously not acquainted with Her Majesty on a personal basis at all. Those of us who are, are fully aware that her nickname in the family is 'Lillibet'.

We also know that HM is an avid Mudcat-Lurker (although Royal Protocol and UK constitutional rules prevent her from posting, as the ruler is required to have no official opinions), and that she removes from her Birthday Honours List all members who make wild and erroneous claims of being a family friend. So that's bye-bye to your hopes of becoming Lord Gnu of Mudcat! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: bubblyrat
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 05:17 AM

Interesting comments some of you have made !! Personally, I am pro-Royalist, although I must say that I feel that Their Highnesses OUGHT to be able to just flit between Windsor Castle and Buck House , or nip orf for weekends to stay with Anne or Charles, without incurring the added expense of maintaining Holyrood House,Sandringham, Balmoral, etc ., unless ,of course,they own them & pay for them from their own pocket.....The Castle of Mey ,if they MUST have a holiday home in Scotland, belonged to the Queen Mother anyway, didn't it ??
             Some of you have mentioned the way that Royalty behave in other countries, ie Holland.Well, I can't really see Elizabeth Regina or Philip of Macedonia cycling around Wapping dispensing general bonhomie and enquiring as to the well-being of Chalky, Smudger , and Fag-ash Lil, can you ?? No, I thought not.
                On the other hand,there are many,I suspect,of less noble birth,if not actually outright Plebs,who are on the fiddle,working a flanker, fraudulently claiming benefits,avoiding tax payments,and all the while having more than one residence,not to mention holiday homes & Pieds -a-Terres ,and generally being a curse to society & a drain on the National economy. So why not target these undesirables first,before getting bilious about Betty,furious with Phil,angry with Annie,or chokker with Charley ??

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 04:29 AM

Why don't we sell all the pictures and statues, that too would save money, and destroy our heritage.

Don't worry, John. The concept has been voiced and disputed for a long time and will contine to be so -

HMS Foudroyant

As I keep saying. It's not a question of getting rid. We want to keep the residencies and the royals. We just want to get the most out of them and ensure they make rather than waste money.

DISNEY!

Cheers

:D (eG)

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 04:08 AM

Do you know how much the present clutch of galleries are costing the UK tax payer?
While we're getting rid of the monarchy for reasons of a mass inferiority complex, among certain malcontents. Why don't we sell all the pictures and statues, that too would save money, and destroy our heritage.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 04:03 AM

The Louvre in Paris - a former royal palace - is one of the most visited buildings in the world. Why not turn Buckingham Palace into a world class art gallery/museum.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 06:31 PM

So if the monarchy was abolished what should the new name for the UK be?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:51 PM

Backwoodsman.

I call her Beth whenever we get together for gin and crumpets. Some of her best buds call her Liz, or Betty, or Two. But I am the the only one she lets call her Beth... besides Phil of course.

I always tease Phil when they drop by, out of Beth's earshot, fer sure eh. I say sommat like, "Best job in the world you lucky bugger. If you were King you would have to do a might more than just jump Beth." We always have a good laugh together over that.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:28 PM

'Er wots on the stamps with the posh 'at.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:22 PM

'E means Madge

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:04 PM

'er Majesty?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 02:23 AM

WTF is Beth?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:54 PM

It's claimed that Princess Margaret had a Mellotron.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:25 PM

I haven't seen Beth posting here lately. Has her favour for blues and folk music waned?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:20 PM

Such details probably won't matter too much if the workers are all getting free beer, McG, although I'm not sure who's going to pay for it..

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:26 PM

Surely the chorus still has to be "When the Red Revolution comes" - otherwise it doesn't scan?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 02:14 PM

That's about all they seem to have in common with 'the People' these days, G.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 12:29 PM

Surely politicians are 'of the people'; aren't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 12:20 PM

"Exactly - a fiasco!"

You've got me there. No point in discussing the relative merits of an idea with this sort of insightful response.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:57 AM

Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:19 AM

Tune : John Brown's Body (or the Battle Hymn of the Republic - please yourself)

The queen can make a living in a care home wiping bums (tris)
When the Revolution's here.

Cho : Free beer for all the workers (tris)
When the Revolution's here.

Harry and Willy can sell their arses on the 'Dilly (tris)
When the Revolution's here. Cho.

We'll put Anne and Camilla in a Moss Side knocking shop (tris)
When the Revolution's here. Cho.

Phil the Greek can make his living serving doner kebabs (tris)
When the Revolution's here. Cho

Charlie the gardener must be made to shovel shit (tris)
When the Revolution's here/. Cho.

Baldy Eddie poncing as Malvolio in the play (tris)
When the Revolution's here. Cho.

Andy acting caddie to Col. Montgomerie (tris)
When the Revolution's here. (Cho.)

Beatrice and Eugenie serving ale in Student Bars (tris)
When the Revolution's here.

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:12 AM

Exactly - a fiasco!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 10:34 AM

"What do you propose instead of the monarchy? Let's see what kind of a fiasco you can dream up!!"

Well, and elected president drawn from people not representing a political party, corporate interests or any religion. Cap the expenditure of the office and scrutinise every aspect of it's spending and fix the term of office to four years. Cut all ties with the Church to separate Church from State.

Keep the Commons, reform the Lords and make it elected from all tiers of society regardless of class, social or ethnic background, wealth etc.

Simple!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:49 AM

You don't know that! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:30 AM

And of course none of them can play polo!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:29 AM

Absolutely!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:32 AM

Well Bonzo, I'd probably qualify as a 'Lefty' from your POV, (even though I'm not a natural Labour voter!) but I'd rather have the Windsors than the Bushes, Clintons, Reagans, Sarkozys and Merkels of this world.

Just imagine, 'President Brown' or, even worse, 'President Cameron' - For F**k's Sake beam me up, Scotty! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:39 AM

I think that it's just the concept of a monarchy that gets up their lefty noses, the potentially higher cost of a presidency is simply ignored. They'll be wanting a revolution next and "to be free"!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Time to sell the royal residences
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:32 AM

"Actually Backwoodsman the bulk of the estimated £50 million security bill is NOT the time spent shadowing young royals and driving them home from nightclubs , but the fixed costs of guarding the number of royal residences with armed officers around the clock

In fact, neither of Princess Anne's children get routine cover because their mother considers it a waste of public money."

The point I was trying to make, Emma, is that the bill for police protection would be at least as large, maybe considerably larger, if they were protecting a President and his family instead of the Royal family. If people imagine that, by doing away with the Royal family and becoming a Republic with a President and attendant entourage, we are going to save a shedload of money, they are guilty of some real serious self-deception.

There may be legitimate justifications for getting rid of Royalty, but I seriously doubt that 'Economy' would feature in the list.