When will Mudcat clean up its act?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:34 PM

Many people know that I am a Christian... and as such I do not like to hear or see expletives in use... however.... if I open a thread, I can always close it again if I don't like the content the same as I can ignore things on the street. We all have choices.. If you choose to be here then you may encounter 'all manner of things' which you don't like.. TOUGH... the site wasn't designed with anyone in particular in mind other than perhaps people who appreciate/write/perform..... Folk music........ If you can't stand the heat. get out of the kitchen I say!

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:45 PM

Sean Mc (lower case c) brilliantly riposted with this intellectual gem:

What a bunch of morons

Sean, thank you for raising the tone of MC (capital C)!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Mooh
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:48 PM

WTF?

I liked George Carlin's view that fuck is the beginning of life (though I'm not RC or PC). Seems that we all started that way anyway.

"I guess I will just have to exercise my option by not coming back." OP said.

That's like leaving town because one person or group swears. This is a community, and though there are general values (for lack of a better term or more imagination on my part), that's not what binds us together.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:54 PM

Hey, Mooh!! Long time no hear!! Welcome back.

Methinks the moronism doth show loud in accusation...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:01 PM

"What a bunch of morons"

Well! How Pisspot Rude is that???????

Nope, got it wrong Sean..

We're a bunch of fucking morons on Mudcat...and proud to be so, because it's one of the last places where free thought rules and grown ups are allowed to be exactly that...Those that moan about swearing usually end up in turnip fields, arse end downwards, on here, so be careful! ;0)

I noticed you sign in as 'Sean Mc', so I guess you're a little embarrassed by the remainder of your name..so..er...would you be one of the McFucks, at all? It's just that I've heard they're bloody brilliant at expl*t**g all over the place...so I got to thinking that maybe you're just fuck*** wind*** everyone up a little....

;0)

The BBC Radio 2 F&A site is an excellent site for no swear words..Hell, you can't even write about c*c*erels on there! Nor go c*c*adoodledooooooo!

I'd suggest you try it..and it's filled with Moaning Minnies! Trust me, you'll fuckin' LOVE it!

:0)

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Mooh
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:04 PM

Amos, thanks. Been east (mostly NS) for a couple of weeks after being busier than I want to be for months.

Maybe all roads lead to Mudcat, regardless of cuss words.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Llizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:10 PM

Bruce, you're gonna love this! ;0)

Here you go, Sean..the new way to destress:
The Way of 'Fuck It' - Honest, it's a real site..and..I have the BOOK! :0)


And here's the Youtube version...Sean, you so need to sign up for this.. ;0)

You see, Sean...ALL you need to do is say "Fuck it!" every time you see the 'F' word and all the stress drains out of you.

Over here in Torquay the air is filled with Fucks for all sorts of different reasons! It's used as a greeting, as a warning, as an OUCH!, as an OOH!, as a MY word but she's a stunner!, as Goodbye, as calling to a friend...

Yes, Torquay is the ultimate fucking town...and at night they even put the word to the actual Oxford English Dictionary descriptional usage, down on the harbour side...

Ah yes, The fucking English Riviera ain't wot it used 2 B


LOL

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:14 PM

We rightly now stigmatise the antics of the Rev Dr Bowdler. The OP is the same. You cannot discuss "folk" if you are to be limited in the words that may be discussed. It follows from the 1954 definition.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:15 PM

Well I might as well weigh in too...being an outspoken sort..sometimes.
I find it rather umm, GREAT that there is a website, in which one can express their angst virtually any way they want..within reason!(God only knows, I've pushed the envelope a few times).

As a person who composes(me), the dynamics of emotions, I find rather useful, and stimulating...even with the posters I have had 'tiffs' with. Frankly, if 'The Mudcat Forum' was to 'clean up its act', perhaps, instead of posters posting, we would just have impostors posing and posturing !!!!
I surely hope, as a musician, you aren't as squeamish about the places you MIGHT play, or the audiences that MIGHT listen. Perhaps they should go through a 'mind cleansing' before you'd let them into the room! Get real, and get over it!
.......oh, and quit being a phony!!
I best conclude this, before I get started, and unleash on ya'..(though it may well be entertaining)

Most Sincerely,
GfS

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:19 PM

This is one thing that really bugs me: how some people can get so offended at just reading the word "fuck", but can easily call other human beings "morons".

I think the latter is far more evil than the former. I think name calling and ridicule ere usually a bottom-of-the-barrel, desperate tactics, no matter who they're aimed at.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Barrt
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:30 PM

Get real, man...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM

well fuck me sideways!
i have read some weird threads on here, but this is daft, and you lot are daft for reading and posting to it!
me? i am above such fucking stupidity.

hope all is well with everyone?
take care
jade x x x x

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:37 PM

Jeri: "This is one thing that really bugs me: how some people can get so offended at just reading the word "fuck", but can easily call other human beings "morons".

Jeri, Perhaps it comes easy for someone, who is not offended about thinking about fucking morons!... not knowing, what either is!

GfS: "Ok..Down GfS... Get back in your cage!"....GfS: "OK"

(Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm a schizophrenic,
And so am I!)

