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Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over

kendall 25 Sep 11 - 06:21 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 25 Sep 11 - 06:36 PM
GUEST,999 25 Sep 11 - 07:26 PM
GUEST,999--FORGET THAT. 25 Sep 11 - 07:30 PM
Jim Dixon 26 Oct 11 - 12:20 AM
maeve 26 Oct 11 - 05:25 AM
maeve 27 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM
Jim Dixon 28 Oct 11 - 08:48 PM
maeve 28 Oct 11 - 09:06 PM
Jim Dixon 28 Oct 11 - 11:16 PM
Jim Dixon 28 Oct 11 - 11:19 PM
maeve 06 Dec 11 - 09:51 AM
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Subject: Poem, tides do be running the whole worl
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 06:21 PM

Help. does anyone know this poem?
Tides do be running the whole world over... and don't say Gordon Bok. He wants to know.


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Subject: RE: Poem, tides do be running the whole worl
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 06:36 PM

I just did a google search on Tides do be running and the very first hit is a Mudcat thread started by Joe Offer: Wheel of Fortune (Dublin City).

All opinion seems to be that it's just a version of the traditional Dublin City song.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Poem, tides do be running the whole worl
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 07:26 PM

Google the following just as is.

"Counting Song"


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Subject: RE: Poem, tides do be running the whole worl
From: GUEST,999--FORGET THAT.
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 07:30 PM

http://kristinhall.org/songbook/ForeignSongs/CountingSong.html

Use this link, Kendall.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:20 AM

See WHEEL OF FORTUNE or DUBLIN CITY in the DT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: maeve
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:25 AM

Those are all interesting links, but Kendall, it seems, is wanting to help Gordon find a poem source for the song...a potential author, if it exists. I haven't found one either, but there might be a lead in poetry collections in book form. All of my books burned up; perhaps someone who has books of poetry or library access will be able to do some sleuthing.

999's link leads to a version cited as:
"VERSION 4: Titled: "Twenty, Eighteen",
Source: Broadwood, L, 1893, English County Songs, London, Leadenhall Press"

So the Lucy Broadwood 1893 reference is the earliest dated version I've seen here so far. Can we find anything earlier, in song or poem form?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: maeve
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 08:48 PM

So, Maeve (since you seem to be Kendall's interpreter?as Kendall is Gordon Bok's interpreter): What exactly are we looking for? The origin of the line "Tides do be running the whole world over" (regardless of what song or poem it comes from)? Or the origin of the song WHEEL OF FORTUNE or DUBLIN CITY or COUNTING SONG (whatever you want to call it?regardless of whether it contains the line "Tides do be running the whole world over")?

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...

(Sorry if I seem to be sounding like Gargoyle.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: maeve
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 09:06 PM

Gargoyle has always been polite and helpful to me.

Gordon needs no interpreter; nor does Kendall. Their friends amuse themselves from time to time trying to find useful information.

Kendall inquired about a possible poem with "Tides do be running the whole world over" in it. I'm sorry the query seems to distress you. Have a pleasant evening.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 11:16 PM

Well, I'm still not sure if this is what was wanted, but one of the paths I followed led me here:

From Mearing Stones: Leaves from My Note-Book on Tramp in Donegal by Joseph Campbell (Dublin: Maunsel, 1911), page 23:

As I walked down thro' Dublin city
At the hour of twelve in the night,
Who should I spy but a Spanish lady.
Washing her feet by candlelight.
First she washed them, and then she dried them
Over a fire of amber coal:
Never in all my life did I see
A maid so neat about the sole!

The same lines are quoted in Judgment: A Play in Two Acts by Joseph Campbell (Dublin: Maunsel & Co., Ltd., 1912), page 26.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 11:19 PM

And another path led me here:


SEA LOVE
Charlotte Mew

Tide be runnin' the great world over:
'Twas only last June month I mind that we
Was thinkin' the toss and the call in the breast of the lover
So everlastin' as the sea.

Heer's the same little fishes that sputter and swim:
Wi' the moon's old glim on the grey, wet sand;
An' him no more to me nor me to him
Than the wind goin' over my hand.

From Collected Poems by Charlotte Mew (London: Gerald Duckworth, 1953)

Also Saturday Market by Charlotte Mew (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1921), page 56.

The latter book is viewable at The Internet Archive.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: tides do be running the whole world over
From: maeve
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 09:51 AM

Nice work, Jim. Thanks for your efforts. Gordon tells me he is happy to know the source of the Charlotte Mew poem, and wishes he had known that when he recorded the song at Folk Legacy.


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