BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:16 PM

Polls no longer matter, Amos, 'cause way too many people are forming their opinions on mythology...

Garbage in = garbage out...

I mean, let's get real here... This is not something new... Remeber the Big Three BIGASS LIES that the Bush/Cheney War Machine concocted: WMDs, Iraqi ties to al qeada, Iraq therefore tied to 9/11... Well, even afetr those BIGASS LIES were debunked and Bush adminsistration people admitting it there were still over 60% of the people who believed them...

This is a sad commentary on then state of educational system today when people do not possess the mental capacity to be informed...

I mean, right now the Repubs have put forth so much negative crap otu there about raising taxes that 60% of the people not only don't realize 95% of Americans taxes went down with the Stimulis but also think that continuing the tax cuts to the wealthy will craet jobs and cut the deficit... Only flat-earth bogus economists think that 'cause niether are founded in reality... Reality is that the wealthy are drowning in cash now and have no interest in investing it... Reality is that continuing those tax cuts means will create ***NO*** jobs what so ever...

So polls don't mean anything except that with a dumbed down population incapable of critical thinking that America is headed down a slippery slope...

At some point we have to pull out of this nose-dive and get back to making decisons based in factual information, not emotional wishing and hoping... I mean, I kinda think of America at a crossroads and it can continue downward with mytholgy and bad policies or it can grow some balls and quit the crybaby stuff and buckel down and get back into the race... Right now??? We are just...

...watching as...

...and our competitors are loving it!!!

I mean, if I'm a German or a Japanese I'm rooting for the Tea Party...

Like I've said over and over and will say again,...

...garbage in = garbage out...

Ain't no poll in the world that can change wrong thinking...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:33 PM

Sawz:

One quick point as I have neither the time or inclination to quibble with you. The notion that our health care system is the envyof the world --because our leading technology is often the envy of the world--is completly hollow and sadistically false. I hope that even you can see the difference between the best of our technology--which is excellent--and the system of distribution of health care, which is less equitable and less secure for the majority than the systems of a dozen other nations.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:40 PM

Okay, the librarian just shot me that look...

Yer plane, Amos...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:45 PM

The American health system is not the envy of the world, it's the laughingstock of the world. It is viewed with amazement and horror by the world, as is the American political system in general.

Now...let me explain that. It is true that America has some very advanced medical technology, yes....and some very fine doctors. That's not what the world views in horror and amazement. What the world views in horror and amazement is the fact that ordinary Americans have to spend almost unbelievable amounts of money to get their health care and health insurance, and that the USA spends more per capita on health care than any other nation, but somehow ends up only having the 37th best health care among nations in the world, and is way behind countries like France, Austria, Italy, Japan, and Saudi Arabia. Canada is just slightly better than the USA, but with the huge difference that all Canadians are covered by a public single-payer health insurance system paid for by taxes (and costing quite a bit less per capita than in the USA).

That's what's astonishing about the USA, and it's shameful. The American public is being robbed blind by the private health insurance companies and the AMA, and Obama's much touted health care plan has done very little to improve that grotesque situation, because it's mostly just another huge cash giveaway to the private health insurance industry. That's why it was passed!!!!!!!! And that's what they don't tell you. Obama is about as "socialist" as Benito Mussolini, in my opinion. Mussolini shot socialists.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: pdq
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:49 PM

"Mussolini shot socialists."

Well, some of us might have to revise our opinion of Moose A. Leeni.

BTW, the Rasmussen poll just put the Connecticut Senate race in the "dead heat" department.

We now have California, Washington state, Illinois and Connecticut as "tossup".

If even one of them goes Republican, it will create an earthquake.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:09 PM

You obviously have an entirely different definition of the word "socialism" than most non-Americans do, pdq. ;-) No surprise there. I know it's right next to the word "satanism" in the American dictionary.

You see, what Americans think when they hear the word "socialism" is something very different from what the rest of the people in the world think when they hear it. And that's the fault of your educational and political propaganda system which starts out indoctrinating young minds right from kindergarten on.

