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Songs done - lost forever?

GUEST,Fyldeplayer 12 Aug 10 - 06:58 AM
The Fooles Troupe 12 Aug 10 - 09:55 AM
Uncle_DaveO 12 Aug 10 - 10:07 AM
dick greenhaus 12 Aug 10 - 12:09 PM
Paul Burke 12 Aug 10 - 01:23 PM
Nancy King 12 Aug 10 - 01:50 PM
Dan Schatz 12 Aug 10 - 02:24 PM
CupOfTea 12 Aug 10 - 03:57 PM
GUEST,Fyldeplayer 13 Aug 10 - 04:18 AM
GUEST,leeneia 13 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM
The Fooles Troupe 13 Aug 10 - 08:29 PM
Art Thieme 14 Aug 10 - 04:21 PM
Bill D 14 Aug 10 - 04:28 PM
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Subject: Songs done - lost forever?
From: GUEST,Fyldeplayer
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 06:58 AM

Browsing an old folder of lyrics recently ( hand written, pre PC ) I realised how many songs done in the distant past, I simple can't recall, tune, timing, context etc.

Is there a cure for this - is it inevitable that learning new material erases songs and tunes beyond a certain vintage.

I eat my greens and change my strings regularly - what's happening?


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 09:55 AM

Forgotten due to lack of practice, mate.

The brain loses approx 50% of the information gained during one day within 24 hours.

The drop off then tapers off as time proceeds, but there is a point at which almost all useful data tends towards zero.

Actually the most helpful assist to remembering such things - is to hear a neighbour play the tunes - at which time, you remember a large chunk of what you thought you forgot!


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 10:07 AM

Another way of thinking about that is that the material is there, but the problem is access or retrieval. The neighbor's playing leads you to the "lost" song.

Access and retrieval of tunes and of words of a song are different problems, in my experience. They are stored at different places in your brain, or maybe it's "stored with a different coding". I find that usually a tune will come back essentially whole, but the words are harder, if it's a long connected series. But if there's a strong story line it's a lot easier.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 12:09 PM

of course, that's what written music and recorded music were invented for...


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:23 PM

Memory is associative, so if you can estimate the time when you learned the song, try to think of something associated with that time. For example, perhaps you were with a woman of, say, 23 then. Go and get very friendly with another 23 year old woman, and the song should come back to you. Of course, it could be a bit embarrassing if you learned it at 14 and your first girlfriend was 13...


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Nancy King
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 01:50 PM

I have found that my feeble brain seems to have room for only 10-15 songs at a time. If I learn a new one (getting harder these days), one drops out. But I never know which one has dropped out until I try to sing it in front of others. Sigh. I can almost always retrieve the lost ones, but often need a cheat sheet. No doubt more frequent practice would help.


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 02:24 PM

Eat blueberries. Good for the memory!

Dan


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: CupOfTea
Date: 12 Aug 10 - 03:57 PM

Eat blueberries. Good for the memory! Dan

Ooooooohhhh I do love that as an excuse for the extravagance of blueberries!

On forgotten songs - I keep a "fakebook" of songs I sing, songs I'm learning, and songs I'm planning on learning. Right now I'm on the 6th edition. The first two were paste-up copy machine efforts, those since on computer, gleaned from all over the place. It's a mix of sheet music, lyrics with chords or just lyrics for the melodies that are deeply ingrained. The last couple have included a tune section for dance band music as that gets added to my repertoire.

With each new edition (and I keep the old ones about) I'm surprised to find that there are things that get deleted along with additions. Some I just didn't want to sing as much as I thought, my taste has changed, or they weren't as fun/easy/comfortable to play. In this way, songs fall out of my repertoire on purpose. Going through my book ever'so often makes me think on songs I havn't sung for awhile and decide if I should run through them more regularly to keep them in the always accessible memory.

Even if you're not a performer (I'm not really) you have a repertoire, and keeping a repertoire going needs work; like exercise, it needs doing regularly.

Joanne in Cleveland


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: GUEST,Fyldeplayer
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 04:18 AM

Like many of you I have a 'current' repertoire, these 'lost songs' are more like looking back at photos when you can't relate to that distant person you were.

Now with mp3/digital recorders - even a rough 'take' captures every musical idea, but those little SD cards just wanna get lost!

No time for practice just now, I'm off for a piece of blueberry pie with a woman 30 years my junior!


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 11:34 AM

" I simply can't recall, tune, timing.."

If they were in general circulation, find Google Advanced Search and enter the title plus MIDI on the first line. You may find a file of it, then you can download it, using a music program. Maybe you will find an mp3 to buy.

If you composed it yourself, just compose a new tune. You can get a device at Radio Shack or Office Depot to record it on.

If you wish to recall the old tune, study the lyrics, then turn off things that compete for the sound-processing parts of your brain. The TV, radio, etc. Have that recorder by your bedside, because the tune may pop into your head first thing in the morning.

I sometimes wake up in the morning with music in my head, or the answer to a problem.

Is 'the woman 30 years your junior' your daughter? She may remember some tunes. Enjoy the blueberries.


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Aug 10 - 08:29 PM

"brain seems to have room for only 10-15 songs at a time"

My limit seems to be about 3 tunes without the cheat sheets (mainly either an instrumentalist OR a singer - that's me...) .... if I just sit down and start noodling, I can recall large numbers of tunes - but I prefer to be a little more rehearsed if trying for a 'performance'...


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Aug 10 - 04:21 PM

Trying to recall songs I did all the time is a reason for depression these days. When your memory goes, forget it! But the songs I found that I really felt were important, and ought to be held onto for othrs because of their being the artifacts they are, those be the ones I recorded.


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 10 - 04:28 PM

The longer ago I learned it, the easier it is to remember. Maybe the oldest ones got nice safe 'seats' on the memory shelves, while recent ones have to cling precariously to the edges.


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 14 Aug 10 - 04:48 PM

I'd agree with that Bill. The same works for me! Ifn I'm tired at the end of a gig, then it has to be the songs I've known for many a year that get sung!

Art, we're all mighty glad you did record them too!

Best wishes,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Aug 10 - 05:10 PM

I'm having an interesting experience along the lines of this topic. I'ts close to two years now that I started my archiving project. I'm archiving 260 reel to reel tape recordings of old hoots, concerts, practice session, etc, that go back to the mid 50's. I'm also working with over 400 cassettes. Spending the hours I have, re-living these wonderful events, I'm finding that my repitoire is re-inventing itself, yet again. (anyone want all 38 verses of Mattie Groves?). bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: Songs done - lost forever?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 10 - 06:08 PM

...you mean you DON'T have the 39th! ;>)


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