Wink,
GfS

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM

Dunbar, 1505- Poems, lxxv, Be his feiris he wald haue fukkit.

Rochester, 1680- Poems on Several Occasions, Much wine had passed with grave discourse, Of who Fucks who, and who does worse.

A. Robertson, 1750- Poems, But she gave proof that she could fuck.

Joyce, 1922- Ulysses, His wife is fucked yes and damn well fucked too.

OED.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Tootler
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 06:05 PM

...fuck me sideways!

Interesting........hmmm

The mind boggles

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 06:13 PM

My post got scissored. It should have read "I was recently slandered by a guest, an accusation was made which was a complete pack of lies,the person got away with it because they were anonymous, this could not have happened if the site was members only."

Bit rich, actually, Dick, considering that you are prone, at least on one site we both know well, to changing your user name extremely frequently and even resorting to the name "anon" at one time. Either use your real name (like me) or stop complaining. One or the other.

Subject: Lyr Add: Sideways, the Kipper Family
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 06:14 PM

The Kippers, from In the Family Way

We Did It Sideways

And now - the end is nigh,
Our business soon - will be completed,
But e'er - we say good-bye,
We've this to add - so please stay seated.
Now we - have hunted crabs,
Both from the shore - and in the tide ways,
But more, much more than that,
We did it side-ways.

What is a crab - what have it got,
If not eight legs - then it is not.
What e'er its part - in the creation,
Still that is not - a true crustation.
The way to tell - is like ourselves,
They do it side-ways.

Cuz yes - I've had a few,
But then again - too few to mention,
They taste - of nought at all,
And always give - us indigestion.
So when - we near King's Lynn,
Where they are served - in funny fried ways,
We snort - please pass the port,
And do it side-ways.

Once et a meal - they give us trout,
We ate it up - and spat it out,
And though they stayed - and called us selfish,
We would not eat - what is not shellfish,
We couldn't stop - we had to hop,
But did it side-ways.

They say - a man must do,
What he must do - that's why we did it.
We always - caught the crabs,
We're proud to say - we never hid it.
We meet - young ladies sweet,
Who try to tempt - us in untried ways,
But always - love our wives,
And do it side-ways.

And now - the end have come.
spoken: And none too soon in my humble opinion

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 07:15 PM

Joe, thanks for mentioning the "clean" sites at 2:03 PM. One was new to me, and exploring around, I found folk songs such as "William Grismond" and "Sweet Joan" which have lyrics as insinuating and potentially bawdy as any one may find.
You're always on top, in my book.

Sheila

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Brian May
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:11 AM

What a refreshing thread.

Now I KNOW why I visit one of the last bastions of free thought and expression, even if it DOES contain the 'f' word now and again.

Err . . . that's life . . . isn't it?

Have fun,

Brian

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:27 AM

My mother hid her John Jacob Niles records, when we were younger. She didn't think her growing daughters should listen to the likes of "Little Mattie Groves".
Then, one day, on the Smothers Brothers" show, Donovan sang, "We were only having a laugh, and a giggle in a bubbly bath, when in walked her mother and her big brother."

Mom's John Jacob Niles records came out of hiding, as did her volume of Restoration Comedies, knowing that we would see worse on television.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 05:25 AM

Rafflesbear: I wonder if there is an Atlantic divide on this. I write from east of the pond and PERSONALLY would prefer that all subject titles were 'clean'

for some reason I find it more distracting in the context of Mudcat than I do when watching a film such as Die Hard which I enjoy
_____________

No Atlantic divide here...I thought Joe O's long post above summed it up perfectly, and I'm east of the pond too.

I use a climbing site where *almost* anything goes, except that it auto-edits words from a "no-no" list, leading to "c**kerell", "Sc**thorpe, "Wast**ter" etc. People just get around it by typing "tw@" or "fcuk" or eliding words to come up with something like "twunt" which now seems to be the insult of choice on that site. Debate there is very robust, and I've never understood why they get so prissy about "swear" words.

Another site I use is so "fluffy" that the minute anyone disagrees with someone else on a thread, the affected person is likely to flounce off or break down into "virtual tears". That one has the most rigorous word-censorship I've ever seen anywhere. Debate there is boring and sterile and everyone tiptoes around issues for fear of giving offence.

I like this site...the balance is just right, AFAIC. I find the mechanics of using it a bit frustrating at times, but understand now why it is as it is, and have adapted accordingly.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 06:00 AM

A bit like going to a folk club and someone starts singing D-I-V-O-R-C-E

:-)

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: TheSnail
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 06:03 AM

"We were only having a laugh, and a giggle in a bubbly bath, when in walked her mother and her big brother."