The rest of the world takes socialism as a totally normal thing that is a part of any modern society, and that works harmoniously alongside capitalism. In most of the world capitalism handles the manufacture and marketing of the vast majority of goods and services, and runs the vast majority of businesses of all kinds in most societies, and that's fine with me. Socialism takes care of the few absolutely essential public services and institutions such as: the different levels of government, the police, the fire department, the parks department, major transportation infrastructure such as highways, bridges, etc...some major utilities such as the hyrdoelectric grid or communications infrastructure...the armed forces....all totally essential things that are, by definition, not there to make a profit! They are there to supply a needed part of a society that must exist, and that is not there for profit, but for result. Thus they are funded by public money, and are therefore socialist institutions.

Another public service that is utterly essential in any modern society is to give everyone access to inexpensive health care. That can only be done through socialism, as it is being done in most modern countries.

A society does not have to be ALL socialist, and it shouldn't be. Nor does it have to be ALL capitalist, and it shouldn't be. It should be a mixture of the two.

Your braindead American propaganda system fails to explain this to your people and gives them the impression that socialism is an ALL or NOTHING proposition that takes over everything. It isn't, except under Communism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism that I don't agree with, because it takes over everything. The most extreme form of capitalism could be called a "robber baron" system, such as existed in the Middle Ages...where the richest men take over everything, hire the most soldiers, and they terrorize the populace, rape, loot, and do as they please. The only check to that in the Middle Ages was to take refuge in a church...was was sort of vaguely socialist to some degree, as the church did offer sanctuary to all who entered its doors...but the church was also capitalist, in that they had a lot of money, and were busily seeking to get more of it.

I am neither a socialist nor a capitalist, because I know a society needs both of them in harmony to be a healthy society. Your children are not being told about that. They are being kept ignorant, afraid, and misinformed, and their view of socialism is an American myth fabricated to enable big corporations, drug companies, and doctors to rob them from cradle to grave.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: pdq
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:32 PM

I believe you will find that Marx meant something quite different by "capitalism" when he coined the word back in the mid 1900s. It is a nice little pejorative (like "neo-con") that you can hurl at your enemies, real or imagined.

We do indeed have a "mixed economy", a mixture of free market and government control, and it works well. Pure Socialism would destroy everything we have built.

Tomorrow, 2 NOV 2010 will be a referendum on Obama and his Socialist agenda. Expect an earthquake.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:44 PM

Yeah, sure Marx had a different definition of "capitalism" in his mind. I'm not him, and I don't share his views on that at all. I am not a Marxist. I too believe in a mixed economy, just as you do. That's what we have in the USA and Canada...a mixed economy. That's what I believe in.

Neither socialism nor capitalism are words that should be used as pejoratives.

Obama is no socialist! His health care bill was primarily a big windfall for the private health insurance companies, because it got them a lot more customers...by legislation rather than by choice! I think the health insurance industry's lobbyists were probably the primary architects of Obama's bill. As long as your people have to pay a fortune for health insurance and health care, pdq, you are not getting a socialist health care plan.

The whole principle of a socialist health care plan is that it spreads the very high cost of health care around evenly among the entire tax-paying public...at a very affordable price. Most people aren't sick most of the time. That means if we all share in the cost of health care, we can all afford it, but if we don't all share...if it comes down to YOU ALONE when you're sick to cover the cost.....trust me..........you can't afford it.

That's the principle of defence funding too, pdq. The tax system spreads the cost around evenly among the entire public...rather than just billing a few directly affected individuals when an emergency arises. And that way everyone can afford the very high cost of maintaining an armed forces. THAT's socialism! Without it, you could not afford to field an army, navy, and air force.

Same goes for the fire department.

How can you not see that this is what's needed to provide affordable health care?

