BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 01:30 PM

Exactly so, Smokey!

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 02:08 PM

How d'you get from Nick Griffin to this?

You can't vote for him. He's bonkers. that's all there is to it.

Have you seen the BNP? The politicians look(and sound) like The Pub Landlord. The followers look like door men at a night club - all bullet heads and leather jackets and medallions - they look like the kind of people who keep fierce dogs - and that's only the women.

The Mekons probably seemed to have one or two good ideas, but Dan Dare had the measure of them.

If the BNP come round canvassing, give them a blast with your ray gun. Dan Dare would.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 02:17 PM

Well Al, I have a much bigger grievance against Mr Blair, Mr Straw and other assorted "socialists" from the New Labour fold than I do against Mr Griffin and his rag tag faction.

As far as destructive power goes the BNP are not in the same league.
The real enemy are the do-nothing "liberal" evolutionists....."the enablers of Capitalism"

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Brian May
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 04:07 PM

Monsieur Akenaton

I really believe we have far more in common than I thought . . .

I find very little to argue with in your last couple of posts.

You, at least, seemed to have grasped my point that it's not actually the immigrants per se (who can blame most of them), but the "it's about misguided souls lining up to give up our heritage to many people who are cynically here (UK) to take, take, take and regard our country with contempt".

I find the 'everything's OK lobby' pretty sickening. If it takes the BNP to shake things up a bit, then he can't be all bad.

I really am going to leave this particular discussion as it will take 20 years or so for these plonkers to realise what they allowed to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 04:10 PM

Leaving? Again? Really?

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 04:26 PM

I'd be interested to know if there's anyone here who thinks 'everything's OK'.. or indeed, that having things 'shaken up a bit' by that fat one-eyed twat and his bunch of ugly crayon chewers could possibly be beneficial to our predicament.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 06:47 PM

What are you talking about Ake?

Surely we should worry about all extreme dangerous authoritarian religions.

The problem with your PoV however is that if you do a bit of reading (other than the daily mail) while there may be room for concern about some expressed views as to the basics of Islam (eg is Jihad the primary duty, and does it refer to the armed struggle against infidels or does it refer to the constant struggle to improve oneself?) it is not in theory a topdown authoritarian belief (unlike catholicism) but one in which the believer must for himself interpret the religion. I hope I have that right.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 07:09 PM

Yes Silas, they get bored with pedestrian intellects like our own who think Griffins a complete twat, I bet he's off to read the TV times and discuss it with Steamin Willie.

Socrates and Aristotle....

As Tony Hancock said about the leader of his poetry society, "He's on a much higher level. This bloke thinks Bertand Russell is a bit of a charlie...."

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 07:42 PM

Anyone who laments the fact that, in the 60s, we called Pakistanis "Pakis," yet are now disapproved of if we talk the same way, and think that this constitutes the loss in part of our heritage, doesn't enjoy the kind of heritage that I want to hang on to, thank you very much.

As for the BNP not having the same destructive power as our mainstream parties (with whom I have no allegiances, by the way), well that could be something to do with the fact that they have not actually had power. Sorry to raise such an obscure point. I could, however, as some sort of indicator at least, point to the destructive power of their fellow travellers in Europe 70 years ago. Plenty of destructive power there was endured by quite a few Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, among others, as I recall...

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 08:50 PM

Is Griffin an atheist?

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 02:03 AM

He's something starting with A
(cryptic clue - everyone'es got one, a location noted for lack of sunshine)

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 02:49 AM

I've been thinking about what you said in this thread about Blair, Ake.

The thing is, that Blair was no better, no worse than most of the others in his position. Sure he disappointed - but which PM didn't. They're all not really in control of the situation, up the yanks bum by necessity - riding the rollercoaster of international finaciers - admittedly made easier by all the deregulation of recent years, but how much choice did Thatch and major have in that. You have to wonder.

The BNP is something different. I don't think their real aim is to win elections. Their main thing is to recruit people who would like to kick your liberal teeth to the other side of your head. People who feel disenfranchised and are tired of being shouted at by Jeremy Kyle.

