BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 03:27 PM

I have not heard enough of Mr Beck to draw conclusions, but Al Sharpton as a standard bearer for Marting Luther King's idealistic speeches and brave public stances is enough to put me off my lunch.

So...thanks Mr. Sharpton!

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 05 Sep 10 - 12:54 PM

This is an interesting and different perspective on Beck and his event: Dr. King's Newest Marcher, By Taylor Branch, OpEd in the NY Times.

It does not address Beck's hateful statements the very next day, which I heard echoed exactly by some high-up in the Southern Baptist church in an interview on Monday, but does it hold up some hope? Probably it depends a lot on whom he chooses to spend his time with.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 06:32 PM

I read that op-ed, Kat... Purdy interesting... Me thinks that before Rev. Beck get's back in the pulpit he might want to check out seminary... I mean, AA just ain't quite all that is needed to be ordained... At least in most churches...

No matter... The man has alot of cinfusion about theology...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 01:15 PM

Barney Frank
asking woman what planet she spends her time on. He also said having a conversation with her would be like arguing with a table. I love this guy.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Sep 10 - 12:33 PM

Excellent op/ed piece about Beck and his disdain for "liberation theology," HERE. Here's part of it:


Glenn Beck's opposition to "social justice" and "liberation theology" is all the more difficult to understand because of his cloaking of himself in the mantle of devout believer. "Look to God and make your choice," he said during his rally on Sunday.

If he looked at Jesus more carefully he would see someone who already made a choice: for the poor.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:28 PM

..tail between his legs.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:38 PM

Weren't all that Clinton left office with...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 07:00 PM

At least Clinton left office with a balanced budget and no deficit, despite Ken Starr and harassment from the GOP.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 05:01 PM

Nixon was presented with the first model of a health care industry to be doled out by HMO's.

He was shown the great new corporate profits for Republican middlemen and so he introduced the first HMO health care delivery system with each middleman taking a huge slice of the pie paid for by medicine denied and operations the insurance company would refuse to pay for. ( See Sicko)

For example the school lunch program for kids getting a breakfast lunch and dinner snack is $6.98 in our neck of the woods. Exactly one dollar goes toward the food and the rest is administrative costs.

With health care for every one hundred dollars of health care you pay for, $88 dollars is administrative.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 04:44 PM

I don't give Nixon all that much blame, Donuel... He was too busy with his own problems to begine dismantlin' the post-GreatDepression regulations... But Clinton sho nuff didn't buck Ronnie-omics... Just let the Fat Cats steal whatever they could that the workin' class didn't nail down...

As for Beck and Palin promoting an atmosphere where folks might try to harm or kill Obama??? Yeah... Palin never once stood up to her redneck crowds where "Kill him" and "Hang him" were yelled... Meanwhile, Beck was stirrin' these folks up... To date, I can't think of one time any Repub has ever stood up and said "No need for this kinda hate speech"... No, the Repubs love it...

McCain did have that one ***good moment*** when he told that woman that Obama was not a Muslim but I think that one ***good moment*** is about it for the Repubs, Beck and Ms. Sarah...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:35 PM

Cool Beans - PM
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 05:18 PM

Al Sharpton, Glenn Beck: Douchebags of the Left and Right. I hope they're happy together.



" Douche' "

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:27 PM

I agree with the Reaganomic take over of the Executive branch by Wall St.
Other damage goes back to Nixon, Bush 1 and Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:24 PM

PDQ
Beck is villanous first and formost for inciting people to kill the President. He has done so in a myriad of ways, all of which can be viewed but is a thread in itself. After that the rest of his false history lessons and theological rants in support of the Corporate status quo is actually a refined think tank generated brain washing technique. As cheesy as it looks it has very real ramifications.

Beck's rants have come out of other people's mouths at town hall meetings all over this country. His rhetoric coming out of a woman's mouth at a town hall meeting with Barney Frank took Barney by surprise and Barney asked the lady if she was from Mars. She was merely repeating the nutzoid rants from the Beck show which occupies 21 hours on the Fox cable channel every week. His radio broadcasts occupy over 8 hours a week on Clear Channel AM stations.

Stephen Colbert and John Stewart are so far the best antidote for Glen Beck's formula for inspiring anxiety, hate and division through the use of religion, delusional analogies and historic distortions.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:10 PM

Excellent work, Donuel. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM

Wasn't just the banks, Donuel...