Here's a tip: Obama is not doing that. He's continuing with passing on huge costs to people for private health insurance. He is NOT practicing socialism. He is not a socialist. He's a servant to entrenched corporate interests, just like all your previous presidents were.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:24 AM

Lemme see Amos. I have seen Sheiks and football stars checking into the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. They were settling for second best?

What are the top medical universities in the world?

Harvard University

University of Cambridge

Johns Hopkins University

University of Pennsylvania

University of Oxford

University of California at San Francisco

Yale University

Karolinska Institute

Columbia University

University of Dundee

And for the umteenth time, the health care bill does nothing to contain the cost of health care like it was supposed to do.

"I think the health insurance industry's lobbyists were probably the primary architects of Obama's bill."

I am glad you are realizing that Amos but didn't Obama say that lobbyists were not going to run things any more?

How in the hell can he claim it is so great when it didn't do what it was supposed to do?

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 10:20 AM

Sawz:

Fine,m but why are you deliberately ignoring the point I made? Dumb or rasty?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:51 PM

Hey Amos.

Do you know why Jerry Brown can't see Russia from his house?

The sun is in his eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:58 PM

Dude, you SO need to check your meds. You are bouncing off the walls here.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:34 PM

No Amos.

Jerry can't see Russia because the smoke is in his eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 01:58 PM

YEah, Sawz, whatever. It's not germane and it is not funny, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM

Sorry, Amos.

It IS germaine and funny. Just as Donual's cartoons are- You MIGHT argue whether it is factual, but that never stopped Donual, so why complain here? Unless you are still pushing the double standard that yu have special priviledges and are not to be held to the same standard YOU hold US to...

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Bobert at the library
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 03:49 PM

Exactly correct, LH...

This is waht America has become... A failed state that does not provide even basic services to it's own citizens...

(Hey, BOPberdz... Ain't that alot like 3rd world countries???)

Yes, it's very much so and the reason for this goes back to Geroge Busgh the Senior who started the "elite" bashing which has grown into a full force movement of people who not only dispise, okay hate, educated people but pride themselves on being ignorant themselves...

This does not bode well for intellegent policies becuaser the Epsilon Nation runs on emotion rather than reason... That is the absolute worst formula for success of a democracy that any political scienctist could imagine but that is exactly what we have become...

Progressives aren't this monolythic bunch that are all left or all right or all in-the-middle... Progressives just want policies to work for the people becuase if they don't - and they ceratinly aren't now - then thei8ngs historically have gotten very messy...

I mean, you have Epsilon Nation allready prepared to take up arms to protect the corporate pigs withouit the slightest clue that the corporate pigs are using Epsilon Nation as shields against intellegnce???

So, yeah, LH... Our health care stinks and is not going to get any better until and if Americans can shake off this idea that being stupid is cool...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 04:40 PM

Well, no it isn't.   First of all, just because your favorite airhead made stupid remarks about seeing Russia does not mean that a veteran executive like Jerry Brown has any connection to her stupid remark.

Second of all you have no evidence Jerry Brown uses pot.

Third of all even if he did, there is no logical reason to assume he has any reason to see RUssia, since he lives in California. The whole thing's stupid, not funny, and brain-dead.

But hey, whatever floats your boat, man...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 04:43 PM

Amos,

Nice twist to the FACT that it was a comedy skit, and NOT Sarha that said that.

"just because your favorite airhead made stupid remarks about seeing Russia does not mean "


The airhead s are those that keep saying SHE said it, when it is FACT that she did not.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 04:50 PM

Rewriting history again, Bruce? She DID say she could see Russia from her state. Tina Fey turned it into "I can see RUssia from my porch".


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 04:58 PM

Hardly a stupid remark to say that Russia was visible FROM ALASKA- IT IS!

The STUPID remark is to say that she could see it from her back yard- which she never said.


Shall I make up comments mocking Obama and put stupid remarks into HIS mouth, and expect you to accept them? Is that what you are saying is OK???

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 05:01 PM

And if I quote the truth, YOU would not believe it.