You know, Hitler didn't need major numbers of storm troopers to impose his will. Just in little towns all over Germany, they knew if it were requested the storm troopers would arrive.

They'll be arriving in Oldham this week. Coloured folk will walk on the other side of the road when they see gangs of bullet heads in a little knots giving out leaflets. Getting them to wear stars is only a small move from there.

When they've been to a town near you - you will understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 01:25 PM

""So we just wait patiently for a couple of hundred years?

Get a fuckin' grip!""

No mate. You get a fucking grip and haul what we laughingly refer to as your mind out of its twelfth century attitudes.

There is no limit to the number of people you hate, or despise, for the differences between us and them, and your bias is couched in the most immoderate language, but no matter how inflammatory your comments, it makes not one jot of difference to the lavck of truth.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 01:32 PM

""Plenty of destructive power there was endured by quite a few Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, among others, as I recall... ""

No good trying to talk to Ake about those groups Steve. He's way further to the right than Nick's forerunners on that subject.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 01:58 PM

Hello Al...nice to see you back.
I agree pretty much with your take on the psychology of most BNP supporters(from what I have seen of them),they do feel disenfranchised, like many more from all political positions.

We have all see the excesses of "liberalism" even the financial mentdown could be tied to the ideology.
The two most contentious "liberal" issues, "multiculturalism" and the promotion of homosexuality...are not party political but social and health issues....and people hold differing opinions on them regardless of which party they belong to.
When capitalism is in decline, as it is now in the UK, society splits into battle lines, but the problems which lead to that split should be addressed now. The survival of society is more important than the civil rights of often transient racial groups, or sexual minorities.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 02:40 PM

""Plenty of destructive power there was endured by quite a few Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, among others, as I recall... ""

Ahem....you forgot to mention who they went for first Don....."The Commies"; and as I've been a Commie most of my life, I would suggest that a Tory like you is nearer to Mr Hitler's mindset than I am.

Oh and Don,you've stumbled on my blackest secret.....I'm a closet "liberal"........I hate everyone....equally! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 02:42 PM

`Don`t matter what people call you; it matters what you answer to.`

WC Fields

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 02:46 PM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 04:43 PM

I wrote a song one time about the BNP standing outside the school playground trying to recruit kids.

http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/id35.html

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 04:48 PM

However I am persona no grata with the left wing song gang, I did a spot at this years Tolpuddle Martyrs Festival and this woman said one of my songs trivialised violence to women. I should be grateful she'd come to me to complain about my songs rather than the organiser of the event, and I was never to sing it again.

The offending song:-

http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/id22.html

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Brian May
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:05 PM

Leaving? Again? Really?

It's worth popping back Silas . . . if only just to annoy you! ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 05:39 PM

The words to the second song don't seem to be there, Alan, but I like the other one.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 08:26 PM

Got the audio now (javascript..) - excellent stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 10 - 09:22 PM

I dunno. Although I'm sure the woman was older than me, it made me feel like museum piece, i can tell you.

I could have argued she had misunderstood the song. but I'm not used to having to defend my right to sing what i want.

This stuff about civil rights for minorities don't matter. It sort of shakes you up when its the side you've aligned yourself with, coming out with it.

I've got to admit I suddenly feel - well where the hell is there to go with music that's not about merry ploughboys. And the fact is theres nowhere.Absolutely nowhere on the middle class map. So its back to the pub lounges, where at least you have the feedom of nobody really listening.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Dec 10 - 01:40 AM

There'll always be clueless punters, Alan..

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 20 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM

Sorry to send everyone round in six different circles at once, with my original posting on this topic. However, the latest news from Oldham is that Griffin won't be standing after all. Instead the seat will be contested by a local fascist name of Derek Adams.

The best information available suggests that Griffin has pulled out after being informed by other luminaries that the party's finances are in no fit state to withstand a major campaign.

