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GUEST,leeneia 10 Nov 11 - 02:58 PM
Mrrzy 10 Nov 11 - 03:49 PM
Monique 10 Nov 11 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,leeneia 10 Nov 11 - 04:33 PM
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KT 10 Nov 11 - 07:04 PM
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GUEST,leeneia 10 Nov 11 - 07:36 PM
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Genie 11 Nov 11 - 02:11 AM
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Subject: little shoemaker - timing question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:58 PM

I'm trying to make a MIDI file of the 1954 hit "The Little Shoemaker." You can hear it at this YouTube site:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijV4Z1YBsaM

I am not talented at figuring out timing. I've got all the notes, and I can even play the song on my dulcimer. But:

what time is it in?
does it change time for the refrain?
what are the pick-up notes?

I've been trying different things, but nothing seems to come out right. Can anybody listen and tell me?

(Already tried and failed to find a MIDI on the Net.)


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 03:49 PM

great song, can't answer any of the questions, sorry! Someone will, though, in fact I've likely cross-posted.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:29 PM

Leeneia, it's 4/4. midi


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:33 PM

When I try to save that 'MIDI,' Monique, it turns out to be an HTML document. Thanks for trying.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 04:36 PM

Leeneia, would you mind emailing me monique at mamalisa.com?


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: KT
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 07:04 PM

I believe it's 4/4 if it's the one I remember...I'm thinking the pick up notes would be eighths. I'll have a listen....   Aw, very first measure made me smile-goes waaaaay back.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM

You're right, the first bar is double whole rest, whole rest, two eighths. I don't understand why Leeneia couldn't download the midi at the link I posted above. I could.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 07:36 PM

Monique, with the so-called MIDI, when I right-click and select Save As, it tells me that the type is HTML document. I can't use that in Noteworthy Composer, which is my brand of music software. (It's not unusual to find the a so-called MIDI is actually HTML.)

What's the difference? I can do many things with a true MIDI. Change the key, write harmony, add a bass clef, add chords, print.

As for the time, I'll try making the first two notes pick-up notes and see what happens.

Thanks for your suggestions.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 07:57 PM

Leeneia, I asked you to email me. Please do. Not sure I'll answer right back, it's 2am here.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 08:16 PM

Ok, I got it. Leeneia, don't right-click, left-click on either the title or the button below then save the file on your computer. I did it this way and downloaded it ok.


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Subject: RE: The Little Shoemaker - time signature
From: Genie
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 02:11 AM

For the record, yes, it's in 4/4 time.   

The MIDI, however, does not play the whole chorus as it's usually sung, but only the first two lines.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Monique
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 03:17 AM

The midi plays the song as was first written in French.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 10:54 AM

Hello, Monique. I'd rather keep my Guest status at this time.

I've tried the download again, and for some reason it doesn't work. I left-clicked, and it took a long, long time. Then the doc wasn't in My Documents and couldn't be found when I did a search.

I think I'll just make it 4/4, as you say.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Genie
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 11:21 AM

Actually, the MIDI does play the full chorus. I just mis-heard it the first time.


I clicked the MIDI link (above) and at the top of that web page was this:

DOWNLOAD:
Lemarque Francis - Le Petit Cordonnier.mid

I clicked on the arrow below that, and the MIDI downloaded just fine.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Nov 11 - 10:50 PM

Yes, but are you using Windows 3.1?

Just kidding!

A benefactor who shall remain unnamed sent me a copy from a fake book. It is in 4/4 and the two first notes are quarter-note pickups.

The long notes: tapped a-waaay, all the daaaay, etc are 5 beats, crossing the bar.

Now I can sleep peacefully.


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Subject: RE: little shoemaker - timing question
From: Genie
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 04:17 AM

No, leeneia, I'm using Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard), and I use a track pad instead of a mouse. I didn't need to do the trackpad equivalent of "right clicking." I just pointed and clicked.

Yes, while the song is in 4/4, there's a good bit of syncopation, which might lend some confusion.


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