When asked about health care for the elderly, and whether it would be economivcally feasible under his plan,he said If the 80 year old woman needed a hip replacement, Obama would give her an aspirin. FACT- I heard him say it live.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 06:34 PM

And if I quote the truth, YOU would not believe it.

Possibly because:

1.You wouldn't know the truth if it reared up on its hind legs and bit you on the ass

2. Because your posts heretofore have consisted of Faux News/BuShite/NeoCon delusional fantasies.

Ya reap what ya sow, Beardie.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 06:43 PM

Back to the subject of this thread: I think we will have a better idea about the popular and unpopular views of the Obama Administration AFTER tonight.

Democrats are going to mightly argue that the huge losses they are going to experience are a result of the economy. That dog won't hunt. After all, hasn't Obama and the Democrats in congress spent the last two years blaming GWB for the terrible economy?

Democrats are going to pay heavily for the legislation opposed by the majority of U.S. citizens pushed through congress by the Obama administration and the Democrats in congress.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 07:01 PM

Greggie Boy,

When you decide to discuss the topic, rather than make personnal insults, it might be worth listening to what you have to say. Until then, YOUR postings have shown that you have nothing to offer to the conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 07:18 PM

Any government that's in power when the economy is bad gets blamed for it, and punished at the polls. You know why, Doug? People have a very short attention span. ;-) They mostly think like they drive...no farther than 10 or 15 feet past the end of their noses.

The Republicans got punished for the bad economy in 2008 and for 8 years of war and folly.

The Democrats are being punished for the bad economy right now and for continuing war and folly.

Little has really changed, in my opinion. The deck chairs got re-arranged, that's all, but it's still the Titanic.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 08:17 PM

The American public is going to really start screaming if Republicans attempt to roll back some of the better Health Reforms:

No denial of insurance for pre-existing conditions

No termination of health insurance for people who get sick

No limits on health insurance for catastrophic illness

Bargaining pools for prescription drugs

It's true that some middle class people will oppose lower income people receiving subsidized health insurance, even if it is less expensive to them than free emergency medical care. But not only is that better public policy it is cheaper in the long run.

My frustration is that the Obama Administration did not succeed in passing a public health system which totally eliminated private health insurance.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 09:00 PM

Just to conclude this trivial piece of smegma, Bruce, it IS really stupid to imply, as Ms Palin did, that she in some manner was qualified as VP because her experience in international relations included a peekaboo glimpse of one extreme corner of an islad belonging to Russia from a few vantage points in the state she was the inept governor of. Really.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: pdq
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 09:55 PM

Manchin has been declared the winner in West Virginia.

If that holds the Democrats can expect to keep control of the Senate.

There is really little chance that the GOP will displace incumbants in Washington state or California but stranger things have happened...

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:38 AM

"Progressives just want policies to work for the people becuase if they don't - and they ceratinly aren't now - then thei8ngs historically have gotten very messy."


Yes indeed Bobert. Things are not working for the people and it is messy.

Manchin had to make an ad showing him literally shooting at Obama's Cap & Trade bill to get re elected.

Up until then he was loosing.

Why?

coal.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Maybe he's one of those disgusting little red***k hypocrits. Gun totin' and hatin' Obama.

"The retiring senator on Friday praised the television spot released by the campaign of West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, who is running for the seat of the late Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) The ad shows Manchin using a rifle to shoot a hole through a what is supposed to be a copy of the bill.

"The best commercial I've seen was the governor of West Virginia using a rifle to shoot the cap-and-trade bill," he said during an appearance on CNBC.

Manchin, who is locked in a tough contest with Republican John Raese, cut the ad in an effort to distance himself from Washington Democrats."

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 01:12 AM

In case naybody missed it, the eason for the

Do you know why Jerry Brown can't see Russia from his house?

comment was made because Gov Moonbeam Jerry brown said

"we're gonna make the sun rise in the West and move over to the East,"

Yeah.