In other words, it looks as though we can all rest festive and merry. May their downward decline continue unabated.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Dec 10 - 07:11 PM

Al, your link appears to discuss the song but not contain a way to play it.

While I like to play folk (1954) I also do contemporary political songs and at a very middle class event in Ash Canterbury earlier this year was complimented (I think) after a couple of songs that no-one could mistake my political perspective. I had however started with trad.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Dec 10 - 08:59 PM

Its very strange this phenomenon of right wing parties in England. i get the impression (whatever their financial staus) the BNP are gaining ground.

I can't remember a time when the main political parties were led by such characterless people. I wouldn't like to guess what any of them believed in.

I think this vacuum is what makes the present situation so dangerous. the BNP doesn't really need an ideology - just a dislike of what democracy has brought.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Smokey.
Date: 20 Dec 10 - 09:05 PM

Al, your link appears to discuss the song but not contain a way to play it.

Switch your Javascript on, RB.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:09 AM

You have in fact hit the nail right on the head Al.

The mainstream politicians have been exposed as frauds....I dont think they ever did "believe"

And the results of "democratic liberalism" are there for all to see.

You are also correct in your assessment of the popularity of people who really believe in what they preach....be it on the left or on the right, it matters nothing.
As a country and as a society we have been comprehensively fucked by Capitalism.....but dont blame the messanger, we need to start seriously looking at alternatives.

Stick with the old parties and your heritage is the old discredited system......we are about to see it without the "sheeps clothing" of "democracy"

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:12 AM

OK akenaton, let's hear about these alternatives then...

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 06:45 AM

Would you like me to come and dicht yer erse fur ye? ';0)

First thing is ....open eyes, engage brain, clear out all the divisive party political rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Ringer
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:26 AM

"As a country and as a society we have been comprehensively fucked by Capitalism..."

What nonsense. Capitalism has given us prosperity the like of which the world has never before seen; the poorest of us live better than kings would have done half a millenium ago. Sure, it's taken a step backwards in the last 3 years or so, but it will recover and deliver even greater prosperity.

There are no alternatives to capitalism and its sister, liberal democracy. A few have been tried; where are they now?

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 07:36 AM

"First thing is ....open eyes, engage brain, clear out all the divisive party political rubbish."

Then go and vote for your local nazi?

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 08:37 AM

Al,The BNP is not gaining ground. In fact it is losing it. Witness their decline in membership. 14,000 3 years ago. Less than 10,000 now. Witnesss the stack of lost deposits in the last general election, plus the trouncing they got in Barking and Dagenham, plus the endless rounds of in-fighting, expulsions etc. And witness the total mess of their party finances.

The point is for anyone who hates fascism to make sure they continue unabated on their merry way into oblivion.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 09:54 AM

Well lets hope you're right Fred. I wish I could share your optimism.

This latest round of ecomonic difficulties have only just begun to bite. What is worrying is the cluelessness of the main parties. Perhaps they aren't clueless, but they don't have a spring in their step any more. have you seen the figures for this months borrowing requirement - nearly a quarter as much again as Labour in the same period - and that was thought to be a disaster last year.

If someone doesn't start working the magic soon, within a couple of years you'll have the classic economic and political condtions for fascism to take hold.

these guys don't need an ideology - just knuckle dusters for idle hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 10:18 AM

If your "heritage" consists of playing with racist little dolls, then it's better off lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 10:23 AM

NeilDI assume you are refering to 'Golliwogs'?
Well, they are not 'racist' little dolls, they are simply black rag dolls (though usually knitted) and were (and are) as much loved by kids as the 'Jemima' white ones. The name is slightly unfortunate, though they were mostly reffered to a 'Gollys'. It is only relatively recently that Robertsons have stopped using theon their jams. This is where the PC brigade get their knickers in a twist.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:08 AM

Al, you are absolutely correct. However, Griffin and the rest of the BNP leadership are too thick to run a whelk stall, let alone conduct a serious fascist takeover. Plus, I think the BNP has gone too far down the road of constitutionality and ostensible respectability, for them to reinvent themselves as the kind of street fighting semi-terrorist mob that is classical fascism, and which succeeds where constitutionalism doesn't.

