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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ebbie Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:22 PM Oh, I dunno, LH. I once had a dog about the color of the donald's hair. (Didn't come out of a bottle though.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Apr 11 - 12:40 PM I can't think of anything I like about Donald Trump. Does that help? Feel better now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ebbie Date: 29 Apr 11 - 11:48 AM "Birthers". "Tea Baggers". What weird humans we be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Greg F. Date: 29 Apr 11 - 11:16 AM Donald Trump's various enterprises employ about 24 thousand people. You're right, PeeDee & for that we should give him a pass & ignore his idiocies. Until, of course, he declares bankruptcy again. What has it been- six times now? Obama is the most divisive political figure in US history. He make no effort to get along with people who disagree with his policies. Guess you're not old -or smart?- enuf to remember Harry Truman, Dick Nixon, George Bush 1&2, Karl Rove, Boehner, Palin, Scott Walker, Tailgunner Joe McCarthy, John C. Calhoun, Andy Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, Jesus, posts being limited to one frame guess I can't list the other thousand......................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: pdq Date: 29 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM Donald Trump's various enterprises employ about 24 thousand people. With normal sized families, that means there are probably 100 thousand people who live on the money supplied by these jobs. Trump is a personable guy and an important man in the economic picture of the United States. He has flaws, but so does everyone. I believe he is the first man who has put Omama on the defensive. That is always what Obama does to other people. Obama is the most divisive political figure in US history. He make no effort to get along with people who disagree with his policies. He puts all of his effort into destroying them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Apr 11 - 09:35 AM Ron, I think quite well, thank you...perhaps its you, who can't see the obvious! There were other candidates who ran, that weren't such huge liars!..and I just couldn't get myself to cast my vote for them! I'm glad you got what you wanted, and you 'got' to be on the 'winning' side...only problem is, I just couldn't see a good reason to vote for the dissolution of America, by some ideological puppet! You can, and think that's great!..You are the target of who the mega-corporations, promote phony polls for...so you can go along with the 'crowd' of 'Winners'. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Apr 11 - 08:33 AM Obama's Birth Certificate Through the Eyes of a Birther |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Apr 11 - 07:40 AM Robin, you and others of us who actually see the true significance of the "birthers" might also like to check out the Huffington Post version of the birth certificate. Article: " Obama's Birth Certificate Through the Eyes of a Birther" Somebody really should link it. It is an instant classic. Some gems: State of Hawaii: "Is it 100% verified that Hawaii was a state in 1961?" Hospital located on Kalanianole Highway: "Name obviously made up by James Cameron" Last Name: Obama II: "Is 'Obama II a model number? Is he a robot?" The whole thing is just perfect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Apr 11 - 07:30 AM Now, now, "Sanity. Perhaps you'll learn to think. Perhaps not. Have to say the prognosis is not good at this point. "ideological purity more important than..." QED Interesting that you are in good company on Mudcat, it seems. Quite a few appear to be more interested in "making a statement" than getting anything done. Forgive me if it appears to a thinking person that the "statement" made is "I am a fool". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 29 Apr 11 - 07:22 AM Trump's Birth Certificate |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:30 AM Ron, You are ABSOLUTELY out of your tree! I voted my conscience, which is what we a supposed to do! You think you did 'good' by voting for 5 Trillion dollar waste Obama?????????????...or, John 'Flip-Flop' McCain, who miraculously walked away from the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal??? (probably with the help of Timmy 'Tax Cheat' Geithner, or the Bushes?? Get real! I've got EVERY reason, not just to bitch, but to throw, "I told you so!" into your stupid mugs! I'm messed up, because I wasn't hoodwinked like you!?!??? You just went along with the crowd of idiot lemmings..and now, there ain't shit you can do about it, except decide if Donald Trump is for real or not???..and/or better than Obama???? I didn't throw my vote away..nor my integrity!..Sorry about you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:17 AM Of course voting in 2008 would not be voting against the Obama