He cain't see Russia from him house 'cause the sun is in his eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: pdq
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:46 AM

Even with amazing Republican victories in the Pennsylvania and Illinois races, the Democrats will have at least 49 seats plus their two pseodo-independants.

The Democrat total will probably go up.

Alaska, Washington state, California and Colorado are still "too close to call".

Colorado should go Republican, Alaska independant, and the other two Democrat, making a final count of   DEM: 51    REP: 46    IND: 3.

The Nevada and West Virginia race were not as close as expected.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Bobert at the library...
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 03:58 PM

Manchin is a Dem in name only... We'll see if it catches on when he gets to DC... No bets on it, however...

BUt it really doesn't much matter seein' as the blueprint for "minority rule" has been chizzled in stone the last two years by the Repubs...

Hope: The newly elected Repubs will come to Washington with the hopes of doing something other than the Boeher "Rope-a-Dope"...

Fear: Two more years of Repub posturing and gridlock...

Prediction: The latter...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 05:45 PM

Two more years of Repub posturing and gridlock...

No surprises there, Bobert- Boner has already promised as much.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 01:34 AM

I think the electorate has spoken at the ballot box. Their view of the Obama Administration is ...it sucks.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 03:49 AM

Today on 'news' show, Pelosi is telling Sawyer, that some Debitcrats, were noble for voting for it('For the children, sniff sniff', of course), because now they've been voted out of office. How utterly noble!

Compare that, to those 'noble' citizens who really need real health care, who voted, in hopes of repealing it!


I wonder why Obama needs to take 3000 people on a ten day trip, out of the country, (at a cost of two billion). Are they 'needing' to be out of the country for something?...something here??...I hope not for a collapse...and I really hope not!
3000????
Jeez!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 09:03 AM

Sorry Douggie- but not so; guess you missed this:

No, in a DEMOCRACY the INFORMED ELECTORATE is supposed to speak. This time around, the contest was decided by uninformed ignoramuses on the basis of Republican TeaBagger lies and an Amazon-sized river of bullshit and fear.

Their "view" was a delusion. How you can ge proud of that, while not surprising, passes understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459



My understanding is that this 3 day trip is costing about 2 billion- about the same as two months of combat operations in Iraq.

Nice to have an Imperial Presidency again!

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 05:00 PM

Yeah, Dougie??? And what exactly did the voters say??? I mean, I've heard at least a dozen things that the Repubs say the voters said so I'm kinda wonderin'???

Heard a nice piece on NPR riding home from NoVa a little while ago and a caller called with the same question that bruce has posed above about the cost of our country's president going to the other side of the world to try to help create a more favorable climate for American businesses... Anyway, first of all, this is a bogus criticism becuase:

1. The numbgers being spread around the rightie blogosphere are completely dart-boardish made up and...

2. Are the righties against the US government trying to mix it up with other national leaders in an effort to level the playing field for US business??? I mean, I thought ya'll were all for business??? Guess not...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 05:05 PM

No, Doug, Dracula sucks! ;-) The Democrats and Republicans lie, prevaricate, and dissimulate, and if you have an ounce of faith in either one of them, I have a bridge to sell you....it's in Brooklyn, and it's a beauty!

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 01:49 AM

Greg: your use of the word INFORMED is ludicrous. You have no understanding of the meaning of the word.

Bobert: My friend, if you did not understand what the voters were telling you, I worry that you do not know that 2 + 2 equals 4.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 08:40 AM

No, Dougie, I didn't... And I am being perfectly serious... Maybe you'd like to take a stab at it... What did they tell us??? Pick from the list below:

1. They think they pay too much tax??? (lowest rates in the civilized world and lowest in the US in 5 decades...)

2. Obama raised their taxes??? (No, $300B of the Stimulus bill was a tax reduction for 95% of Americans...)

3. They hate the health care reform bill??? (What provisions, por favor)

4. They want government off their back??? (Please explain how government is on your back, Dougie...)

5. Obama wants to take yer guns away??? (Oh??? I mean, the only folks I've heard that from are folks who hate Obama... Obama, himself, has been a gun right supporter going way back...)