In short, for fascism to stand anything more than a snowball in hell's chance of getting anywhere, it would need a new leader and a new and even nastier organisation than the one we confront at present.

The problem is that when the conditions you mentioned are in place, a demagogue will emerge to take advantage of them; someone who has brains and charisma, and an ability to connect with and lead the millions of disaffected. Griffin may be a nasty piece of work, but he falls well short of those requirements.

If the BNP is crushed well before said conditions and demagogue emerge, it won't represent an infrastructure that he can build from. That will give us just a little bit of a breathing space.

Silas, I'm afraid you're a bit late to buy from the extensive range of gollywogs, or gollys as the BNP rechristened them to avoid clashes with the law, from the BNP's Excalibur website. They started stocking them after Carol Thatcher (I think it was her)caused a furore by referring to someone as a gollywog, but have now reduced their selection to a poor and pathetic sampling. You can however still buy an "English by the grace of God" mug from them. If you don't like that, they have various books on sale retailing crackpot theories about race, evolution, DNA and how wonderful it is to be European. And there's "Enoch was Right" badges, a CD of songs written by Nick Griffin, plus a whole stack of highly offensive T shits. What a swinging place the Excalibur warehouse must be. What a personal embarressment that it's less than 20 miles away from where I live.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:15 AM

where., is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 11:17 AM

Err, Fred, I wish in no way to be associated wth the British Nazi Party as if you read my previous post, will be perfectly obvious.
However, the 'Golly' or 'Gollywog' was a perfectly innocent childs toy - it is nothing more that a black rag doll. The naming of it has caused afew 'problems' but the thing itself cannot by any standard be called a racist little doll.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:27 PM

Silas. Sorry, I wasn't implying that you were. The problem lies with the meanings which can be placed on these things. Many people regard the gollywog as a harmless toy, and I wish that we as a species were so devoid of racism that it could not possibly have any other connotation.

Unfortunately, this harmless doll was adopted by the BNP as a symbol of negritude, of racial inferiority if you like. At their summer camp at Codnor last year, a group of BNP members decided to hold a mock trial and lynching. I can't remember what the accused was accused of, probably of being here and being black. But what did they use to symbolise the "ethnically inferior" invaders? A gollywog, that's what.

Like I said, it's all down to signs and symbols and interpretations. Curiously enough, they named the accused doll Winston. But that was a hangover from the days when Winston Churchill was seen by the BNP as an arch traitor, who led us into a so called "totally unneccesary war", instead of siding with Hitler against the Slavic hordes.

Shortly afterwards, the leadership of the BNP realised there was mileage to be had in invoking WW2, and the Dunkirk spirit and the white cliffs of Dover and all that. Overnight, their portrayal of Churchill turned 180 degrees. Suddenly he symbolised the British people standing up against foreign invasion and standing for all things British.

The BNP are not just a bunch of sick fascists. They are also a bunch of liars and hypocrites and opportunists.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM

Strangely enough. I had something in that line happen to me.

Before we moved last year, my wife used to be on the committee of a self help group for people with arthritis. (the illness not the mudcatter).

Anyway there was this little old lady in the group who used knit little woollen dolls as a hobby for club funds. The were lovely things all hand knitted and of course, amongst her repertoire was the golliwog.

Well we had several coloured members. so the committee were wondering what to do. You could ask everybody individually if they were offended - but in a way that would be pressurising them, and anyway you do that and you could get a new member that did take exception. And the old lady in question was a very nice old lady - so what to do...

I remember we had one committee member who was up for a fight and wanted Denise (my wife) to register disgust and annoyance that we harboured such a racist beast in our midst. he wasn't keen to do it himself, but we kept getting phone calls that this was our duty.