As you are well aware, the US working class has been fleeced at every turn going back to Reagan's deregulations and less and less control over the markets... The bottom line is that there has been a massive redistribution of wealth to the wealthy and away from the working class...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 03:06 PM

My Inheriting the wind cartoon



http://usera.ImageCave.com/donuel/don/judge.gif

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 01:18 PM

The wind metaphor works well during hurricane season.

B ruce, The TImes?! Can't you find an American owned media other than the Korean owned Washington Times and Australian and Saudi Arabian owned Wall St. Journal?   Or do you revile the NYT for being American? (rhetorical question)
May you have an uneventful Hurricane Earl.



I buy American. I even buy General Motors despite the mentally challenged (aka retarded) management. But to be honest I will look at media from any nation while reserving judgement of its veracity by the sources cited and ownership.




If beggars got wishes:

I speculate that If Senator Kennedy had not been striken the Health care reform would have been delivered more efficiently and comfortably. A stimulus plan along the lines of a sweeping FDR deal would have been passed while the banks would probably have still recieved the treasury on a velvet pillow.

This would have bought us more time. I wish Barak had been as honest and direct in his response to banksters as FDR was BUT the world economy would have probably had a dozen or more Greece backrupt scenarios which would make make recovery speedier at the expense of much desperation, violence and extreme economic turmoil in the short run.

It will take a realistic 15 years to weather the blow of the greatest banking take over and theft the world has known since Spanish Conquistadors sacked all the gold from South America.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:52 PM

Donuel, thank you for your spot-on take on things, for the courage to continue posting, you, too, Bobert, and for the compliment. Yes, many of us are thoughtful...I wish more had to energy/willingness to post more. I understand not wanting to stick one's neck out or dipping a toe in.

To Heck with Beck...I LIKE that! And, you're right...what has happened to the used-to-be vocal Left? I guess some have forgotten the old adage, fight fire with fire. I wish President Obama would be be less centrist and really kick some ass, so to speak!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:39 PM

Donuel,


Speaking of winds and religious based states...




"Barack Obama's victory in last week's presidential election has sent a gust of change blasting through the Senate, leaving this most stable and august legislative body in a state of unprecedented upheaval. "


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5119249.ece

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 12:22 PM

Seems we're on the same page here, Donuel...

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:13 AM

"A great storm will sweep across your nation bringing the truth of Allah to every man woman and child"
bin Laden

"A great wind is blowing across our country restoring the truth of Jesus Christ and the promise for redemption"
Glen Beck


The formula for religious based states is the same, but the people who use them are waaay different.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 11:02 AM

Donuel,

Do you see the similarities between Beck and bin Laden??? I sho nuff do...

And now that the Talioban is having a bumper crop of fresh terrorist recruits over the non-issue mosque that Beck & Company have stirred up I'm not all to sure that Beck and bin Laden might not have each others cell phone numbers...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:53 AM

PS
Kat, I sould add that it goes without question that you too are a thoughtful American as well as many others here. (Too many to mention)

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 10:30 AM

Bobert,
you are as Obama has defined, "a thoughtful American". Like myself you may not be a genius or a singular expert in your fields of endeavor but you are courageously sincere and honest as you employ your own words. To my surprise the "stars" of mudcat seem to more often copy and paste than risk being charged with personal hyperbole or polemics. So go ahead AMos and tell me what you really think ;)

I emplore you to continue to speak plainly, allow for moments of levity, use highly charged honest emotion in the middle and conclude with incontrovertible truth. When you do, you will be heard.


For a year now Glenn Beck has attempted to recapture the Bush religious right by saying his redemption and personal relationship with God is filling his soul with God's commands and words that speak to the real people of America. The "event" Saturday was designed to cement a religious base that had weakened and place his statue upon it.

I once heard that if you add one drop of religious blood to a blue ocean of politics the entire sea will turn red. This is Beck's hope.
Its almost like one drop of truth on Fox makes it all true to some people. Half truths resonate...

how about To Heck with Beck - he's not a Christian!
As you see, propaganda isn't pretty and it is a truth coated lie.


The next stage of Beck's propaganda parade is to create a new national symbol for the disaffected down trodden (by banks) people of faith. If you recall the national symbol of Apartheid South Africa, it looked like a swastika with three appendages instead of 4.

I predict the Beck tea party symbol will be a version of the old South African flag but with straightened appendages. IT will appear a bit like a Mercedes logo but with each arm having black on one side and white on the other. He will claim that the trinity is at its heart. He will ask people to follow his flag onward to destroy those who have tried to destroy religious people of America.