Of course in a traditional song, it would have been her seven brothers who walked in and argued amongst themselves for a bit until one of them ran him through.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 06:15 AM

I always thought PG was Pretty Good.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 08:23 AM

Perhaps I didn't hit submit so I'll say again to Sean Mc, if you don't like it here don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 09:47 AM

Shouldn't that be *rs*?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: open mike
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:25 AM

I can see how having "certain" words spelled out in thread titles might offend someone, and turn off newcomers to the site. Perhaps titles could have A*teri*ks , but the messages could contain the full words. there is a certain thread which mentions a song called F**k
Jane Fonda, which expresses a certain personal slanderous comment.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:33 AM

Does anyone really believe asterisks soften the blow? I mean, Is F**K you more acceptable than Fuck you ?

What's more, the confusion it created, I know people who write F**k when they mean Folk.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM

I think that words widely considered objectionable should be 'edited' IN THREAD TITLES. Then, the full text is easily found by looking.
- BillD -

That's exactly the point we tried to make years ago in "that" thread, at least I *think* we're talking about the same one.

I don't give a damn about fuck being in any titles, but I do not like to see racist labels in the thread titles. In the songs, for authenticity, okay, but as Bill said, it'd be better, imo, if they were not in the thread titles.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:00 AM

but I do not like to see racist labels in the thread titles. In the songs, for authenticity, okay,

So - good old authentic traditional racism is okay? Which differs from any other brand of racism how exactly? Please explain.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:01 AM

"Is F**K you more acceptable than Fuck you ?"

Yes...IN THE TITLE... to repeat my opinion: When casual browsers, especially kids, scan a list of threads it avoids shock, and it helps avoid having filter programs refuse access to the entire Mudcat page! The filter programs do not open the threads to see what is in them....they only 'see' what is on open display. Thus, those who WISH to read about explicit songs may do so, and those who come here NOT wanting such songs have fair warning.
It's about the closest we can come to a fair compromise.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:06 AM

[i]Yes...IN THE TITLE... to repeat my opinion[/i]

I find that strange and I don't understand it. Is it a sort of make believe the word isn't actually there?

My point of view ofcourse.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: BobKnight
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:13 AM

The world is full of people trying to impose their ideas of what's right on others - mostly religious extremists who seem to be outraged at just about everything. They piss me off - big time. Where my soap-box - I feel a rant coming on.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:13 AM

The anti-profanity PROGRAMS don't care if you can figure out what the asterisks represent. So yes, for all practical purposes, you are fooling the programs into thinking the word isn't actually there.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:17 AM

I find it strange that you do not understand it. Of course most humans looking at the title will know exactly what the asterisks stand for....I said clearly that the 'main' use is to not trip filtering programs, so that someone looking for love songs will not be blocked IF that thread is currently visible.
It will also be a slight relief to those who 'tend' to be offended by list of 'naughty words, but if that was all **s did, I would not bother.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:19 AM

There ..cross-posted explanations.... better?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:29 AM

Where is Thomas Bowdler when we need him?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:32 AM

He's in He** with Anthony Comstock.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:32 AM

Fair enough I missed that bit:

and it helps avoid having filter programs refuse access to the entire Mudcat page! The filter programs do not open the threads to see what is in them....they only 'see' what is on open display.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: maeve
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM

He's been Bowdlerised, Dick.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:36 AM

That would be D**k then wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 11:54 AM

LOLOL...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Haruo
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 12:30 PM

The Mudcat is an ideal place to display and discuss fuck music, I think. I presume in this thread Sean Mc got what he wanted.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,me
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:16 PM

When will water stop flowing downhill?

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: open mike
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:35 PM

I always thought PG was "Pregnant"

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:39 PM

I have to admit being a bit perplexed when I saw the thread title... and then a tad annoyed at the presumption that some songs had no business being discussed at all. Has the ghost of Francis Childs returned and is attempting to asert puritanical control over traditional & folk music?

The use of "whilst" leads me to assume that the poster lives across the pond and makes me once again glad that (in spite of the best attempts by the puritanical right wingers)that I and the folks who run Mudcat live in the "US of A" and have a constitutional right to freedom of speech. And one consequence of that right is that it applies across the board - any and every viewpoint has the same right of expression. A hell of a lot of blood has been shed over the years to ensure that some very basic freedoms have been preserved for us and our decendents.

Thankfully, this small scirmish is being conducted using keyboards and not guns or other lethal devices. But I can't help but think of all the places on this planet where the right to think for myself or express my own opinions is but a forlorn hope. Makes me wonder what Woody Guthrie would have had to say about it.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:45 PM

I would also propose that besides Dick, we remove Peter and John as well. Then of course there is pussy, cock, gay, jig, pork, screw, hump, suck, ball, bone, tits, booby, trim.........................

Can we all just move on now from the moronic, broke-dick, jadrool, that started this thread and allow him the privacy to go fuck himself?


Spaw

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:49 PM

....and just so nobody is taken aback, let me assure you that Spaw is simply being affectionate, in his own f***ing way...

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:50 PM

I would also propose that besides Dick, we remove Peter and John as well. Then of course there is pussy, cock, gay, jig, pork, screw, hump, suck, ball, bone, tits, booby, trim..............

And Ireland's favourites, Mickey and Fanny?

Once you start there's no end to it.

Subject: RE: When will Mudcat clean up its act?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 10 - 01:52 PM

Spawpologist!