administration, since it was not in power. But the fact remains that in the US the 2-party system is the only game in town. Voting for any other party is throwing your vote away--and helping one or the other of the 2 main parties. As should be blazingly obvious to anybody with a smattering of political savvy. Which sometimes seems to exclude an amazing number of Mudcatters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Apr 11 - 12:38 AM So. "Sanity", you can be proud you threw your vote away on somebody who had no chance---or perhaps refused to exercise your right to vote at all. Either way, you also threw away your right to criticize the current administration--since when you had the chance to try to change it, you didn't take the opportunity. Though it certainly doesn't take away your right to whine. And it's a fine whine you are purveying, I must say. And at least you remained ideologically pure. And that's far more important than getting anything done--as we all know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:56 PM TIA: "Do you really think you are above the rest of us? Do you?" Above??? No, maybe more 'sane'. I didn't vote for either one of the leading pieces of shit! (Obama or McCain) For what its worth....... Oh, and I'm glad I didn't!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: robomatic Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:16 PM I want to says some NICE things about Mr. Trump. He is a classic New Yorker. He will insist that his kids be raised simply, playing with blocks, like 43rd avenue and sixth. In fact, last time I visited New York, I was strolling down the avenue, as is my wont, and I spied the man himself. Now, I do not tend to share his political aspirations but I saw no reason to be rude or impoolite. I said in my most courteous voice, "Nice day, isn't it, Mr. Trump?" And Mr. Trump himself was the apex of decorum as he smiled and without a pause, said: "You're welcome!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 10:32 PM "dumb fuck electorate" No. Dumb fuck iconoclast. Dumb fuck swami above it all. Dumb fuck "you don't get it but I do". Welcome to the Dumb Fuck Club. Do you really think you are above the rest of us? Do you? If you got the Modern Family reference, at least you have a sense of humor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:33 PM Does a "self made man" play with himself? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: gnu Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:25 PM "Donald Trump is a self made man." I could make myself too if my dad gave me all that money. I could make a number of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:11 PM Racist??? Trump??....He, like Obama, like to play ANY card they can. As far as racism, come on now, boys and girls, stop being hung over from the sixties. That worked THEN, when the nation was coming out of the shit in the South, but really! Obama NEVER ran a business, and Trump has never been elected to anything. Both are the bottom of the barrel!..regardless of their color!..and both are unbelievably bad jokes on the American public! Only fools could defend EITHER one of them, for being President!1..I guess its going to boil down to who, of the two has more 'celebrity'......dumb fuck electorate!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Greg F. Date: 28 Apr 11 - 08:39 PM No, its considerably WORSE than simply being a racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 08:29 PM FWIW, I do not think Trump himself is a racist. I think he is willing to pander to absolutely anyone...including racists, to stroke his own ego. Perhaps that is just as bad as being racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: John P Date: 28 Apr 11 - 07:55 PM Naw, Little Hawk just thinks, apparently, that racism and lies are the same as disliking racism and lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 07:45 PM The air must be really thin way up there above us LH. Do you carry oxygen, or maybe have an incredible density of red blood cells? Surely you haven't been blood doping with Floyd Landis! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Jeri Date: 28 Apr 11 - 07:26 PM LH, the the Donald's hair has been an issue long before he started getting political. You take such an interest in US politics, you could move back here and stop giving a shit, like most Americans. I really used to look at Trump as a rich guy who obviously must've had some smarts to make so much money. Now, I'm starting to believe in sheer dumb luck along with the fact that if you have money, you make money. While I saw him as respectable on some level, and otherwise mostly harmless, I see the damage he does and I don't really like him. I'd never vote for him anyway, but I don't even want to watch his show now. ...and while we're disgusted with Trump, Little Hawk can continue to sneer at us and FEEEEELLLL the LLLOOVVVVVVE. (Or, in other words, become the thing he dislikes.) Everboddy gotta get their "I'm -better-than-you"s in there sumhow! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: saulgoldie Date: 28 Apr 11 - 07:14 PM Maybe we really need the circumcision documentation. Maybe we need it for *all* elected officials. There is, ahem, a bit of a logistical matter for female officials. Maybe we need to see the videos of the circumcision. On the other hand...I still say it is not-too-subtle racism. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Apr 11 - 06:52 PM I saw a Doonesbury cartoon today which featured Donald Trump AND Sarah Palin (though, oddly, Sarah's face was always hidden from view...is that an "in" joke on Garry Trudeau's part?). I noticed the particular emphasis the cartoon placed on Trump's dramatic "comb-over" hairstyle and his pudgy facial features. Amusing! ;-) I hadn't really realized until now just how much fun the Democrats were having focusing on those 2 obvious features of Mr Trump's general appearance. Well, every political movement values having a symbolic "village idiot" or two on the opposite side to despise, and it appears that Donald Trump has now been elevated alongside Sarah Palin and is serving that purpose admirably from the point of view of Democrats, American Leftists, and "liberals". Like I said before....what fun! ;-D The other side (those vile unconsionable, gay-bashing, racist, religious fanatic and utterly despicable rightwingers, damn their eyes!) has Obama, Gore, and Hillary to poke fun at and demonize while OUR side (the good people) has Bush, Palin, and now Trump to poke fun at and demonize. Fun all around! Take a deep breath and FEEEEELLLL the love.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Jeri Date: 28 Apr 11 - 06:46 PM Aw. I thought it was because eleven is "onze" in French. Onze starts with an "O", as does "Obama", so I thought maybe they didn't want anything Obama and dropped the number. Oh well, wrong again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 28 Apr 11 - 06:44 PM Joe, it's missing because of faulty proofreading. But maybe that's just my story. Maybe the truth is far more sinister. Number 15 may also be missing. And many more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Apr 11 - 06:05 PM Bottom line is that most bastards are the victims of their parents decision not to marry. Donald Trump is a self made man. But never bet the farm on one of them not getting what he wants. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Apr 11 - 05:48 PM Very good list, Lighter......but why IS number 11 missing from the list? Must be a conspiracy, for sure. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Greg F. Date: 28 Apr 11 - 05:44 PM Dumbya be damned - what about the slew of TeaBagger Arseholes elected to Congress and State Governorships last time around? Josepp apparently ain't been payin' attention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: gnu Date: 28 Apr 11 - 05:44 PM Publicity stunt... gotta be. But, what amazes me is that he somehow believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. Surely being a complete ass is not good? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Apr 11 - 05:26 PM ""Now they all they have is extremist drivel being put forth by candidates who either clearly don't really believe in it--or worse--believe in it heart and soul. Can't get elected that way."" Ever heard of Gee Dubya Bush Josepp? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Apr 11 - 02:04 PM McGrath of Harlow: "And all this time I'd thought you were from the USA..." Naw, just visiting....Strange critters here, though.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Apr 11 - 01:51 PM I'm only from Sanity-Land And all this time I'd thought you were from the USA... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Apr 11 - 01:43 PM Bobad: "I see the wackos are already declaring it a forgery." Yeah, and now there are some 'other' questions that have arisen, too. As I heard on the radio, last night, "Now that he's produced the birth certificate, this isn't the end of it, just the beginning"..then they guy went on to explain that, being as his father was visiting from Kenya, on a student visa, and knocked up his 'ol' lady', in Hawaii, would that constitute a citizen of the US. Then he went on, how, that now the 'real scrutiny' begins. Personally, I think its about a non-issue, compared with his abuse of Presidential powers!..such as Libya! ..among a few others. But what do I know, I'm only from Sanity-Land! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: lefthanded guitar Date: 28 Apr 11 - 01:41 PM If there's a humorous spin to be put on this, it's from David Letterman, who this week bet his salary against Bill (sp?) Mahr's (who I suspect has much MORE to gain in this deal lol) that Trump is not running, that it's just a publicity stunt, and peppers his monologue with some pithy Trump is a blowhard references. From my ironic point of view, I'd like to know if these birthers believe EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN LIVING in the USA is a total idiot and NO ONE checked this out during the campaign. Well I never had all that high opinion of the Donald, but he managed to disappoint me anyways; and personally I think the guy should be banned from running on the basis of his hair alone. ;D. Not to mention his numerous business failings- at least three bankrupcies! As Bill said, the real reason for the birther debate is that some people believe there is just some deep fundamental way the Obama is . somehow..mysteriously..not like..them! lmao I wonder what that could be? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: bobad Date: 28 Apr 11 - 01:19 PM I see the wackos are already declaring it a forgery. http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 28 Apr 11 - 01:06 PM And why is No. 11 on the list missing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 28 Apr 11 - 12:58 PM Seriously. Some reasons why conspiracy theories don't die: 1. They're easy to understand: a bunch of smart bad guys get together to fool the rest of us. 2. They're mysterious: who are these bad guys? what do they really want? how do they continue to get away with it? 3. They're usually about something vital and threatening, if true: Has a fascist coup been running America since 1963? Are Earth governments in league with the saucermen? Are doctors making my kid autistic? Is the man in the White House working for Bin Laden? 4. They make the believers feel even smarter than the conspirators themselves because the believers have it, or most of it, all figured out in spite of the secrecy. 5. They make the believers feel smarter than the dopes who can't see the conspiracy. 6. They appeal to the imagination: anybody can come up with a new twist or a new question they want answered. 7. They feed on themselves: every parent knows that the question "why?" can be repeated forever. And believers are even more likely than kids to reject the explanation of why with a "Yes, but..." or "How do you explain...?" 8. Believers believe other believers who keep raising more questions. 9. The less you know about anything, the easier it is to make up a conspiracy theory. 10. Real frauds can make anything sound mysterious by putting a sinister spin on a question that's already been answered, or one that's actually total nonsense: Who got Obama into Harvard? How come none of Obama's "fellow students" can remember him? Is there a link between Southern tornado deaths and CIA weather-control experiments? 12. Conspiracy theories are guaranteed to sell books, papers and commercial time, and to get theorists' names in print and on the air. 13. Real conspiracies do occur (though usually with a limited cast of characters), and a truly successful conspiracy would never be discovered or revealed.... 14. So if there's no evidence of a conspiracy...that could be the most powerful evidence of all!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Apr 11 - 12:51 PM Ebbie: ""Voters thought they were voting for the regular Obama, but now we see there are two of him at least (unless the certificate is a fake). How many are there really and which one is in the White House? How could we tell?" For all the 'conspiracy theorists'!..(not that ALL of them are wrong).. Hey, as long as you're at it: Have fun with this one!!! ..or this one!!! In any event, how bad does bad have to be?....AT least he moved quicker on the tornado disaster!...BUT..He still sucks, as much as Bush!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Ebbie Date: 28 Apr 11 - 12:16 PM "Voters thought they were voting for the regular Obama, but now we see there are two of him at least (unless the certificate is a fake). How many are there really and which one is in the White House? How could we tell?" Hope that comment was tongue in cheek. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Jeri Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:39 AM "How many are there really and which one is in the White House?" For the record, I thought that was funny. There may be a limit to the general public's stomach for this stuff, but I doubt it. There will never stop being questions, which will likely get progressively more desperate and stupid. No conspiracy theory ever dies. This stuff about Obama is just misdirection (what are we NOT paying attention to!?), and it takes advantage of the less intelligent people among us who are more prone to paranoia, racism, and just a general fear of the unknown. Infer whatever political affiliation makes sense to you, but there are a lot of stupid, easily duped people in the world. If Trump IS the "carnival barker" I've heard him called, he damned well knows that quote (probably mis-) attributed to PT Barnum about there being a sucker born every minute. I think he's squeezing everything he can get out of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:33 AM Questions certainly linger about George Bush's academic record. And there are two of them also. I am going to go find Lighter's posts questioning those fishy details. Oh wait...I don't need to question those two...guess why! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: Greg F. Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:15 AM "Questions still linger with respect to his academic records and even the most basic biographical data." That's Obama's, not Trump's. More importantly, questions still |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:06 AM I see that I cross-posted with someone who "may feel a need to legitimatize their beliefs about Obama by attributing them to some factor unrelated to race". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM Oh crap. did not realize that people outside my institutions system would not get to the actual paper. Will post some key excerpts. "Our findings are consistent with work revealing that Whites' racial prejudice is now typically expressed in a subtle, rationalizable manner (Dovidio & Gaertner, 2004). Whereas the aversive racism framework originally proposed that subtle, indirect manifestations of bias would mainly characterize the responses of low prejudice scoring Whites, while high-prejudice scoring Whites would express their bias more directly (Gaertner & Dovidio, 1986), the increasing strength of egalitarian norms (Schuman et al., 1997)may lead even high-prejudice scoring Whites to express their bias more subtly (Pearson et al., 2009). That is, due to social norms declaring that racial prejudice is inappropriate, even highly prejudiced Whites may feel a need to legitimatize their beliefs about Obama by attributing them to some factor unrelated to race, such as his un-American social policies. Our data support this perspective. Perceptions of Obama's un-Americanism mediated the overall relationship between racial prejudice and negative performance evaluations. However, as anticipated, this effect occurred only for White participants' evaluations of Obama, but not of Biden." That is, Obama and Biden support the same policies, but only Obama suffers demands to prove that he is American. And what is the obvious difference between these two 50-year old Democratic politicians? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,LIghter Date: 28 Apr 11 - 11:02 AM From Yahoo News this morning: According to Chairman Don Irvine of Accuracy in Media, "Questions still linger with respect to his academic records and even the most basic biographical data." That's Obama's, not Trump's. Also, the alleged birth certificate released yesterday says "Barack Hussein Obama II." Voters thought they were voting for the regular Obama, but now we see there are two of him at least (unless the certificate is a fake). How many are there really and which one is in the White House? How could we tell? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: bobad Date: 28 Apr 11 - 10:33 AM TIA's link is to a study published in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology Volume 47, Issue 2, March 2011, Pages 430-435 which is available to subscribers or purchasable for $31.50. This is the abstract: References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article. Eric Hehmana, low asterisk, E-mail The Corresponding Author, Samuel L. Gaertnera and John F. Dovidiob a Department of Psychology, University of Delaware, Newark, DE, USA b Department of Psychology, Yale University, New Haven, CT, USA Received 2 November 2010; revised 21 November 2010. Available online 30 November 2010. Abstract Earlier research suggests that despite President Obama's election, racial prejudice persists and continues to shape reactions to his presidency. The current work examines the role of Whites' prejudice in shaping perceptions of Obama's Americanism, and ultimately evaluations of his performance. Specifically, this research proposes that "how American" Obama is perceived will mediate the relationship between racial prejudice and evaluations of his performance for White, but not Black participants and only for Obama and not for Vice-President Biden. Data were collected from 295 Black or White students surveyed 1 year after Obama's election. Supportive of our hypotheses, racial prejudice predicted Whites' negative evaluations of Obama's performance, and this relationship was mediated by how American Obama was perceived. Additionally, these relationships were not obtained among Black participants or when Blacks or Whites evaluated the Americanism and job performance of Vice-President Biden. Keywords: Racism; Prejudice; Group processes; Political psychology; Racial identity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger From: GUEST,TIA Date: 28 Apr 11 - 09:26 AM Yes, it is ugly racism. The URL is too long for the clicky-maker, but cut and paste it yourself for the data and analysis... http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B6WJB-51KK99S-2-1&_cdi=6874&_user=1911715&_pii=S0022103110002623&_origin=browse&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2011&_sk=999529997&view=c&wchp=dGLbVtb-zSkzV&md5=48d6c074393233c5ef36448932e648c7&ie=/sdarticle.pdf |