6. Obama is going way too fast??? ( Really??? Like in what respect????)

7. The problem with America is that the deficits need to be eliminated??? (Oh??? And your going to do this by continuing a tax policy that does not create additional revenues???)

8. The government spends too much??? (oh??? Then how come Obama cut the annual deficit by $100B in his first budget??? BTW, where do you suggest the cuts come from???)

9. The Democrats are socialists??? (Hey, we have socialized wealth to the rich but the average stiff is still getting thrown out on the streets... Seems to me that the only socialism that the Repubs like is for their rich donors...)

10. Obama is spending $100M a day on this trip to the far east??? (oh??? That's not at all factual... BTW, do you think the president should just stick his head in the sand an not stand up for American business in the global economy???)

So, yeah, Dougie... I don't know what the voters said and nor do the Repubs... This is just another 9/22 PR game where everything that the Repubs have wanted going back forever are things that they say the voters want...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:58 AM

I think the voters were telling us that they believe in the core American values of knee-jerk emotionalism and blind acceptance of mythological bull. Further, that they have a God-given right to kick themselves in the nuts when they feel like it regardless of consequences. And finally, that they can by and large be manipulated by any PR campaign, no matter how fraudulent, if it is delivered with enough sound and color.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 10:17 AM

Yeah, Amos and the sad part about this is that Boss Hog's PR machine runs 24/7-365 days a year... Hey, they have the money to do exactly that... Karl Rove has already stated that he has no intention of stopping the negative attack ads against Dems even though the election is over...

Throw in Freedom Works (Dick Armey's health insurance company lobbyist money) and they are going to keep pounding away, too... So is FOX... So are the various bogun "American's for Mom and Apple Pie" organization also funded by the big polluters and exploiters and what we are seein' is purdy much what happened in Germany in the 30's when the brown-shirts hooked up with the "industrialists"... I mean, not a whyole lot of difference...

This is a lot like the early 70s after Boss Hog had the 60s scare the living crap outta him except back then Boss Hog hadn't
yet corralled ownership of the media and Boss Hog wasn't drippin' with cash like he is now...

So the Dems and Obama need to go on the offense and tell the American people exactly how they are being manipulated... Obama needs to pull out a play from the Ross Perot playbook and show the American people just how income is stagnant for the working class and just how much cash the rich are sittin' on... Obama also needs to challenge the Repubs to explore sane ways of informing the American people about the ins and outs of policy positions... A good start would be to appoint a commission/investigation to look into the FCC's recent decisions that have monopolized our media ownership into the hands of just a very few and bring back "public service" time, equal access, etc... And Obama needs to put forth a campaign finance bill that limits the amount of spending that parties and their proxies can spend and when they can spend it...

It's all in Obama's hands now and he needs to take the thugs on... If he doesn't then Boss Hog will finish the job of taking over every last little vestige of power...

Time to fight the pigs... (Animal Farm)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 10:42 AM

Quite simple, really.

The voters - or rather a distressingly sizeable segment thereof, like our own D------, are obviously telling us that they cannot tell fact from fiction, don't care that they can't do so, and are willing to make critical decisions on the basis of lies, myth, and a river of bullshit.

See? Simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 11:12 AM

As regards BB's acceptance of the horsepuckey about the costs of Obama's business-generating trip to India:

"While the White House has not released specifics on the cost of the trip, citing security concerns, White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage has said, "It's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated."

Those numbers, according to Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann, are: $200 million a day, $2 billion total, 34 diverted Navy ships, a 2,000-person presidential entourage, and 870 hotel rooms in India.

"And these are five-star hotel rooms at the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel," Bachmann told CNN's "AC 360" Wednesday night.

Pressed by Cooper to back up her numbers, Bachmann said, "These are the numbers that are coming out in the press."

The press she was referring to is the Press Trust of India, one of the largest news organizations in that country. Its source for Tuesday's article on the cost of Obama's trip was based on a single anonymous source: "a top official of the Maharashtra government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit."