A sectarian war between monotheistic faiths is at risk of being ignited in this country as the mosque controversy indicates. It is not a risk to Beck, Dick Army, C Street or the Koch Brothers corporate control movement. It is intentionally designed to divide and conquer, making it easy for the ruling class to lobby any deregulated lawlessness that will benefit the wealthy class.

Father Coughlin was a rank amateur compared to Glen. As cheesy as Glen's emotional outbursts and tears seem, they are a behavior modification technique that causes his listeners to become emotionally engaged and link that emotion to any blatant statement that Beck is pushing that day, be it linking to Obama health reform to Nazi Germany withdrawing care from cripples or feeling that Obama has taken America away from the honored white culture that founded this nation.

As a student of propaganda, I know the most important technique of all is to repeat repeat repeat REPEAT. Repetition of any lie gives it a mantle of truth in the short run. This includes refutation of lies which keeps fueling attention back to the lie.

Obama's centrist position makes him vulnerable from both right and left flanks. So far the White House idea of propaganda has been to make fun of progressives and accuse the right of mere obstruction.
This can be cured but as we all see, the left is pitifully unwilling to use propaganda effectively. They think the straight truth is most effective and honorable. I believe that statement is exactly half true.

The left is at yet unwilling to employ propaganda as effectively as they could, or should. 

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 10 - 09:19 AM

I don't know why we always have these numbers disputes after rallys in DC... The cops have some formula for countin' from pics taken from their helicoptors... Well, I've read that, anyway... But the cops refuse to release them... Then the Wash. Post comes up with their numbers which tend to be so generalized that those estimates are meaningless....

I recall that very, very cold January demonstration in DC prior to the invasion of Iraq and the crown reminded me of the "Moretorium" (1970??? 71???)... The Post had the numbers as "tens of thousands" for the January march but 500,000 for the Moritorium??? I was at both and the amount of space that was filled was about the same for both marches???

The decieving thing about the Jefferson Memorial is the Reflecting Pool 'cause yer looking down and seein' both sides lined but that area in total (both side) won't hold much more than the width of one decent stret in DC which would make the crowd about 3 blocks worth of people... The January march had about 30 blocks of people, as did the Moritorium...

So, if I had to put a number on the Beck rally, compared to either the Moritorium or the Jan march I'd say amybe 1/5th of either of them which would be around 100,000...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:59 PM

Most news service estimates were 300,000. Dunno how they arrived at that.
(The old way to count cattle in a herd- count the legs and divide by four- but everyone has heard that one).

The photos show a pretty good crowd, but dunno. I know a couple of relatives, ex-air force who came, but I'll leave the numbers to the experts.
97,000 is still a pretty fair number of citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:50 PM

Apologies if this has already been posted. An explanation of the only scientific analysis of how many people really attended the rally is HERE, A far, far cry from Beck's overly optimistic 500,000!

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:47 PM

No, it isn't!!!

"Bigotry" is about hating people because of their race, their ethnic background, their religion or their sexaul orientation...

Webster didn't come thru the civil rights movement or he wouldn't have thought to call someone who disagrees with you a "bigot"...

Like I said... You think I'm jus' messin' here... You take this post to a professor of "race studies"... I beg you to do that!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:38 PM

To limit application like that, Bobert, is nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM

What, Q??? Webster's... What did I say??? I said that, inspite of the dictionary definition, the term "bigot" has a special meaning to folks who were part of the civil rights movement... I doubt that you know about those experiences...

For you or anyone to ****devalue****, to ****gentrify****, to ****sanitize**** the3 word "bigot" is not only insensitive to the civil right movement but to black people in general...

No, I'm not going to allow ya'll to do that without callin' you out... Hey, disagree with me... Post a million words on why what I say doesn't agree with what you think... I couldn't care less... Don't ****trivialize****, ****patronize****, ****marginialize**** a word that means more than you will ever understand about "bigotry"!!!

I been in the trenches and I understand that there are certain words that white folks shouldn't just throw around unless they are talkin' about the real deal... Disagreein' with someone ain't "bigotry"... It's called, ahhhhhhhh, disagreein'...

Hey??? Don't believe what I'm talkin' about here??? I'll tell you the same thing that I told Sawz... Run this post off, take it to any professor that teaches "race studies" and they perhaps can explain it better...

Until then???

Peace,

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:09 PM


This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion.