Finally Denise broached the subject with old lady and she said okay, I'll just put another head on them. I think when nice old ladies in their 80's can get the situation, most other folk should be able to.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 12:52 PM

Hi Al
The 'problem' here is the name, isn't it? These things are just childs dolls. If you are saying that there should not be black ones as well as white ones, then that may be racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Brian May
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 01:26 PM

Still here Silas. . . I actually AGREE with you about gollywogs, my sisters loved theirs to bits. There was no trace of irony in them, they were kids and loved them.

Interesting little conundrum for the PC brigade. . .

In Doncaster, the nursery rhyme Baa Baa Black Sheep is no longer acceptable and it's been replaced with Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep.

I was up on the North York Moors not too long ago and there was a field full of . . . yes, black sheep. How on earth do you explain that level of stupidity to children?

Also the 'brainstorm' verb is non-PC as being too aggressive, now it's 'thought showers'. Does anyone truly believe that this kind of reaction to perceived racism (usually NOT from the ethnic minorities) does any good?

I've a good friend who is of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity (apparently) - she just says 'I'm black and quite happy about that'. Very refreshing realism.

OK, waiting for the next lot of stereo-typical rhetoric . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 05:19 PM

Ringer, among all the self serving crap on this thread, your post at least deserves a response.

You are quite correct in saying that capitalism provided prosperity, two hundred, one hundred, fifty, thirty years ago.
For most of that time we had an Empire to rob, a workforce for whom prosperity was only a dream, a population which dutifully died in Capitalism's wars.
The people in my section of society have never lived like kings, my life and the lives of my neighbours have been a constant struggle.
When my children were small I worked over 70 hrs a week plus a few nights till eleven o' clock.....not some desk job, but back breaking toil....laying 18"x 9"x9" concrete blocks, or mixing and screeding 100 sq yds of concrete.....Kings....you obviously haven't a clue.

Like many of my brothers and sisters, I sold my strength and life to bring up my family.
And that was in the good times for Capitalism, but the times they are a changin'
Our Empire has gone, we pay top dollar for everything we need from the East. We are uncompetitive in manufacturing and heavy industry.
Our new "liberal" ideology wants it all, without hard work or personal responsibility.
Capitalism has chewed us up and spat out the bones, just as it will do with all the nations and peoples waiting for the curse of development.

I can assure you that Capitalism has no sister, and liberal democracy is a mirage.....surely the political events of the last five years prove that conclusively.

Capitalism has no sister, but she has a child. Made in her own image, but without the old disguises....the faux democracy, the phoney liberalism.....the child is coming of age, and who do you think will give Fascism the biggest welcome into society....not the radicals from left or right,(they will be the first into the ovens), but the evolutionary, equality loving, centre left.

They say history always repeats itself!....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 21 Dec 10 - 05:26 PM

"Unfortunately, this harmless doll was adopted by the BNP as a symbol of negritude, of racial inferiority if you like."

Hi Frank
I was not aware of that, but now that you have enlightened me, I think it even more important that the scum are not allowed to appropriate this perfectly harmless childs toy and turn it into a symbol. It's time we reclaimed the Goly (and the flag) from these bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 05:31 AM

Silas. It's Fred, not Frank.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Silas
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 06:29 AM

Apologies Fred - the combination of my poor eyesight, my dysexia and a crap keyboard make these things happen all too often.

Subject: RE: BS: Nick Griffin to stand in Oldham by-elect
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Dec 10 - 10:27 AM

""Plus, I think the BNP has gone too far down the road of constitutionality and ostensible respectability, for them to reinvent themselves as the kind of street fighting semi-terrorist mob that is classical fascism, and which succeeds where constitutionalism doesn't.""

I worry about that level of complacency when I see what appears to me to be the scum scraped off the BNP image in the name of vote gathering respectability, reappearing on the streets as the English Defence League.

Do you really think those 4000 vanished members just gave up?

I'm reminded of groups of men in brown shirts who did all the dirty work required by a Nazi Party gathering votes for an election.

"Plausible deniability"!

Don T.