The Press Trust article was picked up by The Drudge Report and other sites online and quickly made its way into conservative talk radio, sparking outrage by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and others.

The White House and Pentagon have fielded questions about the Indian report and have dismissed the claims in the article.

"I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we're deploying 10 percent of the Navy, some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the president's trip to Asia," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell told reporters this week. "That's just comical. Nothing close to that is -- is -- being done."

While the exact cost of Obama's 10-day trip to Asia is not known to the public, an examination of similar presidential excursions in the past support the likelihood that the $200 million-a-day figure is exaggerated.
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You should think twice before listening to Michele Bachman, Bruce. She is highly partisan, and inaccurate, and I know how sensitive you are about wanting to be fair and balanced...



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Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 11:15 AM

Yeah, Greg... These morons will drive across country to seek out the very best doctor when they get sick but are perfectly willing to turn the government over to thugs???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 12:05 PM

The main thing the voters are saying is this:

"THE ECONOMY SUCKS! AND I'M MAD AS HELL ABOUT IT! I'M GOING TO PUNISH WHOEVER IS PRESENTLY IN OFFICE FOR IT! I don't really care about the long term reaasons for why the economy is bad or when the trouble started it or who did it....and I wouldn't understand that stuff anyway, even if it was carefully explained to me...I just want to get even for my present state of angst, that's all. So I'm gonna punish the incumbents."

It would have worked exactly the same way if there was a Republican president (like McCaine) in Washington right now. The voters would have punished the incumbents, and the Democrats would all be out celebrating their gains in Congress. ;-D

Seriously, it's just damned funny, because it's sooooo predictable. But you guys get lost in your 2-party mythology and you can't step away from it far enough to see what's really going on. There's only one party in the USA. One party with 2 right wings. One of the right wings looks more to the right than the other...that's the Republicans. Whichever one is in office while the economy is bad gets punished severely at the polls....and that is really all there is to it. The ONE party always wins, because no matter who you elect, it's still in power. It's a velvet dictatorship (in the form of authoritarianism, fortunately, not totalitarianism yet...) that goes through the outward motions of a democracy every 2 years. An empty and meaningless charade. Americans are fooled by the charade, but most of the rest of the world isn't.

The rest of the world, however, can only stand by and watch, because the USA is armed to the teeth. And that is why you are so far in debt. Your outrageous arms spending since the end of WWII has bankrupted your nation. Military hardward is good for only one thing: killing people. That doesn't produce prosperity, except for the arms dealers themselves who get very, very rich.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 12:15 PM

Yeah, LH... If you take 20% of yer economy and grow it around stuff that blows up and produces nuthin' in the way of the "butter" end of the "guns or butter" equation then you will end up where we have ended up 11 times outta 10...

I mean, there is a point where people just ain't gonna let you come in steal their stuff... Mighta worked a long time ago but those
days are long gone...

So here we are with 20% going to war, another 17% to health care (twice the national average of our competitors) so what we have is a net loss of about 30% of economy which is producing no butter what so ever... Formula for a failed state...

And here's the kicker... The folks who voted for Repubs last Tuesday are clueless about any of this because they make decisions based on emotions and not facts...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 12:32 PM

Yeah...actually, Bobert, it's WAY more than 20% that goes to defense. I strongly suggest you read a little book by Gore Vidal called "The Decline and Fall of the American Empire", and you will find out what the real percentage of the American budget is that goes to "Defense" (which is really Offense...)

I'm serious, man. Find that book. Read it.

The USA presently spends more on military stuff annually than all the other nations in the world combined. A country cannot do that without...

1. Becoming the enemy of everyone.
2. Going bankrupt.

Subject: RE: BS: Unpopular Views of Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 01:03 PM

Amos,

" they believe in the core American values of knee-jerk emotionalism and blind acceptance of mythological bull. "

They already DID prove this- see the results of the 2008 election.