Q, are you referring to the quote I posted re' the LDS church? If so, I said nothing about their freedom of religion. I wondered at the seemingly wholehearted embrace of Beck by evangelical Christians, who, if they studied the Book of Mormon and other LDS teachings, might think twice about "strange bedfellows."

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:08 PM

Interviews with some of the participants at the "Restore Honor" rally on why they are there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=player_embedded

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 08:48 PM

Bobert wishes to rewrite the dictionary to excuse his bigoted remarks.
"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices."
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:37 PM

Well, bruce... That is totally wrong thinkin' on yer part... If you look at the health care reform legisl;ation, Obama went to the Repubs early and met with them and asked them for their ideas and asked them to be part of fixing a very broken system...

The Repubs answer" No, thanks, we'll just become gants and irritate ya'll, which they did...

Many of the things in the legislation were things that Repubs had offered in the past but in an effort to derail any legislation short of patting the insurance companies on the backs and giving their COE's medals the Repubs instead voted against their own ideas???

What the heck was that about???

Now, as for the old school house... Didja get the basement pumped out and, more importantly, did ya get the "storm" drain line cleaned out??? Those are #1 and #2 on the project... Can't have that water in the basement and once that storm drain is open the roof will work a whole lot better, too, 'cause the water won't back up in the stack...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 06:12 PM

Bobert,

I disagree.

IMO, the Dems have refused to consider ANY of the points offered by the Reps and demanded a complete surrender to the Dem viewpoint. The Reps did NOT lock the Dems out of discussions- the DEMS locked out the Repbulicans.

Sorry if you do not agree- you have the right to a opinion others disagree with- BUT SO DO I.





btw, got a dumpster of trash out of the school ( old moldy rugs, broken furniture, etc)- now looking at another trip up to clear out more. But what do I do with a Victrola with two broken legs on the cabinet???

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 05:48 PM

Oh really, Bruce...

Have you another glass of coolaid...

The Repubs only strategy is to mess up the government as much as they can with bogus issues and obstructionism... Don't blame the tone of this debate on the Dems... They have tried to get the Repubs to take government seriously but the Repub just want to play games...

Now their games are giving aid to our enemy...

Guess that's, in yer narrow mind, is all on the Dems, too???

As fir "bigot", Q... That isn't a word that white people are allowed to use because other white people don't happen to agree with them... That word, regardless of it's dictionary definition, has taken on its own life in the fight for civil rights... Using it because you don't agre with some one, or vice versa, is like using the word nigger to thoser of us who bothered to put our asses on the line for racial equality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 03:25 PM

Bobert,

"They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and...
"

Change "Obma" to "the minority" and it sounds EXACTLY like what the Dems have been doing the last 1 1/2 years...

I guess reality depends on whether the result is what YOU want, or what you don't want.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:42 PM

"Asked about the Beck rally, President Barack Obama told "NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams" that he didn't watch it but that he understood the anxiety among some Americans.

"I think that Mr. Beck and-- the rest of those folks were exercising-- their rights under our Constitution exactly as they should," Obama said. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-30/beck-says-his-restoring-honor-rally-shows-discontent-with-u-s-direction.html

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM

All right, I'll let pdq's re-post of the anonymous post go by. By rights, it should be deleted, and I will delete any anonymous messages posted or re-posted after this message.
Please remember that if you wish to post at Mudcat, you are required to use a consistent name every time you post. Anonymous posts are not allowed.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:26 PM

Bobert continues to add to his reputation as a bigot of the left.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 02:12 PM

pdq, I often disagree with you, but thanks for putting Guest's statement under your handle.
It is a well-considered post.

I don't think much about Beck. I have never listened to him either, with the exception of an interview he gave after the Rally.
He made it clear he has no political ambitions. He came across as a man who has found God (as a non-believer, that turns me off, but he is entitled to his beliefs). An ex-Catholic and now ostensibly LDS (Mormon).

Philosophically, Beck follows W. C. Skousen, a conservative political theorist, whose book The 5,000 Year Leap recently became a best-seller in the government category. Skousen believed that forces were working to put the U. S. under a world government.

Owner of a successful TV-Radio-publishing production company (Mercury Radio Arts), he has become wealthy.

He rejects mankind as the sole cause of global warming but believes that it has, in part, been caused by mankind. This, it should be said, is the view of most earth scientists who are aware of the many climatic swings in earth history.
He built a 'green' home (I rather doubt this, his 'colonial' cost $4.2 million).

A former member of Alcoholic Anonymous, he said he struggled with 'Dr. Jack Daniels' for years. His mother committed suicide, and that and other causes were traumatic in his early life.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:42 PM

Let me tell ya' what this GUEST's post is... It 100% phney BS... It's like these folks who write into the newspaper and say "Well, I'm a Democrat but..." before singing every verse of the Republican company fight song...

I mean, after you read enough of these a pattern developes where you can smell the phoniness a mile away...

I mean, HORRORS, that I or Donule should call our overt racism when it is as plain as overt racism can be but "the other side" somehow NOW needs to be defended from Donuel and me???

This is a bogus post by a partisan Republican who hates Obama and doesn't really want to discuss real issues but rather change the subject...

Hey, it is what it is and in this case, with this GUEST, it is excatly what it is... Just another Obama hater in sheep's clothing...

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Yawn)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:25 PM

In case the GUEST post is deleted, here it is:


Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:43 PM

Donuel, your post is wonderful. I'm saving it. You and Bobert have both outdone yourselves in this thread.

Your brave fight against a world filled with darkness, conspiracy, racism and hate should inspire us all. These are things we should all oppose.

You should know, however, that I'm saving your words because they seem dark and hateful to me. I love my country and I love my neighbors. When you call them names, I am forced to their defense.

I am no fan of Beck. I have never watched even a minute of his show. I believe you when you say that his views are extreme. But opposition to the government is a foundation of the country I love. I cannot be comfortable when opposition is taken for villainy.

You may want to consider how repulsive your language is to people like me when you write about people like Beck.

Posts in this thread suggest that calling the President a racist makes Beck a racist. In all honesty I cannot see why Beck calling the President a racist is any more racist than the poster calling Beck a racist. This just sounds like name-calling and I don't know why Beck did it. (If he did. I only hear about Beck's name-calling from his opponents. I don't know anybody who listens to Beck. His ideas, whatever they are, don't seem to matter much except to the people he infuriates.)

But I also don't know why you are doing it. Beck can wrong, or a fool, or even a man of hate, without making us people of hate.

Far more important than one broadcaster or a handful of folks posting on a Mudcat thread is respect, tolerance and forbearance. These are qualities that mean everything to me. These are qualities that define the country that I want to live in. These are qualities that must be a part of the language of politics if the speakers want my interest and support.

If these qualities are missing, the speakers lose my interest and my support.

To be truly clear. Your post has forced me to defend a man who I believe I would ordinarily oppose. Surely, that is not what you intended when you wrote about your own opposition.

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Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 01:07 PM

One true church? Not only the LDS, but the Roman Catholic Church makes that claim. Others may make the same claim, and it has much historical precedent. So what? All organized groups want to be No. 1.

They are free to proselytize, so long as they do not use force. As a non-believer, I am free to do the same.

This thread now contains defamatory, false and bigoted statements against millions of Americans, all of whom have equal rights, right as well as left, regardless of religion.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:53 PM

Hmmmmmmm??? Lemme see if I have this correct... The righties can call Obama, liberals and Dems anything that comes into their head... They can fabricate stories, i.e, lie... They can pull one emotional non-issue after another outta their trick bag to keep from havin' to discuss real issues... They can use foul language in Congress... They can try to shout down Obma from the Senate chamber... They can use corporate money in the hundreds of millions to go out an knock on millions of boors stirring up angry white people... They can help the Taliban recurit... They can threaten the other side with "2nd ammendment remedies"... They can obstruct the governing of the country... They can use their control of the media to keep real issues off the air and emotional ones front and center... They can buy whatever and whomever they want... They can call on their corporate bed-buddies to buy elections... They can use race, sex, religion in any manner that is intended to inflame and create mistrust and...

...so me or Donuel calling them on it makes them right (correct)...

Have another glassd of coolaid, GUEST...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:33 PM

Yeah, Donuel... This mornin's Washington Post has an interesting article in it (Page 1) about this... Seesm that he's not exactly "understood" by lots of religious leaders... His Mormanism doesn't help either...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 10:55 AM

I have one thing to say.

If you look at both Reverend Martin Luther King and Glen Beck, Glen's 'Palin' comparison ;^}






that said...(run on sentence alert)
Just because Glen calls the President of the United States a racist who hates white people and white culture and that Muslims are terrorists who need killing and Barak might be a Muslim or that The President is a Socialst bent on the destruction of the United States with Communists like Van Jones and that Obama is about to use Nazi techniques to rid America of its Constitution and religious Americans and that it only takes one person or one bullet to change history...doesn't mean he is inciting violence or the assasination of the President.
More likely it means that he is determined to keep making $32,000,000 dollars a year and that he is giving his employers what they want, which is the elimination of a populist movement and its President by any merans necessary in order to advance the interests of multi national banks and corporations.

If progressives really cared you would use the truth to do what Glen does with lies. Right now comedians like Stewart and Colbert are the first line of defensive against the right.

Where are the heavy handed left propogandists?   For example you could publish the fact that Fox News is foreign owned and operated by Australian Murdoch and the number 2 owner is a Saudi Arabian Crowned Prince.
Tell America the incomes of all the Fox "contributors" and talking heads. You could suggest that Glen Beck who happens to be a Mormon with only one public wife, could easily marry Sarah Palin if she ever dumps her dead beat husband.

(ugly truth alert)

Yep, you too could engage in yellow journalism. What is more important, ethics or letting Obama get murdered at the hands of a religious right wing nut who has been carefully taught how important and necessary it is to shoot a black Muslim who is destroying America. They are taught that restoring America back to its original color of its founding fathers is first and foremost, HONORABLE. They are often told to take back America from the black clutches of evil even if it means your personal sacrifice.
But of course he can say what he likes because its guaranteed by the 1st ammendment. But even more impressive is that God now speaks through Rev. Beck so that anytime God orders you to do something through Glen Beck, its more than OK,   its obeying God. (only those who are the true faithfull will understand)
Glen also makes money on the marked up Gold he sells on TV. I for one would not be surprised that in addition to coins Glen Beck will eventually sell gold bullets that are suitable for despots and dictators? Restore America Ammo, Beck's Patriots, Gods Golden Angels, Presidential Seal Shells, Traitor Killers. No matter the name, I guarantee they would sell. Besides they are not lead which amkes tree huggers happy :(





I'm not laughing. It is a very expensive and dangerous game with blow back of monumental proportions. Who is martyred first is anyone's guess. But today, if forced, who would you wager to be the first to go?

I wonder if Sarah or Glen realize the jeopardy they are in, now that the right stands to win huge if they sacrifice one of their own and "catch" a non white SoCialISt for the crime.

They are not above using the worst fears and predjudice to light a match to this nation. Confederates did it before.
What we have here are NEO CONfederates. History is on their side, at least in terms of firing the first shot.

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 09:22 AM

Now here's a novel idea... Why not just turn the government over to DJs... Maybe the Greaseman could be president...

BTW, bruce... Yeah, I did click on yer "Uncle (Aunt) Tom" pics and have allready addressed that link... Yeah, I know that the right would rather the narrative be different but finding the half a dozen people of color in a rally of 100,000 hardy makes the 99.999% lilly whiye Tea Party a Rainbow Coilition... Nice try, howver...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Aug 10 - 12:26 AM

Glen Beck was a DJ. He played all the hits all the time on some radio station, told dirty jokes, and signed autographs at malls. Why would anyone take him seriously as a political commentator.

I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh when he was Jeff Christie, a third rate rock jock on Pittsburgh's best top 40 station. I stopped listening to that station on his account. But, again, he was a DJ, why take his word on politics!

Subject: RE: BS: King/Sharpton v. Beck/Palin Saturday!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Aug 10 - 11:11 PM

I wonder if all of the conservative Christians who are following the pied piper of lunacy realise he is a member of the Mormon Church, and as such, believes none of them will make it into "heaven." If they study the tenets of the LDS, they might be surprised. For instance:

Is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just another Protestant religion?

    No, the Mormon Church does not claim to be Protestant. It claims to be a divine restoration of Christ's true church. It therefore rejects the validity of any other church. Its basic beliefs place it outside the standard doctrines of Christianity. Mormonism teaches that the God to whom they pray is but one of a whole series of gods who at one time were mortal then progressed to godhood. The LDS Church teaches that their Heavenly Father was once born as a spirit child of a god and wife who ruled a different world. After maturing as a spirit being he was sent to another world where he was born as a human. There he grew to maturity, married, died, was resurrected, went to heaven, progressed and eventually became the God of our world. He and his resurrected wife continue to have spirit children born to them in their heavenly realm. The Mormon man, accompanied by his wife, who is faithful to his religion, pays his tithe, attends the LDS temple rituals, etc. is hoping to eventually progress to become a god of another world, just like his Heavenly Father did.

More info at THIS SITE of two former LDS members with ancestral lineage in the "church."

It's time for this to come out more to the masses, imo. Esp. when the idiot casts aspersion on President Obama's religious beliefs.